Let's ACTUALLY talk about gay representation... 

Say what you want about furries, but you have to admit they make some good video essays.

As a closeted bisexual Muslim girl, I can truly understand the weight of this episode. LGBT is not something you can control, nor can you expect it. Homosexuality is haram in the Quran, and in my case, hated. And what hurts more is that many other people have it worse. In places like Saudi Arabia, homosexual people are executed for being found out. It's nice to see some representation and diversity in modern places such as Netflix and fictional novels, especially since I'm Canadian. But simple representation like seeing same-sex couples such as Catradora or Lumity will not be enough to change haters, nor does it touches on the hostility and discrimination people face. You did a great job establishing that.

My dad is just like Oscar, he told me I should treat others how I wanna be treated, also saying “just bc ppl are different doesn’t give you the right to disrespect them.” And literally when I wore rainbow one time my dad argued with my mom bc he thought I supported the lgbt, and after hearing their argument it just became rlly uncomfortable to even be around him knowing how much of a hypocrite he is, none of my siblings even wanna be like him, I didn’t even wanna be like my dad *anymore*

I love the way oscar is portrayed, he likes so many men I know (especially my father) this feels so genuine to how I see him act

Anyone think Dijonnais should get a slap every time she doesn’t think about the consequences of what her actions could do?

Oscar’s homophobia reminded me of My dad being homophobic and my mom is just as bad as he is. And my sister wasn’t even around to have my back. They’re why I’m afraid of coming out.

I think Oscar's homophobia also goes further in humanizing black people, by showing them as people with realistic flaws. Not necessarily the big angry black man that was peddled back in the fifties, nor the wise, morally perfect saint who's pure greatness reeks of overcompensation. People have flaws and say and do stupid things, and for better or worse, more people need to see that.

Why is Oscar homophobic? It's funny that in that episode where Penny went to live with a Muslim family, Oscar was willing to say that she didn't have to go. We get a bit of a backstory to Oscar's childhood and that Suga Mama never let him hang out with anyone but then just dismisses herself from any accountability of why Oscar didn't have no friends by blaming him. Suga Mama just seemed like she was gaslighting Oscar. It really sucks that this show lets her get away with a lot of the abuse she gives Oscar.

I’m black and I know a lot of black men who is like Oscar. As a lesbian with a dad that doesn’t agree with homosexuality or knows that I am gay, I can relate to this.

I saw this episode and I found it weird that Penny’s friends were having issues accepting the gay dads but one of their close friends is gay, gender nonconformity type of dude.

I do like the argument of how media should try to show how marginalized minorities can be affected by discrimination and make it flow well with the plot. Also, does anyone like Dijonay before Louder and Prouder?

Bro my dad is very much homophobic, he's very manly and tough. He is sweet but unfortnately when I had came out- he laughed at me said I was corrupted by TV (Brothers too) and what made me mad is after I learned more about LGBTQIA+. I felt very hurt, since he had old me to be accepting of others and I was- broken after.. So OScar being homophobic hurt a lot.

Anyone else think than original series Oscar would be uncomfortable with same sex relationships but not outright homophobic?

It's another one of those "Goddamnit, Dijonay!" kind of episodes. Which is almost EVERY DAMN EPISODE.

Randy and Barry are sweet dads

As a non binary pan human person, this episode hits hard. I am dead named by my ‘Father’ but my mum is supportive of me, more then she is of father. This is my favourite episode!

something i've realized with seeing clips of Micheal from this show on youtube is that people are like "WAIT HE'S A GUY?" or "IM SO DISAPPOINTED IN THIS GENERATION." And it's like dude its not that big of a deal its 2023 get over it. Also I got sent a short of Micheal doing the "what are those?" meme from vine and read the comments and its mainly the older generation saying homophobic stuff and went off on a random dude who was going on and on about the LGBTQ+ community and he deleted his comment. (Also if you're going to comment homophobic stuff. *DONT DO IT ON A KIDS SHOW*)

Honestly, ever since the Kwanzaa episode in the original series, I knew that Oscar was close minded and bigoted. So unfortunately him being homophobic REALLY doesn't surprise me.

I'm not fond of how it ended, how quickly oscar apologized. I highly doubt homophobes would APOLOGIZE in a day or even LESS than a day after showing homophobic traits. It would have taken much longer...it's unrealistic really. 'oh they'll INSTANTLY know they're wrong' no they won't. They're stubborn and less-likely to change their ways at ALL.

