Let's Talk About How Horrible Fandoms Have Become 

Genshin vs its sibling games (Honkai Impact 3rd, Star Rail, ZZZ etc.) is also funny given the inherent overlap in communities.

Bro Genshin even having beef with their own game😂

Genshin fandom hate everyone, that also include the game itself and themselves Seriously, all other Hoyo games fandom are not as awful like Genshin's

Can't wait for the beef with MLP fandom 🤣

The genshin players are like the LoL players, they hate the game, but they have a lot of time and money in it, that are bent to defend that they aren't wasting their time with something they hate and makes them miserable....but well... I can say the same for the D&D or marvel fandom...

I genuinely still have no clue why they decided to review bomb Google Classroom of all things. I mean, what was their thought process behind this???

​@@bendman9136there was no thought process, they don't think

@@circle4602 honestly ngl its just funny hearing the gaming news and seeing this

@@circle4602can confirm we don’t think

@@ninguem8872 And then they decide to destroy Google Maps by creating fake reviews (three words: Zhongli Mining Corporation. Also, there was a picture of Klee playing with Samsung Galaxy S7 phones and another with Childe saying, "HELP ME GIRLIE IM DRIWNING") P.S. They also make fake reviews for a German automobile company and a small ice cream shop just because they are named "Tartaglia".

case and point (for fandoms), touhou no other fandom can siphon enough people away to kill it, even if it has been losing hype over the years. the only way a game dies is by poor updates. sekai wasn't a bandori killer, but bandori is slowly imploding within, whereas sekai is still going strong.

I feel those people are mostly ex genshin players that got fed up how mihoyo doesn't give enough rewards, so they want competition to ramp it up for genshin to get better. Case in point, they decided to raise the max stamina after wuthering waves was close to release.

I think it's mostly a marketing crutch to boost early sales. I remember the era of WoW/Halo killers and all the beef that went on back in the 2010s internet. In the end, most of the games that rode on the 'game killer' mentality imploded within a year or two. The ones that went on to be successful long term did so by doing what they did best and not concerning themselves with trying to beat the competition right out the gate.

Remember the so-called “Pokemon Killers”? Somebody better tell them that Shin Megami Tensei came *FIRST* before Pokemon AND similar franchises like Digimon, Yo-kai Watch, Temtem, Palworld, Casette Beasts, and many others.

The only time I felt that was actually true was when Among Us just took over the world a month after Fall Guys did.

feels like the police after they checked on crazy cult before their lider course them to drink a poison to (redacted) themselves

Yeah

At least for the most part we are friendly but yeah the brain rot is definitely real

"You must Gangnam.... Like i have...."

We're like sleeper agents

You thought sleeper agents ARE A JOKE?!

Side note, watching that video just made me want to watch old Doctor Who instead of making me hate the show, so like, maybe chill

Jay Exci was the creator in question, and the main reason people got filtered (as seen on Twxtter) was the five-hour runtime. Anyone who actually took the time to watch/listen and understand where Jay was coming from would know exactly what you mean. Also, last I checked, Jay was mid-transition, and I've not heard from them in quite some time. I hope they're doing alright.

​@@amberhernandez what does mid-transition mean?

Pokemon fans

@@lifeisnotokiedokie7243 Gender transition. Sorry for not elaborating; I'm used to talking about it casually because of a coworker going through it as well lol

That's why I don't interact with any community at all, with maybe exception of TF2, DRG and partially Ultrakill, wit other communities I interact only when it's safe to interact, so basically I have to filter parts of community so I can enjoy good parts of it and avoiding bad parts of it and as you can guess, the good parts are sadly minority in game like Genshin. Why Fandoms now day are so bad, I don't know and I am worried it get worse

A cult is one way to call it, other one is tribalism.

true 💯% calling a spade a spade.

The moment it becomes a fandom, it's no longer a community, it's a cult of brainwashed weirdos who take any criticism like a personal attack.

