Lennox vs Atkins - Can science explain everything? (Official debate video) 

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Agreed! Lennox is extremely patient and has character. Adkins wreaks of bitterness and loneliness. I actually pity him.

I like how Atkins thinks. it’s not “rather”, I would be honored to have him as a neighbor, or someone like him 😝

@William Gruff Your last name is very fitting.

I wonder if by "evidence" Atkins means tangible proof? There are things that are not tangible like the number 1 or 2 and so on. They exist only as constructs perceived within the mind yet are objectively real; immutable and imperishable. I suspect they were there even before the universe came into being. Every number has a basic property and a method. These are the attributes. Then how difficult is it to regard the Absolute Truth (God) similarly. The question is not evidence because the evidence is plain to see and irrefutable in the same way one can't deny the existence of the number "1" for a lack of evidential proof. If that makes sense.

@@muddypool7537 We have evidence that people have thoughts and ideas but we can't touch thoughts/ideas. They are not tangible but often represent things that are. God is not tangible but has given us many things that are.

Absolute load of bollocks

Very well said.

You can listen, respect, receive, reason, have open body language, be polite, compliment, have an open mind, display humility -- and still be very wrong. None of those things vouch for the veracity of what you claim. None of the opposites of any of that indicates that who have lacks those things is wrong. It merely means that the person doesn't listen, is disrespectful, doesn't reason (at least not then), has closed body language, is impolite, does not compliment, has a closed mind and is not humble -- all of which is actually compatible with being right.

@@danhanqvist4237 Having closed body language, being impolite, having a closed mind and not being humble mean the absolute opposite of being right. It shows lack of confidence like trying to protect your own dignity from being hurt, show dissapointment and bitterness. Nothing to do with being right

@@katsaras1 No it doesn't. Being right or wrong is exclusively a matter of the quality of your arguments (whatever the Woke Brigade thinks). All those things may indicate uncertainty, for instance, but that does not impact the quality of the arguments. Being right or wrong is not a matter of sentiment.

Imagine the stupidity of having a world view that nothing created all of us, it means nothing, when we die its exactly as if we never lived, so lets spend all our time angrily trying to convince people that their lives are meaningless too and will essentially UN-LIVE at death where it doesnt matter what you did, what you believed, what you enjoyed or anything at all. Atheism is the most ridiculous and preposterously stupid belief system man king has ever been infected with, its not even close.

Also, the atheist tends to say “nothing could even hypothetically convince me to change my mind”, whereas the Christian says “Hypothetically, yes, but it would have a lot of explaining to do for what I have personally experienced”. Atheists are so reluctant to even entertain the opposing view, as Atkins clearly states-even if he witnessed Jesus dying and being resurrected personally, he would not be convinced. Compare to Lennox saying if credible evidence emerged that early Christians deceived and some other explanation for my personal witnesses of Christ’s power existed, but it doesn’t and Christianity is the way.

The Christian always comes off as arrogant and egotistical to me. I think it's a matter of preferring the side you personally bat for

@@Mandragara surely u can't say that lennox comes of as arrogant or egotistical here

@@Movies-ji9gw I think he does. It's a matter of the side you cheer for. Many atheists say that Dawkins isn't arrogant or egotistical, he's just a scientist that says simple truths that offend people. Many Christians call him arrogant. Let's do a thought exercise, can you name any Christian apologist types that are arrogant and egotistical? If you can't, then that might be a case of Rose tinted glasses

Atkins saying our morality came from evolution is the weakest answer I've ever heard. No matter how science and technology progress in the end our morality will dictate what should be done with it. And Morality cannot be explained by science. John is right it is innate in us what is good and evil even as a child I know when I have deliberately did something wrong even before my parents will scold me. "Do not do unto others what you don't want others to do unto you" is the golden rule because we all know it's true. Even the evil people doesn't want anyone to harm them. I believe in God because I believe in Good and evil and science cannot explain why there is good and evil.

​@@gracie30ishwell tabulated

Yeah, science is non-different than Brahman, there is nothing existent aside from Brahman...this is the absolute truth and it is testable...

​@@billkotas9049Please tell us more...

Atkins brings to my mind a biblical truth -- "the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom" by showing me how dogmatic a scientist's mind can be.

Exactly what I thought! His position is unfalsifiable!

I have a question :What is the difference between being open minded and gullible ? It seems to me a thin line ,I need some insights

@@maninthecosmos5379 : Open-minded is being open to listening with respect to various views and then a readiness to accept whichever view seems to be true and most plausible. Being gullible is lapping in everything without any discernment. A big difference - not a thin line!

Late, I know, but I'd like to add that we should never be afraid to follow the evidence as christians. It is probably the best way we have to find truth, and the scripture encourages us to seek truth.

That's exactly what I was thinking about

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Lennox is very clever, he actually has no logical arguments to prove there is a benevolent god other then his holy book, so he comes over as nice as pie and lets his opponent be the bad guy. In fact the god be believes in is ANYTHING but benevolent, yahweh is cruel ,retributive and he only includes a tiny proportion of humanity in his original plans , the jews. So given thats a finite number , he expands his appeal to include others, but only did so in the last 2000 years when we've been around for a hell of a lot longer then that , doesn't this seem strange to you ?

@@reverendbarker650 Lennox isn't there to lecture on Christianity he already assumes that Atkins is aware of all the arguments so he go over there main ideas. In Orthodox Christianity you can't reach god only by pure logic you also need experience because we aren't logical according to David Hume And the other point is just a misrepresentation of Christianity, Jews don't go to heaven because they are Jews. we can all go to heaven and we can all reject it Moreover, Atkins didn't have any logical nor illogical arguments at all he already preassumed Christianity is wrong and therefore "It is intellectually lazy" (in a funny british accent) actually if you think about this statement from Atkins it doesn't make any sense

That’s a mischaracterization of OT texts. You’re slapping the 21st century on top of the ancient world. Israel was establishing itself as a nation in the midst of severe brutality led by Assyria and Egypt. As violent as Israel was asked to be, it was still less than the nations around them. The purpose of that nation was to be a shining light in the world, not to the exclusion of others but to the benefit of the world. And those born before Christ were not excluded from salvation. And you can dismiss Lennox’s arguments, but you certainly can’t deny they’re at least arguments.

A true Christian believes in what the Lord Jesus Christ said. Like John 17:1-3

​@cynthiaramirez8305 You really meant John 17:1-5, right? Everyone seems to be terrified of verse 5...

A true Christian who understands what Paul means when he wrote 2 Cor 5:18-21 understands that Jesus earthly ministry was to get Israel to see their Messiah and when they rejected him and killed him that during the DB&R a new creation was made and that whosoever believed the message that was given to the only aspistle to the gentiles as well as the jews after the cross are saved through believing what Jesus accomplished with his DBR and the only thing that saves and gives salvation is simply to believe that. When a believer does then God sees the believer through his Son and nothing he does is held against him. Because of this free gift the person is grateful to God and chooses to live the best life he can knowing he can never live up to Gods standards yet he knows that he is a child of God and can never loose his salvation. What I have seen of evangelical Christianity is that they don’t separate Jesus’s earthly purpose from the eternal purpose for anyone who believes what happened with the cross. Note: I have only been saved a few years because all that I ever heard of Christendom seemed to be that all of Jesus life was written to me and that what was written in Matthew was for me yet all who preached and taught that couldn’t make anything in Matthew work for them thus I knew something was wrong with the baptist. Through years of struggle I happened onto hearing a Bible teacher explain the Bible the way it was actually written. What a difference it makes. I learned that it was called the Pauline doctrine and since the cross its always been around however theres never been more than a half to one percent of Christendom that heard or seen or believed it. Sadly its all but extinct in the US.

if missing the point was an art. religious people like you would be the picaso of it

Yeah, science is non-different than Brahman, there is nothing existent aside from Brahman...this is the absolute truth and it is testable...

