Leopard 2 vs Ka-52 Alligator: Fighting in Ukraine 

and Russian weapons are out of stock or all rusted at best

I heard that the Russians were only left with shovels to fight...... This comes as a surprise

I see mostly Russian lovers making the claim that we said that.

@@AureliusLegionaire ты хочешь сказать, что тысячи комментариев о том какая у нас дерьмовая советская/ российская техника, в течение многих лет писали только украинские боты? У этой войны уже есть один большой плюс, с нетерпением ждём f-16, угадай зачем.

Funny you guys didn’t mention that before Ukraine received those western vehicles

The tail has not much effect because it doesn't have a tail rotor ,thanks the concentric counter rotating pair of rotors that negates the need for tail rotor.

need to destroy all bridges on dnieper river to have peace

What a pointless comment. Cool story bro. Guess you didn’t know how the 2 rotors on the chopper works and why it doesn’t have a tail rotor.

@@zeitgeistx5239 average redditor comment

​@@zeitgeistx5239cry.

Possibly. Ukraine claims (and of course it is just a claim - no visual evidence provided - so pinch of salt) to have shot down 6 KA-52s in recent days. This would be possible with NASAMS.

Appach Longbow was doing 11 km 15 years ago. The Hellfire long bow missile is fire and forget unlike the Russian missiles. The reality is that the Ka 52 are firing from deep inside their own territory and Ukraine lacks SHORADS

1 manpad, aaa guns, missile systems doesn’t sound safe to me. Helicopters can only fly so fast. Missiles will outrun it any day so will big bullets. But in this case it’s an fing tank it’s not meant to engage helicopters

@@Jermo7899 when you add combined arms this becomes interesting. Soldiers hunkered down on the front line can get a drone up with a camera and a laser, or just their own ground based target designators and illuminate the target. The helicopter stands off 9 km away, out of line of sight acting like a glorified missile truck, fires blind and the missile picks up the laser reflection mid flight. The helicopter does not need to see the target, just get the missile in the air in the general area, and local terminal guidance from the front line takes over, keeping the helicopter out of harm's way.

@@Jermo7899 10km is way too much my man for manpad to be effective. u need to see it first, then to prepare equipment and then to aim and then to shoot. takes too much time. chopper does job in min-2 and then runs away. Besides. even if u shoot there is chance u will miss becasue chopper has defensive system for manpad rockets. don't know it's name google it. its not 100% eeffective though

It 's just that the designers thought the more , the scarier they are 🤣

International MaXXPro is like 12 feet tall 🫠

Мы всегда удивлялись огромной технике НАТО. Но не надо забывать что все что воюет это советское. Не российское.

@@user-jr1wo9ot7e ка-52 создан в России, а вот ка-50 советский. не забывайте так же про модернизации и от советского у него только кузов. Та же история и с танками

@@user-jr1wo9ot7e 🤦идиот

It's amazing what a shovel can do from 10km away...

And the pilots were probably very very very hungry and demoralized

😂😂😂😂

Brits have that starstreak shovel thing.

'in fact we aren't even convinced the Ka-52 can fly"

do as I say, not as I do

The Austrain painter was a big fan of Napoleon, then he made the same mistake,attacking Russia.

Napoleon was a military genius for sure but he did not teach the Duke of Wellington how to fight and twas he who ended Napoleon's career.

@@Twirlyhead Wellington made his reputation while fighting in Spain and not against Napoleon. Not to say that he was without some skill. Napoleon's career was ended in Russia and then at the Battle of the Nations - Leipzig. Waterloo was an afterthought, - mostly a defensive action until the arrival of Blucher. Wellington's main achievement at Waterloo was not to have done anything stupid until the Prussians' arrival. At best, Wellington is to Napoleon what Scipio Africanus was to Hannibal.

@@paullooney2522 *It can be seen that Biden's grandfather loves Napoleon, and Scholz loves the Austrian artist, and the fate of them all will be the same!*

That's not the point here. It's - so to speak - "perfectly fine" that they managed to land one or two hits. The main issue is the response to that. A response that is drilled into armored or mechanized German units ... Your column gets hit unexpectately and you go "Smoke! Backward! Double quick!". Change position! Don't wait for orders! Move for F*** sake. The irritating fact here is: Since this is so elementary of the way we fight, and these units were actually trained by us: How can this happen? And one frustrating explantion is: On a higher echelon there was some Soviet-era reservist officer, some moron, who tried to use his nomograms, his training just with slightly better technology.

no need to try to come up with some pluses and additions to the obvious facts, he was helped by a sight, he was helped by an advanced thermal imager, he was helped by advanced electronics, no .. dear friend, it's all about the experience of pilots and an obedient car, early on-board fire control systems were also effective at the expense of the pilots, the point is the laying between the helm and the helicopter .. of course, improvements make it possible to perform the task more efficiently, but this is a maximum of 15 percent of the total .. Ukraine just clearly showed