​@@Jasiuc330not a criticism : why Tf2? Its the most cultish fandom i ever meet (even more then the one talked in this video), and in fact i had to remove myself from it twice in My life. Genuinely curious

you think this is criticism? trying to slander other groups of people is not criticism, its just rude in general. you wouldnt call the african american community a bunch of negative words and then defend it calling it criticism, so why are you defending some poorly thought out ragebait such as this one

@@jackdalton2872 You think the video is ragebait? LMAO

Some Authoritarian Governments: *Nervous Sweating*

@@jackdalton2872 You are literally the type of person Tsunul is talking about

​​@@jackdalton2872 we did it boys, we found the person Tsunul was talking about and he doesn't even realize it

😢 Why?

this is why i dislike how nagging young people in fandom today. in past we have golden rule "don't like, don't click" where you avoid the topic you dislike or just don't engage with it. i don't like vore, but i just don't look for it. Even if i accidentally see one, i just scroll down. i know someone out there like it, why bother to interact with it? stay in your own lane and mind your own business is always the best internet policy

PGR and Wuwa fans to ZZZ fans be like

@@trollaseum6174 Are ZZZ peeps already having Genshin mentality?

I both agree & disagree with that golden rule, simply scrolling past the thing you don't like is valid, but interacting with something you don't like and commenting on it is also valid. Why should you not be able to comment on something just because it could come across as negative? Sounds like a boring life to me.​@@mitacestalia7532

They had their way in CN and Snowbreak is the example. The devs will listen to everything the players want and the fandom are happy with it. You start seeing more sexual appeals added in the game since launch, and all male NPCs deleted. The company have hired people to constantly watching the online discussions and respond to any drama within hours. All the players need to do is to yell hard enough. They treat it as a service instead of a game.

So toxic, insane fandoms can basically become cults for games and companies that never really wanted it, and complain and whatever else like some holy crusade mixed with Twitter drama

@@landforest1999 Doing great work spreading misinformation there

​@@kiyama7997 game is a service bet you dont wanna go to a spa that wants you to climb a mountain

yeah like some male players thinking that gacha games should belong just to them, no male characters allowed in games because they are in delusional relationship with their fictional waifus.. its so stupind and unfortunately ruining games from rest of us. I have seen a shift in Hoyoverse games lately: less males, their kits suck, or waifus powercreep them. this is issue mostly in HSR, have to wait and see how it goes in Natlan but there is like two new male characters out of 7 new female. and last 5* male was Wriothesley that was like 10 months ago. lmao.

forget wallet, can your phone endure it? 😭

I play both

Double!? Boi Im a addicted Limbus player, that's THREE for me!

​@@blazichaos7181rip to your phone and wallet 😂

HSR and wuwa player here, luckily BP is HSR sucks, and wuwa give lots of free stuff, so its kinda easy to play with just welkin for both 😁.

Hazbin and Helluva have the biggest ones, the ability to hate something so much is impressive

holy shit ultrakill

Fandom *Versus* fandom is inevitable nowadays because all they want is a *Duel*

THIS IS THE ONLY WAY IT COULD HAVE ENDED. WAR NO LONGER NEEDED ITS FANBASES. IT HAD BECOME A SELF SUSTAINING SYSTEM. THE FANDOM WAS CRUSHED UNDER THE WHEEL OF A TOXICITY CREATED TO CREATE THE TOXICITY TO CRUSH THE TOXICITY. SAMSARA OF ALLEGATIONS AND WAIFU WARS. DRAMA WITHIN THE FANDOM. NULL OROBOROS. ALL THAT REMAINED IS WAR WITHOUT REASON. A MAGNUM OPUS. A RABID HATEFUL CLAN. A FANDOM CREATED TO END TOXICITY IS ALWAYS A FANDOM CREATED TO CONTINUE TOXICITY. YOU WERE BEAUTIFUL, OUTSTRETCHED LIKE ANTENNAS TO HEAVEN. YOU WERE BEYOND THE INTERNET. YOU REACHED OUT FOR YOUR WAIFUS AND YOU FELL. NON WOULD WANT TO PLAY THE GAMES YOU LOVED, NO WHOLESOMENESS, NO CONCLUDING STATEMENT. NO POINT. PERFECT CLOSURE. *THIS IS THE ONLY WAY IT SHOULD HAVE ENDED*