If that's what is brought to mind, you're an idiot.

So who you agree with here?

To know something means to "believe" that you know something

@@Nicolas-bj1wwjudging by his quote he agrees with Lennox and is pointing out Atkins may be an example of the quote he provided

The only evidence Atkins gives is saying there is no God as many times as he can without being struck down by him

@@brandongoss9748 That sounds like you're wallowing in a petulant fantasy of someone being "struck down" because they disagree with your opinions. Classy.

@@timwatts9371 alright, I'm not going to check every comment thread on this video. But at this point I think it's safe to say you tried to make a point of responding to every single one. You'd put Mormon missionaries to shame with your passion for declaring atheism. Like I asked before, who hurt you dawg?

Which cannot be explained by science!

@@timwatts9371 Not sure how you got that from his comment. It sounds like you are preserving a large chip on your shoulder in order to generate such grand and violent assumption from a rather tame comment. It makes you appear quite petty and defensive and this thread is the first comments I read thus far. It is a shame...As Terminator replied, who hurt you and why are you clinging to the anger and/or hurt?

Truth Speaks he’s a reasonable fellow. The facts that his reasonably high standards makes people cower into the “christian” camp, is rather sad. And disappointing.

@Truth Speaks EXACTLY! Peter was being a big ass through alot of this debate... lack of respect.

@@misss.o.j. a lot*

@@masongalioth4110 He claimed at about 59:40 during this discussion that it would be impossible for any evidence to convince him, which shows that he's not reasonable. He's not open to evidence.

anyone who wasnt a christian before this debate remained so. only a christian could watch this and not identify with peters disgust.

You are exactly right. Character assassination, not reason.

@@danielbryant3437 Which is the usual weapon of the atheist in a debate.

Exactly. Hitchens n Dawkins being *prime* examples.

@@elizabethryan2217you should see the debate between William Lane Craig and Laurence Krauss. Krauss was unbelievably vicious!

My thoughts exactly! You could be deaf and still see plainly who won that debate based on facial expressions!

You like John Lennox because he says everything you want to hear, you want to believe in a god and Lennox confirms to your satisfaction that there is a god, he doesn't, but he convinces you that he does. If you had any critical thinking left you would see that Lennox talks nonsense.

Whilst what you’re saying may be true or false, does that denounce his level of patience displayed, of which I was referring 2?

@@davinjohnson1110 Patience? he's talking nonsense, he listens then he talks nonsense. He tries to appear quiet and calm because he knows that works with believers because they don't actually listen to what he's saying. He talks as if everything he is saying is true but has no way of showing that any of it is true. There are no gods, there is no heaven, there was no resurrection because no one has ever come back from the dead. You want to believe it's all true but there has never been any evidence that any of it is. That's why what you believe is called a "FAITH".

Yes, because I believe in Jesus. Makes it far more better than listening to an immature brat who forces his point and interrupts all the time and talks rubbish 🗑.

@@davinjohnson1110 His 'patience' is there because he knows exactly what believers want to hear, they are waiting for him to speak no matter how long they have to wait, and he knows this, what you are seeing is not patience, it's confidence based on past experience, he has been doing this for a long long time and he knows he will get a mental standing ovation from every believer.

Beautiful!

What exactly do you study?

@@derhafi what did Newton, faraday maxwell darwin study?

@@traditionalsunni629 Nature. Our wonderful universe which works perfectly fine without the unfounded assumption of the supernatural. So.... What's your point?

@@derhafi haha. We dont do that here boy.

Peter lacks the warmth and humor of John. Too bad. The Bible is the same way. No humor from Yahweh just guilt, shame and pain.

Proud of stupidity too...

@@briendoyle4680 ?

@@JamesRichardWiley You say that as if there’s no way out of it. Like there’s no hope. The Bible clearly says to believe Christ died and rose on the third day and you shall be saved. Ask for forgiveness, repent for your sins and you shall be cleansed. You’ve obviously have not looked deep into the Bible as well. It talks about the Holy Spirit which gives you an inner peace and joy. As you could see in the video it looks like John Lennox has no worries and an inner peace, I wonder where he and I myself got it from. Besides the Bible seems like that way most of the time because it’s focused on human redemption, we sinned against God and chose darkness. He’s not going to pat us on our backs and say “very good faithful servant”, no he says “depart from me worker of iniquity I never knew you”. That’s why there’s grace and hope in Jesus Christ Seek the truth and it will be given onto you. Seek Jesus.

@@Mantheman23 All that from a book of fables... amazing ... PT BArnum loves these sorts of people - they'll believe anything...

Yeah, science is non-different than Brahman, there is nothing existent aside from Brahman...this is the absolute truth and it is testable...

@@billkotas9049ALL HAIL LORD VADER!

@@billkotas9049 I can prove that roulette stops only on red. I met many people who bet on red and won. So it's tested. Good luck with that belief in Vegas.

blessing from GOD like Cancer, Heart disease or malformed babies he creates huh, PRAISE JEEBUSSS

Talk about living an illusory sense of being.....!!

@@TAGtalkinaboutGod yes, he certainly does!!

Thank you for sharing about your mother God bless you yes Jesus Christ is Lord

I am one that HOPES Peter will record his transition as an experiment for his followers/students of his belief. What a great experiment that would be! If he is so confident there is no such thing as God, right? It should be a "natural" transition, with zero intervention. If he is serious about his position, let him step up as a Bonafide donor to science....

😊😊😊😊 I saw that you're defending your belief. Good for you. Let me defend mine. This is the first and the greatest of my defense, JESUS LOVES YOU. I will be praying for you brother. Thanks.

Hi Jim H. 😊😊😊 Just prayed for you.

​@Jim H Well, it is sad that you don't go further and investigate. Exactly this was predicted and the whole roman catholic church with all it's apostacy had to go this way. But you only understand it when you read the bible. Why do you think the protestantism take place? The crusades? The papacy? Paganism was adopted into roman catholic church. What did Jesus say to the Pharisee? “And the Lord said unto him, Now do ye Pharisees make clean the outside of the cup and the platter; but your inward part is full of ravening and wickedness.”(KJV)

The Lord has nothing to do with it. What happens you see, is a mummy and daddy who really love eachother get together and............well you hopefully know the rest. That's how his life came about 🙄

For which there is no Evidence.

How did your family feel about that transformation?

So you gave up on one BS religion and picked up another BS religion. Didn't you learn anything?

if I would Atkins, i'd respond "well you are the exception" (and thinking inside: "contaminated!!!" )

@@bandie9101 The irony is there are certain religious extremists who feel the same in reverse. We have to at least start from a baseline of respect. We can't presume that someone is stupid just because they sit it differently. I was an Atheist for a long long time before I came to Faith in Christ. I understand the Atheistic world view all too well, and I even still defend parts of it, including the common "You just hate God!" argument I hear from my religious friends. It's easy enough to box us all in.