Those thermal sights are scrounged off of scrapped washing machines

@@eugenebelford9087 , You have a bad idea what Soviet tactics are :) It is NATO that has problems with tactics, which is not surprising, given the lack of experience in wars with an equal opponent. Just for an example. Until recently, M1 tanks did not have high-explosive shells to fight enemy infantry. While in Soviet tanks, two-thirds of the ammunition consisted of high-explosive shells, since the main purpose of tanks, in Soviet tactics, is just fighting enemy infantry, supporting their infantry with fire.

@@LexxoID1 , As they say in Russia: artillery is the God of war. It is the artillery that accounts for up to 90% of all targets hit. This is the Soviet tactic :)

Its scary i know :D I also like Kamov Ka-50 and its insane considering its only 1 person that would die if it gets taken down.

Definitely my all-time favourite heli, it just ticks every "cool" box.

...and its sounds as well.

In addition to looking cool, it is also effective.

@@frog382 hey that sounds bad. Weirdly, hearing 1000 soldiers dying doesnt feel as bad as just one person dying.

They haven't really taken out any radar or anti air systems, the aircraft are just too low to be detected/engaged. They take a risk being hit by manpads, but when there is essentially a 100% chance they will be shot down by other systems, they take that chance.

@@probablyinconsistent4756 they did take down a lot of radars, Iris-T, s300 but as you say they fly very low may be 100 feet above the ground and stay away from enemy terriotries

@@probablyinconsistent4756 You are sadly mistaken. Lot's of proof out there to be seen.

Mõm thủ thôi, giỏi vào chơi khi có đủ cả các thứ... vì ở đó chẳng thiếu gì các hệ thống phòng không Mỹ, Pháp, Đức... các chuyên gia quân sự nato... nhưng bị đăng xuất sớm nên ucr chỉ còn đi vào mà chẳng có gì cả.

definitely not an american way of using the tank. american assault is a well tuned orchestra while this is just another russian doctrine in practice with western weapons =fail

Еще меркава неплохо в патриоте встанет

@@zov_777 😆😆😆👍👍👍👍

В Европе очень много умалчивают о нас о русских К сожалению

i think russian weapons is at par if not better compared to western weapons, the only big difference here is the tactics

Sooooooooo many Germany Leopards were blown up by Russian "Krasnopol" Munitions - Rockets/Drones and the Mud - they are NOT the NATO Wonder Weapon they said - it was all a Big Hype and on the Battlefield they are Useless - same with the Bradleys and French AMX-10 Tanks ! And some People really believed The Western Propaganda - ha-ha-ha-ha ! Bravo Russia Bravo and Glory to Mother Russia !!!!

@@r2hildur Yeah, they can counter 4th gen stuff and maybe NATO tanks but they don't have a counter for 5th gen stuff yet.

@@r2hildur new NATO equipment is far more expensive but not tactically much better. Not only that the expense adds to logistical problems which further reduce their combat effectiveness. Look at artillery, just cause NATO has guided shells doesn't mean Russia doesn't have them, Russia just doesn't need them and not only that russias artillery is much more resilient. Russias drones appear better as well as missiles. Certainly Russias tanks are better for the terrain than modern USA tanks would be. Russias fighters are also able to operate in more conditions, and nato's air defense is drastically lacking. Youve been told nato's stuff is better cause it's more expensive but more expensive is a negative not a positive

​@@testingmysoup5678so your actually trying to convince us that the Russian military is superior to the US military? Bahahahaha 😆😆😆

touché....:)

it seems that the expectations that everything will kill tanks these days, from artillery, to drones, to soldiers with javelins, to mines (laid by artillery) Everything except other tanks. We've seen like.... 2 videos of "Tank fighting" from the BIGGEST tank army in the world, who's the most proud of it's tanks. And that says a lot. And the successful videos of tanks attacking targets is even less. I mean by god - we even have videos of IFV's taking out tanks.

@@RazorsharpLT so Russia should just drive around and only shoot with ukro tanks that are the same tanks that Russia have? and ukros promise to not use rpg or artillery/mines while Russians are trying to find those ukros hiding in caves? Why dont you go there to film tank vs tank`?

The worst weapon to hit you, however, is that of swallowing your own propaganda. The western media shouted for so long that all the russian helicopters have been effectively removed, that these tank soldiers believed it, and thought it was an acceptable risk, to drive about willy-nilly, without adequate cover. 🤦‍♂

sound expectations were victim of the propaganda boomerang effect

Ah, someone directly quotes Chris. That's literally in the video.