Vikings were superior people

ULTRAKILL!?

mental damage of genshin + wuwa + zzz + hsr space rots the modern gacha mind

me who in genshin and limbus: *sipping tea*

I couldn't care more about genshin fandom. They all treat the game as haven when i remember back then when so many genshin acc was hack-able. Tho I'm enjoying my HSR and I'm all for it joining HSR shit talk genshin fandom 😂

​@@his_creation9275low-key you may have missed the point of the video. But, also, if you were in the genshin fandom for longer you'd easily see just how much people shit on the game as well. And by shit, I mean that and have genuine criticisms of it. Of course when it came out people hailed it, it was an open world anime looking game that promised different nations inspired by different regions of the real world. Things are much different now, I don't think even whales are defending the game/devs that aggressively. Maybe the coomers who play the game with one hand, but anybody even vaguely normal, nah.

​@@his_creation9275 as a player who play all hoyo games. I find HSR fandom as spoiled brats.

MINOS

@@Sheesh7328 JUDGEMENT 🗣️🔥🔥🔥

based minus promo🗣️

Even Godzilla has toxic fans (or should I say, radioactive?). These idiots weren’t noticed until that one video by Doktor Skipper (and before that, we had the controversy surrounding Deadzilla (who turned out to be a groomer)).

@@nicholaslienandjaja1815 I'm not really sure about everything else. But the fandom attacking Doktor Skipper's video was valid since it had a lot of dissengenuious points

Rule of thumb: no matter how tempting it is and how much the work has taught you precious values, DO NOT take a work of fiction too personally to the point that it becomes part of your personality. Especially when it was created by a company and its main motivator is profit (A.K.A: the work is treated more as a product than art). Parasocial relationships with works of fiction are real and they're a hell of a drug.

what's next, they gonna beef with a p@rn game?

@@joseurbanos.domingo6344 yes.

​@@joseurbanos.domingo6344they are already beefing with Neverness to Everness. An upcoming gacha game that looks pretty cool!

​@@joseurbanos.domingo6344"we got the better character designs" 💀

@@joseurbanos.domingo6344 nah snowbreak is not that big

I used to be a Wuthering Waves hater for its…problems during launch and toxic fandom (I even called it “bootleg Genshin” or “Genshin “Killer”” (see the quotation marks)). Nowadays, I feel OK about it AND realized its strengths and weaknesses (thank you, Mujin and Koomaxx). Still not going to play it anyway because I want free space for my cell phone AND iPad.

Kuro's fan here and I left the WuWa community in just a week after release. Most WuWa players who sh*t on Genshin were Genshin quitters and haters. They're like cockroaches that crawling around and talk shit on Genshin whenever they got a chance. Glad that you covered this up, PGR fanbase are humble af and they're completely diff from WuWa fans.

Nope its genshin attacking wuwa for longest of time saying taoqi ult copy genshin and wuwa will flop. There's so much people can take before people got annoys.

@@wanabid98 Actually, it is. Taoqi Ultimate is literally Eula's Burst, frame by frame. However, i'm fine with that since it's okay to "copy" good stuff. Genshin early characters movesets are also heavily influenced by Nier: Automata, too. Besides, about WuWa will flop, that's a bad take, it won't be as sucessful as Genshin in revenue but tbh, WuWa is just too good to flop. In short, both are great games and have their own toxic community. Just avoid them and enjoy the game.