@@OpenMawProductions yeah, IMO too, there are several type of atheists regarding their relation to the divine.

Yeah, science is non-different than Brahman, there is nothing existent aside from Brahman...this is the absolute truth and it is testable...

The problem is that he misses out the critical foundation for the gospel, Creation, Fall, Flood & substitutes the wisdom of men.

​@@martinploughboy988well you shall read the bible out every time you critic on someone preaches the gospel

@@Mr0800092000 You don't need the whole Bible, just the foundational parts.

Yeah, science is non-different than Brahman, there is nothing existent aside from Brahman...this is the absolute truth and it is testable...

Yes, a pity he never uses scientific evidence to support his position!

The inner peace he has is Jesus and the Holy Spirit. It’s the missing hole every human has in their soul. I pray for Peter’s salvation!

It is called "delusion"

@@derhafi who seems delusional, the man constantly insulting beliefs of another human or the man sitting and listening? Atkins is extremely offended by what, a God thats not real? Saying we humans know more than a God, than THE God. Just by definition thats non sequitur B.S. and almost rhetorical

@@dr.zoidberg5096Atkins is quite right not to accept that people can drone on claiming something without any evidence and expect it to be treated as intelligent discussion just because it is cloaked in religion. He is right to make no exaptation for religion in that regard, he is right to treat it with contempt and to point out that it produces far more evil than good. I have no respect for Lennox's views and I don't care whether he comes across as more avuncular as that is irrelevant. I thought Atkins said what needed to be said about science and reality and I have no problem with him being dismissive of Lennox and his fantasies about non-existent beings. Delusion: characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument. There is not a trace of solid, repeatable, unambiguous empirical evidence supporting a correlation of any God and reality, let alone the one God, Lennox happens to believe in. As there are no flawed arguments which hold up against scrutiny in favour of any divine being. Lennox is per definition delusional.

@@derhafi well. I can state simply and clearly that your wrong. Evidence comes in many forms, whether you accept it or not doesn't change reality. Logical thinking would lead us to two conclusions about Jesus, eaither He was on the same level as a man saying hes a literal chicken with feathers OR He was telling the truth. No historian accepts the body as being stolen, or mass hallucination or any theory, quite the opposite, they say that evidence for the resurrection is quite compelling. No to mention geological locations discovered or the fact that the Israelites are an actual people. Also prophecy is being fulfilled to this day! In 1948 Israel became a sovriegn nation and that was foretold in the bible. But you probably would dismiss all the evidence i gave lol Also, why would peter be so insulting to someone so calm unless he looked down on John? Atheist always have this out look of people tolerating then but they tolerate no one! Atheist are literal walking arrogance. Claiming to know better than God while at the same time saying they cant even answer all questions? They put themselves in Gods lap and then slap Him in the face.

You sound like a “feelings are more important than fact” kind of guy

@@pazuzil That fact-free nothing reply 8 months after the comment was posted is 100% based on feelings...

@@alexdemetriou707 The irony..

@@MacCadalso The intention...

He doesn't need to. He could have and frankly, he probably should have.

Yeah, science is non-different than Brahman, there is nothing existent aside from Brahman...this is the absolute truth and it is testable...

Not so foolish as to sit on his idle duff lazily quoting Bronze Age bigotry. Atkins is one of the most distinguished scientists in the UK. That you think his not sharing your weird faith based beliefs makes him a fool should give you pause to consider momentarily the possibility that you might be a mindless wanker.

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Wow

I just bought all the basic building blocks of life off Amazon, and a Taser from a gun store. I’m going to do it! I’m going to zap into life a basic life form that happened one trillion years ago. Then when it grows I'm going to f&$k it!!!

@@ThePrairieDogChannel You purchased the same kit I did.

And obsessed with telling the world how unnecessary is the character of their disbelief.

@@landofthefree2023 don't give up, it could take a trillion times, and if something is not right when it does happen, like it's design, I mean it's random thingy life form thing has life from the Amazon chems kit, but it needs another random thingy appendage to live now then give it a another trillion times and hopefully the random thingy will have the right random appendage to then starve to death because it doesn't have a way to eat or any food as well, like what the hell is food anyway right. I'm starting to think it's aliens man.

Awesome observation I see the same one has shalom beyond comprehension...

When you understand the real world then your confidence that religion[s] are nonsense becomes very strong.

I was thinking that as well. Jolly ol' man.

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@Natasha Green Haha right?!? Such a loveable guy.

It is Dr. Lennox for you nigga

I see him more as Pooh Bear in human form

With all due respect, I'm a hopeful agnostic but that seems like somewhat of a copout. I can totally imagine well organized experiments on out of body experiences or something showing evidence of an afterlife or consciousness being outside the brain, so evidence is very much possible.

@@Pheer777 I seriously recommend you actually read Aquinas before you attempt to refute possibly the smartest man who ever lived. This was not at all intended as a copout, the point of the statement is to state that those without Baptism (this is where the gift of faith is received) will be disorderedly averted to the possibility of proof of the eternal truth, though it is possible to convince them regardless.

@@Pheer777 We are born at wrath with God due to original sin, Baptism removes this blindness. Also, most hardcore Atheists are extremely averted to any sort of proof of God.

@@lyricalmike7162 I'm basically an atheist but believe me when I say I wish I could believe in a god. I guess pure faith is just difficult because once you realise that all personal experience is subject to the fallibility and cognitive biases of the human mind, verifiable evidence becomes somewhat necessary. I can name several things that would prove to me unequivocally that there is a god, but feeling good during prayer is not one of them. There is a part of the brain that when stimulated with transcranial magnets, creates a spiritual feeling. Whether or not that was put there by god to allow humans to feel close to him, or evolved as a mechanism to promote social bonding and harmony is a different question.

@@Pheer777 I never suggested any of that as reasons there are superior metaphysical and philosophical reasons that God exists, anyone can understand them with common sense. What is cannot come from what is not, you cannot give what you do not posses. A plant cannot become a refrigerator, I cannot give you a phone unless I have a phone to give you. Existence works the same way, existence must come from existence, not nothing. You cannot have existence unless something gives you existence, however existence cannot come from nothing. This declared that existence is eternal, that eternal existence is what we call God. There, now you should believe in God, all you needed is common sense, God bless you.

When one deliberately succumbs to the eternal death of his soul, what a pity. 😢😢

Yes the parable of abraham Lazarus and the rich man

Even if someone came back from the dead they still wldnt believe, they have moses and the prophet's

Why wld you need to help john "why he is a Christian" you font know what hes thinking. . . The arihence

So much for following the science! What he is saying is “Don’t confuse me with facts!”

Yeah, science is non-different than Brahman, there is nothing existent aside from Brahman...this is the absolute truth and it is testable...

@Psicólogo Miguel Cisneros those are really good questions!! Though I don't know why you are asking me these... Does it relate to what i wrote? In reality i value truth as a very high priority. I love truth! I pursue truth! It moves me deeply when i discover or recognize it. Even when it is difficult or challenging personally. I have found no greater, no other truth than Jesus, His words, God's whole story and plan as related in the Bible. I have experienced the healing power that comes with it, a redeemed life and perpose and being set free from various afflictions. And His truth is still changing me, enabling me to be a part of the new creation. To take my role, to grow into it. "I am the way, the truth and the life." Jesus said. I love truth. I love God.

