Bethinking 2/6: John Lennox on Stephen Hawking's "The Grand Design" 

I really like your use of cool. It is a very fitting word for John Lennox. He is unflappable and has the patience and intelligence, with a large dash of agape love, to handle the skeptics with style and wit.

Why? He’s just going to go to heaven

Download the videos and his teaching will be around forever.

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@@pyroclone123 You believe as atheists and evolutionists do: without evidence and actual honest research--of Gods word. He is not going to heaven.

You already know the truth... and that is why you don't care about facts any longer. That and intellectual laziness, of course. ;-)

Don't rely on the wisdom of man to give your faith, your faith comes from God. It makes us feel good to hear the truth, but that doesn't give us faith. God draws all men to Him, as the Bible says.

@@thomaswayneward Faith = the excuse for belief in something without any evidence

LOL, you mean the "faith" in an unproven theory; Darwinian evolution?@@bobwilkinson2008

Not really, that is just so intellectually lazy.

The atheist tactic is brilliant; like all evil it projects itself onto others, accusing them of intellectual laziness even while restating it's premise, atheism, as it's conclusion, materialism.

@@stevedoetsch your all stupid deluded bullshitters

@@mick1gallagher do you really think that intelligent God believers are bullshitters?

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John Lennox can't be serious. What he lacks in reasoning is made up by his lovely accent as he preaches to the choir about fantasyland. God helps those helping themselves is a saying because gods have a perfect record of nothing doing outside of fiction. I hear appeals to strong emotions, a common tool among podium jockeys. Any god outside of fiction is an absurdity the illiterate observes. Those with one foot in fantasyland authorize themselves to weigh-in on whatnot as if Earth had gravity-free zones & magic. The religious don't have ears to hear, the books of God are filled with faith & prayers: Nothing fails like prayers in a children's hospital, the religious are only into convincing themselves. Rabbi Podium Jockey should not take himself so seriously, nobody should. The religious have no quality-controls. God knows, god helps those helping themselves is a saying because gods have a perfect record of nothing doing outside of fiction. One might expect a deity to make itself known to everyone without work performed in interpretations of old literature by guys like our verbose podium jockey. Who in their right mind promotes travel as if best done with one foot in fantasyland vocabulary. Freud wrote the antidote to Christianity is literacy. Nothing fails like prayer in a children's hospital, and these wolves in sheep's clothing advocate prayer & faith verbiage. Even Jesus Christ said faith was worthless if you can't move mountains by issuing voice commands. What is moral or ethical about suggestions of travel with one foot in some religious fantasyland? A house divided cannot stand. We vote because Christians have no quality-controls, & we desire those governing not making suggestions travel is best done with one foot in someone's fantasyland. 'Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.'' Come, let us worship Jesus. Let us all forget it was secular law & order ending the inquisitions & witch-killings. Let us forget we have a saying: God helps those helping themselves, because gods have a perfect record of doing nothing. Let us ignore nothing fails like prayer in a children's hospital. Let us ignore a wicked generation seeks signs. Theologians grant the titles to each other without a deity certification. A deity unable to be acknowledged by everyone is a forgery based on literature. Oppression builds character among the dominated. Who do you think nailed the king of the Jews, when Imperial Rome controlled temples & publications? Just for the fun of it, have their Messiah say render to Caesar? My sheep hear my voice. Think not I come with peace, but sword. The literate of the age; built religions & made propaganda, devalued the currency, too. Marvel not I say you are all gods, and so on & so on. Faith is a fantasyland term, & the Christians hate to hear it. If faith had any value, then you could move mountains by voice-command. We know there is no god outside of fiction. Freud wrote the antidote to Christianity is literacy. The Christians slapped their books on the Old Testament, & the Mormons glued theirs on to them both, thus proving Christians lack quality-control. Think not I come with peace, but sword. I come to divide this that and the other thing, & I give you tax exempt status. "Furthermore, whenever any person or group of persons in a position of great power, and without the full knowledge and consent of the public, uses such knowledge and methodology for economic conquest -- it must be understood that a state of domestic warfare exists between said person or group of persons and the public." You can't be serious. God is an absurdity outside of fiction. It is the religious who don't have ears to hear, being a wicked generations seeking signs. These are the wolves in sheep's clothing: My sheep hear My voice. Even Jesus The Nailed, says faith is worthless if you can't move mountains by voice-command.