Yeah, I find it funny that people are attacking each other over their games like they are a spiritual company investor or something, when the company themselves only cares about the profits and what not. We're seeing the 80's-90's console wars but with gacha. Most of the time, the vocal ones you see online are always the most problematic in their community, it's as if you can only play games from the other side and not touch their competitor's game; I'd rather play and calculate how much income I'll get during this patch in PGR/AL/HSR than participate in their shitflinging.

The chillest gacha game fandom is Blue Archive. They have no beef with anyone.

​@@McCaroni_Sup bro have you seen the time when max0r tried out their game?

I have some things I'd like to add: Unfortunately, a lot of people do hide behind the word and sincerity of "criticism" as a way to attack players. So while there definitely are people just trying to point out flaws with a game, no matter if it's the story or pacing or characters or rewards or gameplay, there's also people who very much intend for it to be a personal attack. I've seen genshin metaslaves mock casual players, grown ass adults mocking children for playing the game (???), and both essentially at once. To the point people think Natlan, despite Genshin's continuous trend of colorful worlds hiding darker stories underneath, is Genshin "becoming a children's game". Yeah, sure, the game with jiggle physics and lingerie as clothing and open world stories ranging from child sacrifices to human experimentation. Is for children. Probably coming from the same people who think, in the laziest way possible, that blood and guts equals "mature". To be clear I'm not against criticizing the game, in fact because I love genshin so much I have tons of critiques for it, but I feel the problem is less about "hate vs constructive critique" and more about people learning to recognize what actually is critique and not an excuse to bash on something they'll never give the time of day. Last thing, when it comes to Natlan's (+ Sumeru) issue with light colors despite the regions Genshin is taking from...people are just more upset that characters are being made pale for the usual sex appeal/beauty standards. While there's definitely a lot of racism, specifically when it comes to Chinese people in these spaces, there's also just truth hiding behind some stuff. That's what racism essentially is, taking something real and bastardizing it to the point of stereotyping and dehumanization. Like with "Chinese" people struggling to pronounce their l sounds being a racist stereotype, even though their languages have an l sound and it's Japanese people who say r instead of l. That's a real thing, but it was hyper focused on and made into a Chinese person thing over time, probably because other Asian ethnicities became more palatable in the west over China's. Not that that's a good thing for them either, it's still racism. Anyways, since you probably are more familiar with that than I am, we really can't deny there is a problem with colorism. Not that it's purely a "China problem" since that kind of nonsense is found everywhere, but it's still worth mentioning. As far as I'm aware, pale skin has long since been a beauty standard in Asia, unlike Western colorism it was mainly due to classism and the lightness of your skin correlating to being of higher class, right? However even if far eastern colorism comes from classism and not racism, it's still admittedly a problem. I don't know why hoyo chose to take from India, Persia/Iran, Turkey, Egypt, vaguely the middle east let's be honest, West Africa, almost all of Mesoamerica, and the Pacific Islands, and ignore the people who made those cultures they're using. However I do know that there's a prominent issue of valuing lighter skin over medium or darker skin tones all over the world. It would be stupid to say all of China is racist, or that every single Chinese person would drop the game if there were ""too many brown characters""...so I won't. Because that's genuinely wrong and a fatal misunderstanding. But there's nothing similarly racist around acknowledging an issue, even if it's with people from another country. I definitely understand and empathize with you if you've seen a lot of sinophobia online, but as another brown person myself I have to say there's a difference between poorly hidden racism and genuine issues. Not to mention it's far more likely, though not improbable, for a racist player to be just as racist to the brown players that wanted to see their identities in the game that claimed to show it. In fact Ive seen a whole lot of people in various languages happy the Natlan characters are as light as coffee creamer. Unfortunately it's not rare for a racist to see people upset about something, then use anonymity to act like they're with them while being racist to a different group, thinking it's justified in anyway. In short because I take too long to explain simple things, acknowledging there's a bias against darker skin tones isn't racist until someone deliberately says something about Chinese people. Meaning they act as if it's a Chinese thing only, or forget that not all Chinese people are paper white like the commercials and TV shows. Again, you can see that in a whole bunch of ethnicities no matter where in the world, even in places where people naturally and indigenously have darker skin. And, of course, if a statement doesn't apply to you then it doesn't apply, say if I overheard someone upset that latinos were colorist-they'd honestly be right, even if that wouldn't apply to me. Even if I and many others are different in that sense, there's still an overwhelming majority that are colorist, to the point of skin bleaching or keeping people from going outside too long. I hope this comment is as respectful as I intended it to be, since I know decency and sincerity can vanish through texts, much more social media. I just hope this can be a positive conversation, especially since talking about half of what I did isn't always taken seriously. Even if just a game, I don't think what genshin did to natlan and sumeru is all that good. And ofc not all criticism should be perceived as personal attacks, as well as people learning to not join hate bandwagons instead of avoiding the thing they dislike.

