Lessons on Low-Cost Deterrence and Drones From Ukraine 

Indeed. This war and technology has changed warfare and terrorism significantly. Anyone can afford drones and simple bombs. Worse yet, they can be deployed anywhere. All it takes is a very angry group of people in your own country to start using technology to create terrorism at home. The world is becoming a truly frightening place. Autocracy has got to go!

Lockheed can't make much money on cheap drones. So it's unacceptable for the US

don't think that just because you haven't heard about it that it didn't or isn't happening. The US has been working on drones for more than 20 years. The good ones are BIG, and that is what most people think is all that we have. Don't believe it. What is being learned is how to do more with less in a way that superpowers don't need to do, so the unintended result is something that wasn't planned for

@@petunized You don't know how defense acquisition works. The MIC can't just walk up to the pentagon and say "buy this expensive new thing". That just doesn't happen. The pentagon is well aware of the limits of existing technology and future threats. It receives a mission from the government, which includes requirements such as "be able to fight a major war in Europe and a second war in either the Middle East or Korea", and then they determine to the best of their ability what will be needed in order to have that capability for the next twenty years. If the current aircraft were designed during the Nixon administration (F-15, F-16, and the F-17 which is the basis of the SuperHornet) then they will start developing a new aircraft to give us warfighting capabilities relevant to 2035. If the DoD determines that a mix of drones will augment current systems (aircraft carriers and tanks) then Lockheed, Northrop, and GD will jump on the BTI. For the sake of discussion, if DoD said "tanks and APCs are obsolete, we're going with drones from now on", then that's the way it is and that's what the MIC would start building. If that reduces their income then so be it. The same thing happened when the Cold War ended.

its not. We don't have any USA drone manufacturers making quads for less than 100 dollars.

There is no realistic grasp, realistic would require understanding that everything he mentioned are made in China, and US will have zero access to anything he mentioned in a war with China.

Reminds me alot of the Admirals and Land-Generals of the day pre-WW2 saying that navy-launchrd aircraft and fast-moving armour would revolutionize the next war/battlespace. Which we saw en masse in ww2 prophetically. Drones are the first step in the next era of A.I. infused weapon systems. It's only going to get quicker smaller and more lethal in large swarms now.

Except he is two decades late in his limited grasp. War games and war colleges don't seem to have anything but hindsight! Too spoiled living the high life to deserve it.

You likely lost them at "low cost"

Cod design

Amazing , army of robots

So meta...

How?

​@@jeffGordon852 Stop sleeping

@@edmond8603 Keep dreaming

More like it's serving as a laboratory of what works and doesn't work on the modern battlefield, it's accelerating the evolution of modern warfare.

No they are actually genetically the same. Up until 30 years ago the went to the same schools. Both sides are as smart as the other. Some leaders through survival are better than others.

Yes I know that Ukrainians have family in Russia and visa versa.Also their languages are very similar

@@paulphotios3920 Genetically all the people are more or less the same) But there are a lot of differences in mentality between Ukrainians and Russians - Ukrainians are individualists, they love freedom (and anarchy), while Russians are collectivists and they obey to state power without any questions. Maybe it is the reason why in many Russo-Ukrainian wars Ukrainians have won more battles, but lost more wars. Ukrainians are strong in tactics, but Russians - in strategy. There is an another interesting difference - the role of women, the Ukrainian woman historically were always considered as equals, while the Russian women historically were treated a little better than cattle, if she was lucky. The languages are similar, like all Slavonic languages, although linguistically less similar than Spanish and Portuguese.

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​​@@edwinbarnett9032 as similar as French and German, comrade. And I don't have relatives in ruZZia. 100% Ukrainian from Kyiv. Stop this cheap KGBist propaganda. Most of the ruZZians living in Ukraine are descendants of those sent to houses of the murdered by artificially created hunger Ukrainians. Millions of ruZZians were sent to replace millions of dead Ukrainians who's bodies often were still in the houses. Comrade.