​@@Stupidityindex you really spent over a thousand words writing a bunch of statements and questions but you haven't backed any of your statements up with arguments. Yet you mentioned literacy, maybe you should study that.

Dave: John Lennox is one of my all-time favorites. I learned recently that one of his professors was C.S. Lewis! No wonder he is so brilliant.

megalopolis2015 One person’s “brilliance” is another’s DELUDED fool. 😛

@@TheWorldTeacher And guess what? You are the fool on the hill

@@thejma724 I would insult you back, Silly Sinful Slave, but the fact that you are a fully self-obsessed, deluded FOOL is sufficient insult in itself ;-) “Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish.” Euripides

Brilliance humor and love and a stupid deluded fool like you

Really, where? What a load of waffle, with a few scientific references thrown in to sound good but which he doesn't actually understand.

It sounds like a critique of your own comment rather than on Dr. Lennox’s talk.

@@bobwilkinson2008 Lennox is not alone in the scientifical world who can easily explain away evolution and aliens. Science can't exist without a creator, God, and evolutionists and ancient alieners alike are by definition science counterfeiters. Life, on Earth and throughout the cosmos explains God and creation. You people simply don't care for honesty.

@@markuse3472 Lennox isn't in the scientific world. He doesn't explain anything of any use. You are delutional if you think science can't exist without a creator. Evolution is proven, you're not doing yourself any favours by denying facts. Life on Earth IS explained without a god. I can't speak for the cosmos and neither can you. If there was any proof of any god, things might be otherwise, but until then...

@@bobwilkinson2008 Give some examples for why you can't support what Lennox said.

Obviously it can if you think that "God" created everything. It wasn't here and then he created the Earth in what was it...7 days?

Yeah. Read something non-fictional.

BamfFromLA Really, there is a difference between creating something, and something randomly springing to life. God created everything, it didn't just spring to life. Robert is not wrong.

FLiX Fury If you guys would only study the subjects against which you're arguing, you'd "know" what the fuck you're saying. Science is what we know. We're not guessing. It's not important, or relevant, what one believes when it's absolutely not based in fact. What do you guys know? Make a risky prediction about tomorrow and I'll see you then.

don leavell You don't know that God doesn't exist. And I have studied both sides of the argument. I have an amateur understanding of each. I've chosen the way of Christianity and the belief of creation because evolution doesn't follow along logically with itself.

+Michael Avila It was not a response to his book at all. It was a response to either the fact that Lennox did not understand his book, or it was a response to Lennox lying about what the book said. I suggest you the read the book, rather than take Lennox's word for what it says. Either way, it made Lennox look like a fool or a liar for anybody who had actually read Hawking's book.

+Metal Budgie nope. not at all. you're mistaken

+Michael Avila So you have read Hawking's book?

+Metal Budgie yeah sure. this guy is using simple logic to defeat the main argument of the book.

+Michael Avila Awesome, so can tell me the first sentence on page 94?

Isn't he also a superstitious old fool?

@@vuho2075 no, but like any form of light he does attract his share of moths.

I totally agree with you he's brilliant at making millions for himself

@@mick1gallagher do you think every educated and intelligent apologist is a con?