To be fair, Dijonay was the gossiper in the group. There's been times it was used for good. She's just 50/50

In Dijonay defence, while what she did was terrible, the school was gonna find out about her gay parents anyway. I mean, there are school activities and parents night, most likely either both or one of them gonna show up and put two to two together that Maya has two gay dads.

Someone's gotta beat Dijonay's ass at this point bc this girl cannot keep getting away with this

12:18 - 12:22 was my favorite part of the episode they are a cute couple

You can't even say "Sorry boomer" because Suga Mama actually IS a boomer and she doesn't claim that mentality. Oscar's worse.

This episode made me realize I probably had it a lot easier since I transferred into homeschooling when I came out to my parents to keep me safe. I can’t imagine how hard it is for queer kids in school, especially now with how vitriol it’s become for them.

I haven't watched the show, but this essay is superb. You bring out some important points

Reminds me of super drag " I don't feel gay, I AM gay" that statement is strong

oscar throwing on and taking off the tribal garb was a good (and hilarious) visual of code switching

I like how one of the kids stayed behind to speak their mind about what actually was goin on. If someone didn't explain, it'd be harder for people to understand and leave it alone or defend. To take an action, you must know what you're up against. That kid was very informative about their problems. Respect.

Something you can try to do to improve yourself is take everyone else’s opinions and issues into consideration by imagining yourself in their shoes. This is shown in many proud family episodes.

Now, I dont want to say the others treating Oscar like that was wrong, but, shunning someone seems lile it'd only push them further into their bigotry and such. And how did Oscar become homophobic anyways? Im sure Suga Momma didnt raise him like that.

You gonna do a video about Rocko's Modern Life and the reboot static cling, I feel like Joe Murray made the best LGBT representation in the show and the reboot mini movie

Wow, you've touched so many topics that I wouldn't have even acknowledged. This is an amazing video essay, you explained everything perfectly. Great job!

as a closeted genderqueer cupiormantic, i definitely see my parents in Oscar’s portrayal of homophobia. it seems a lot like he just.. misunderstands, or at least that’s what i’m getting from the way he’s acting. (the hesitated, forced smile and thumbs up when the gay dads were sharing affection, not wanting his daughter to hang out with the gay couples kids.) my parents definitely aren’t homophobic, just don’t know how the community works and how we’re affected by such misunderstandings. i’m not out to my parents, but i have a few trans friends and i can def see the hesitance in my parents whenever i talk about them. there’s a difference between outright homophobia and misunderstanding that can be potentially be fixed by teaching others about the community. i might be wrong and he may just be flat out homophobic but that’s not personally what i’m seeing here. just some plain old being misinformed about things.

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My God child is biracial and has two moms we expect the hate oneday she's only 2 right now but we're teaching to her be a strong young lady. (One is her bio mom)

Oscar being home phobic makes no sense because of Michael

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I really like the new proud family reboot. Growing up the proud family was one of my favorite TV shows. I'm so happy for LGBTQIA+ representation I'm bi and I'm starting to experiment with she/they pronouns. I'm so subscribing 😸 .also is your fursona a bat 🦇 .that so cool I'm working on my fursona Scarlett the fox 🦊

"then there's the line that really hit" *hit*, sorry that coincidence was funny

But did anyone else notice that they made the mexicano man dig a tunnel to get out-

I’m actually kind of mad because they waited a whole year to finish a 2 part episode instead of having a hour long episode

Well said just well done sir👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

Yo, I’m so impressed with this. This would NEVER happen to me as a kid. All I had was that square headed kids parents from Clarence, a plot twist adventure time Bubble gum princess + Marceline, and the loud house with Clyde’s dads. They all had parents, which as a kid I just excepted, but never went into detail like THIS. ITS CRAZY GOOD

I think the original Proud Family tackled serious issues well but from what I've heard and seen of the reboot so far I think it's done a pretty bad job tackling most of them. I still wanna watch the reboot myself maybe not all of it is bad but my opinion of it isn't very high. Good video though.

Oscar being homophobic was my final nail for him as a character he’s such an awful person and so is most of pennys family really

One thing you missed about the next morning scene, is that Penny's room had a purple light coming out of it. I noticed this cause you mentioned the purple in the crowd representing the struggles we don't typically see, and I think it's meant to represent Penny's struggle as an ally. She knows homophobia is wrong, and she wants to do the right thing, but being an ally living under the same roof as a homophobe can be tough. Especially if they're someone you love and respect, like a parent.

