Let's Play SECRET HITLER | Overboard, Episode 3 

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fietfEit i appreciate you

fietfEit thanks lol

Hey, I love these. But you only do it once a month. And now probably not at all. Second but! You do a really nice job of explaining gameplay. How about doing "how to play" videos for more games.

Frank Tiemens every time i watch this video i remember pat as hitler. i am always wrong.

Same

i think i have seen this 3 times over 2 years 😳

I could have sworn that Jeff was Hitler and that there were two games of this

Same, and somehow every time I watch this I end up absolutely certain that Pat is a facist and Ashley is Hitler. I think what most likely throws me off every time is Pat like, constantly addressing Ashley in a way that seems like a facist trying to support Hitler, when in fact it was probably a ruse to create exactly that sort of impression, which was only made stronger by Simone pointing it out.

same, i cannot concentrate on the evidence against them, like how can i not trust these handsome men, like cmon

i always trust pat idk why

Pat gives off an aura of trust whilst BDG gives an aura of attraction. Both make you trust them with your heart and soul, whether you want to or not.

They’re both very trustworthy bc they both are fairly attractive. You trust an attractive face more therefore you naturally trust Pat and Brian. Plus, they both give off an aura of trustworthiness and are both good at logic puzzles and can use that skill as an advantage in hidden role games that often require logical thinking to count cards and evaluate arguments.

I assume BDG is always lying, just because he's talented and creative enough to do it

I always forget how good of a liar Pat is and it’s always terrifying when I remember

Not in werewolf though

Jeff is such a bad actor. He puts himself in positions that doesn't help his cases!

Jeff has always been described as the most guilty-looking innocent player in these hidden role games because he can't stop talking and isn't usually the bad guy. Conversely, Clayton is the most innocent-looking guilty player, because he tends to keep quiet and explain the rules to everyone, so people trust him. They're like the ying and yang of Polygon's Overboard.

Pat: is it a train?

I understand why you'd do that, but the game is intended as before WWII, so Hitler didn't want to kill himself yet.

@@cormacabbey2404 Not really as Hitler doesn't necessarly know his fascists from the beginning (in a 7+ player game). In a 5 player game that holds true

@@cormacabbey2404 It is simply not true that "An even game is a win for fascists". Let's say there are 4 blue and 4 red on the board, a typical situation for the 1st kill. Then the deck has 7 red and 2 blue. If fascists go for rejecting all nominations and picking random cards off the top, their chance of winning is (7/9) * (6/8) = 58.3%, which is only a hair above 50%. It's a good fallback strategy if things don't go their way, but for a decent chance to win they actually have to convince at least 1 liberal to trust them. Basically exactly like in any other part of the game. In fact, there are rare situations where fascists can lose even when they're a majority (if there are 3 liberals in a row who all reject, or if Hitler is president and draws 2 blue, etc.)

@@bitcoinisrael1000 No if it is even then the fascist are more likely to win because the deck is so heavily favoured for fascist. What you're also forgetting is that if the fascist has the shot they could have very easily thrown a liberal policy so then it's actually only 1 left in the deck. If the fascists get a majority they always win as they reveal themselves as fascist and elect hitler as chancellor. Even if they did get 3 lib policies they can just veto the cards and try again.