@Psicólogo Miguel Cisneros you're asking reall good questions!! 😀👍 How do you relate to any person? By talking with them, right? By spending time together, getting to know each other... Jesus aleady knows you in and out, He knows your thoughts, good and bad, He knows your hopes and desires... So it's up to you now to get to know Him 🙂 He is very near you, if you start talking to him, He will draw even nearer. Ask Him all your questions, tell Him tht you want to relate to Him, but don't know how. Ask him to show you! Reading the Bible is priority number one to get to know Jesus, because His words are in it. And these words have power! They will change your heart and thinking for the better 😊👍👍👍 Talking to peoplewho already know Jesus, spending time in fellowship is important and exciting, also for seeing whatJesis does right now! To relate to the historical Jesus who walked this earth 2000 years ago I recommend thenew show"the chosen". Have you seen it?? They have it in different languages

​​​​​​​​​​@Psicólogo Miguel Cisneros Feelings do not always equate to truth. Often, feelings can get us into a lot of trouble. I was brought up in an atheistic household. By the age of six I started asking questions about God and was often mocked by my family. My mum actually thought I was ill for even asking. I lived my life thinking there's probably a God but I didn't care. At 30, I had a vision that I was at my dads funeral and I was prompted to preach the gospel of Christ to my dad. I had never read the Bible so I had no idea what the word "gospel" meant and had to google it. I told my dad about my profound experience and we studied the Bible together (I left out the part that I was at his funeral). I started writing in Hebrew, Aramaic and Koine Greek-the three languages that the Bible is originally written in. Again, I had never read the Bible and certainly didn't know anything about the languages. I was guided to learn about Biblical prophecies. Again, I didn't know what prophecy was. I just want to add, that none of this happened to me because I'm more special in God's eyes than you or anybody else but because I had a willing heart and through using me as an instrument, many of my family members now have a relationship with Christ. My dad excepted Jesus Christ's salvation plan for him-the gospel of Christ and he died 3 months later smiling in a coma. There's so many more miracles I can get into that are mindblowing but I cannot prove my testimony to you. God doesn’t say just have faith, He backs it up with evidence. He gives you something to examine and I don't just mean historical evidence and archaeological evidence but through Bible prophecy. More than a quarter of the Bible contains prophecy showing you how important it is to God to give us information about the future. Approximately 70% of Bible prophecy have found fulfillment with 100% accuracy which means the other 30% reserved for the end times have remained unfulfilled and will also be fulfilled with 100% accuracy. No other religion in the world has such confirming evidence to inspire its faith. This is God's way of saying, examine Me so that you can know amongst all these idols and false gods that I am who I say I Am. There are plenty of outside sources for example, the first century historian Josephus. He was not a Christian but he wrote about Jesus and how both during and after His death there were countless eye witness accounts claiming they witnessed this man performing miracles and claiming to see the risen Jesus, which led to a huge conversion to the faith. We have the preserved writings of the first century Pharisees in early Judaism. Remember, they flat out deny Jesus as Son of God and yet they affirm in their writings that this man was doing something supernatural, causing up a stir among the people. Interestingly, they do not apply these supernatural acts to miracles rather something demonic in nature. The Old Testament predicted that the nation of Israel by in large would reject it's King and this is why they refuse to read prophecies such as Isaiah 53, written 700 years before the first coming, death, burial and resurrection of Christ and Psalm 22, written by kind David 1000 years before. They don't read it because it clearly predicts the Messiah coming and being crucified. The crucifixion of Christ predicted 1000 years in advance (Psalm 22:16) is also significant because as capital punishment, the Jew's stoned people to death (Leviticus 24:16); (Numbers 15:35-36). The piercing prophecy is remarkable because history tells us that the Romans would come into the land of Israel and take away from the Jew's the right to execute their own criminals. The Jew's had to turn Jesus over to the Romans after they accused Him of being guilty through their own religious courts (of course Christ was innocent) because of what Rome had done beginning of 63 B.C. It was the Roman's who crucified people. The Romans did not invent the crucifixion, that was the Assyrians. The point is, at the time the prophecy was penned by David 1000 years beforehand and then again by Isaiah and all these other prophets, by saying “piercing” they were anticipating the Roman's coming into Israel and removing the right to execute their own criminals. If a mere man had written that, there's no way a Jew could have foreseen that and it wouldn't have said “piercing,” it would have been written that Christ would die by stoning. The Old Testament predicted a two-part prophecy; a physical and spiritual revival of national Israel; the physical (the land coming back to life after laying as a desolate wasteland for a lengthy period of time until the last days, which it did for nearly 2000 years). The physical revival has been fulfilled but as predicted, the Jew's are back in their land from being scattered amongst the nations and are in rejection of Christ. So, the spiritual revival-the acceptance of their true Messiah who already came is yet to be fulfilled. Many of the events such as specific detailed wars, locations and buildings are verified and more and more is being discovered. For example, the inscriptions on cylinders in the British Museum engraved by the Babylonian king, Nabonidus varifies the same account in the Bible and there are countless artifacts like this and archaeological sites verifying the Biblical accounts. There are three tests. The first is bibliographic, which examines whether the documents we have today are the same as those originally written by the authors. This test considers the quantity of existing manuscripts and the time between the earliest copies and the originals. When people try to mock the Bible as untrustworthy, keep this in mind: there are only 49 copies of Aristotle’s writings in existence and each is at least 1400 years removed from the original. Aristotle for anyone who doesn’t know, is considered to be one of the greatest Greek philosophers. It gets worse: of the writings of Greek philosopher, Plato, there are only 7 copies on the planet and they are 1200 years removed from the original. Contrast that with the Bible, of which we have over 24,000 copies and they’re finding more all the time. The earliest of those is only 25 years removed from the original and even from within the lifetime of the actual authors. Yet people don’t think to question the authenticity of Aristotle or Plato’s writings while they scoff at the Bible. It makes no sense. And the Bible’s preservation story gets better than 25 years. In the same community where the Dead Sea Scrolls, (with their Old Testament copies), were found, just in the last few years they have actually found copies of the New Testament books too. If you use the dates people estimate for the writing of the New Testament manuscripts, based on what they have just found. We now have portions of the Gospel of Mark from within 13 years of being written, portions of Romans from within 11 years, James within 8 years, Acts within 5 years, 1 Timothy within 5 years, and portions of 2 Peter from the exact same year it was estimated to have been written. The New Testament is the most verified document in the history of mankind! When people mock the Bible, its due to their own lack of understanding or their lack of pursuit of Biblical knowledge. What about legend vs historical figure? Women were the key and chief witnesses to testify that they had found the empty tomb of Jesus after He had been buried for three days. The first eyewitness to see Jesus resurrected was a woman. We know according to Jewish custom women were deemed to be unreliable witnesses. If you were a first-century Jew making up this story out of thin air, you would never say that women discovered the tomb. It would damage your case or credibility, not help it. So,why did all four gospel writers record that it was women who discovered the empty tomb? The disciples recorded what actually happened and knowing their truth in Jesus regardless the backlash. The presence of these women is strong evidence of the historical accuracy of their claims and how they were embarrassing to the early church gives us even more reason to think that they are real historical witnesses. Now, what’s interesting is that when you look at this from our twenty first century perspective what was a weak point in the first-century is a strong point from a historical critical understanding of the gospels now. The first century issues of proclaiming the gospels turned out to be more support and strengthening of the historical fact nowadays and this is why 75% of scholars across all broad spectrums affirm the empty tomb. We understand that people do not generally tell stories or lies that hurt their reputation nor would they all be willing to die based on a lie. The more embarrassing it is the more reason you have to think it’s historically accurate. So, if you were in the first-century culture and you wanted to make up a story of Jesus’ tomb being empty, you would never narrative it with women as witnesses to that event. The Bible doesn’t consider women as bad witnesses obviously since the Bible is using them but the first-century culture did. There is a case for Christ. Most people who scoff at the God of the Bible, aren't honestly seeking truth or they don't believe in the first place that truth lies in Christ. It's not sincere in many cases. Christ says seek and you'll find Me.

