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Legnds of Golf: Bobby Jones 

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In this golf swing analysis, we see how Bobby's golf swing differs from the modern day golf swing.
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@cloudsrain8753
@cloudsrain8753 Год назад
Very well done. About 2 yrs ago, I started emulating his swing and never looked back for me. Other instructors say I hit it too hard, but now I can using my body in the swing. You are on the right track and I did enjoy your analysis, and style. Thank you too. cheers.
@99headcase
@99headcase 2 месяца назад
Swings great but analysis is matched in perfection by the great Wayne Defrancesco.
@schlepplifthasser
@schlepplifthasser 4 дня назад
Thanx for the analysis. Because of the great rhythm of bobbys swing i tried to copy it. In my analysis i found a very important detail which i didnt hear in any analysis on RU-vid. Its the left wrist! Look how much he cupped it in the backswing! His clubface is completely open at this time. In the downswing he will bow the wrist as hard as he can. Thats the reason why he can swing directly to the ball without dropping the hands. This bowing-move drops the Club inside. Also it closes the clubface. He also times the bowing move perfectly with his rotation. With this move you get a powerfull contact, nice rhythm and a good way to put the Club on plane. The problem is: when you rotate in the downswing to slow youre ball will go left of left 😂 Try it out. It feels very easy to create a lot of Power! Turn freely and do this cupping-bowing-move. I think thats also a very good way to create clubspeed and good contact!
@jeffreylardizabal3964
@jeffreylardizabal3964 4 года назад
Poetry in motion, freedom of movement, relaxed, balanced, and totally powerful as a whip, but I doubt he injured himself as so many golfers nowadays do. I started athletics in baseball and totally incorporate the heel lifting actions of Jones and believe teaching his method of hitting could greatly reduce modern golfer's injuries, as well as improve their game, no matter what level they're playing.
@DASH1ful
@DASH1ful 10 лет назад
excellent analysis. he presses down with the left side of his head at the top of his down-swing. and it is this that moves his head down. but crucially, also, he uses the position of his right elbow to get his hands well behind his head the top. his right elbow is used as a pivot to arc his swing around. in the take-away he allows his right elbow to stick out. this places his elbow way inside the line. from there he flexes his right arm back. one moment his elbow is pointing out the next it is under his hands. i do think that bobby jones' swing is in many ways the future of the game. we have not not learned as much as we should have from jones and armour's swing. the modern day method of extending the arms straight back causes the back-swing to lock up. and the new idea of keeping the club outside the hands, to prevent the wrists twisting round, makes the back-swing even steeper. thank goodness for these old videos. coaches tell us that there are no short cuts to success, but modern day methods are setting up a road block
@justinwelch6240
@justinwelch6240 7 лет назад
Love the heel off the ground what a wonderful golf swing
@FaceTheFactsNews
@FaceTheFactsNews 6 лет назад
the lifted left heel is a lost art now a days I lift the left heel I even teach this as the right way to freely rotate at the start of the downswing the heel comes down weight shifts and the result a powerful yet free movement strike I wish other teachers of today would teach it
@AmmoDude
@AmmoDude 2 года назад
A great example of the concept of "throwing" the clubhead at the ball, using the shaft as an extension of his arms with creates incredible speed at the clubhead, vs "hitting" with the entire club; same type of movement that a pitcher in baseball uses to throw with a sidearm action. It's a graceful and athletic movement vs a mechanical step-by-step procedure. Thanks for posting the video. IMHO, a book is a terrible way to learn an athletic movement. If only RU-vid was available when I started playing 40 years ago.....
@ThatsJoeDirt
@ThatsJoeDirt 9 лет назад
Imagine how long of a boat ride it took for these golfers to travel to and from the British open and other European golf tournaments yearly back then
@LeftyGolfer1000
@LeftyGolfer1000 12 лет назад
Wayne, thanks for this analysis. I really like the point you make at 12:15 about the "misunderstood" move. Also, Bobby's swing seems much more loose with much less tension than many people nowadays. I bet many mid to high handicappers would do themselves well to work on a more free and tensionless swing like this. Thanks.
@jakeluna1888
@jakeluna1888 5 лет назад
He has a lovely down and back movement with the head on the downswing, just like the Seve swing you looked at.
@bobyeager9615
@bobyeager9615 10 лет назад
Great demonstration Wayne, thanks you.
@DASH1ful
@DASH1ful 4 месяца назад
Well, you have to look at his swing arc to truly discern the treasure that nature bestowed upon him, as his old swing coach might say. And, the key to his arc was that his long arms cut him a lot of slack and enabled him to bend his right elbow out at address and move it back in the direction that it pointed. This moved the club back very much on the inside. He then fully extended the extensors in his left hand, taking the club back as far on the inside as he could. When a player does this it then makes the wrists cup. For all the world he appears to bow his left wrist and then cup it. But, this would be virtually impossible. Extensor extension may seem very similar to wrist bow; but, it is very different. The loop at the top was just simply borne out of the fact that he pressed the index finger of his left hand towards the thumb pad of his right hand, to start his downswing.