@@scottydog771 "More likely to win" is true, and a far cry from "a win for fascists" which was what Cormac said. The odds could be higher than I stated if a blue was thrown etc, but it's still far from certain victory. So in an even game, fascists still want to maintain the lie to increase their odds. As for majority fascists - read again what I said. The Fascists could elect Hitler, *if* one of them gets to be president! But with 9 players, even after 2 liberals are killed, there are still 3 liberals remaining. And the position around the table could be that they are all in a row, and the first in that row gets to start the round. If the liberals figure out who the fascists are, they can simply elect within themselves, and all the fascists can do is reject. And after 3 rejections, a random card is drawn off the top, which could be blue. With 7 players it's a bit more interesting. You can't have 3 liberals in a row (after 2 are dead), but you can have Hitler followed by 2 liberals. Hitler doesn't know who the liberals are. The Fascists can come out as Fascists... But so can the liberals! The liberals can claim they are in fact Fascists, in order to confuse Hitler. And if both pairs say the same things, Hitler doesn't know for sure. And he could choose a liberal. The fascists will approve (the alternative is even worse for them) and if there are 2 blue cards (with 1 required for a liberal win), the liberals win. Or it could be Hitler followed by 2 Facists. If he accidentally chooses a liberal, the liberals (and Hitler) will approve, leading to the same result. So, as I said, with a majority of Facists, a liberal win is highly unlikely and requires the stars to align just right, but it's not impossible. (There is no need to consider the case of 3 blue here, because that's impossible if only 1 blue card is needed for liberal win. And if more than 1 blue is required, then all of this is irrelevant, because then the Facists are indeed guaranteed an opportunity to elect Hitler. Also, if Hitler is followed by a fascist and liberal, the fascists win; while Hitler doesn't know who among the following players is fascist, he knows that one of them is, as they will each deny being in the same team as the other. So he can reject his own nomination, and whoever is the fascist will elect him and win).

I agree. But I also wonder how much their game would change if they had a few more players, especially if there are two fascists aiding Hitler and Hitler doesn't know who they are.

@@zackcarbon9243 the game is best at 9 or 7 players. 5 is not enough players

@@jammatati3844 In my opinion, 8 is the sweet spot.

Lifehack: press the replay button! You can watch the same group of people in the same seating arrangement playing the same game!

Heck yes. They made it so intriguing!

You should have seen a game I've played where I was fascist and had almost undisputed trust from the liberals because people put their trust in me too easy. I managed to tell Hitler that i was one of her fascists within the first 5 minutes, and later on, convinced a liberal president not to kill Hitler, but to kill one of her liberal teammates instead. Eventually, the presidency came around to a liberal who trusted my advice to pick Hitler as chancellor and we won. Another favorite game of mine was a 7 player game where I convinced one liberal to trust me and my fascist team and Hitler unconditionally. We completely destroyed the game and won, and the liberal player i used to win didn't talk to me for a week, she was so mad! Both of these games happened with 7 players, it's my personal favorite amount of players.

R/thathappened

Those are the best gaming moments, when someone's secret evil plan actually works and things go unexpectedly.

lmao

Just by the name I don’t know the game or anything about it, but it disgusts me. It’s soooo disrespectful and creates a stereotype of Germans being nazis. Especially in America where many people don’t know a lot about others history or even geography just the name is so dangerous...

Same

Me: *realizes it was almost 40 minutes*

Same here

ME

@@tjmv1183 I watchecd the entire thing, then read the comment and went back to check wether or not I actually spend 40 minutes watching this instead of doing homework

Gem of the Night but you could use reverse psychology to make everyone think your a fachist

"So basically, what I'm saying is, he's either good or he's Hitler." me_@_myself.gif

I mean I think (haven't watched whole thing yet) he's too obvious of a target, a Hitler shouldn't be attracting too much attention

Then again I for one would have been tempted to remove him from the table just for how obnoxious he is.

@@ViolosD2I Dang you're no fun

It's the best game.

why do I drink goddamnit?

but why tho? it's a game ffs ...

@27 min in The power to shoot was taken away since no one voted for him to be president. That spot on the board just becomes a dead spot. You got to shoot someone for free :S

I haven't played Secret Hitler, but these types of hidden role games can certainly be very stressful, but also very exhilarating. Though I can see how the stress might not be for everyone.

This is true, I don't even know what's going on in the first place.

Well of course, when the Reichstag is in session you have to be dressed for the occasion!

Well, they are President and Chancellor.

They try as much as possible to dress appropriately for the theme of the game, such as when they played a game where the characters are kids they dress in kids' attire, and when they played a horror-themed game they dressed in black and goth make up. Secret Hitler's characters are supposed to be members of a parliament, so they're dressed as politicians in formal attire.