Glory To The Triune GOD😊

@@psicologomiguelcisneros He is real. Jesus is real. He is the same yesterday, today, and forever Heb. 13:8. I want to quote Apostle Paul in one of his letters to the Corinthians. 1 Corinthians 2:4-8 My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit's power, so that your faith might not rest on human wisdom, but on God's power. If you seek the Lord carnally, then if bounds to fail. Just like the reply of Anna, she experienced the healing power of the Lord which is one of His ministries during His life on earth. And this still exists today because He is the same yesterday, today, and forever. That's the reason Apostle Paul demonstrates the power of the Holy Spirit. I too, one of my secrets from the occult was revealed by the Lord thru one of His servants as a mouthpiece by the Word of Knowledge (one of the Spiritual Gifts you can read in 1 Corinthians 12), that only the Holy Spirit can reveal so that the walls that blinded me be destroyed. The reason also the Lord reveals Himself supernaturally is because that's who He is. Supernatural beyond human wisdom and knowledge, All-Knowing, the Alpha, and the Omega. Accept Jesus Christ, cry out to Him, and be patient. Just seek Him with all your heart and you will find Him Jeremiah 29:13. He will reveal himself to you. That's what also happened to me, so many questions about Him until He revealed Himself supernaturally destroying the walls of worldly reasoning which is nonsense.

My favorite one😂😂😂😂😂😂

God definitely has a great sense of humour lol

Yes, Peter looked utterly pissed off and uncharitable from the beginning.

heishhhh u are so right..lenox is the embodiment of sense and maturity

I think the belief in atheism produces an empty pointless, angry life - Mr. Peter is the perfect example - because everything is pointless and meaningless anyway…I would be pissed and unhappy too

@elkefontillo3239 an atheist would argue that being atheist makes life indescribably valuable as you only get a single shot and its over. I get your point though, a belief in God and the transcendent is a beautiful thing, you wish others felt it too.

Its always beautiful when men display this level of class

Very nicely said

You exhibit the same arrogance born of ignorance of all godbotherers.

@@boffeycn Wrong Wong! :) You exhibit the same kind of defiance, born of rebellion of all god rejecters!

Amen!!!

@@Truth537 Thanks for telling us you are an immature fool.

You didn't die. My lord.

​@@rumbobbie1NDE are not uncommon. Are you angry at God? Did you pray for something that God said no to?

@@jndvs95 Hehe you make god sound like Santa.

Yeah, an example of a true believer. ❤

Kym Uh, you misspelled arrogance.

Yes. He makes me proud to be Irish. John is a great northern Irishman. ☘☘☘

Psalm 34:8 Taste and see that the LORD is good; blessed is the one who takes refuge in him.

@@loveandfaithfulness4479 Cannabals ! Better to wipe with than eat.

@Carolus Magnus I would assume DR. Lennox

@Carolus Magnus obviously deadpan face Atkins

You misquoted. Lying little Johnny said. "You should listen to him three times more carefully than you listen to me."

If you were a little more perceptive and less overcome with fanboy adulation for Lennox you would have understood that he was actually sneering at Atkins whilst appearing to compliment him. There's nothing wrong with that of course. Debates to a large extent are about point-scoring, they never really arrive at the truth. Lennox is an accomplished performer and Atkins, not so much.

@@timwatts9371 - Sneering? More like jesting.

7 years for me. Another former militant atheist. Praise God for saving us from our own prideful arrogance and foolishness!

What made you change your mind

@@turkeybobjrwhat changed your mind

@user-qg1kb8ih3g I finally stopped running from God and surrendered. We all know the truth. The truth is written on our hearts, and our conscience bears witness to it. But in our unrighteousness, we suppress the truth because we want to live life our way instead of God's way. But God's way is so much better. All the evidence came later. But first, I had to surrender my life to God and submit to the Truth.

@@turkeybobjr so when you were an atheist you still believed that god existed you just didn’t want to follow him

I find him intensely irritating.

Love Lennox! Gentleman and scholar!

@@5utoob ... who believes in fairy tales and talks to an imaginary friend.

@@stanstevens6289 Yes, I would think that most atheists would find him irritating....

@@5utoob I agree, I want his babies

You are wrong, You are ignoring colosal fields of study, Science is extremely limited, do you want examples ?

So wrong concept.

Don’t just live your life “believing”. Biblical Christianity is coming to know the Living God personally, because he is the Holy Spirit (Spirit of God). And that Spirit enters your body when you repent and turn to Jesus Christ in complete faith as your personal Savior. A real live spirit enters your body, interacts with you, tells you he is God and incarnated as Jesus Christ, and just confirms everything in the Bible as his word. I’m speaking from personal experience. See, we don’t have to rely on some belief. First of all there’s supernatural activity all around us, so the thought that we have to actually try to believe in God is kinda foolish. But second, he actually enters your body when you come to Christ the biblical way. You’re not a Christian until you’re born again (he’s in you and living in your reborn heart). Being a Christian isn’t about believing something and that’s it, it’s about being in an actual relationship with Jesus Christ via his presence in your body. When he’s in your body, that’s more than enough proof that God is real. Why? Because *he’s in your body.* That’s why debates and arguments with atheists are ultimately a waste of time. Cause the presence of the Holy Spirit trumps all atheistic arguments.

how? What exact argument make you think that way?

I wonder if John wonders himself how he doesn't fly off the handle and punch some of these guys in their belligerent, arrogant faces? Only explanation is by the grace of God.

Atkins arrogance militate against his claim to be scientifically minded. Only emotion makes a person so rude

Something I notice from the vast majority of atheist scientists is that they don’t believe in a God and if you do believe in God it’s not “ okay, whatever “ it’s more like “ I must do whatever I can to shut you up “

Atkins knew he was losing the debate.

Took the words right out of my mouth! Atkins was constantly and consistently interrupting Lennox and then getting angry when it happened to him. He honestly acted like a child, constantly speaking over others and getting snippy when it happened to him. Then he’d make jokes and insults and act smart. I would not be able to handle him on the basis of addressing him as an adult, that’s for sure!

Can always sneak in a little more brainwashing.

Sharing the gospel is like handing the famous novel adventures in the monkey's tree in the blue sea.

