Legend of Zelda Tears of the Kingdom Performance: Portable Play, Overclocking, Pre-Patch Code! 

Right? He seems just as eloquent and knowledgeable, it was a treat listening to those two.

​@@JanLe82 eloquent? Mvg? Carn mate

The guy deserves legend title; a great portfolio up to his active presence on RU-vid to now, and knows his stuff. Great to see him on DF to discuss the bananas with TotK perf. I have a lot fo respect for the guy.

Yeah except he thinks men can be women and vice versa.

@@nalong55 Holy shit dude, who cares?

Which is of course very relevant to console homebrew and emulator development.

@@l-Jeremy Legend? What does he do?

Yeah I am enjoying the game quite a lot, it's very good but I keep having this nagging thought in the back of my head wondering what it could be like if they had more powerful hardware to work with.

@@anonony9081 I'm fine with what we have on the switch, I often think how on earth the managed to pull it off whilst playing. But imagine what they coud do with the power of let's say a ps5, GOOD LORD

@@anonony9081 the shrines feel like they really wanted to do the Ratchet and Clank thing and just have you walk in with zero loading screens, but obviously couldn't because of the hardware.

​@@sup3rAVATARtlafAN They'd probably spend more time trying to hit the fidelity people expect from PS5 hardware at the expense of the game itself

Nah there's definitely loading hiccups if you go too fast.

I think it would have been nice if in dock mode, you have the choice to overclock, since that’s a time where the switch is always supplied with power, and you would want the best performance on big screen. I know dock mode uses more power anyways, but the addition of overclock would be nice

Legend? What does he do?

@@Playerz714 he is a 50 year old beta these gammas suck up to. apparently anyone is a legend these days by other someone else's tools MVG used the system overclock homebrew tool and these morons are referring him as a " L E G E N D "

@@Playerz714 He is an developer that uses his experience to make easy to understand videos about console security, game porting and offers some interesting insights. Don't listen to Unregistered007, he has no idea what he is talking about. Especially since MVG developed quite a few hombrews himself.

@@Unregistered007 Actually he used to be active in the console hacking scene himself back in the OG XBox days iirc making such tools available to people.

@@Unregistered007 someone with a cat as profile pic and 007 in there handle referring to others as beta. hahahaha

Are Mariko switch moddable btw?

@@manojlds any switch can be hardmodded, it's just softmods that only work on pre-2018 Switches right now

@@manojlds Needs a modchip to get into recovery mode

Yes Mariko can run 720 at 60 FPS and even more !!! Overclock is crazy with 4ifir in Mariko

I agree. Not all open world games have to be like Zelda or Elden Ring, as in structure and gameplay, but they should try to step out of the traditional open-world formula that's been reused to death over the last two console generations. It's like the devs are afraid that you'll miss out on some content, so they all crowd a map and a mission log instead.

fully agree

Yeah Horizon is incredibly difficult to enjoy after something like BoTW or Elden Ring.

But this is ubisoft tier junk, just because a Japanese developer did it slightly differently doesn't mean that it escapes the open world fatigue of any other game.

@@traxtan6694 you clearly haven’t played the games. Nowhere near Ubisoft tier

Hmm i haven't noticed that? Just me usually falling trying to walk along the branches

😂 Used to love Ray Mears

Agreed for me It's about the presentation than a pixel count and fps.

You’ve summed it up exactly how I feel about it. Somehow greater then the sum of it’s parts. If you haven’t played this game people, you’re missing out.

Agreed. People nowadays get too hung up on the technical numbers but both Zelda games as well as all of the Xenoblade games are easily some of the most awe inspiring and jaw droppingly gorgeous games of any current console.

Didnt impress like Botw did 6 years ago. Next Zelda really needs to be somthing different and not botw 3

That's where stylised visuals overtake photorealism. Where people often rhink only realistic visuals equal good graphics, will stylised visuals make me want to take it all in rather than take a quick look at it and think: "I can see this if I walk out the door"

What do you mean? MVG has done a few things with DF before, they're a good team.

I naïvely expected that MVG and Digital Foundry would cross paths only once, but they have now done so twice.

All they care about these days are the Polish 🇵🇱

if running at barely 30 on base console is "polish" idk what finished means to them. probably one of the worst performing games of the year ngl.