Jamie Townsend this is the reason why I love roleplay games

Come to think of it, it's why I clicked on the video.

MCDexX j

I missed it the first time and had to go back TWICE to hear it. Pat is SMOOTH

where I'm so confused??

ikr??? that was so polite

OH SHIT I HEARD IT OMG

Yes. On the first failure they should have killed Ashley because if Ashley was a liberal and was telling the truth, sacrificing a liberal was not bad as Fascists didn't have the voting majority. On the other hand if Ashley lied as a Fascist, killing a Fascist wasn't bad.

exactly they should've won that way

@@azhao17 Note that Pat had been incorrectly given the ability to kill someone, the game should've just continued. It would've been very difficult to convince everyone to stick with Ashley's judgement to fail another 3 votes and test her theory, as if she was a fascist it would've basically been game over.

Lhayla Blendinger i would play with you

Me with every game I want to buy though

Lhayla Blendinger girl I'll play it

Play with meeee!

Card shops and anime conventions; you cant stop people from asking to play with you

pokemon playa and Pat is pretty much always evil too, but he is a damn near perfect liar so no one suspects him

what the hell jeff

Jeff, I _trusted_ you!

Also, Cookiepuss

oh JEFF

Anika Olivo TVs

Have you finished the video yet?

@@thebigdug legend has it I still haven't completed it till this day

Lol

@@thebigdug bro i was just about to say that :(

I thought it was like this: when 3 governments are rejected in a row, the next president is elected without voting and he can choose anyone for chancellor. At least we played it like that.

That.

@@balintlukacs2848 That is true but you also skip the powers (if any) that the president is granted by that random policy.

just like every liberal in the us government

Goals are noble. Implementations are failures.

All liberals are shady

So basically.. a liberal?

Great, US politics, of course.

I THOUGHT IT WAS UNINTENTIONAL OH MY GOODNESS

I didn't know it was red because I'm colorblind lol.

spoiler!

@@PschocatIII why are you reading the comments

Underswap Frisk probably an accident

I think 10 is the max amount of players

Anthony Tohme shhhhhhh rules are meant to be broken

Actually, play this game with 100 people for the best results

@@Foxy02016 Technically, you get the most accurate results with 580-610 players, where 33-37% of the players are Fascists

gredangeo I think they once tried this with about 80 million people, with about 30 % fascists. It didn’t really end well. Let’s hope the new experiment with 340 million people works out better.

and so pretty...

i would trust him no matter what happens like he could tell me anything and will believe this man

and he's such a gentleman 28:27

I actually knew he was for sure a fascist like halfway in, he was acting mad sus especially the part where he said "I am zero percent Hitler" since people tend to use terminology like that when they are at least somewhat lying (true that he wasn't Hitler, but he was a fascist)

Also term limits

Correct. I see a lot of playthroughs on youtube where players violate the rules (like this one). On the positive side, I have seen (much) worse rule violations on other channels that forced me to quit watching the video (and quit watching their channel altogether).

@@maxeisert7466 It's annoying when the rule broken is clearly there for a good reason (like the president not being term-limited in small games), but when channels like Smosh have the Chancellor pull the top 3 cards instead of the President its interesting to watch how the dynamic changes, even if its incorrect.

There was a channel (forget which it was) where a player (as President) drew 3 policy cards and said to the Chancellor "it doesn't matter, you can take any of my 3 policy cards you like". This violation went against the whole purpose of the game and made it useless to watch the playthrough any further as nobody even bothered to straighten that guy out. That's where I also quit watching their channel.

Yep!

Dude that's exactly what I was thinking!

literally what I was just thinking

One thing they don't mention is that the fascists know each other. Where this game gets way more interesting is in groups of 7 or more players. With 7 players, the fascists get to know the identity of Hitler, but Hitler is doesn't know who the other fascists are. That results in two factions trying to deduce fascist identities, and creates situations where Hitler can misidentify their allies.

z beeblebrox they did mention that at the beginning tho

@@tassyatiffany Yeah I worded that wrong. I meant they didn't mention how the rules change for 7+ players

They're never gonna trust you again

Maybe the universe is saying something...

was it the first or the last game that you weren't hitler?