@@ciprianpopa1503 to those that are dead, that’s true.

@@lesblase3667 Dead or alive is the same. The dead would have the same add value from those scribbles. Meaning they'll simply stay dead.

Oh, you whose hearts are hardened, you who run from the Truth. Jesus died for your sins, He loves you and wants you in Heaven with Him.

He’s incredibly powerful, like the end of a sewer line.

@@Paine137 the end of a sewer line isn't powerful at all. It just dribbles shit out..kind of like what you're doing.

@@modifiedbear6178 It isn’t powerful, and it’s all shit, which was my point, Slave.

@@Paine137you just got roasted what is your response?

A smile very reminiscent of the sodomising priests in Ireland and around the world.

@@zobbukit That's you're priest experience or are you just ranting?

@@tyronegooch5251 Since that’s what hundreds, maybe thousands, of priests did to children and then had tneir crimes covered up by senior members of the Catholic Church, how is it “ranting” to point that out?

Did you? I thought it looked a bit smug, if not a bit creepy. As Hamlet says: "one may smile and smile and be a villain"

@@zobbukit interesting observation. I noticed you avoided making a direct assertion. That was wise.

“God did it” is the epiphany of intellectual laziness.

You just saw someone call his conclusions lazy. Were you not paying attention?

@@rembrandt972ify "God did it" is Lennox fundamental conviction. It's also intellectual suicide. The insistence that appealing to one mystery is enough to solve another, and make no mistake, this is what he's doing, is lazy and the waste of a mind.

@@derhafi Lennox is not only lazy, but horribly dishonest as well.

@@derhafi I am sure you meant epitome, right? Anyway, ad hominem doesn't fly here Sparky.

It's because they have a friend in Jesus. But scientists have sub atomic particles and galaxies to play with.

The Lord grants us peace and happiness,because we know that He died not just for the believers,but also for the unbelievers,so that all may have a chance to live forever away from death,pain and suffering,but to live with happiness,peace,joy and with the Holy presence of the Lord at our side.God bless.

It's a joy from the inside. Happiness is a choice. When you have a problem, you can drink it out and forget until you wake up. It feels empty. But when you have the Holy Spirit, the joy is genuine inside. We can observe that it's the dopamine, serotonin and other good hormones that make us happy. But when it is unlimited, that's supernatural.

I really appreciate your comment. I find it interesting how Peter was very negative and crass with his comments towards John. I believe it's because the atheist worldview has no hope. Life has no purpose therefore there is no peace in the soul. I believe Peter's language was only in reference to the discuss that he feels on the inside. He doesn't even try to be open-minded.

That's what I have noticed too. They are calm, while the atheists are nervous and quick-tempered.

Amen 🙏 well put

"Factual"... interesting way of putting it. Only because a person debates in a kindly manner, smiles, is friendly or even generous does not make them automatically correct in their assertions. It is preposterous to state that Jesus made John Lennox the debater he is.

@@Eudaimonia88 I agree with you overall, that Jesus did not make Dr. Lennox the debater he is because Jesus doesn't know him. But, Jesus' teachings Lennox does know and uses them very accurately. It's much like having a book on how to build a house, the person has all the information to make it happen, but neither it's writer, influencer nor inspirer know the house builder. However, Dr. Lennox, as well as many other Masters, PHDs and even double PHDs who have come to believe in God and creation, actually DO leave the other side (Dawkins, Hitchings, Atkins, etc., etc., etc) looking overall like a child in a grown mans discussion. How and why? Because the evidence, all of it, points to a creator and The Bible is the only book that explains such a creator.

@@markuse3472 You’re spouting petulant and ignorant nonsense but it’s hilarious reading whines about atheists looking like children from those who still need an Imaginary Friend. There is no evidence at all that points to a creator. That is a propaganda line you’ve been spoon fed and which you’re repeating like a parrot with no thought

@@markuse3472 confirmation bias at it’s finest

patience and peace is not enough, having evidence for Jesus resurection by prof. Lennox is another story to wonder

@@thomastroy4857 This author of Cold-Case Christianity moved on, saying, "This is something I've seen my entire career: there's the thing called rigor mortis. It's the second of the mortise triad. And you'll see that kind of stiffness. You won't be as flexible as you would be if you were just unconscious." And Warner finds in the Gospel of John a key point of proof that Jesus wasn't faking it and that He really did die: a line about blood and water coming out of Jesus' body on the cross when a Roman soldier pierced him with a spear. "Water will collect in your lungs," he explained. "Now if that happens, if you pierce that cavity, you will see a separation of blood and water." It struck Wallace powerfully that John wrote of this, saying, "He was either so clever that he included some little-known biological fact that nobody would discover for 1800 years or he just reported what he saw. And as a result, we have a good piece of hidden science that confirms that Jesus actually died of cardiac arrest and was dead at the point of the body being taken off the cross."

@@thomastroy4857 Wait, what I copied and pasted didn't mention the resurrection sorry 😂

maybe, but evidence of resurection is biggest part of Lennox lunacy@@joeturner9219

@@thomastroy4857there’s plenty of evidence. Cold Case Christianity and the Case for Christ are 2 good books to start with.

Time stamp? Lol

@@lcc9769 23.52

@@jesusmontemayor8019 lol thanks

Psalm 34:8 Taste and see that the LORD is good; blessed is the one who takes refuge in him.

Glad u heard that too🤣. Oh science oh science?

After almost 45min of dishonesty and fraud from the other side, it is very understandable of him getting kind of annoyed.

I've listened to a few of Peter's debates and saying God did it is "intellectually lazy" is his stock answer. But saying Karl Benz built the first automobile with an internal combustion engine isn't intellectually lazy, it's what happened.

@UCyG70eXQ_ZigqLzgTUavdAQ Already the first statement of Lennox is full of lies and fraud. More interesting is his interrupting "response" at 20:42: is how to respond to this in a very "nice" and "pleasant" manner. It is more than obvious that the burden of proof is due to the person asserting the claim. With the same "argument" I would like John Lennox to disprove the 500+ k other images people have ever made of their figure of a whatever omniscient being. Or to put simpler: He shall start and disprove that the tooth ferry does NOT exist.

@active285 But he was rude from the very beginning. I came here to hear his side and I leave feeling that I watched him have a defensive, arrogant tantrum. If he truly believes John Lennox is a lazy intellectual and deluded then he should have just listened and calmly presented his evidence. Would he bristle and insult a child who believes in Santa Clause?! He added weight to John’s argument by being so defensive.

@@active285 well then he shouldnt have accepted the debate in the first place and should have stayed in his superior darwinian chimp cave munching leaves and rubbing rocks instead of refusing to engage in any healthy dialogue or meaningful discussion .

@@jokerxxx354 mad?

Ben mad for what? Instead of you people reading for yourself, thinking for yourself for the legitimacy of the arguments and their defenses. You brought a scientist to debate philosopher and because he didn't adress some of the points and you obviously didn't understand most of what he was saying, you concluded that your own worldview is correct (this is called cognitive disonance). These apologetics shouldn't represent you go read and find out for yourself, this militant atheism and stupid christianity lead nowhere.