@@Vesperad0 you just summarized tectone and all other drama farming content creators who use their "criticisms" as an excuse to just insult and degrade the community of a game they don't even care about/play which in turn creates an endless drama for them to capitalize on. I am guilty on taking part on all of this tribalism nonsense and I just decided to stop.

CASSETTE BEASTS MENTIONED

Hey, Palworld discourse was how I found out about Cassette Beasts. Something good came out of all that.

This just reminded me I need to finish cassette beasts

Ironically, the Palworld discourse is what GOT me into Cassette Beasts.

*weak incorrect buzzer not really, some people reacted the opposite.

No all of them are the same dead brain fandom thae only difference is genshin impact is the biggest of them so more louder voices

​goddamn genshin fan, must not correct 💢

What’s next? Genshin vs. Super Smash Bros.? (Guess what will happen if a Genshin Impact character DID get announced for Super Smash Bros. 6)

​@@somechinesedude5466hehehe genshin vs blue archive

except when the complains are about in-game reward.(and the gameplay for some extent)

Reminds me of the time some artist got bullied and harassed so hard that they announced that they will no longer be drawing straight ships and then some jackass retweeted it with 'WE WON'

Idk where you are, but I have never seen anyone outside of the west never ship anything. That's a wild, truly wild thing to say. Hell whenever I come across it, most fanfictions and nsfw art I see for the genshin fandom (specifically) are done by non English speaking players. Shipping and being insane about it is not a western thing, unless you're taking typical fandom silliness (at best) to be western just so you can shit on it. Sorry, but not everything you hate is only ever done by a westerner, which I really know just means American. Americans may be stupid, known for it, but they aren't the only stupid people on the planet. That and there's a lot better things you can shit on the US for, things more based in reality. But that being said, what about the players that only play as some porn game? The people who play exclusively in japanese and/or have their hand down their pants? I'm not expecting you to defend them, but to me it's wild how your first complaint is with shippers and not coomers. Or, whatever less cringy term there is to reference them. At least there's some defense for shippers, with those people there's nothing at all. While there are shippers that care about lore or retaining personalities, there's not one 🎺y player that gives a damn about those things. Not unless it gives them fuel for a made up self insert backstory, like with Firefly, only making her background relevant when it comes to stupid scenarios of her sleeping with the faceless nameless self insert. Or the people that will turn red in the face arguing a character clearly meant to be a child "ackshually is 3000000 years old" while totally not having a hidden hard drive. Honestly, I'm real tired of the people acting like the western side of whatever is the thing to complain about today, is the only side having problems. Are the only ones shipping, or simping, etc etc. It just feels like an easy way to blame the west for everything as if everybody here thinks and acts the same. I may not be able to speak for the Chinese community since I don't speak nor live in China, or the Japanese or Korean or general eastern communities, but I can still see they're just as lamely human. Unfortunately, there will always be drama seekers no matter the language, and people causing problems for no reason no matter their home nation. Considering the Chinese community, by which I'm guessing the whales or something, not the normal players, reported hoyo to the _government_ for "nerfing" Neuvillette. Genuinely, do you not think that's wild in comparison to someone shipping characters they like? To the government? Over a video game character?? ...also aside from everything else your post doesn't make sense. People can't quit or ship or make up drama if they weren't engaging with something. If these people don't even play the game, how would they be writing Bible length fanfiction or making drama about something you'd have to be up to date to understand? Either these people aren't players, or they are, because just shipping isn't exactly a valid argument for "not being a real fan"-especially when Genshin's fanbase ranges from lore hunters to embarrassing waifu collectors to the stated shippers and drama farmers.