I cried watching this episode. It was so warm

The scene from community was a lovely representation ❤

I hate Oscar but I love his character as the goofy, selfish, but loving father who gets what he deserves every time and tries ecerytime

I knew I was bisexual when I was about the ages of 6-8 years old (this was back in the early 2000s, and I never heard of the word until middle school or high school). I didn’t fully accept it until just this year at 27 years old, because of how some of my family members are. After I came out, I finally felt so free, but at the same time, I still feel like I gotta hide my true self when I’m around some of my family members 😓. Thankfully my fiancé will back me up in case shit hits the fan lols

This is amazing. Absolutely amazing.

I need to give this show a watch. I liked it as a kid because I like seeing people like me, but admittedly it wasn't one of my favorites because I was more of a Dexter's Laboratory / Powerpuff Girls Kid. I've heard about the reboot and I didn't want to watch it until I could hear about it and then I forgot. But as a trans man with a dad who is like oscar but without the goofiness, I want to see it

Already love you after a few seconds

i think the best gay representation is when the character is just stated to be gay and thats literally it the first example that comes to my mind since i played the game recently is kim kitsuragi in disco elysium, hes canonically gay but its a oneoff line and its never important, but its still really cool

JJBA has a well written gay characters

reading the coments, a lot of lgbt peopke has problems with their dads. same here, im a trans guy and im also pansexual, my mom knows it and support me, but im too scared to tell my dad because i dont know if he would understand me.

AT 13:54, THE ONE ISN'T BLUE SOUNDS LIKE RILEY FROM BOONDOCKS????!!!

A groovy episode.

You're not you when you're hungry, gumbo satisfies.

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Hai Idk if anyone gonna see this but I just wanna ask if anyone know a fandom with normalized lbgtq+ pep and rare chance of homophobic pep The only thing i seen so far was object show,furry,and the owl house,just wanna know more

While I think your analysis is apt and in depth, I disagree with your praise of the show. I think that this structure falls flat in multiple ways, but the biggest way is that the payoff of the show, the entire reason this episode exists, is to fulfil revenge fantasies for homophobic people. I write it this way specifically because this episode is NOT about the interactions of gay men, black men or families with nonstandard arrangements. To accomplish this goal it has to use its characters as props rather than people who exist in their own world. Depending on what you think the focus is, all characters were used through their identities exclusively, rather than their thought, actions or growth. Here's what I mean: IF you believe Oscar's arc to be the main focus of the episode, and the whole setup is designed to give you a 'haha what an idiot man' ending, then the entire cast of the two fathers and family do not add anything to this arc besides making the audience think that he "deserves" to be denied, because he's homophobic. This wouldn't be new to the characters, as things of this nature happen to Oscar repeatedly, but then the fact that the parents were gay adn that the children are dealing with the complications of having two fathers is gratuitous and makes me wonder what that focus adds to Oscar's plot. IF the children's arc is the main focus, then the whole set-up and payoff of Oscar's side quest seems so disingenuous. In a vaccuum the over-exaggeration of causes and effects is pretty standard for a cartoon, but when you frame all that suffering doesn't get appropriate payoff. The fact that the new kids have two dads feels so superfluous because it is treated as if that everyone's responses would be so black and white, and those who are fully supportive get positive results and those that are fully against it get their loans denied. Its more of an assertion than it is representation. You could easily draft a plot that fits the vibe and more centrally discusses the topic, this is assuming that the writers don't want to use the fact that they have gay people in the show as a quick cash grab/woke check on their corporate checklist. The mother wants to host a dinner with the new family, and while interacting with them, Oscar finds out that they are gay, and immediately has no response, but when back alone at the house, he voices a concern that they should cancel the dinner. Everyone wants to know why since, everyone loves him, and Oscar struggles to find a reason. From here you can go a few different ways. You can have Oscar get challenged by one of the family members on the fact that he's uncomfortable with two gay fathers, leading to more denial, or a sudden realization that he has to go overboard to seem accepting. Or you can have him strike down hard and aggressive that he explicitly hates gay people for whatever reason. Have the dinner fail due to awkardness or passive aggression or unwanted questions or anything. You can easily spin this to make it actually funny, but then for resolution (A key step that actually grows Oscar's character from his own perspective, not from the weight of society forcinig him to change like in this garbage episode) Have oscar apologize, and then the proud family gets invited over to the new kids for a makeup dinner. Maybe Oscar shares similar food interests with the black gay father, maybe the grew up in similar areas and like the same comfort food, or maybe he shares hobbies with the white father, etc etc. This gives the feeling that their resolution is natural not a forced "gotcha" moment where the "homophobic oppressor" gets "what he deserves."