@@johndoehler8047 SU-25SM3.

@@johndoehler8047 Wiki says that Ka-52 carries them also

@@johndoehler8047 It is possible that they would be theoretically capable of utilising them but their fire control system is a lot more primitive and would either not use the missiles efficiently or would require outside lasing support to guide them in

it was said in some video that russians utilized leopard weakness. so drones and attack helicopters are best for that. and it was imho reason why demage on tanks was mainly on left rare part of tank. this is probably that weak spot...

... You realize like 4 Ka-52s have been lost in the past week, right?

It's more of the advantage of being the defender. The KA-52 has always had IR supressor systems and had EM and laser counter measures systems and the RUSI report claimed that they were quite effective early in the war, it's just that they were overwhelmed by the sheer number of MANPADS being used when Russia was on the offense doing penetration attacks or near the front line with multiple defenders lying in ambush when the KA-52 got too close to their lines. Here the KA-52 can sit comfortable behind Russian defending lines and engage penetrating Ukrainian Armor since there are no, or very few likley Ukrainian scouts that are ahead of the penetrating armor force, with MANPADS and sadly most of Ukraines SHORAD defense system have been relegated more and more to stop drone and missile attacks targeting Ukrainian infastructure.

​​​@@wolfbyte3171 I will be doing what every person did when Russia said they destroyed some leopard tanks, asking do you have any prove of 4 helicopter being lost, any image or video? If not Ukraine's claim is as credible as Russian claim of destroying the Patriot air defense system.

@@wolfbyte3171 and a fifth one was hit in the tail but survived to land.

@@wolfbyte3171 still no evidence just claims.. just like Kinzhal missiles all claims

Ага, да, и именно поэтому потеряно уже 36 Ка-52 ;)

@@benzobak это где ты так насчитал? /// пруфы//?

@@benzobak Тебе бабка возле подъезда сообщила?

@@benzobak для таких наглых залëтов к столице противника 36 вертолëтов потерять - это капля в море. При толковой ПВО, каким бы крутым вертолëт ни был, его бы сносили пачками не только ПЗРК, но и ЗРК и ЗРПК...но не на Украине, потому что все Тунгуски/Шилки/Буки не то в запое были в те дни, не то за свой зад опасались.

@@saint_alucardwarthunder759 уже - 44 ✍️

The problem is Ka-52 perception from early war was plagued by war propaganda. Western helicopters wouldn't do any better in this kind AA heavy environment. Ka-52 is the best attack helicopter airframe currently in service, it's also the only attack helicopter in service that features eject seats. However, it doesn't feature fire-and-forget weaponry Western helicopters have, but with Lemur that is changing too. Electronics are also probably worse than in western counterparts, but as we saw, they are much better than speculated.

Like every air attack on ground units without AA that’s ever occurred.

@@edc1569 The question is, are those tv generals as stupid as they've been looking and the ones still in are the same or they just don't care how many ukies die? Both?

Than tanks were mostly stopped by mines. You can see the craters caused by the mines.

@@williamzk9083 lol, that's artillery

@@sergeig685 So you are telling me Russian shells have primitive fuses that penetrate dirt and waste all their energy there? The tracks were blown off.

Yep the President S system

It's also because they outrange any Air-Defense systems currently or rather, there's a severe lack of SHORAD systems...

​@@shimadwan8251 The President-S system is the export version, which, of course, has the worst performance. L-370 Vitebsk is installed on Russian helicopters and planes.

@@JohnSmith-gd6ej not after Experience in Ukraine 2023..it is a learning experience. SEAD mission today is a DEAD mission tomorrow

For a MANPAD to hit a target at 10km it has to lock, then travel that distance. More than enough time to complete the pop-up manoeuvre and drop back below cover for the Ka-52. And no doubt the look before they commit to a shot.

Attack helicopter are a hard counter to anything that is not AA. And even then the shorter range AA is countered by long range attack helicopters

To make it even worse, attack helicopter could just inform artillery about enemy position and zoom off if it is too dangerous to attack by itself.

@@mekolayn AH is superior to MBT, IFV or any other ground mobility platform because of two things: guided missile with greater effective range vs unguided projectile with far less effective range. It's basically an unfair fight.

@@incognito1409 Russian helicopters lack stealth and are easy prey for SAM's. Ukrainian commanders failed to bring their air defense assets forward, and that is the only reason the Russians were successful.

@@EDesigns_FL First of all, stealth is irrelevant if you can deliver stand-off attacks from good distances at intended targets. Thd AH is not designed or intended to break through enemy radar and act in a lead-in role. So stealth is a redundant capability (also very expensive by the way). Secondly, your point is moot as there is no AH currently on the market anywhere. Again, read point 1. Third, the greatest threat to any AH is not SAM capability but MANPAD at close-in ranges. The Alligator has a CM pod to deal with those. No AH is designed to counter SAM threats, that's the job of other systems.