“Dude it can’t be me again what are the odds” Will never be a good reason again.

I love the republic and I love democracy

“Anti fascists are the real fascists here” You are like little baby, watch THIS: “There’s nothing wrong with fascism”

Since the other comments have been deleted, I just wanted to reiterate that it's valid for people to feel uncomfortable about a game that casually puts "Hitler" or "Nazi" in the title, particularly in the current political climate. Games are ostensibly fun and I can see why someone might have had a negative initial response to this video. They might have misunderstood the scope of the game, but there's simply no need to mock them as irrational or stupid, or to dogpile on them because you don't share or understand their discomfort.

Tom Laurie woah I didn’t even realize this was a thing that happened.

I can understand why though people have that reaction at first, it's named "Secret Hitler", which sounds jokey, and it's made by the people who made "Cards Against Humanity", a game with a notorious history of doing problematic things to be edgy.

True praxis is playing a Board Game

They also handed Chancellor to an elected president at 14:40

@@R4ndomNMBRS which they can do as there are only 5 players, in which case only the previously elected chancellor cannot be chancellor again

R4ndomNMBRS elected president i think u didnt understand the game

Also after the 3rd fascist card is played and the chancellor is elected, no one asked the chancellor if they was hitler. There’s been times I’ve played and no one said anything after being elected chancellor when the game would’ve been over 3-4 elections earlier

@@joncollier4047 Pretty sure the expectation is that Hitler would reveal themself without being asked, since the win condition is met. They actually acknowledged that Clayton wasn't Hitler because of that at the end of that round.

There's a group of people that always play this at the lunch table right next to me, but I've never really paid attention to them.

As soon as she made That Face I KNEW

Yeah it was kinda *overboard*

I know from experience that hidden role games can be really intense tbh. There's werewolves, and blinking killer, but this game here also features the most horrid creatures of the night* so it is no wonder it is so charged. (Edit: *i am of course talking about the fascists, and not about the people playing it!)

Joeffrey Zano Mafia doesn't really approach this game's complexity though. It's just a guessing game that lasts for 10 minutes.

Completely fucking lost

Elsa Frost Mafia is a great game. The good thing about it is you can play the basic base game or add in the other roles as more people play.

Already ahead of you, friend! www.polygon.com/tabletop-games

You're literally watching it. It says at the start: "Welcome to Overboard, Polygon's show about board games."

@@Ramboost007 Yeah because the one video every 4 months is an actual piece of content

Ashley obvious fascist when she lied about the top card.

@@jackhuang9131 She wasn't a fascist, tho. She just forgot. They went over the roles at the end.

oh I did not know that. That makes failing elections even more useful

yeah that's how I've always seen it played. it makes sense as there is no president elected to use the presidents power

so the killing was basically not in the rules?

Was just thinking the same thing

thats hiw mafia works

See the online game "Town of Salem"

tbm275 ^

ZX T Similar to werewolf

We're you a level 25 boss?

Thats a really interesting idea!

i would play that 12/10

vigi shoot the mayor, etc

Samuel Parris has voted. Samuel Parris has canceled their vote. Samuel Parris has voted. Samuel Parris has canceled their vote. Samuel Parris has voted. Samuel Parris has canceled their vote.

Fun Fact: Did you know that the names of characters in the game are names of real people from Salem trials?

Haven't played that in quite some time.

9 months late, but have a question. After a few failed elections, the first law is passed, it then resets. Does this mean, more can fail next, and the next card is used?

@@ReubenXR If you fail 3 times the marker is reset to zero and you continue playing as normal.

@@RyanTarney So, in this game, after they failed the first time, why couldn't they continue failing votes? Because they "knew' the next 2 will 100% be blue?