I've never thought more than this for myself and if you'd do the same you probably wouldn't be saying this. There's a problem in that "atheism" or evolution theory just like in every other belief. You read it from books at your school, people say that school makes you smarter and you believe it because those teaching in school speak of their theory as the truth. I don't need anyone to think for me but it seems like you do when you accept that as "the truth". When you say "stupid christian" you do that from pure hate and not one bit from actual knowledge. You've let those people take your mind in their hands and form a view that you think is your own but it's not. At the end of the day it's foolish to think that science could ever answer those biggest questions which Atkins was referring to as the unneeded or fake questions. He is partly right because science can't ever answer those but it doesn't mean those questions cannot be asked nor that they wouldn't be real questions as any other question. Now if I said that Darwin knew in his own theory is incorrect (which he really knew) it's as true from my mouth as those who say it is true. That might be confusing but scientists can't actually prove it in any way in its fullest state. What I noted here in this debate was Atkins basically saying "that's nonsense", "there's no God" when Lennox was explaining himself to him. Anyway I don't need those people to think for me it's just interesting to see their arguments even tho everyone knows it leads nowhere. Please don't try to drive me to write a whole dissertation of this topic and go see the world from a perspective where no books or theories are influencing your own way of thinking. In the end everything is a belief

@@jokerxxx354 i think you automatically lost the argument by calling a stranger "stupid", right off the bat.

Ben there are many problems with what have you written. First, atheism is not necessarily belief in the non-existence of gods (gnostic atheism), it could also be not believing in god (agnostic atheism). Second atheism is not to be confused with the theory of evolution, because atheism is stance on worldviews that involve gods, if you are gnostic atheist. If you are agnostic atheists then atheism is not worldview neither a theory. Evolution through natural selection is hypothesis that has never been proven wrong and that's why we call it theory. You are misrepresenting facts with theory. Fact is based on repetitive observation, while theory is idea of how something has happened which is experimentally tested. Intelligent design doesn't come even close to theory of evolution, because intelligent design is not a scientific theory. You are also misusing the term truth, which is generally used as a property of statements which are to be tested using our senses. Truth doesn't exists as a property of reality. And evolution has never been presented as the truth rather as an idea that has explanatory power and has been experimentally verified.

I suspect the, "Jesus." quip was quite intentional.

@@soslothful Sure along with his nasty attitude toward Lennox, lol.

@@stevelopez372 That may be his general personality. However, in watching many debates like this. I often think some participants adopt a persona for the debate.

"Jesus" is figure of speech

@@fadhlyshirazy Is your father's name a "figure of speech"? how about "Fadhly". is that a figure of speech? Jesus. Isa. is the name of the Way, the TRUTH and the LIFE. Blasphamy is using His holy name as a "figure of speech" or a curse word. A picture of Muhammad is....just a cartoon too, right?

Your personal experience isn't Universal Truth. I know that's hard to accept.

Geert kok, you only say that because you were raised by christians…. Oh wait…. 😉

@BrighterThanGold You really shot yourself in the foot by whining about "propaganda" That was a word that the Christian Church invented to describe the way they forced people to accept Christian dogma. Whoops! If you ever study actual science you'll learn that every single discovery in science has shown that natural, material phenomena have natural, material causes. There is nothing in science that has actually proved nor disproved God's existence. But I appreciate that religious belief is comforting and I'm actually happy for you that you have that in your life. All the best.

@@timwatts9371 Bro when did he say that he found God based on personal experience? He may have found God through rationality.

@SHOGUN " especially when science points toward god everytime we discover something new" Name one, but one occasion when that happened! Please with a lot of sugar on top!

In 1910 Ivan Panin, a Russian/ American Harvard math genius and linguistic expert, proved the Bible mathematically. Watch - Math proves the Bible. Most recently a 30 year veteran cold case criminologist J. Warner Wallace proved the Bible forensically in his book, Person of Interest. His testimony would convince any jury of the veracity of the Bible. Some of the amazing things in the Bible include the prophecy of the fall of Tyre and the prophecy of Alexander the great. Bible firsts include knowing life being in the blood long before modern science, or the Bible knowing about mountains and currents in the oceans or how the earth hangs on nothing. You should know about the prophecies fulfilled by Jesus and the impossible odds of that happening. The Bible is a reliable collection of historical documents written down by eye witnesses during the lifetime of other eye witnesses. They report to us supernatural events that took place in fulfillment of specific prophecies and claim that the writings are divine rather than human in origin. 2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

Did you follow up and binge content of his? You ought to!

That’s certainly an interesting way of judging an intellectual debate. 😅 Do you do that when voting as well?

Well, I didn’t hear a single solid argument from Atkins. I actually grew up atheist and accepted a lot of what the main stream says. I think if you really dive into any logic about the existence and order of the universe, atheism just absolutely falls apart.

Dumbo! Lennox is from the Dark Ages and can't climb out of it!

Where’s the purpose in the fact that 99.9% of all life on this planet that as ever existed as become extinct?

@@vashna3799 Right! And also: What's the purpose of 'creating' 2.000.000.000.000.billion galaxies (a recent estimate) consisting of millions and millions of stars?

GeoCoppens ask clever dick , he seems to have the audacity to call Atkins a “dark age” thinker so I’m sure he’ll put us right.

Yes. There is no designated purpose from on high when there is science. There may be an internal belief about empowerment but not the God of the dark ages. People misrepresent us when they talk about scientists/ rationalists.

@@purpleohm1440 No, that would be arguing a non sequitur. The idea that we can have matter and energy without consciousness doesn't necessarily mean that we can have consciousness without matter and/or energy. Best not to assume while there are better options, logical reasoning and/or asking for instance.

@Kakashi Hatake - Well said

Good comment. Descartes was wrong. Being is a prerequisite for thought. We meet experiences through being, try to understand them with thought, and from that attempt to understand we create categories like 'matter' and 'energy'.

@@stephenbailey9969 If as you say, being is a prerequisite for thought, then having thoughs proves being. As far as I understood, Descartes merely argued the latter with his "I think therefor I am". The therefor is a reference to proof, not a reference to causation. premise 1 : being is a prerequisite for thinking premise 2 : I think conclusion : I am Not sure why you consider Descartes to be wrong about that, the reasoning seems valid and I see no reason to doubt the premises. Or did you mean that Descartes was wrong about something else?

@@BlacksmithTWD We are not always conscious of 'I', but we 'are'. There is much more to our being than our self consciousness. If as you say, Descartes was attempting to supply a scholar's proof, then in that internally referential pursuit it would be evident that he was accurate. ( His statement is almost a tautology in that respect. Although, I wonder: what is the 'I' that thinks in "I think"? Or is it thinking that creates 'I'. Just shows the inadequacy of words to capture the reality.) If you are speaking about our general experience of life itself, then his statement is lacking.

Chris Tan what reference

@@WrightlyDivided Romans1:22(, 23)

I agree with you Chris Tan.

Yeah, that basically describes every hardline religious person.

@@alexnorth3393 Religious people don't profess to be wise, at least not me. I think I'm a fool for God, and He loves me, and He loves you too! 😊And I also love you, Alex.

Me too. And I pray God would be gracious to do the same through me.

If He is glory, why does he need to be glorified from others? Is that like women love to be complimented or what? 😂😂😂

@@furiousinsects6386 Because that is our purpose. We were made in his image. To be a reflection of him.