The difference in Russian military and Ukrainian military, as well as their motivations/justifications is staggering.

To be fair, that's how it is in the comment section for pretty much every youtube video about the conflict.

«Russian success» what is that? Unless they take the entire Donbass in a few weeks and all sanctions are lifted and millions move back to Russia there is no «success». They gain nothing good at this point. Only reason they are still fighting is because Putin’s regime is dependent upon it. They spent 8 months attacking with little to no gains. Other than a few kilometers here and there. We will have to wait a few months to see how Ukraine’s attacks goes

@@pistonburner6448 that’s just opinion not unbiased analysis of military operations within a conflict.

@@RaV591 “unbias” ther literally was some spooky music on when he was talking about Russian success

and a complete artillery advantage, nearly equal manpower, and if the Ukrainians manage to do a crazy breakthrough a massive multilayered defense

Russia lost 4 KA-52 in the last few days in the same theater. Another KA-52 was hit in the tail by MANPAD but it managed to escape. There was a video of the last one limping.

The Russians are shooting at max distance during the night. The land is very flat which allows the Russian helicopter to stay low to the ground. This is by chance not because the Russians actually did something, notice Russians air power stays far away. It does not matter how many radar can see them ..

​@@citizenfoffie7605the artillery advantage is the only thing keeping Russians alive in Ukraine. The Ukrainians have shown to have better fighting ability and maneuvers.

​@@ThangTran-bj4wethat's just claimed by ukranians. it is fake until evidence is provided

Наши русские лётчики ждали и молились чтобы украинцы поехали именно к ним, ведь за подбитую западную технику они получили призы. Как красиво горели леопарды и Бредли 🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺😆😆😆

I'm sorry your father tried to sell you for a pack of cigarettes. But you survived and should take comfort in that.

@@Humorless_Wokescold I’m sorry your father didn’t came back with milk 🥛

@@user-bm8cp7wp5p You guys are still not winning, russia should be in kyiv by now which they aren't.

@@user-bm8cp7wp5p coitado do orc russo acha que vai ganhar a guerra A Rússia já perdeu mais de 200 mil soldados Podem mandar mais que a Ucrânia dízima todos😂😂😂😂😂

The issue there is that the German Leopards have a Trophy APS, which have a 95% effectiveness rate against even heavy Kornets, while the ones sent to Ukraine do not. It's a blackbox tech that is currently exclusive to Israel (who developed it), the USA (who helped fund its development and installed it on Abrams), and Germany (who bought it for their Leopards). The UK is testing it on Challengers, but haven't finalized the deal. The countries that have it have an incentive to keep it exclusive, as it's the best on earth right now.

@@alejrodr probably IDF operations

@@davidquak4398 Against rag tag groups I guess. Israel has very particular needs that dont apply universally unless you are in an insurgency conflict against flip flopers

​@@joek600maybe, but they have a lot of armoured warfare experience. 1967 and 1973 come too mind.

@@davidquak4398 Thats 50 years ago. Im just saying that the Israelis are developing techs that suit THEIR needs but no matter how good the marketing, they dont necessarily apply everywhere.

We can't expect them to be invulnerable now that they use western equipment, or that it's all going to go perfect on the offensive because it won't, attacking like we see here is harder and costlier than on the defensive.

I mean technically the death of the tank or chopper is the end of the vehicle. 😂

But ukrainians dont have rocks against russian scissors. And scissors cut ukrainian paper like sheeps. 🤷‍♂️

@@PigeonHoot I would argue there is absolutely nothing special about western equipment. We are very good at telling people how good we are and how sophisticated we are etc etc but a weapon doesn't at all have to be sophisticated. It just has to be effective and you have to be able to mass produce it. Actually that last point is crucial. Case in point was the T34 tank. The Germans had better tanks, even though the Russians innovated with the T34 (sloped armour for example is an example of true innovation at the time), but the Russians had a very good tank that they could mass produce. That was a far better decision.

How many modernized T-72s could you buy for the cost of a single modern MBT from the west? - I'm guessing a fair amount and if that's the case the T-72 is vastly superior all things considered.

That's not possible; Russians are dumb, vodka-swilling conscripts, armed only with shovels, that will run away as soon as the shooting starts---they can't possibly learn, adapt, and fight bravely.

You are correct.

The problem is there’s not enough of them, various pre war numbers were between 100-140 with reports of 35-40 being destroyed with 4 or 5 being downed this week. Russia seems very slow to adapt and with UAF receiving various anti air assets who will also adapt

Source? I'd like to see how they have been upgraded. The fact that they are performing defensive actions from behind their own lines should give them an advantage against forward Ukrainian troops. Previously they tried to do invasive actions over the Ukrainian frontlines where, unsurprisingly, the defences cost many Ka-52s.