@@ReubenXR They should have done that, Yes. This game should have been over as soon as it was revealed the top 3 cards were 2 Liberals and a Fascist. Because no matter the order, Liberals vote no for Anarchy and anyone who votes yes to avoid that is a Fascist who you can Kill if needed.

@@RyanTarney Only if you trust the person who said there were two blue after a red.

Sam Galloway Clayton was being totally honest though. Also he was like explaining the game. He said as u can see I'm not facist alrdy. Kind of pointless to lie to the audience if u're basically the game master and we the audience don't really understand how the game works.

The issue with that is that that IS EXACTLY how a lot of board game geeks like to play evil hidden roles. They use their knowledge, and the fact that they'll explain things to you that are beneficial to the good guys as a shield. Then when they see a good opportunity to abuse their clout, they'll take it to make a surgical strike. Because of that, I personally had Clayton labeled as a clear fascist, but not Hitler early on, and he kept reinforcing it with his actions. That's about the only time an experienced hidden role player will talk excessively, because it tends to draw suspicion on you otherwise (you also don't clam up because that's even worse). I actually thought either Ashley or Jeff were Hitler for a bit. It was hard to tell if Jeff was acting flustered or he really had just painted himself in the color. Either way, I knew he wasn't doing his role well, but couldn't tell if people pressing on him was because he was a liability to the plan or not. If he WAS a fascist, he was a perfect fall guy for the team to get Hitler elected. Ashley was an obvious fascist of some kind from the beginning. She clammed up IMMEDIATELY once discussion started, and that's a common defense for bad roles on slightly less experienced players. It makes you really suspicious. So, if you're a fascist, you've labeled yourself untrustworthy, and if you're liberal, you've made your teammate suspect you. I thought she might be Hitler for a while because that would definitely be a reason for someone to want to draw even less attention to themselves from the beginning, and I think Clayton suspected her as Hitler until she stupidly got 3 fascist laws passed under her power. The only way she would be Hitler at that point was if she was a master class level player trying to disguise herself as a common fascist so another experienced player would nominate her to get the power of killing next round. Possible, but I considered it unlikely considering her actions. I had Simone as a suspicious party for a while, but considering how much she acted out early on, I thought it was unlikely she was Hitler, because drawing attention to yourself is the worst thing to do as Hitler (and was probably a good reason Clayton was able to call her out). She eventually got into enough of a flow that I moved from Jeff to her as the other Liberal for a while (I assume Pat was a liberal until near the end). I never quite got her as Hitler, but that's also because I believe Clayton was a fascist until the end. From Clayton's viewpoint, the answer was obvious once it became his turn. He knew it was one of those two and one of them acted suspicious at the beginning but started to clam up and had a very suspicious vote of "Nein" near the end, and the other almost seemed to want to draw attention to himself near the end (Pat). So, among those two, it's almost always going to be the quieter player if they're not completely incompetent (or sometimes very smart in VERY specific scenarios). As they said, Pat did an EXCELLENT job as a fascist. He talked exactly as much as he needed to and pushed things only when it didn't make him suspicious. Pushing too hard on getting elected was his downfall though. He clearly wanted to make his party seem innocent. So, I knew he wasn't Hitler, but he went from obvious Liberal to suspect in that moment. Needless to say, it's a pretty complicated game, but from Clayton's perspective, it was somewhat of a foregone conclusion after they shot Jeff.

I was convinced it was ashley and Jeff The 2 fascists did a great job, Clayton is smarter than me

what do you thing about the kill? Facists know from the beginning who is their teammate. so the killing doesn´t make much sense. To kill a facist as a facist? Or don´t they know?

A Cabsalt Throwing a teammate under the bus to throw people off your scent is a pretty easy tactic, especially if they draw attention to themselves.

indeed

I'd say that is a good house rule to use them though. The powers especially the bullets are one of the most exciting parts of the game and it seems weird to skip that. Also seeing as it's meant to be chaos if you wanted to you could spin the bottle to kill a random player this would obviously add more luck to the game but it would be fun.