@bruh Jelly much?

@@bruh-yu8zo beautiful goty 2023

Main issue is thermals (older Switches have very old thermal paste that the end-users have most likely not replaced) and the fact that at full power (which is only possible to do docked because an uncapped SoC can and often does damage the Switch battery) the fans ramp up to 100%, which is VERY audible, and the system can even thermal throttle if for any reason it still isn't capable of hitting the target framerate for a long period of time. This mostly applies to my personal experience with a 2017 model, though. Mariko likely reaches its limits much further, but it's also much harder to mod. Besides, if they increase the clocks for Mariko systems, devs will still be pushing against the edge of the new clocks and optimize less aggressively, so performance-wise, we'll be back where we started.

yea they should up the clocks at least a little. ive been running max CPU clocks speed for my modded switch to play the zelda mod Relics of the Past bc the creator told me its basically manditory... had no issues so far with my that 2017 switch so far as ive had it since launch i was playing max speeds for 4-5 hours for that game too and completed it. system still runs great.

No, it can’t. Raising the clock speed of CPU and RAM usually goes well but in most games, overclocking especially the GPU over the docked speed of 768MHz brings the Switch cooling to it’s knees. I only overclocking it for handheld gaming when plugged it, so I can overclock the GPU to docked mode while playing undocked. I don’t live in a very hot part of the world and in summer I got an AC, so I don’t want to know what would go on in genuinely hot places like South America or the Arab countries.

@@Nu_Merick Yeah, overclock of the Switch CPU and GPU is actually a bit of a misnomer... Memory OC notwithstanding, The Tegra X1 supports those clocks officially, and runs at those same speeds on the NVIDIA SHIELD TV, which came before the Switch. Nintendo took that SoC and nerfed it so that it doesn't absolutely nuke the thermals, the battery life and its lifespan. And then to ensure devs don't program for docked they kept the CPU underclock in docked mode, and they tightly control the conditions on which devs are allowed to raise the CPU clocks at the OS level (the fast-loading profile offered by the Switch SDK both raises the CPU to 1785 MHz and underclocks the GPU all the way down to 76.8 MHz, a tenth of the usual docked mode speed, making it impossible for developers to use it for anything other than loading screens). Homebrew alone (sys-clk) can't actually push the system beyond the original SoC capabilities. You need homebrew and firmware patches to do that (sys-clk-OC). Fun fact: Nintendo's firmware has no concept of load-based dynamic frequency scaling. The clock profiles are chosen based on dock/charging status, and whatever power mode the software requests, but after that, the clocks stay at the set frequency and do not change regardless of CPU/GPU usage. Most modern OSes have a frequency governor that reduces clockspeeds when usage is low and raises them back up when usage is high. The Switch firmware lacks this. sys-clk-OC features a homebrew governor that allows further, automatic battery savings when playing lightweight games at almost no performance cost. I also use it to instantly figure out what clockspeeds a game needs to run perfectly, since if I raise the clocks beyond what's actually necessary, the governor will bring them back down to the optimal levels for me, and then I set the profile accordingly. This also allows me to run games with maxed out clock profiles without actually using those maxed out clocks most of the time, only when necessary, which is great for, y'know, not destroying my console. I still keep GPU clocks mostly stock because many games will happily increase dynamic resolution and LOD levels beyond stock if they find the room for it, and GPU is the most power-hungry component on the system by a long shot. This results in behavior comparable to Intel Turbo Boost on PCs, and many games that usually struggle on Switch never miss a frame. I don't get enough headroom to start applying emulator enhancement patches, but at least the games hit their original targets perfectly. On Mariko you may be able to overclock some games beyond their original targets and start pushing for 1080p60 using the same game patches that people design for emulators. I don't own a modded Mariko Switch to try and find out for myself.

I do wish they'd have a least upped the clocks ever so slightly for the Mariko/OLED switches, my launch switch would get pretty hot in docked mode playing something like Smash but my OLED stays pretty cool almost all the time, in portable mode I can't even tell if the fan is running.

After playing on my switch for a few days, I decided to try emulating for the first time. It took me a bit to learn how to do it all, but getting consistent 50-60 fps with dips to 35ish in those couple of rough areas, a 1440p resolution, and a little bit of reshade magic changed the entire game for me. It was a dramatic change and really showcased how pretty the game is. I really believe that this game is being held back by the current switch now.