The problem is when it's just a one sided competition. WW isn't that big, or good, to be a real competition, so Genshin will stay the same, imo.

I currently play both WuWa and Genshin. And I can say for certain that WuWa has issues, but people who defend WuWa use Genshin as a shield to deny the valid criticism against WuWa. So it's not just one side here.

​​​@@GoujikiTrue

iirc, it was because the original writing just had everyone be an asshole to the player for some weird reason and then they took a complete 180 with turning the protagonist into jesus. my experience with the story was that I really almost fell asleep (they really should have put it in the middle imo). funny enough guy who wrote snowbreak's first 10 chapters ended up being the writer for wuwa, which humorously explains why it's so bad since the 10 chapter is unanimously agreed by the fandom to just be bad, so bad that ignoring the ML edits, the team just planned to outright rewrite the entire thing. combat is good but it was just poorly built which just made the game unplayable on my end and by the time they might have fixed it I frankly just have no more interest in playing open world gachas anymore.

Meanwhile, in Zenless Zone Zero: Characters swear, but get censored

@@nicholaslienandjaja1815 also from 16 to 12+

I think it has now been so cooled down now tho than it was before, i think because most of the war was caused from the kids. But now since most of them have grown up i dont see as much war as before. Even if there is, most of them is caused from the kids

@@InfinitySevens And console vs. mobile gaming

for someone, playing "the best game" in their genre probably one of their achievement

@@tsukujam3080 true, if the is only one game in the genre, then it becomes the best game.

nah you're not the only one, I honestly understand as well where the criticisms are coming from but we do need to understand that this is ProjectMoon, a company that made Lobotomy Corporation and Library of Ruina and both are games that require heavy reading comprehension and knowledge of the mechanics and passives, that's making Limbus Company. A Company hellbent on making us read and suffer through multiple mechanics or passives making a game in the Gacha space which has some mind numbing gameplay I've ever had the displeasure of having (criticism could be invalid since I've only ever played Genshin, Star Rail, and Cookie Run: Kingdom) so I can see why people who havent played the past two games just spam Win Rate without a thought when they need to consider saving skills for clashing, what skills to use to stockpile EGO resources, what attacks to redirect, clash, or tank, and what damage type or sin affinity deals the most damage. I love how simple the combat is and how the different Identities, Mechanics and Passives change it up. Hell even the EGO Gifts, Luxcuvations and Railways change shit up a lot and I love it. Plus with the simplicity of the combat it makes it much easier to implement complicated mechanics or passives and makes it a lot less painful to restart because you aren't spamming WASD and spam clicking your mouse. And yeah there is a buttload of misinformation and misunderstanding with the combat because the tutorial for Limbus just sucks ass and the only other tutorial are ESGOO's better tutorial videos and the extensive guides and breakdowns of Identities and Gamemodes. this was a stupid rant ajfskidjr oh my god and I wrote this at 2am

I think most of the critisism behind Limbus's combat is because it is similar to Library of Runia's combat but will less room for creativity. Limbus forces you to use whatever clashes higher or else your sp lowers and you could never win a clash, especially if the enemy also gains sp. It also forces you to build a team to fulfil coin power conditionals. I do like some of the new features though. Edit: I should clarify that many people hold Limbus company to a higher standard because of Project moon's previous game.