@@RMGWOO what are you trying to say God looked after John very well so John could live in luxury John is a multimillionaire from this racket God seems to have ignored children in Africa starving and being eaten alive by flies but took great care of john

@@mick1gallagher I asked you if you think all educated religious people are con artists. How can you infer from that question that I am saying God looked after John Lennox as opposed to the children of Africa? You're going to have a hard time charging others with irrationality when you come on like that. People who believe in God don't think that God personally orchestrates all the happenings of the world. Book sales are clearly not examples of divine intervention, considering that John Lennox's main opponents are multimillionaire authors themselves, and they have much larger audiences in their native countries. Richard Dawkin's work is more popular in the UK, and Sam Harris' is more popular in the US, and I would imagine that both of them are more popular than John Lennox across the commonwealth also. As for Africa, similarly to the book sales, economics isn't a venture of God. People starve in Africa because the leaderships of most African countries deny the implementation of free markets because they want to maintain control through beurocratic cronyism and totalitarianism. Free markets lead to opportunity and independent prosperity. The periods in history when African nations have implemented these systems they have seen massive reductions in poverty. The data is out there if you want to navigate the world with more reliable information than just the cliches you offered me. No offense, but what you said was weak. I'm not trying to belittle you, but man-to-man that's the truth. By the Christian faith the intervention of God is upon request. Individuals have been given free will. Though they are part of a creation they have enclosed within them the individual identity, hence the notion that they are made in God's image. That's what that means. Suffering is a part of the experience of living but it is not of such dire consequence to God in a similar fashion to how you would not panic about a character in a video game being killed when you it's just a game. By the christian view there is at the basis of all individuals an immortal soul. This is the player of the game. Have you put any serious effort into finding out if the naturalist/materialist view holds up at its basis? You might be surprised. It's not just Christian apologists that see the holes in these theories. And if the holes are there to be seen by all those who go and look, why is it that they aren't common knowledge? I would suggest taking that same skeptical eye of yours and focusing it on the people who profit from belief in materialism.

@@RMGWOOso as another deluded fool said on RU-vid the children in Africa find themselves in this predicament because of the sins of the world and John found himself in his predicament because God likes him its frightening what religion can get sane people to believe

Why do you think atheists and scientists use their sharp minds for their own glory?

Caleb Marquardt Atheists-scientists are continuously campaigning for more and higher regard and adoration of Science so that upon any scientific discovery or invention they will receive honor , fame and glory as the heroes of this planet and mankind , not God

BLUEBIRD Examples please?

Caleb Marquardt Ashamed to claim they are heroes and the brightest of this world , Godless scientists is doing their best for people to be Science dependents and devotees . As the love of Science ( not God ) is established and inculcated in people's minds their desire to earn or reap honor / glory is assured . Or since scientists and science are inseparable these Godless scientists are honored by people w/ adoration to science and by themselves . every time there is scientific discovery or invention . Example of this - A Godless Scientist who became Nobel Prize winner

BLUEBIRD I'm not even sure what to make of your paragraph.

Where?

I mostly agree but most mathmatical formulas are descriptions of the natural world. We haven't a clue what energy, gravity, magnetism etc are. We just observe and measure what happens consistently and give the properties of what's seen a name to designate it. As we understand more we are able to take advantage of it. Its a given thing that we forget our dependence of consistency in the universe. Scientists these days need a big helping of humble pie.

jamie Russell Hi Jamie, not sure you really understand what you just said. According to what you said we do not know what a flowers are, we just observe and measure them and give them a names. Humans may be dependent on the cosmological constants, but that presupposes that the universe was made for US. We have no idea what life may have formed and how if the universe was made a "different" way. In fact if gravity was different we may be stronger live longer or have evolved to be shorter and lived as long as turtles. We do KNOW what energy, gravity, and magnetism are. To say we do not, is to say we do not "know" anything. Everything we KNOW is observed. When you turn the door knob and the door unlocks and opens, you know this will happen, because you have observed it, and it does it consistently. That is knowledge.

The entire universe is information. Information implies intelligence. I'm convinced we're going to climb the mountain to find the explanation of ultimate reality, and the theologians will be right there at the top, saying, "I told you so; knowledge, wisdom, information -- it's all from God!"

Dd S, hahaha.....Dr. James Tour is one of the top organic chemists in the world today and a Christian as well, I guess his faith is what sets you off

@@Jamie-Russell-CME agreed but we all do ♡

Which god? We invented so many of them. ;-)

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Theresa Metcalf Do you know something we don’t then ???

