He’s not on trial for his lyrics. He’s on trial because of crimes committed and his lyrics are being used as self snitching evidence of robbery and murder. You can write about breaking into to people houses but if you actually do it and write about it then that is evidence.
But why use the Rico statue if they have evidence that he organized or committed all these so called crimes? Why bring in lyrics? Sounds like bologna to me And in my opinion this prosecutor will have to resign after she lose these cases Young Thug and Donald Trump. I seriously believe they will be found not guilty and I'm passionately not a fan of neither one.
If they can tie the lyrics to some real world events that only someone with knowledge of set events could speak about in detail, then those lyrics could presumably be used as evidence. However, the prosecution would be incredibly incompetent to only have the lyrics as the sole evidence of a crime. At best, detailed lyrics about a real world crime would only be a lead in a case, whereby they could bring in the artists for questioning about how they knew the details. So there has to be more to it than just rap lyrics.
Lol fr everyone who believe joe dumb af. He answered exactly how you gotta answer to protect himself and friends and not be a snitch on national television hahaha
Joe doesn’t seem to understand that Young Thug is not being charged for his violent lyrics. 99% of mainstream rappers have violence in their songs. Joe says so himself. He said the things he raps about aren’t real. And guess what? He’s not on trial for anything. Young Thug is being charged? Maybe because there’s evidence of actual crimes and the prosecutors are using his lyrics to bolster their case. Judges and prosecutors obviously know the difference between art and real life crimes. This has nothing to do with the first amendment.
He’s actually being charged off lyrics had you watched the first 3 days of the case they have no real evidence except lyrics and 10 year old testimony from liars and they cross examination proved they where liars …
Dumbo you fail to understand what Joe is saying. These clowns are attempting to use YT lyrics against him which they 100% cannot, that’s the whole point in artistic freedom. There is no evidence and all they have is rap which can and should never be allowed as stated. It’s like Arnold going to jail because he killed people in Terminator movie. You need to comprehend what’s happening here
Actually watch the trial den make a comment thug is absolutely being charged for his lyrics they have 0 ZERO physical evidence that thug committed any crimes besides the weed n lean
So what’s the difference between someone killing someone then running outside and screaming to the top of their lungs what they just did…. And someone running to a studio and screaming what they just did over a beat? How is one a confession and the other isn’t? Because we added some 808’s??
One is art one isnt plain and simple if a make a movie about somone getting robbed and shot and somone in my city get robbed and shot does that im guilty?
@@MrUnderdog561so just for my understanding based on what you just said… it’s considered art when it’s on a song and it’s considered a confession when it’s not a beat? But to answer your question… YES if an unsolved crime happens in your city and then a movie director makes a film detailing the same crime and law enforcement can put two and two together , YES he will be investigated and the movie would in fact be used as evidence. The same as the CURRENT situation going on now in real life… where the white guy made a whole documentary on killing his family.. then he actually did it. And law enforcement found the movie and put it all together.
The lyrics matter because the prosecution has cooperating witnesses that will corroborate the link between the lyrics and actual events. That a a jury of Atlanta citizens fed up with crime will lead to his conviction
That’s asinine when half the story is portrayal, not everything you hear is actual reality, but instead the future. You think Notorious BIG was throwing toddlers off the Brooklyn bridge or was that a story😂about his future enemy
Prosecutor's Opening line: ladies & gentlemen of the court I will prove that this young man, or should I say Young Thug committed blah blah blah. Yes this self admitted young thug did it.
@@xtrey19x oh yeah for sure but I just mean if that’s the excuse they’re going for and they actually mean what they’re saying there needs to be notices put on albums about how their lyrics are purely entertainment and not based on any reality and they aren’t condoning the behavior or something alone those lines bc these kids nowadays don’t know any better..
I’m sorry but that type of rap is not art. Art is supposed evoke change, tell a story, and evoke emotion and make the audience think to the point of discussion. Anything that’s promoting illegal activity , degrading women and themselves IS NOT ART
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Joe's reasoning is deeply flawed. Schwazenegger's movies weren't an extension of a real-life criminal enterprise. He was merely acting, Young Thug is describing the crime he does in real life.
The lyrics aren't the issue. IF that was the case, everyone in the industry would be locked up. The problem for Thug is the the lyrics verifiably speak to real crimes. YSL is one of the most violent and aggressive gangs in ATL. You can't have it both ways.
YT is free to say whatever he wants. The government is not charging him or punishing for that. But freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences, and if you cop to crimes, it is worth an investigation if you are in fact responsible. And sometimes an investigation leads to an indictment, and this is what we have. The lyrics are not the only evidence in this case, and it is not yet clear how they are going to be used. In sum: don't tell on yourself. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes, and YT won himself a RICO charge.
Joe says 95% of his music consists of untrue lyrics. Is that true? I doubt it's true for everybody. And as others have said, much more than just his lyrics is likely used as evidence.