But they are not fighting USA, and I guess you could argue not China either. Or are you speaking about the fighting Nepalese?

But without the US support, Ukraine falls within a week. So, Ukraine proves that without the support of a superpower, any nation fighting against a superpower will pretty much immediately collapse.

@@Habib_Osman so everyone in the thread proves why history is important. nobody that knows history at all needs this lesson, its already been proven multiple times. are you telling me vietnam didn't prove it? Afghanistan didn't prove it twice?

@@IDontBuyIt50 The difference between Afghanistan and Vietnam compared to the current Ukrainian war is that the US didn't plan to conquer either Viet and Afgh, they merely tried to suppress uprisings. And yes, when suppressing uprisings guerilla tactics become very effective. In order to establish order, every square inch of territory needs to be scrubbed of hostiles. This can often only be achieved by destroying pretty much everything like Russia does to Ukraine currently, or for example Israel is currently doing in gaza.

@@Habib_Osman I see. You believe the Vietnam war was about suppressing uprisings? It took that long to attempt that? As far as this war goes, none of this is part of Putin's script anymore. He has pretty much miscalculated every aspect of the engagement, so its actually hard to even plug Russia in here as an example of a "superpower". I'm not sure they fit the description at this point. They are surprisingly bad at every part of soldier effected war. Take away the fear of nukes and they are no more dangerous than NKorea's army

You mean using drones? That's just a new battlefield strategy, nothing new has been invented.

​@@Habib_Osmanright, what's new in the world? It is all good forgotten old for the past three thousand years))

I have confidence in the US military industrial complex, 10 mil is a LOW bar.

To be specific, US military pays $60,000 for a single switchblade FPV drone with a smaller warhead than a $40 FPV drone, and they ran out of inventory within a week.

The, the games are over, Ruzzia's Putler is a real threat to all of Europe and possibly North America. Price games are in the pest

@@vlhc4642 crazy!! not confident any changes will be made in the near term. The exquisite solution always ensures max profits vs. the simple solution..

40$ for the esc yes but fpv costs more like 200$

Ain't that similar air and chip recognition

The cat is out of the bag… it’s something I have been wanting to build for years now. 😮

Australia have already been delivering them to Ukraine. 👍

Cheap, lethal force multipliers we can readily deploy (from whatever platform u choose) .. in swarms .. not these expensive "loyal wingmen" the enemy will hack. Our military needs 2 b much more lethal 4 its ltd manpower & budgeting (dont get me started on nuke subs). We must b able 2 readily deploy (more) assets without fear of "scratching the paint". With cheap (cardboard) drones, suddenly everything's more defensible. We need a more lethal military sooner with as much built here (sovereign capability), more easily forging regional relationships with conventionally powered assets & insulating ourselves from vagaries of US domestic politics.

need to be "locally" sourced cheap weapons . Please know that imported weapons are most likely not available when you need them during ongoing battles.

another game changer u say?

@@jocknarn3225 I understand where you’re coming from, but the doctrine of the “Loyal wingman” is different from the UCAV’s being used in the Ukraine war right now. They are seen as a force multiplier for much bigger jets. And you have to take into account that allot of these UCAV’s seen in this video could only dream about taking out an aircraft flying in the air. The loyal wingmen’s are set to be in the attributable range meaning you don’t want to lose it but if you do it won’t break the bank. Also, you and many others are mistaken to believe that the time of big expensive equipment is behind us. When in reality there will always be a need for big warship, tanks, planes, artillery, helicopters, etc. The only difference is to increase your cheap capabilities to further enhance your expensive one. It’s about “Balance” and proof of this is what our adversary are doing. China and Russia still have expensive equipment like tanks, warships, planes, etc. and they still will for the foreseeable future, the only difference is they are also increasing their cheap capabilities to greatly enhance their existing forces. And one use case that I can see the loyal wingmen having is in defeating air defense’s. Imagine that you have an F-35 and 3-5 loyal wingmen, you use one as bait while the others wait and see where the missiles are being fired from. Once they have a lock you could use HARM missiles to find and destroy the missiles battery’s and radar. You just destroyed a 500 million dollar air defense system for the cost of an 5-10 million dollar aircraft and a few harm missiles at 200,000-800,000 a pop. 15-20 million sounds like a lot, but not if you take it with context. And I’m pretty sure that this general would be okay with spending 20 million dollars to take out a 500 million dollar air defense systems, because that’s a great cost curve to have.