@@dietadam2295 "reshade magic" means you've changed the entire presentation of the game and your opinion on whether the game is pretty or not, no longer has any relevance to 99.9% of people

Absolutely, it has to be seen on a big screen whether you have the OLED version or not.

Playing it on an LG C2 with motion smoothing on, feels like 60fps. No idea if you have access to a TV with frame interpolation/motion smoothing but it vastly improves the experience. Made me decide not to bother emulating it.

>FSR upscaled noisy sub 900p video quality with Wii U quality textures and graphics >most aesthetically pleasing games I've ever played. I will never understand Nintendo fantatics, emulated it at 4k pre any 60fps patch and I'd say BOTW on CEMU looks better simply because you can increase draw distance for enemies, foilage and all that stuff, though that will probably also be available in the future for TOTK.

I use 4ifir too. When you say optimized overclock. What speed do you set it at for cpu gpu ram? I thought governors enable gave glitching/problems?

Yesterday I saw the 4IFIR developer post here and his comment had a lot of upvotes and a long thread of replies, but now I see the comment is no longer there. What the hell?

@@ThereisNOpandemicWAKEUP cpu 1428, gpu 844, mem 2666

governors did not cause problems

@@Overonator The comment was deleted, I don't know why, but someone doesn't want 4IFIR to become more popular. The main thing is that the comment has already served its purpose - it was noticed

here's the secret.. IT EXISTS

MVG is a clown who didn't stick up for his colleague who was unfairly fired from LRG for having differing political views.

​@@jcnba28 Link or didn't happen

@@jcnba28 explain

@@vSoulreaver Look up Kara Lynne

​@@jcnba28 just read up on it. That's wild. It's not even that she said anything but just happened to follow some Twitter accounts.

MVG is a clown who didn't stick up for his colleague who was unfairly fired from LRG for having differing political views.

@@jcnba28 So he’s a clown for prioritizing his own career/job and stability for his family over trying to protect someone else? I get the ideology, but it’s not practical to push defending coworkers and politics over your own family. Stupid take.

@theBio_ but MVG is a more prominent/influential individual and could've actually made a difference had he stepped up. If everybody stays cowardly quiet including more prominent people like MVG, then this type of workplace abuse will go unnoticed or without consequence...

@@craigsampson3386 I don’t disagree, but again.. you’re also asking for someone to potentially suicide bomb their entire career and the stability of their family for the sake of a movement. It’s not exactly wise or fair to gauge someone on whether or not they’re willing to risk everything for the sake of taking a stand. Would you risk stability, and seeing your family out in the streets for the sake of taking a stand? Would you risk decades worth of work and resume building for another, and ruin everything you’ve had? I’m sure you wouldn’t. Especially not in this climate with social media. It could have escalated to a point where he was blacklisted and not hired anywhere. Let’s stop being intellectually dishonest here.

Still nobody explained what this is about.

By the time Nintendo servers shut down, Switch emulation will be advanced enough to run it at 60 fps on the Steam Deck

THIS. replaced the thermal paste of my switch and the difference is pretty notorious when u have it modded and can see the numbers

Same

lol....or its just shit

I also remember that the 2017 switch have LPDDR4 while Mariko and oled have LPDDR4X, and that difference might of helped.

The switch is just garbage pathetic hardware it was when it came out and is even more now it’s aged terrible lol

yeh, you do climatise to the graphics....i was like ick when i first switched in on.

The game chugs all the time even with the patch

@@Phade101 yeah haha. My initial reaction was "I don't think I can play this on Switch, it's like going back and playing a N64 game today" But my experience definitely improved over time and it really is graphically impressive on the switch. It has its heavy limitations but they balanced things graphically as good as humanly possible on that system.

​@@Phade101 I'm usually very picky about low resolution and aliasing, but after like a couple minutes playing, I just get absorbed into the game and world.

If this game was made for PS5 it would look like horizon i bet be far better the switch is trash but the games great

It’s better on the big screen i play it docked on a 50inch Samsung 4K hdr tv i can’t play it in handheld after the screen looks blurry lol i know the switch doesn’t put out 4K but the tv makes the game look so much cleaner

@@ot9523 in this case it's a matter of taste

Same! 70 hours played on the lite and still going, so much to discover.