@sonofkingjames1
@sonofkingjames1 9 лет назад
Love your analysis and I think your right on.
@FredCDobbs-er4qd
@FredCDobbs-er4qd 6 лет назад
A golfer can improve just by watching Jones' rhythm and tempo. The swing is all one movement and is not done in parts. It blends into itself with no hint of step one, step two, step three... I have always thought that it was the easiest movement to get a feel for.
@whetedge
@whetedge 7 лет назад
Hands and arms for the first 2 feet of take away (not referring to club drag) is perfectly keeping the triangle on it's plane, club face square to it's path. That's exactly the motion Jones employed for sand and pitch shots, and with dead accuracy. Interesting that he almost completed his torso rotation prior to any raising of the arms off the rib cage.
@jetviser
@jetviser 10 лет назад
the most remarkable part of jones's approach relates to how he keeps the club outside his hands while swinging back inside and deep. if he doesn't lag the handle on the takeaway and cup his wrists significantly, we'd never have heard of him.
@scottsanders2641
@scottsanders2641 10 лет назад
went and pulled my old Whippy Tempomaster out of the closet and tried to swing it without stressing the shaft. Once I figured out that I needed to slow down the transition and create the speed at the bottom, I was puring it..... Cool to see from Wayne's analysis that Jones did not roll over the wrist's through impact and pivot stall, but actually let his rotation square up the face as he swung left.
@ag358
@ag358 5 лет назад
Harvey penick said a great swing squares the club automatically Bobby certainly had a great swing
@ElvisPriscillaPresley
@ElvisPriscillaPresley 6 лет назад
One of the best golf swings ever. It has never been replicated by any pro golfer, simply because todays modern teachers know everything, yet know nothing. They think they are Gods answer to some hidden secret that no-one can find. Mr Jones swing/setup will never give you back problems, unlike the 68% of pros in the physio bus. Look at where he is in his BS when the club is parallel to the ground @9:51....compared to what is taught today. A golf swing of elegance.
@bobt5778
@bobt5778 6 лет назад
Good points. Jones says in his video that he turns freely on his hips. He's not twisting his spine into a helix of DNA! But the wooden shafts had to be swung with grace and smoothness because they probably twisted and flexed all over the place! I start my swing with a little twist of the hips to this day like my dad told me in the late 60's!
@ag358
@ag358 6 лет назад
Bob T I had a set that was pretty close to what they used. He actually cou lk d have used steel as it was around just preferring wood. What is interesting if you swing with the same tempo with steel you hit the ball farther. It's been estimated Jones with that swing with today's equipment could have hit 425 yard drives accurately
@rodneychristian9834
@rodneychristian9834 Год назад
Isn't the shaft flex on the take away an illusion because of the camera and film of the Era?
@georgesmith4639
@georgesmith4639 6 лет назад
I heard one Jones expert say that Jones didnt have a lot of flexibility in his spine and as a result he had to turn his hips nearly 90 degrees in order to turn his left shoulder 90 degrees (under his chin). It's a great swing if you have the balance and talent to pull it off but it's very hard to bring all those moving parts back to square at impact.
@ag358
@ag358 6 лет назад
George Smith not true
@GolfGem
@GolfGem 10 лет назад
Wayne I would say that Bubba is one of the only modern day guys that has that type of hip motion. (more than 90 that is at the top of backswing)
@linxMuppet
@linxMuppet 9 лет назад
FYI, jones and hogan routinely curb stomped hogan. In fact Nelson was said to be whipping hogan in practice rounds well into his 60s playing less than 5 times a year...
@ag358
@ag358 6 лет назад
linxMuppet not sure who was curb stomping who but Jones retired in 1930 was 10 years older then Nelson and Hogan. Jones was the best ballstriker I've seen on video. He would go months between majors without touching a Club then go and win it. Best win percentage in majors of any player of any era
@WhittierStables
@WhittierStables 5 лет назад
@@ag358 I call BS. his family were members of East Lake Country Club. He was playing...he just wasn't overplaying and, so, avoided getting hurt. Jack Nicklaus did not practice nearly as much as others and that contributed to his longevity. Some players thrive on practice, other don't need it as much. TALENT: Jack Nicklaus & Bobby Jones, HARDWORK: Ben Hogan, Lee Trevino, and Gary Player
@ag358
@ag358 5 лет назад
@@WhittierStables i believe in Jones's integrity, others had witnessed and Jones had agreed during his championship runs, there were times between championships he never touched a club. I believe him and dozens of other contemporaries. He never viewed golf as his no. 1 accomplishments. He believed family first , work, golf. I believe had he practiced more , he would have won more than 13 majors by the age of 28. In which he retired. Pure genius , as was jack. 18 majors with what 19 second place finishes. Wow.
@sparkdog44
@sparkdog44 2 года назад
Interesting. Look at the feet only. The feet are not both flat on the ground very much throughout the swing. They match in action, back and through. As his left foot heel returns to the ground, the right heel starts to come up.The swing starts and ends from the feet up. Just like throwing baseball, the motion starts from the feet up.