@@veeaa I believe you are spot on but Russians and their knee pad wearing fans are obsessed with adding another inch to their member.

^ This ^ Basically if it happens on the modern battlefield, a lot of things have failed. Which is why it almost never happens on the modern battlefield.

Yet it still happens, there are some videos of Russian tanks and IFVs running down the road and being ambushed by Ukrainian tanks from hull-down position. Sure, it does not happen often, but it happens from time to time. Anyway Im glad, that some (older, but still better than Leo1 and so on) Merkavas are most likely being sent to Ukraine, as Merkava tanks can at least carry troops and protect IFVs like Bradley/Marder/CV-90.

Biggest tank clashes during ww2 happened when one side just did a breakthrough an the other make a strike to stop a breakthrough. So yeah, not a great time for tank crews, they are not supposed to fight this way.

​@@papaversomniferum2365 Same videos exists from Russian side as well. Like the one video when one tank immobilized entire armored column, destroyed multiple tanks and IFWs and then retreated under smoke coverage. This is not tank vs tank warfare. It's called ambush.

@@MrZlocktar I know, both sides had their bad and good times, somehow Lancets "learned" how to penetrate a simple fence. Even being pro-Ukrainian I'm trying to be unbiased. Anyway - when tank/IFV fights another tank/IFV it should be considered as a vs battle - even during WWII tank warfare was mostly fought from concealed positions. Who hits first wins. If You're waiting for a gigantic clash like in 43' battle for Kursk it aint gonna happen - sorry :P Remember battle of 73 Easting? It was an ambush. On a freakin flat desert. No one is stupid enough to put tank vs tank without any ace in his sleeve - and this ace in sleeve is called an ambush or element of suprise :)

How do you know western vehicles don't have laser warning devices? Such systems have been available for decades. Perhaps they are not advertised. Russia boradcasts everything to try and sell tanks to india.

UKR needs fighter jets. That's a lesson that you don't even need to view the video to know.

@@raylopez99 yeah and how do you propose Ukraine gets trained pilots for them in a short time, not to mention they still have the massive problem of Russian air defense systems, so fighter jets would do very little, if anything at all to change this situation.

@@raylopez99 fighter jets will face the same fate as tanks when there are countless anti-air systems in place (advanced) due to Russia investing heavily in these decades ago.

​@@loganknezovich8394"Volunteers".Add in a cover story about stealing their planes during training flights and you can have F-35s on Ukraine in no time. I copied.this from an old soviet playbook.

Imagine how different this whole scenario would've been if Ukraine had Apaches, Tigers or Mangustas.

Next phase - Sarmat!

LAST PHASE: SATANA👹

На кадра удара ночью по дороге вертолет уничтожил самую опасную единицу, и это была заряженная машина с реактивной системой залпового огня Град.

The point is also that in the last 20-25 years (maybe more) people have been told: Russia is a third world country; In Russia, all military equipment is rusty scrap metal. And only the West knows how to make great tanks, planes, helicopters, etc. and so on.

It's even more simple than that: Unless you have overwhelming firepower in the air and on the field, an assault will ALWAYS come with losses...

not been into war but i have 1000 hours milsim cqb etc airsoft expirence they dont even paint there white faces

Yet you don't bother to give that same context to the Russians whenever they have their own similar misfortunes😂😅, coping clown

@@fellowsound1241 you airsoft experience means jack shit you larper lmfao

They got all their gear from a NATO Yard Sale.

Don’t forget that both sides can deploy minefield from far away with missiles too, so sometimes they go to enter in a road with no issue, but this road will be a minefield later when they go back.

They believe the CNN, BBC - NAFO hype instead of reality.....a common problem in today's society.

@@marco529 and it still kicks the corresponding russian equipment to hell when it comes face to face

Maybe they should try going on parallel across the minefield next time.

These videos definitely don’t look like the helicopter was 10km away. As for mobile radar, it seems like marine weather radars found on a lot of sport fishing boats could easily be adapted to this purpose. Even if they couldn’t get a weapons lock, they could let the ground units know that a chopper or drone is present and give the general direction. Then the troops could use their own thermal sights and engage with guns or MANPADs. Or just send some Gepards backed up by SHORAD units. It’s possible Ukraine might have to move a few NASAMS or Iris-T batteries closer to the front lines, even if it leaves cities somewhat less protected. Patriot can take care of most of the big stuff.