its funny seeing the same discussion appear from time to time of why the win rate button isn't working against Ricardo 😂

​@@doge_fish4820 Yep I do see this complaints a lot. Lemme just summarise the most popular complaints i see. Many of the misunderstandings stem from the fact people dont understand that Limbus is an RNG management/optimisation game, where you try to optimise your rate of winning the fight as much as possible. I do understand people not liking rng management gameplay but most players havent really given this playstyle a try yet, considering the practically non existent tutorial doesnt make this obvious and you arent incentivised to do it since the game is so easy. Many players dont really care about the gameplay either and are just trying to winrate to get to the story. I notice I play extremely differently compared to everyone else too. 1. All or nothing coin system Highly disagree with this one/ The coins determine how much damage the enemy is doing and the risk level if you let the clash through. Dont blindly clash everything, ensure that the highest risk skills can never be let through you can block the other skills if necessary. Molar Ishmael exists too. Also bring tanks, if the attack is AOE, you may let it through. Also clash lose skills exist too like Claim bones. I do want PM to lower the risk level on skills on certain enemies especially skills with high AOE when you lose that clash the game is basically over, but you do have time to prep ego for it and the timing on these moves are usually predictable. 2. Sanity snowballing I disagree with this one. For me, it only feels frustrating in a few instances, low turning the 1st node in railway and bamboo hatted kim fight. Most importantly, its pretty bad in human fights where you cannot control targeting. For a fight like Donbaek, you can let your sinners spread out and tank the bloom status and gain sanity via the flowers after 3 turns at up. You can use fewer sinners to let certain sinners gain more sanity faster. There are so many strategies to combat low sanity like using high base power units like BLsang and Molar Ishmael with 10 base evade and giving her multiple slots. SHe is the only sinking unit you need on your team to deal with sanity bosses too. Paralysis and offence level down also works, using defence level up and protection on zwei gregor also works. Using a sanity gain ego on turn 1 also works. Personally, I use block and evade to prevent bosses from gaining sanity. You can use defence cancelling on fights like Nelly so that she doesnt trigger her evade. For "The Beast" fight, I did this fight more than 9 times for fun with underlevelled teams with bad IDs of level 35-40. I won every single time, no resetting needed. I just blocked almost all the attacks, my most of my units were

same from my experience, the gameplay is pretty up to par tho i wanna say this issue for me with the combat is not that its not up to par, but that it kinda missed some potential too much ideas ive thought about to put here but yeah, its more missed potential and places where it coulda done better, but the base game i still good

And ironically the “fans” who say they’ll boycott ironically still play the game, or aren’t even fans in the first place and just want to complain.

Even as genshin player, i already laugh at the boycott attempt. Honestly kudos to the one who really stop playing the game. That's really how you cut the gamelife, by having less active player. But the one who said boycott but still play is an idiot.

@@Usotsukii. The funniest part for me is they start it for a non-issue, they say that they and (insert group that does not have a single problem with it) are mad and the moment there is a theaser or new patch they pretend nothing ever happened.

@@valterritter2894 I can tell that it is literally only westerners who have a problem with that kinda of stuff, literally nobody else complains about stuff like that.

Wait didnt the sonic fandom themselves prompted the war in the first place? When did genshin players themselves started boycotting genshin at that period?

Space and section this shit, dude. I got lost 5 times trying to read this.

I feel ya. But it seems the low attention span of people these days make it easy for them to just accept whatever they think fits their worldview. If that worldview is "xyz game is objectively bad in every area", then so be it. It's tragic. Genuine critics catch strays from weird people from the growing minority of angry people from, honestly, any fandom these days, not just Genshin.

The first one to do that was Shin Megami Tensei (and even then it’s less popular compared to one of its spin-offs, Persona).