You believe something came from nothing ... Atheists make no claims about creations, they just don't buy the theists claim.

You're kidding obviously. The old fool is good at word salad but other than that...

Strange if you believe that sort of nonsense!

@Achilleskneel Utter bullshit! Get educated!

GeoCoppens Present. An. Argument. Refute. Something.

@@AudioGardenSlave123 "Mathematics almost certainly rules out a purely Naturalistic model of the origin of life." Mathematics NEVER DOES this!

@Achilleskneel Where do you think intelligent life begins...? Heard of eukaryotes? We have life! And not from some celestial entity. That is infantile! Do science and don't believe fantastic nonsense!

When you go out and meet people, make a point of talking less and listening more. The more you listen to what other people have to say the more you learn to your advantage. Always control conversations by asking questions and when a topic comes up that you are interested in, casually ask questions that are important to your education. You will remember my words when you are in conversation with someone. All kinds of routes will appear if you listen more and talk less.

Incredibly deluded

Rod Almond "Is it possible because Dawkins is so irrational, that his disease affected his brain?" You mean like religion is affecting your brain? Moron.

+loreto juelar A question & no offense: U thank God for creating u & for the animals u kill & eat. U thanking God for choosing u to have a life implies God ignored the many dead infants born in the same minute as u. U thanking God for recovering from a sickness implies God ignored many dead patients while u were sick. Don't u see how religion business with its imaginary God exploits your hypocrisy selfishness narcissism arrogance gullibility vulnerability & ignorance to fool u into feeling special in your delusional mind?

Atam: You say "no offense" when you call Loreto "delusional"? That is a page out of Dawkins book for sure. :0)

@@AtamMardes Atam, in order to claim God isn't be just, you have to make the case that God has no logical reasons for the suffering in the world. Good luck. This is an impossible task.

@@milkshakeplease4696 Sammy, you need to first prove God is not just a figment of your brainwashed delusional imagination, then pretend to represent God.

That's weak. If you had a real god, you'd put up. And you would win the Nobel for the most important discovery, etc. But it's misunderstood allegory, even by the snot-nosed children who have ignored science and left us 31st in education. Good work. Can't distinguish reality from fantasy. Peace.

+don leavell yeah! Here we have another example of exactly what I was talking about. Anyway, there are lots of evidences for a designer, but what do you need? a photograph of him? Wait, a peer-reviewed photograph of him maybe.

+don leavell Even naturalists admit the clear appearance of design in life and in the universe, so YOU guys must prove the contrary. Go ahead..

+kc collette Well I actually was talking about Dawkins. But maybe he is just not a naturalist. My bad. That doesnt prove anything, but is quite ironic.

kc collette"Even naturalists admit the clear appearance of design in life and in the universe" "The difference is one of complexity of design. Biology is the study of complicated things that give the appearance of having been designed for a purpose" - The Blind Watchmaker - Chapter 1 - 2nd paragraph

Best reply on this thread. But who believes it? Only the ones that accept Gods love.

+George Lianos LOL. Jesus is mostly a fictional character posthumously glorified by fake backdated prophecies & fake miracle stories like virgin birth, resurrection & walking on water copied from: Attis 1200 BC, Krishna 900 BC, Dionysos 500 BC & Zoroaster 600 BC. Church uses fake images as bait: tinyurl.com/jqsdj6o & tinyurl.com/jm8wryq Religion has got u by the balls.

George: Simple, yet not at all easy. I am glad that people like Lennox, Zacharias, Craig and Ramsden are here to point at the obvious things about God so many of us refuse to see.

It's easy if you're simple minded.

George Lianos, it is only simple to those who hear the Shepherds voice. And respond.

atam mardes, how sad for you to believe that. It is a false statement you have made and one you will learn is false in the end.

What crap

Which God's creation?

@@bitebonumbere1426 I’m sorry you’re an atheist.

The act of discovery is a representation of God's Love for us as well. God is Awesome!!!!!!! ♡ He has lavioused us with His Love.

No, it’s not. Being born is the discovery of God’s creation.

Wise, as in either deluded or conning people?