Patriot can't do anything, according to Scott Ritter, the Patriot system could not shoot down enough Soviet-made Scud missiles from Iraq

@@bluemarlin8138 ха ха. Gerard не поможет. Для этого им нужен ЗРК Тор, но кроме России его никто не производит. Есть что то похожее у Турции, но не понятно в каких количествах. Iris t уже подъезжал к ЛБС - уничтожили радар Ланцетом.

An any MBT must be instaled short radar & Manpads

​@@bluemarlin8138 You know they have magnification on their IR scopes right? This isn't seen with a blind eye. Also all of the Ukrainian air defences have been specifically targeted and wiped out over the last few months. Gepards, Patriots, and the few remaining S-300's are all in ruins to allow the KA-52's and Su -25's to roam freely. It's the first time Ukraine has tried to actually push the line which means coming out from behind what defensive fortifications they had and without that all important air cover they are paying a severe price. 8000+ causalities already, and countless tanks and hundreds of IFV's are confirmed destroyed in the last few weeks alone. All of that and they haven't even seen the first of the five Russian defensive lines. They are still in the grey zone between the two forces.

The Mi-28NM (More advanced version) is slightly better than the Ka-52 in general technology, but there is a new version of the Ka-52, which is the Ka-52M, which makes the helicopters almost identical in their capabilities. But the Ka-52 ends up winning on a small margin because of the amount of weapons it can carry, the tandem rotor and the ejector seats.

Mi-28 is more like a replacement for Mi-24, heavy assault helicopter. Ka-52 is lighter and more agile assault-recon

Mi-28 is as advanced as Ka-52 if not more but Ka-52 takes much more beating before it goes down. Also, it has more fire power if I'm not mistaken.

@@MGZetta I may easily be wrong but I get the idea behind the MI 28 was to attack at speed, following the style of the Apaches, whereas the Ka's are there to loiter at the edges and pop up to attack any unlucky convoys. The Ka-50 was able to do all of this with a solo pilot, letting the system do most of the targeting work. I do see the benefit of a co-pilot specifically for targeting though.

@@D64nz I don't know more than you do but it seems like Ka likes to lurk more than Mi. So you are probably right.

😂😂😂😂

Pitting Mr. Bean against anyone should be considered a violation of human rights. Noone survives the Bean.

They do not have MANPADs that can reach it. They do have vehicle base systems 9K33 Osa, Tor, Crotale, and perhaps some others with the required range.

That's absolute outlier max range of those MANPAD systems, not effective range. Effective range for most manpads is less then 5km, and more around 3-1km, espessialy against a non afterburning jet exhaust fitted with heat suppressors that most attack helicopters have. 10km range on the vikhr missile is also on the outer max limits, but they have the advantage that as long as nothing obstructs the laser they can still guide the missile as long as it's within the kinematic range of the missile, but with heat seeking missiles it's much harder to lock surpressed heat signitures at the max effective kinematic range of a manpads. Also a MANPADS has the disadvantage of having to work against gravity to reach it's target, while an air launched ATGM has gravity assisting it to a small degree.

​@@target844 they are all depleted or held back in Kiev to protect infrastructure, if not we would of seen them already on the frontlines

@@target844 Don't we have anything with a range of 20+ km like a pantsir like system? OSA and TOR are so few now i don't think they're willing to use them on the front

@@OrtonHeadXIV Not really, A Crotale perhaps? The problem is, we dont really favour SAMs as our airforce (NATO) takes care of the problem. While the russian realizes that they cant compete in the aviation game thus they invest more money into SAMs instead

He also forgot that the moment the search radar turns on (never mind the engagement radar locking the helo), the pilots of the Ka-52 will be promptly provided with the exact direction of the darwinistic dumb@ss who thought engaging an attack helicopter with a SPAAG at 10km was a good idea.

But the Gepard could have shot down the missiles fired from the helicopter and saved the tanks.

@@privatepyle3059 No

@@wilhelmeley6617 1 - totally agree 2 - a gepard in this exact situation, could not stand ahead of that collumn because it was advancing in a line through a minefield. SPAAG's are support, they should stay a little back 3 - search radar is irrelevant, engagement is important. With flat terrain and hugging the ground, the search radar might not have found him, and the engagement radar (different radar, the bulbous dome on the gepard turret front), it might not have been able to track him right, due to the difficulty of having a treeline, the helicopter might have just lightly peaked on top But even if it did, guns cannot engage at 5+km, and Vikhr was shot at the extreme range, which is about 8-9km (top is 10km). You need an SPAAG with missiles that can track, ideally with a radar (because FLIR might not pick him up at that range that well). Pantsir's missiles can hit at 18km for instance. 4 - not sure if IRIS-T system would have helped, they were blind though, the russians don't seem to have a fog of war anymore, they can see the whole battlefield.