Okay my thing is they probably find other random lyrics and try to link it to the case and that’s where I think they go overboard.. These artists also make some subliminal synonyms or just fictional claims that fit the story but in reality it’s something pretty harmless. Like dead people can just mean dollar bills or just things that could’ve been total fiction for storytelling
@@Lettheflamestakeover-co5wi Sounds like the good old boys found some more legal gymnastics to try out on someone not in their clique. How was your freedom of speech curtailed? Were there some words missing from your comment?
@@BrianMcGuirkBMG I tried to compare your judicial system to Brazil so they hide the comment, I didn’t even get a chance to read your stance. I agree that’s unrealistic and art rather
No one honestly requested any advice from the televised legal expert. What does that actually mean? You people have an “expert” and pill for everything. “Your dog died. Here, take this pill.”, expert.🤪
These rappers today are literally rapping about actual crimes committed same way this generation records themselves committing crimes on their phones then upload them on social media ... I mean its a different era from the 90s rappers and 2020s rappers. Them dudes even talking about the guys they killed to taunt their ops apparently
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:29 🎤 *Young Thug's lyrics from "Just How It Is" are being used in the RICO trial against him for racketeering and gang conspiracy charges.* 01:27 🚫 *Fat Joe criticizes using rap lyrics as evidence, emphasizing the creative nature of the art form and its potential impact on the lives of those involved.* 03:26 ⚖️ *Laura Coates explores the legal perspective, discussing the challenge of proving RICO violations and the potential clash with freedom of speech in the trial.* 05:22 🔍 *The discussion expands to address the broader impact on the rap community, highlighting the selective targeting of the genre in legal cases involving violent or criminal content.* 07:49 📑 *Fat Joe expresses concern about the case's potential negative consequences on Young Thug's life, career, and the broader implications for artists facing similar legal challenges.*
The government never charges innocent people, the people in the justice system are too good at they're jobs to ever fuck up like that, if you're going to trial it's because you did it there's no such thing as innocent until proven guilty
1A doesn't defend you against fraud and criminal intent. If he's part of a gang or group and brags in a rap about ordering someone killed WHO WAS ACTUALLY KILLED then you should probably investigate
Maybe we need to get back to a culture where lying in any form is indefensable. That would cut down on a lot of confusrion, and in cases like this save alot of young lives. If rappers rapped about their turkey dinners, rather than guns and murders, there would be a whole lot more kids focusing on nutrition and a whole lot less kids getting shot up. Use it as evidence. Thats your word wether in a song or not. If you cant be trusted w your music to make it creative AND truthful, why should we trust u in court ? Seriously!
They should 100% use them when they are 100% facts of what took place. Use them, use them, and continue to use them, if things take place and they are brave enough to put those relevant in a matter that took place!
Everyone who think joe is telling the truth here is naive. Yall think he gonna go on national television and snitch on all rappers and himself? Lol. Think about it for a second. He took the cnn paycheck thats it.
Who ever is in charge of the world, you better start understanding where art is today. It is screaming the horrors of corruption out loud. The people are fed up.
The judge presiding over the trial of rapper Young Thug, who is facing gang-related charges in Atlanta, Georgia, ruled Thursday that rap lyrics can be admitted by prosecutors as evidence in this case on a conditional basis. Judge Ural Glanville ruled that 17 sets of lyrics mentioned in the indictment - lines that are performed by Young Thug and other co-defendants in this case - can be preliminarily admitted in the trial, denying a motion filed by Young Thug's attorney last December arguing against the use of lyrics in the sweeping RICO indictment.
The judge added that if prosecutors intend to include additional lyrics as part of the alleged evidence in this case, they can be submitted for the judge's review before the trial begins later this month.
The judge's decision comes one day after attorneys for Young Thug and two other co-defendants argued that the use of lyrics as alleged evidence, in this case, violates the artist's freedom of speech and effectively denies rap music the status of art. Brian Steel, the attorney for Young Thug whose legal name is Jeffrey Lamar Williams, argued during a late night hearing on Wednesday that lyrics are a form of artistic expression and should not be used as evidence of an individual's true state of mind. He also said that not all lyrics performed by Young Thug were even written by the artist himself.
Young Thug was among 28 individuals named in this indictment who are allegedly associated with the Atlanta-based Young Slime Life (YSL) - a gang that prosecutors allege Young Thug founded in 2012. But YSL, which is also the acronym for "Young Stoner Life," is the name of the rapper's label - an imprint of 300 Entertainment. The label is not named in the indictment. Lyrics were listed in the indictment as part of the alleged evidence. While the use of rap lyrics as evidence in criminal proceedings is common in the U.S., it is a controversial practice that has gained national attention through this case largely due to the star power of Young Thug. Young Thug was initially charged with one count each of conspiring to violate the state's Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act and participating in criminal street gang activity, and was later charged with an additional count of participating in street gang activity, three counts of violating the Georgia controlled substances act, possession of a firearm while committing a felony and possession of a machine gun.
After 10 months of jury selection, Glanville seated a jury last week and Steel told ABC News that the trial, which is expected to last for a year, is set to begin with opening arguments on Nov. 27.