Not only is John Lennox an intellectual powerhouse, but he is totally huggable. :0)

Lennox is a heavyweight crackpot!

No, he's just deluded.

Alex North What... that’s all we get, he’s just deluded “. On what grounds can you qualify this statement, because I’m not buying it as if you never said it. Here is a man who’s education is extensive. He’s been around like minds most of not all of his life and I quite sure he knows to cover all of his bases before he even speaks. So if you’re going to make such claims... then I’m hoping that they’re back up with just as much thought.

Alex North, Obviously you read the God delusion and you believed every word in it. Ha Hah Hah

I find it incredibly grating and arrogant... it certainly carries plenty of BS.

Yes his voice is comforting, not a hint of arrogance. For such an intelligent man he’s quite humble.

It reminds me of the power of satan.

Yeah, but nothing else about him. Talk some sense man.

Lmao this honestly made me laugh. Such rationality and logic atheism offers. Truly incredible

lol strawman fail

+euhonod yerffej This is simply a cop out based on twisted use of the English language.Be honest..atheists simply don't want to admit they believe there is no God because they'll be trapped in being asked for proof of some kindwhich they have never been able to do.It's simply based on faith (Unlike the honest agnostics) and is therefore a religious world view:We, as rational individuals, all know its true except the atheists themselves. When, and only when, they understand that they indeed belong to a religion, then we can get down as to who holds the most accurate and truthful religion out there. For Atheists to attempt to claim "neutrality", in reference to God, is a complete cop out and disingenuous intellectually. They have indeed picked a side. They choose their religion based on what they believe is evidentiary to their presuppositions. Denying what they believe, and hold as truth, may be an easier pill for them to swallow but they are only attempting to deceive themselves.

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Yeah I'm a theist too brother, but was that last part an attack on dinosaurs, such as anti-evolution of was that just how you stated it? I'm kind of a theistic evolutionists by the way.

Lawrence Krause’ definition of nothing is not nothing. It’s quantum fluctuations in vacuum.

Atheists are neo-pagans; their primitive concept of gods is pure philosophical illiteracy, like that concept of gods held by jungle tribesmen dancing naked around a fire.

If God were to be created he is not the Creator God is Eternal.

“Murder of the unborn” 🤦‍♂️

Just being rude doesnt prove anything. You dont have to be here. So if you dont like him leave. But you want to stay because you know there is truth in his words...

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theology is unnecessary because Hawking, Sean Carroll, Lawrence Krauss have been able to created model of the universe to fit the data without invoking god...this Lennox guy is only picking on Hawking because he's not there to defend himself... I want to see him debate Sean Carroll.... You have to prove that your god exists without including the god of the gaps first

***** lennox found 3 points of logical fallacy in Hawkings work. He also assumes much of it. Krauss has been hammered by a fellow Professor of physics for dishonesty. And there is a debate with Lennox and Dr Ravi zacharias against Hawking. Hawking is not as intelligent as he thinks he is. And all those 3 guys are chance of the gaps theorists. Saying millions of years did it is no different than saying God did except saying that an intelligence(which most honest physicists actually concur) did it which we can see in our universe through physics is far more rational. Multi award winning physicist Dr Paul davies stated that the laws of of our universe are designed to allow life to exist, with pin point accuracy...that is not a random thing. Only an intelligent mind could of done that. Cosmologist for NASA John o'keefe also said our universe has evidence of design by intelligence. Hawkings work is ancient now and isn't relevant. Neil degrasse tyson is also in trouble for stating opinion instead of facts in his cosmos documentary. He's also been deleted from wickipedia. I'd like to see a debate between creationist Astro physicist Dr Jason lisle ph.D. And Tyson. "I think only an idiot can be an atheist. We must admit that there is a great power or force of intelligence in our universe that got it all started in the first place" Christian anfinsen, Biochemist and nobel laureate