But it will destroy 20 times more valuable targets than it is destroying now.

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That’s called a Tomahawk missile.

The drone Ukraine uses are entirely made in China, and American officials seem to either be not aware of that or live under the delusion that China will supply US with cheap weapons to use against China.

And it will be ready in 10 years, after it has been tested and hardened and met all compliance regs.

What has been invented in the Ukrainian war?

​@@Habib_Osmandrones used for everything from targeting artillery, to using FPVs to target tanks and personal carriers, to going after the Russian Black Sea fleet. How many tanks had been destroyed using drones until the war in Ukraine? Exactly!

Wars turn the innovative talent towards weapons. In peace time, people are inventing other things.

Nothing new has been invented. New strategies are definitely being developed in war, that's for sure.

It’s been used in the filming industry. You no longer need a helicopter to shoot an ad. People use it for photography. Scientists use it for measurements. The list goes on and on. You are only seeing the bad and refusing to see the good. So STFU

Won't happen fully when psychos like Putin are in power

That is called capitalism my friend

@@nolansperling3743 War is only profitable to the arms manufacturers and dealers.

USA 🇺🇸 will need allies who have not forgotten how to manufacture efficiently. Oh guess what,Taiwan happens to be one.

That would be Necessity… 🤭

“Necessity”

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You don't understand what he was saying. He's saying that the $2B DDG needs a new anti-drone weapon with a lower cost/destroyed-drone.... this is in addition to the SPY-D radar and 96 long range missiles for attacking supersonic aircraft, other ships, and land targets.

It doesn't take a super genius to figure out that shotting down 1,000-dollar drone with million-dollar missile is not good for budget. It's a thousand-fold price difference!

$700,000 is on the right side as well for the commercial sailors who made it home to their families safe.

@@bobwoods1302 if it were a laser beam, they’d still be safe, and it would cost $20 instead of $700,000

And if my aunt had b@lls she would be my uncle.@@deriznohappehquite

When full scale war breaks out, you can't think like that. War is economics.

​@@bobwoods1302Or we could just leave the Red Sea.

LOL IN 2:45 THE dude told you how ot handle cheap drones with cheap ammunition. another braindead viewer who jumps to conclusions to quickly

Your thinking lacks creativity; it's very reductionist.

Sorry - DARPA,Skunkworks,++ are still around and they’ll develop defences against drones. Whether it’s lasers, electronic warfare, something else - they will close the gap

@@korzym there is already system you can buy to counter these drones, just that you do not see those used in Ukraine does not mean those do not exist

@@freezedeve3119 lots of prototypes, we’ll see which ones will get mass produced

How?

lmao comparing ISIS to potential swarm users like china or russia is hilarious.

Please post more then!!! We need intelligent documentaries and discussions about Mosul too.

Is that oligarchic cash anything compared to the billions of US tax dollars already sent?

Basically what the NATO chief said right after the Ukrainian stuff hit the fan. NATO countries were going to start supporting STEM education and makerspaces. At least that’s how I understood it. Has anything come of that?

I believe those are the well known TV/Video-Guided missiles . Been around since at least the '80s or early '90s. As with any FPV or otherwise signal guided ,including GPS , they're very succeptible to REW (radio electronic warfare, jamming)

@@dejandimoski4605 REW can be detected and fired upon with anti-radiation missiles. The same can be said though for the controller's nests. I don't know why russians don't home in the radio signal that controls the drones...