I can consistently cause the game to freeze while it loads by diving in the the underground.

Yeah, I also ran into that. Thought it was going to crash, but it managed not to. Only other major issues I've had is that the temple around the 5th sage chugs HARD with Ultrahand on.

10 seconds? Is that an exaggeration? I've gone from sky islands to a chasm with a dragon exiting or entering a couple times, and while it's hitched once or twice, it was like half a second.

@@TheNekromantique I did shoot the dragon while I was going down and the item clipped on the chasm before going all the way down the tunnel. It mostly paused when I zoomed upwards with the paraglider and was looking at the holes entrance. Maybe it was the angle and positioning? Maybe the chasm location itself was also the culprit? Docked or undocked? (I was playing in handheld) Dunno, there's many what ifs to understand "bugs" like these, especially when a game is as massive as this one with different weather, monsters on the screen, etc.

That's why the underground is designed the way it is - pitch black and certain areas only light up (enter memory) in small bits at a time. What's pitch black isn't loaded, which is a very smart design choice and fitting for an underground world.

FSR makes it look cleaner

Dude this game is fun but runs like dog water

Breath of the Wild was designed with the Wii U in mind, and just given a resolution bump on the Switch; I'd guess Tears of the Kingdom is updated to better take advantage of the extra hardware features offered by the Switch's GPU.

From their tech analysis the only thing graphically improved was slightly higher res shadows, doubled the LoD distance for objects and use FSR 1.0 to sharpen up the image a lil to make the fine details stand out more from the 900p resolution.

@@Jean-jk4zv FSR makes it look worse, I can't stop seeing that weird ringing effect it introduces around objects. Especially ladders. Every time I see a ladder I wish I could go into the options and turn FSR off.

Do you think it would be possible for Nintendo to somehow write the patches directly on their carts? Or is this just wishful thinking?

@@juantiscareno3124 Switch cards aren't writable by the system itself unfortunately.

The transparency drops are definitely the biggest issue I'm noticing too. This is why Mario Odyssey uses that dithering effect instead, to maintain 60.

yeah botw had this too, the trees always lag, i feel like they shouldve just left the leafs normal or fade the out completele while your on the trees.

lol you must not have much to compare to then.

You're right. I get that it's basically DF's job to pick things apart in this kind of granular detail, but someone buying this game and never patching it are still going to think it's the smoothest console experience they're likely to see comparing it to any AAA game on the other consoles.

​@@xBINARYGODx nah I know what he means. You can tell when it drops frames but it still feels really responsive

Hmm interesting

I just played breath of the wild Wii U and there is ZERO locking up, but I played patch 1.5. It was great. Tears the of the kingdom unpatched 1.0 does the lock up

@@liamflan9553 Breath of the wild does have lock up on Wii U under intense conditions. It has been observed by multiple people and myself. It's not guaranteed to happen, but it very much can. It was lessened with patches but still exists. An easy way to trigger it is by fighting large groups of enemies in very busy regions like Faron. It's also happened in very simple conditions like fighting a single moblin and knocking it down triggering the lock up.

BOTW does lock up like that on Switch too, but notably it's if you manage to get Link to move beyond a 'reasonable' speed; the game will freeze for a short while presumably as the game's streaming system tries to catch up - pretty common in speedruns. It's probably the same sort of thing manifesting in TOTK too but realistically most people are never going to see it with the speeds you need.

It does not man, stop bro. It does not. It has NEVER locked up like tears does on switch. Stop spreading this. I played it for over 200 hours. Not once has it ever locked up, fps drops yes. But where the screen freezes? Never, never man.