Steven Pounsett "Multi award winning physicist Dr Paul davies stated that the laws of of our universe are designed to allow life to exist, with pin point accuracy...that is not a random thing..." It seems like you're underestimating your god, because if he was omnipotent he'd created any life in any condition he/she want... Plus can you define life and how do you know another form of life couldn't exist if the conditions changed? plus which parameter are you talking about? "Saying millions of years did it is no different than saying God did except saying that an intelligence(which most honest physicists actually concur) did it which we can see in our universe through physics is far more rational." Well say billion of years, through biological evolution, by natural selection, it's not magic, it's well explained if you actually looked at the evidence...God did it has no explanatory power, and Stephen Hawking isn't a biologist to explain how life evolved in a physics book.. "Cosmologist for NASA John o'keefe also said our universe has evidence of design by intelligence." Just because it looks designed doesn't necessarily means it is, you have to demonstrate that... In fact how do we demonstrate design? we do it by comparing designed things from things that occur naturally...For example a watch was design, but sand wasn't design it occurred naturally... A robot is designed, but humans occur naturally etc... I think only idiots are creationists because as people say if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail...which pretty much summarizes the creationist arguments.."it looks designed therefore it is designed..." very dumb

***** oh you're one of those... What dawkins says is ridiculous. Just because it looks designed it wasn't??? That makes no sense, hes in such self delusion its not funny. He's basically saying if it looks like a duck, acts like a duck and sounds like a duck its... its bottle nosed doplphin. Ummm no richard... its a duck. You just refuse to admit that. he said the cell has all the hall marks of an ingenious engineered machine... yet he thinks random unguided processes and accumulation of error did it???? Dawkins is obviously in the early stages of dementia.. and denialism. When was the last time he or anyone saw something as complex as a cell come from natural unguided processes? Geez I know guys with masters degrees in chemisty(also studying theology) and masters degrees in engineering who think he's a loony. And there is absolutely no scientific way to prove if anything evolved at all. Even the famous evolutionist Stephan j gould admitted that. Professor David snoke, a leading biologist and researcher for intelligent design has also said he and many colleagues are training up a new generation of young scientists to think like enginners. So in conclusion if it looks designed its probably not is one giant cop out. For people like you that do not want to admit the blatantly obvious design in our universe. By the way astro physicist Neil degrasse tyson is currently in a bit of strife for citing opinion other than fact in his Cosmos documentary. He has also been deleted from wickipedia. I wonder how many other evolutionists are going to follow. Because assumption is not scientific fact. By the way

***** you might like to read up on Nuclear physicist Dr Lee spetner ph.Ds book The Evolution revolution. In it he shows how natural selection is not evolution and that new genetic information cannot arise from copying error. But any computer programmer could tell you that. Also there is research by associate professor of molecular genetics Dr Georgia purdom ph.D Shes written over 120 plus research papers for secular and creationist journals. Also she's written about very recent discoveries in our DNA Found a whole new set of undiscovered coding and more. Also geneticist ph.D jeffrey Tomkins has done the same and Dr jake Hebert ph.D DNA is itself evidence of an intelligent designer. "The God of the Bible is also the God of the genome, he can be worshipped in the cathedral and lab" Former atheist turned christian Professor francis collins ph.D geneticist. Also look up the research by Russ Humphreys phD. Also ex evolutionist turned creationist.

Atheists always accuse others of what they themselves do. Why? It misdirects people from focusing on the atheist to defending themselves and even Lennox falls for this trap. The trap is natural to all narcissists.

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Clearly "few" if you think it was stimulating. A deluded old fool more like

His allusion was, the very nature of the laws of Thermodynamics and Gases or even those of Physics didn't bring about the Jet Engine. How do you miss that?

Carmel Pule thinks that Lennox skill in rhetoric is some kind of trick, lol. You can remove the pathos from the speech, if you prefer, and the arguments still remain valid.

And yet he totally meant for you to drink the koolaid that you believe isn't even there.

Ah, so you just don't know about quantum fields.

@@schmetterling4477 explain please with cites.

@@ApplesAndOranges1 That's what science class in high school is for and university. I can't give you a lifetime of learning in a post. You failed to learn, so now you don't know.