@nickm.9726
@nickm.9726 4 года назад
The restricted hip turn requires extraordinary strength to get power, whereas a free hip turn creates twice the power with significantly less effort.
@ag358
@ag358 6 лет назад
Bubba Watson has huge hip turn as much as Bobby. Bubba jack Bobby all high front heels. All could bomb it in any era
@edwardj3070
@edwardj3070 Год назад
jones spoke in such weird diction in that series he did in 1931. strange even for the period, i think
@jardinesydney9447
@jardinesydney9447 3 года назад
I was trying to see what started first in takeaway.Jackie Burke says lower body starts backswing and he doesn.t agree with modern teaching neither do I,maybe i,m old fashioned but i think the old way of swinging was best.S/J.
@darcyandgary
@darcyandgary 9 лет назад
This is what Jim McLean calls the "reverse slot" swing. Jones loops the club to the inside and then comes over the top to hit the ball. The opposite of what we usually see. Jones, however, still manages to hit the ball from the inside. This analysis does not explain HOW he does that. Neither does McLean by the way. Bruce Lietzke had the same type of reverse slot swing but cut the ball. How do you draw it? In other words, how does one swing in this reverse slot pattern and still hit the ball from the inside?
@wodenoftheangles3339
@wodenoftheangles3339 5 лет назад
I swing exactly like Mr Jones did; when I want to draw it I have to come back off the ball (takeaway) even MORE inside than normal. Conversely, if I want to cut the ball I take it back less to the inside (but still a touch more inside than what modern golf instruction insists upon.. lol). For me, the inside move syncs the hip-turn with the arms and creates a tremendous sense of 'free space/room' at the top from which to just rotate, uncoil and unleash through the ball..!
@Thegooob95
@Thegooob95 3 года назад
There’s a video on RU-vid of Jones explaining how he shapes shots. Freaking gold mine of material
@DASH1ful
@DASH1ful 4 месяца назад
Well, the loop from the top is not actually an over the top move, or even a move, as such. He starts his downswing by pressing the index finger side of his left hand towards the thumb pad of his right hand. But, his inside move in the takeaway was greatly assisted by his long arms. This meant that his right elbow stuck out at adress, which enabled his elbow to move back in the direction it pointed. He then fully extended the extensors in his left hand whilst taking club back as much on the inside as he could. This then caused his left wrist to cup. Without a doubt jones had the most complexed swing in the history of the game. And, really you can only copy his exact method if you are of the same physique as him. But, one big takeaway from Jones is his extensor extension and a fusion of the hands at the top.
@williamreichert4798
@williamreichert4798 7 лет назад
Something you missed. On the back swing his weight goes to the outside of the right foot. This allows him to engage his feet in the transition. The right foot rolls to the inside rather than having the heel lift up early.Moving the weight to the outside of the right foot encourages this rolling move. This move is regarded today as totally wrong. I believe that may be a mistake.
@A-FrameWedge
@A-FrameWedge 6 лет назад
William Reichert That roll of the right foot to the outside of the foot on the backswing was taught by Alex Morrison one of the great teachers but that roll to the outside of the right foot was an idiosyncrasy of his teaching, that was not really taught by anyone else that I know. Jack Nicklaus’s teacher Jack Grout was a disciple of Alex Morrison but did not teach to move the weight outside of right foot.
@CaptainAndrewWiggins
@CaptainAndrewWiggins 11 лет назад
woooooooooooow bobby goes waaaaaaaaay across the line. way across. i wonder how he manages not to hook it off the planet.
@woodman6176
@woodman6176 5 лет назад
CaptainAndrewWiggins he waits long enough to get the shaft back on plane....all swing great release no flip
@saverioman
@saverioman 7 лет назад
Other than the giant hip turn, Bobby Jones has the classic one-plane Jim Hardy teaches.
@ag358
@ag358 6 лет назад
saverioman takes the club inside with hips then returns a little steeper but still inside the ball. Two planes had that swing from 1910 thru 1948
@wodenoftheangles3339
@wodenoftheangles3339 5 лет назад
@@ag358 the inside move is out of vogue these days but a lot of the all-time best golfers to have played the game did it.. Bobby Jones, Sam Snead, Bruce Lietzke, John Daly, and many more, even Nicklaus had a hint of it. I estimate around 20% of players who ever pick up a club should take it inside and 'over' rather than out and 'under', but they are taught that an inside move off the ball is a no-no.. so those 20% or so are left to stumble around in golf instruction darkness from pillar to post..
@nobuhikoseki
@nobuhikoseki 12 лет назад
do not tick move the video so often. it is really nerving.
@Darkcloud9071
@Darkcloud9071 12 лет назад
Ben hogan's swing was a lot nicer huh? Probably why you accomplished more than bobby?
@ag358
@ag358 6 лет назад
Mini Mog 13 majors for Bobby and only grand slam winner 1930 retired at age 28. Huh. What a dumbass
@blackie75
@blackie75 12 лет назад
yet another great swing ridiculously dissected by pontificating bafoons........in a lot of ways video has set the golf swing back 100 years
@rclarkrep100
@rclarkrep100 8 лет назад
Yawn..
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