@@koskok2965 why not? The missile flew more than 24 seconds

the winner is Russia, they gained land. CLEARLY a win.

Они и так в жопе, их не надо побеждать.

@Resterk Yes

I just remember a Call of Duty/Battlefield game trailer, where a F-35 pilot shoot a Su-57 using handgun while ejecting then goes back into the cockpit.

Because Rambo was a hefty muscle man, not a soy non-bnary lgbt +. Don't forget - Ukrainians were trained according to the NATO standard, in accordance with inclusiveness and tolerancy.

Russian ka52 only good for destroying Agricultural machines 🤣🤣🤡🇷🇺👉🏻🚜

@@kureed79 that was battlefield and it was rpg7 not a pistol. some player did the clip in bf3 back in the days. But dice add same kinda scene in battlefield 2042 trailer

lol😂

yessir

Any WT player, watching people get surprised by Ka-52 performance: *What did yall expect?*

It is the Hitler effect, built big weighty bulky vehicels wich satesfy ego but are otherwise useless on the Battlefield. If you plan for optimal conditions and you can't change your plans if you encounter an obstacle you are f-ed.

​@@jonathanzentelin2815Okay Ivan, 6 ruble for you

@@shirghazaycowboysdo you have any argument or are you just able to troll? I mean how is your living as a bot?

@@shirghazaycowboys hes right tho, those vehicles suck.

Sounds like propaganda nonsense. They're bigger but not much bigger.

Russian anti radar missiles are generally regarded as failures.

The hit in the video is a bradley.. it shots a missile just as the russian missile arrives...

@@Trikipum there has also been numerous videos of them actually hitting leopards but nice nitpick

@@spidersaremean8917 nope, there aren’t much videos out there, just different angles of the same video mostly but maybe you mean the video where they take out harvesters, lol

@@jamesmorrison4976 Hey man, those combines are spooky!

@@jamesmorrison4976 yeah because ukrainians reverted back to their soviet stock tanks

This is the future

In theory, yes. But the Russians seem to be lacking in drones.

Krasnopol 152mm guided shell - the only guided artillery shell Russia uses till today - acts exactly like that, using spotter on the ground or Orlan drone (or some other designators) And Krasnopol been like developed from 80s Soviet times, lmao, except Orlan ofc

Not possible, because the Vikhr missiles of the Ka-52 are beamriders. They need to be illuminated by the launch platform, no buddy lasing and no lasing by ground assets.

they can if they use lmur, there hasnt been much of footage but there is like 1 or 2? i believe, its a tv guidance meaning the operator can be behind cover...

Which is impossible since the West does not focus on air defences like Russia, the only option is to send F16 which will take heavy and expensive casualties.

@@JK-oq9cl Yes, which is why I mentioned it

Это не поможет украинским наци.

​@@user-fi8dl1gq4p soglasen..

@@xaina222 before that same things said about leopards, no, with such small parties it will not solve the problem, f-16 old planes, also they haven't optic location systems which has Su-37, and R-37 rocket range is better than aim on f-16, so it will not solve anything, only add some time, and add some oil to this conflict, cause you will need to base this planes, but where? If all NATO countries saying that they are "not side of the conflict" )

Yes, also american Avengers systems were sent there, but yesterday whole column was taken out by russian FPV drones.

Unfortunatly these MANPADS based systems have about 35% the range of a proper SHORAD system like Roland, Crotal or Rapier. West really screwed this form of air defense by under investment.

The whirling rotor blades will provide a very strong Doppler effect. The audio frequency component of the returning signal will also be very high. Furthermore the signature will allow the exact model of helicopter to be identified. Helicopters show up very strongly. This is WW2 technology. Even the German Wurzberg radar when equipped with Wurzlaus (doppler) and Nuremberg(audio frequency of propeller modulations) would detect it. Hovering Helicopters show up very well. If its a 3D or 4D radar as many now are the helicopter wouldn't need to hover of the ground much either.