Oh, I scrolled through to check if anyone caught that! Good eye

True

Yes, the power is invalid after 3 failed elections.

Take shots of water! Then you’ll just be hydrated

@@liladuvendack9931 lmbo im gonna use this

She left Polygon. It was apparently after being harassed by someone else at the Vox media building.

im0james0bond7 that’s what I was thinking too!!!

some people don't want it even if liberal though

IdleThoughts there’s a reason but it is odd. It’s based of their experiences personally I don’t think that’s a reason to think they are hitler mainly because hitler WANTS power atleast once or twice to get proven mainly twice because at that point you become “confirmed” in the eyes of a true lib even if you’re president you get a bullet if it’s in zone 2 so libs sometimes don’t want it that way they have a higher chance of being president in the end game where chancellorship is only given to 100% proven and people in “conflict”

Idk, I feel like it's a very Simone thing to do

They're like naughty siblings- it was immediately obvious haha

Also: My family plays this on holidays and this video is disturbingly similar to the last time we played when me and my brother were the fascist pair. A very fun game, good for destroying familial trust

I've never played this but my family regularly plays "Resistance" which is a similar. Last time my brother and I were spies we had such sibling esp that we were able to understand the elaborate text message buzzes we were sending one another under the table. We've also used blinks and facial cues. My brother and I always wind up one game per game night as a team.

Welcome to Look TM

In a way... I just outed my work outfit fetish thingy.

pat just be like that

Pat is always handsome. Its his glorious hair.

Lia Angyal THATS WHAT I WAS THINKING

It’s because Pat is fascist.

Yeah, but the communists were the least secretive of the three. Their violent gangs roaming the streets is what paved the way for Hitler to be elected.

Good idea man .

@@giin97 so did the Nazis before Hitler turn his party around. Violence on the far right and left in Germany during that time.

Communists don't pass laws in a capitalist state

Alaskafish honestly the early, violent betrayal of the communist party by the socialists in like 1918 stymied the left. the left was divided and coalitions even more unstable and skewed to the right. i don’t think they had much power at all, especially considering the system of elites that ended up putting hitler in power. i don’t know how much it would add the the game,,,plus like,,,,complexity can drown a board game

JEFF SHOULD'VE LIVED

This also frustrated me

Also the strategy should have been to keep failing. If the next two were believed to be Liberal laws then you just fail 6 more votes and Liberals win.

Of course, that implies Ashley is telling the truth. While ultimately it's shown that she was telling the truth, she _was_ the one that plunged them into that mess by apparently "forgetting" what was the cards she just looked at. She wouldn't look so trustworthy

It would prove if she was liberal or facist. As you could keep failing elections. If the next card is liberal, continue on. If facist, she is now for sure a facist and you can safely kill her.

Also Ashley's head-shot in this video is equally 💯👌👀 Dare I say 💯👌👀💯👌👀

💄🐶 ?

jmcrofts I

I like how pat cleans invisible lipstick off his own tooth before telling her.

jmcrofts o

YOU ACTUAL DUMBASS DONT SAY SPOILERS AND NOT EVEN HIDE THE SPOILERS UNDER "READ MORE" PEOPLE CAN INSTANTLY SEE IT

@@crazymjm507 good point

sigh824 Jeff is all of us when we are liberals though, honest truth

when did it happen

As soon as Simone was throwing shade on everyone I knew she HAD to be Fascist. She was acting too paranoid, and spreading fear. She knew who were teammates were and who not to make suspicious. Hence if she played it right, everyone would kill the person she mad suspicious, which happened. But I agree, Pat touching Simone’s shoulder gave it away for me.

When did he touch her shoulder?

28:16 Is when Simone gives a terrible reason and then Pat suspiciously stares at the camera and touched her shoulder whispering a couple words fast while everyone else was thinking mentally about the cards. I even speculate that Pat purposely killed Jeff because it looks like he might have caught Pat whispering to Simone.

Prettypinkdork sneaky!!! I didn’t catch that! Lol

Fand es kurzzeitig verwirrend xD