@@tommygunsist No we don’t. Besides, speak on yourself. Don’t tell me what is my purpose, that’s impolite.

@@furiousinsects6386 You asked the question. I provided the answer. And if the truth is “Impolite” then so be it.

Yes, because we know that every christian throughout history has exemplified those virtues. Just ask the pagans they persecuted. Atheists can be assholes. So can christians, and buddhists, and sikhs, and muslims, etcetc. We're humans, and humans, largely, suck. What you're claiming as evidence of something is in fact evidence of nothing at all.

Philip McClure someone being sweet doesnt indicate truth to what they say.

"Scripture says that a mature Christian will be characterized by "love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness...". But that's just the propaganda. The reality is very, very different.

The fact you think the existence of God is proved by the fact Atkins is a grumpy old man and Lennox looks fat and jolly tells us a great deal about how childish and limited the thinking processes of religious people are.

You know why ? He’s in love brother with Jesus ! Nothing affects you when you truly believe in God.

Yep nothing can help you when u believe in God not even a slap in the face.

​@@arlencarroll1964What does that even mean?

​@@arlencarroll1964 We shall see on judgement day when you get slapped in the face by demons in hell for rejecting the love of God WHO is Jesus.

​@@dustinmosley5965 That means that he is a moron that thinks he is clever. Just laugh at the wasted effort, he actually can't help it.

He's an idiot. Blissfully ignorant. I wonder if he'd still be a Christian had her been born in Saudi Arabia. Fucking investigation my arse. He's a Christian because he was born into and indoctrinated by a Christian society.

Love that. He is VERY pro killing babies.

In atheism morality is deduced to a relative construct of the individuals mind, at least Atkins was consistent enough to acknowledge that. Seeing atheists try to maintain moral objectivity is like seeing a fish try to exist outside of water.

Cognitive dissonance.

@@googlespynetwork IMO it's consistent within his wordview. see, they think humanity creates the rules and only those things can be forbidden which hurts society, and there is no evidence that killing the next generation in heaps hurts the current generation, and even if there was, evolution corrects itself as the market processes correct themself, the rest of the animal kingdom survives, humans are not special in any way anyways, etc etc - they blindly believe. telling the mother not to do what she wants effects pollings badly, but killing a non-taxpayer baby just boosts the medical, phamaceutical, and psychoterapeutic industry. this make me remember the words "father turns against son and mother turns against daughter, nation turns against nation…"

same as him saying he only cares about evidence and then saying no evidence of God would make him reconsider

What about his big bank account from the God thing religion is the only industry to invest in if you want to become a millionaire

@@mick1gallagher May I suggest some English language courses?

@@lyricalmike7162 can I suggest some common sense course for a brainwashed fool like you

@@mick1gallagher that's why Mark Zuckerberg is a millionaire because he's so pious ...wait, strike that - Zuckerberg actually scoffs at religion & he's a mega billionaire, nvm

@@mick1gallagher are you suggesting that John Lennox is faking his beliefs to make money? 🤔

"quotes many highly successful people" That is a perfect example of a spurious appeal to authority and one of the many fallacies that Lennox employed in his discourse. I'm sorry you got fooled by that.

​​@@timwatts9371you, like Atkins are emotional 😂 You can't have logical conversation, you always become emotional

I have just watched 3 debates with Atkins, he is pompous and disrespectful with a face devoid of life....

Yes, Atkins is the quite rude one.

Why should he respect the religious? Think they’ve had it their own way for the past 2000 years and none of them have ever proved their god exists. Comes to a point that religion and its believers are no longer worthy of respect.

@@vashna3799 - well, maybe because they are your human beings fellows? You can disagree with everything another says, yet as long as he does that with respect and the discussion is not forced upon you, it is you who destroys humanity around you if you insist to be rude, not his irrational perspective (according to you).

@Steven Pounsett Ha! Steven Pounsett, thought the name was familiar, your the one who I argued with on another video, I asked what is the purpose of stars blowing up every single second in the universe and you either wouldn’t, or couldn’t answer that, and now you’ve got the brass neck to start lecturing me on morality. Right, well I won’t duck your comment unlike you. Regarding North Korea, it is the most prayer force state in the world. From dawn to dusk it’s citizens must praise their “Dear Leader “ as if he is Devine. The late great journalist Christopher Hitchens, one of the very few westerners to visit the country said this: “Religion is a totalitarian belief. It is the wish to be a slave. It is the desire that there be an unalterable, unchallengeable, tyrannical authority who can convict you of thought crime while you are asleep, who can subject you to total surveillance around the clock every waking and sleeping minute of your life, before you're born and, even worse and where the real fun begins, after you're dead. A celestial North Korea. Who wants this to be true? Who but a slave desires such a ghastly fate? I've been to North Korea. It has a dead man as its president, Kim Jong-Il is only head of the party and head of the army. He's not head of the state. That office belongs to his deceased father, Kim Il-Sung. It's a necrocracy, a thanatocracy. It's one short of a trinity I might add. The son is the reincarnation of the father. It is the most revolting and utter and absolute and heartless tyranny the human species has ever evolved. “ Now to correct again on the fact that Scandinavian nations (Iceland,Sweden,Denmark,Norway) are among the least religious nations and yet have among the highest standards of living, low crime and poverty, full equal rights for women shows the nonsense you’ve just stated that secular countries such as those fair worse. Japan, too is now largely secular and again, high standards of living, low crime and poverty, excellent health and education too. Canada and Australia have their fair % of religious people but both have secular democracies, and the USA as a secular constitution, written by its founding fathers, none of whom were Christian (Franklin was an atheist, Washington, Jefferson, Adams were Deists) . Compare that to countries were religion does rule, the entire Islamic world is ruled by its theocracy and is among the worst places to live. African nations under the thumb of Christian theocrats have Third world lives literally under the rule of their leaders telling them that contraception and birth control is “sinful “. And than trying to say it’s the non religious who start the most wars. The First World War was between the all the major Christian empires of Europe, Germany, British, French, Austrian -Hungarian as well as the Islamic Ottoman Empire too and very nearly obliterated each other and ending the term “Christendom” which became redundant after. And the Nazis, main antagonists of the Second World War were anything but secular, each Nazi belt buckle said “God On Our Side”, 40% of the dreaded SS were confessing Catholics, Hitler’s birthday was celebrated every year by the Catholic Church and Hitler himself never renounced his Catholicism and also believed in the Occult and superstitious Nordic myths. So that pretty much refutes your idiotic statement saying the non-religious cause the most wars. Looking forward to your refutation AND what the purpose is with stars that blow up every single second.

Lennox is full of evasions. In response to Atkins's request for evidence for the existence of god, Lennox just deflects with statement about his personal beliefs. No evidence.

@@mattc3510 Science is a language humans created. One can talk about it all they want - but that doesn't make it any less of a construct. To you, Lennox is a loon because he believes in something you think is impossible. The people who crashed and burned trying to fly with primitive bull-shit machines were also "loons". The idea that what we "understand" is the basis for the universe and everything in it - is sick.

@@gregjacksunyou got ratiod. Delete this foolish comment

Laughed out loud!

I wonder if John can magically explain his own arrogance.

I don't think there is a test tube big enough to accommodate such a test.

Fred B or strong enough. It would definitely explode 😊

@@truth2power528- LOL.... Thats for sure!