"Loose lips sink ships" is a phrase that originated during World War II as part of a public awareness campaign in the United States. It was used to remind people to avoid careless talk or revealing sensitive information that could be exploited by the enemy. The phrase serves as a cautionary reminder that loose or careless talk can have serious consequences, potentially leading to the sinking of naval ships or other military failures. In the context of not revealing sensitive or classified information or battle plans, "loose lips sink ships" can indeed be applied. Here are some steps to understand and apply the concept: Awareness: Recognize the importance of safeguarding sensitive information. Understand that certain details about military operations, plans, capabilities, or vulnerabilities can be exploited by adversaries and may compromise the success of missions or endanger lives. Responsibility: Accept personal responsibility for handling sensitive information appropriately. This includes not sharing classified or sensitive information with unauthorized individuals or discussing it in insecure or public settings. Need-to-know basis: Only disclose sensitive information on a strict "need-to-know" basis. Ensure that individuals who have access to classified or sensitive information are cleared and have a legitimate reason to know that information. Confidentiality: Maintain confidentiality and adhere to any security protocols or classification guidelines established by the organization or military. Understand the levels of classification (e.g., top secret, secret, confidential) and handle information accordingly. Operational security (OPSEC): Understand the principles of OPSEC and apply them to protect sensitive information. This includes avoiding discussing operational details in public places, refraining from sharing specific plans or tactics on social media, and being cautious about conversations that might be overheard by unauthorized individuals. Reporting concerns: If you become aware of someone disclosing sensitive or classified information inappropriately, report it through the appropriate channels within your organization or military chain of command. By following these steps and understanding the significance of the phrase "loose lips sink ships," individuals can help protect sensitive information, maintain operational security, and contribute to the overall success of military operations.

In Ukraine, stories about the upcoming offensive supported the morale of the population, hinted that you just need to wait a bit and everything will change.

Ахахаха, бабушки точно всё знали и нарисовали. Не забывайте про лучшую разведку РФ.

Nah. Ruzzia still sucks

They thought Russians would run at the sight of Western MBTs 😂

This all happened because putin would like control of Ukraine. Don't pretend like the Russians have any justification here.

В сентябре тоже на самом деле украинцам и натовцем нечем хвастаться. За несколько дней украинская сторона потеряла несколько десятков тысяч человек, а так же сотни танков и другой бронированной техники. А российские силы просто отошли. Фронт был слишком растянут, а людей было очень мало, чтобы удерживать всю линию фронта. Поэтому и прошла мобилизация. Я не знаю о каких "победах" или поражениях рассказывают в западных странах, но я напомню, что изначально президент Путин поставил задачи - демилитаризация и денацификация. Украинских и натовских боевиков, а так же их технику методично перемалывают. Война это не только навыки, техника, боевой дух и тому подобное. Война это ещё и ресурсы. В России ресурсов хватит на тысячи лет, а вот страны нато, которые сегодня поддерживают нацистов, этим похвастаться не могут. Напоминаю, что украине при выходе из состава СССР досталась не только огромная территория и огромная промышленность, но и ТРЕТЬЯ АРМИЯ В МИРЕ по количеству военного вооружения, и даже свой флот был. То есть наземной военной техники было больше, чем на тот момент у Китая. И вот эту технику перемололи меньше чем за 5 месяцев СВО. Далее уничтожали технику стран варшавского договора, которая стекалась на украину рекой, с прибалтики , с Польши и других наших "братских" республик. Сегодня уже утилизируют западный хлам. Всё идёт по плану.

You are grasping for straws.

@@PigeonHoot straws that the video above shows as facts.

​@@gidi3250i am talking about the speculative comment they made at the end of the paragraph, it's a baseless assumption not fact so yes grasping for straws. And likely we won't know what actually happened for a while so yes its all speculation.

​@@gidi3250defend the slaughter of the idiots in that Russian convoy that got destroyed early on before Ukraine had the proper weapons

WTF I do not think that I watch a movie. I was devastated on the first days of war as some one who was born in Ukraine and now lives in western country and I realize that war is not something to cheer for or something good.

Sooooooooo many Germany Leopards were blown up by Russian "Krasnopol" Munitions - Rockets/Drones and the Mud - they are NOT the NATO Wonder Weapon they said - it was all a Big Hype and on the Battlefield they are Useless - same with the Bradleys and French AMX-10 Tanks ! And some People really believed The Western Propaganda - ha-ha-ha-ha ! Bravo Russia Bravo and Glory to Mother Russia !!!!

I am afraid that cannon maximum range is insufficient.

@@sir0herrbatka 40 km+-

@@user-cm8xe3yz8g Not in a direct attack mode.

Anton Flettner

An airborne radar which Russian SAMs wouldn't allow any in the sky.

@@MGZetta it could be groups of patrolling fighter jets with HARM and long-range air-to-air missiles.

KA-52 doest exist, it KA-50

@@borghorsa1902 two seats version is the Ka-52, not Ka-50 (not produced anymore)

LMUR may use only Ka-52M and Mi-28NM

Not bad for bunch of showels...imagine them when they go with power tools...

They generally follow in a column behind a mine-clearing vehicle so they bunch when the front vehicle is stopped and the way back mined. Basically, they were funneled into a kill zone then killed.

Pokud je zásah destruktivní poklop nikdo neotevře posádka se jako odpaří . Pokud je zásah do odolnější zóny může mít osádka čas vypadnout.

Russia certainly is brutal but it will loose now that its treachery has been revealed resources will be devoted to its defeat.