What about Penny's friend who is gay?

I was so disappointed Mad Munchkin called the dads "ticking a checkbox" ngl.

i mean D Really is a ✨️solid ✨️ letter

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Granted I don‘t know the episode or series. But just the concept to focus on a straight and homophobic character who learns a lesson to support gay people, by learning to respect one gay person individually - that doesn‘t seem original to me. That idea rather seems like it has been done before a lot. (I remembered a Simpsons episode from like 2007 that did this). When that straight character is the focus, it rather implies that it a(nother) straight themed story, at least for the main plot of „he gets the loan“. Because it focuses on the straight person‘s character development while the gay characters seem moreso a plot point for his story. That narrative might be done well here (I don‘t know the episode), but it still has specific limits to what it it can tell (about gay characters) . I personally prefer when there is focus on a gay charcter‘s perspective. There are less stories like this yet (compared to many straight characters), and they can tell different stories.

I think this would have been more relatable if the part of Oscar telling Penny to not hang out with the kids with two dads were cut out. I think discomfort is a much more common reaction than disapproval. While I have no major problems with this episode in particular, the thing that bugs me about louder and prouder is their shift towards “woke” ideals rather than simply teaching good morals.

Blaming her age. Bro, your mum isn't having you.

Are you a furry if so can u help mack my furry mask

My ok if he a furry

I didn’t care but Oscar didn’t get his

Someone is an ally of the LGBQT+ community.

Just commenting lol

Proud family reboot Disney ruined

Dijonnai had me so mad in this episode i wanted to smack her like omg girl keep things to yourself

I love what you're putting down, but there's only one problem. Why the animal vibe?

As always, Dijonay is the worst lmao (I do like the episode tho)

Coming from a gay. It's all too forced. I think there is more important stuff to worry about tha some silly representation to stroke your feelings for a while

I don’t like anyone in that show except the grandma

I dont realy agree with the lgbtq comunity but that doesnt mean that I would harm them. I think we should all be able to have are opinion and talk about it calmly

I really didn't like this reboot

All I can think about is Tweek and Craig so all I can say is- uh- gay.

Well.disney and the proud family is going woke again. 💀😔

Your taking a mediocre written show, way to seriously brother.

Wough :0

Nah I’m good.

Wait, this is a furry, uhh

Mmm idk just me, I wouldn't be kissing my wife in front of my patients. Nor would I appreciate somebody kissing and being cutesy with their spouse while I'm trying to get some business done. There's a time and place for that and in front of someone you're performing service for is usually not the right time. That's just not professional. As for iconic laugh idk what you're talking about, the laugh is extremely forgettable.

I really don’t care if someone is phobic as long as their not trying to bully or k!ll gay people etc…

I am homophobic to an extent (by todays standards at least, cause having different opinions makes you homophobic, but ive just embraced i at this point) and i understand some of oscars views

Except this is forced with no explanation, but 'diversity' and representation. Shows that force gay characters onto its audience for an agenda or because woke Twitter says so, for not reason, but forced diversity. There are no modern shows with a gay character who is not annoying at all. Batwoman, She-Ra, She-Hulk, and more. That's why men are walking away. It seems to me that only woke women like gay men because of their feminist dogma about "toxic men" despite that real masculinity is not toxic and some women are far more toxic. Real women want confident alpha men.

As a straight dude I'm fine with gays, Love is love and if you want to be with someone of the same sex then you do you, but I feel uncomfortable when I see men kiss. public displays of affection are cringe asf whoever does it but Seeing two dudes kiss just makes me feel uneasy.

As someone with two moms I can understand how the two kids (I forgot their names 💀💀) feel. I’ve been bullied, harassed, and many other things just for having two moms. 🫶

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THE REPRESENTATION RUINED MULTIPLE SHOWS. THEY NEED TO LOWER IT.

I can't believe I'm agreeing with a furry

I mean, y'all not oppressed