It literally is what Ukrainians are already doing

Have that already, it's called GLSDB. only difference is terminal guidance is laser as opposed to visual

would be too expensive, because "UAV" would need to survive stress of being fired through the gun, would be too small, because it would be limited by the barrel of the gun.. UAV doesnt have to be launched like that... you can have "mothership" UAV that carries small FPV UAV on it, fly into area, and deploy these, while boosting their signal... BTW, thats already happening today in Ukraine...

They all will be down in a few weeks 😂..

@@alberthenriette8976 _"all will be down"_ How would you down all the modern planes if you haven't down the old ones yet????

@@alberthenriette8976 Ukraine is still flying old POS. unmodernized Su-27, MiG-29, and Su-25 are their most modern aircraft.

Bad actors taught russia and ukraine these tactics many many years ago already.

1. russia uses 7x more fpv and drone dropping drones then ukriane (as by ukrainian claims) 2. ukraine outnumbers russia at the very least 2 or 3 to 1 unless they have been taking comletly insane casualties do actual research instead of watching propaganda or dont talk and ignore the conflict since u r obv not ready to invest any time into learning about it

The people hear what they want to hear.

​@@Habib_Osmannice try, comrade))

600,000 Ukrainian war dead so far. Was it worth it?

I went to the guy's Facebook page - which is weird that he has a Facebook page. The guy looks like a really slow thinker.

Do the math though… 8k cellphones are not enough to even cover the whole stabilized part of the border at hundred meter intervals, let alone have several lines of depth to allow calculating the incoming noisemakers direction.

Didn’t learn anything from Vietnam.

Not including goggles and radio a 7" that seems most common can be under $200 using the cheapest parts available a bigger one is like $250. So 40,000 not counting the discount for quantity, of course someone has to build them though and that's about 1-2 hours depending how much experience the builder has. Then goggles are between $200-600 depending on type or a screen can be under $100 controller between $60-200. The trouble is they need to adapt constantly but, with support of U.S. defense industry they have much better RF gear to go in them than the hobby grade stuff they use now of course this would bring price up but, 10,000 much more advanced drones for $10,000,000 should be possible but, the margins would be basically non existent and they'd require a lot of Chinese parts so good luck getting the military industrial complex to help.

Russian are doing the same thing on the other side. The drone game is 50/50.

Ukraine produces most of their kamikaze drones locally. They plan on manufacturing between one and two million of them in 2024. Bottleneck is chinese made motors, batteries, cameras, and electronics that have to be procured. There is no western manufacturer of small electric motors for example.

Because drones are made in China

Ukraine is losing 10,000 drones a month. Another 10,000 would be a drop in the bucket.

A 30 pound drone will not carry a 500 pound bomb. You still need fire power to win battles. Two sides throwing grades won’t win you anything.

@@maritimezhang Is firepower winning this (Rus/Ukr) war? Russia has the clear advantage in heavy ordinance and delivery, and it's basically a stalemate. The Ukraine Navy is nothing but drones and they've kept the Russian navy away. Drones are taking out tanks and javelins are taking out airplanes. No one expected Ukraine to last more than three weeks because of their lack of firepower, yet now it's year three.

Yes this has been worrying me also. I'm hoping non China aligned countries are taking notice and starting to make cheap motors in India, and other eastern European countries. I really don't think the West can compete with China on cost.

It's not like these drones are that difficult to produce... there's videos of volunteers inside Ukraine 3D printing these things.

@@WanderingCanadian1 Electric motors require rare earths from China.

If they can sell it...

If they can sell it... Until recently, the US military would not buy from SpaceX, but now they do

And how good you are in that "old doctrine"? Does mortar, long range artillery or air are obsolete?

I think its still very much a boots on the ground affair. Infantry still have to do the dirty work to hold and occupy positions. We've seen pitched battles overs forests, cities, trench networks.

@@antasosam8486Air isn't obsolete, but its hard to make a cope video about Russia raining FABs

You can't hide from a drone or dig yourself in from the drop. Trenches are excellent against mortars and hand-grenades but don't save you from drones.

Ukraine also uses those against fortifications as well as sea drones to attack the Russian fleet in Black Sea