But how much to build a PC, get the emulator. Get the rom. fiddle with the setting. Don't forget to make sure your monitor is a high refresh rate 4K display. Just to play the game in true 4K 60 FPS vs 350 for an OLED switch that's also portable. I also have a fairly expensive rig for things but I do like playing on the go with the Switch. Unless I want to buy one of those newer portable gaming handhelds

​@@Excalibur01 you don't need a high refresh rate monitor for switch emulation

@@-aexc- True but you're gonna have to spend more money than a Switch and copy of the game play it "better"

@@Excalibur01 no, I'm not arguing that is better to buy a PC. Just saying that the game looks really good when playing in 4k and 60 fps, so Nintendo don't need a very powerful console to make super realistic graphics,if Nintendo figure out how to make it run better and a higher resolution, that will already be enough, and it doesn't need to be a ver expensive console as well, cause if I can emulate a the game well on a 600 dollars pc, they can make a good console for 400 bucks.

@@Luizanimado They COULD have but the current excuse is still "because of virus, chip shortage, etc"

Elden Ring happened. They went back and redesigned, added cave systems, etc.

@@kastaway-m4x Sauce?

@@kastaway-m4x Don't come on here spreading misinformation. They spent the whole year polishing up the game and making sure their physics engine was working properly. No need to spread this false narrative.

I'm still wondering what they spent the other 5 years doing

@@kastaway-m4x Do you really think you can add caves and/or the undeground in one year AFTER finishing up the game? You dont seem to know very much about game developing To make it short, this scenario is simply IMPOSSIBLE

Agreed the tv setting is gold for this

@@toxiccylon Indeed. It even increases the resolution

@Fraktux: Really? Ok thanks let me try that setting.

@@Chasm9 Agreed. I used to do the same when I had an old LG TV that had horrific latency anyway, but once I got a modern one with good latency the hit from enabling trumotion was just unplayable.

Never

Absolutely not. That would go against everything Nintendo stands for.

😢

they would never do that. Never give idiots the tools to potential dmg the system

This might take a while. Just patching it once will do the trick.

​@@frankjoz2803 since op mentioned preservation, his goal is precisely to not rely on patching. Not even once. Because once Big N close its server you cannot patch. Not even once 😉

​@@etienne1062 once they take down their servers just back your switch on the system storage, no more risk of being banned

@@-aexc- what if your switch fails/breaks ? What if you don't want to/can't hack your switch ? I don't know why you need to find a solution when what OP suggested is not problematic in the first place. He's willing to wait for a patched cartridge, there's nothing wrong about that. On top of that what you suggest has clear disadvantages as I just said.

@@etienne1062 by the time that happens the system will be cracked wide open. It’s already all preserved, anybody claiming to wait for preservation is high on copium.

Well and what about temps? Is the Switch burning after playing for some hours? I have a mariko Switch but never tried homebrew. Since ps5 + new PC with @ 4080 its hard for me to Play on that console anymore...

​@@McCroud for me it's ~60°C on SOC in Kakariko with Ultrahand activated on full overclocked Mariko. Other info: FSR disabled, 900p, docked, CPU 2.4GHz, GPU 1305MHz, RAM 2400 Stayed for a good ~5 mins, now it's 63°C (not that hot like when I've played Immortals on Lite)

@@McCroud First there was an Erista that had pretty good thermal reserve overhead. Then Mariko came out with which consumes about 1,5 times less power and generating 1,5 times less heat in the process while having everything else in the same way as Erista did. This way Mariko has an extreme thermal reserve and is perfect for overclocking. Not sure about Erista + extreme overclocking.

Trouble is then the gap between their console version and the PC version would be huge. Its not a problem with Sony as the games largely look and play the same, especially as they port to their current-gen console at the same time long after they stopped selling the game for its original platform.

It wouldn’t be any different if the hardware isn’t any better lol Nintendo will never put out powerful hardware they just get the cheapest stuff and sell it for more

The 13 pro is that low huh? Thats the same as sd855 but its a lot slower.

The 14 Pro uses LPDDR5 RAM with a max bandwidth of 51.2GB/s, so their current pro gen devices made some big improvements there.

Everyone getting ready for showcase

more of an expansion of botw than a new zelda experience

problem is tho that switch image quality looks like ass on a 4k tv even if the display is better

@@dante19890 looks good on my 4K Samsung. Just turn of all image sharpening and it’s great!

@@5punkybob It might look acceptable to u but I've seen switch on many tvs and the TV's that look the best with it are 1080p displays

For some reason, the comment was hidden, and now only I can see it. I hope it's RU-vid's algorithms that are weird, not the channel's authors :(

@@Lachesis3D that sucks!