Isn't it a pretty popular opinion that the first half of Steins Gate is incredibly slow, perhaps even snoozy, but then it hits and its one of the best anime stories to this day?

The thing is I don't get the whole "snoozy first half". Good stories take their building the foundation at the beginning, from setting to characters to the lore, in order to tell a coherent plot with compelling characters, and even a aesop with it Not just Steins Gate. Higurashi, Umineko, Reverse 1999 (especially the 1.7 story), novels, folktales, etc. They all do this. It's just that flashy Hollywood/Marvel MCU brainrotted a whole generation to be impatient and just action, action, joke, action

@@Tin_Le its a bit more since now animes have to start spiking up in 3 episodes max. for example take YGO zexal as an example it is probably the best yugioh anime but it starts slow. it really spikes up around episode 23 and it is one of the few times where the protagonist is straight up traumatized, twice and by the same group of monster too. it's a really good childrens card game anime is all I'm saying, just that people will never give it a try because it starts out so slow.

​@@nekoluxuria7721 as long as it didn't go the one piece routes when it only get really good after 500 eps then its still valid for me.

Why would Genshin people even care? 'Hey, we think our Chinese moneysink is superior to your Chinese moneysink from the exact same company', or what?

@@lacijuhos7613 I have no idea. Maybe they are just salty when someone likes different game over their favourite one.

you forgot HSR player also attacking

Or ZZZ player has worst take about "gunplay" simply because they just didn't play enough action game for their entire life.

@@politelical540 I can't even imagine what ZZZ has to do with the "gunplay" in the first place.

Yeah, sure do love being told that I have Stockholm Syndrome for not being interested in Palworld. Couldn't possibly be because I have actual criticisms regarding certain aspects... (Not aimed at you specifically, BTW, just tired of having my criticisms towards Palworld constantly shoved aside because 'I don't matter'.)

But seriously Genshin is a snoozefest

@jamesnicol8352 I mean, to each their own. I'm enjoying it personally.

Shin Megami Tensei came first before Pokemon, Digimon, Yo-kai Watch, Palworld, Temtem, Casette Beasts, etc. And ironically, it deconstructed the concept of monster collecting, befriending, and battling by having a dark storyline, abuse of demons, and characters dying. Too bad the SMT series was overshadowed by one of its spin-offs, Persona.

@@nicholaslienandjaja1815 dragon quest monsters came a close second to smt in timing yet people called the switch game "medieval pokemon"

Yup, we had “Pokemon Killers”, “Sonic Killers”, “GTA Killers”, “WoW Killers”, “Skyrim Killers”, “Super Smash Bros. Killers”, and now “Genshin Impact Killers”.

the problem is, is that they try to bring that to the ZZZ fandom (this is more apparent with the subreddit) and it falls apart because zzz is more than lolis, it has something for everyone.

​@@NeoSpirawhich is ironic. Because BA is also the same.

​@@NeoSpirai mean yeah, they have loli, but zzz also have sexy ladies, furries and bishounen. like the amount of horni i see because of lycaon makes me laugh

@@mitacestalia7532 HORNY FOR ALL ❤️

@@NeoSpira BA has more than lolis aswell and tbh most of ZZZ fandom has already embraced the loli character its just the official sub reddit being on their own R/ZenlessZoneZero (the unofficial one) has 2/3 the amount of members and its filled with cunny posting lmao

beef and fish

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i love Sinclair, but i can't even take it seriously too 😂😭

i love alice too but i fear that she will disappear if i touch the grass or drink my medicine

My dude, you went somewhere looking to cause trouble and anger people and then got surprised when you caused trouble and angered people. Sounds like you're the one who needs to touch grass.

yeah but games that people pay for still have toxic fanbases, adults are just as capable if not even more so than kids when it comes to being extremely toxic in their fanbase

Just Genshit players being genshit players

I seriously hate that sending gore shit. You aren't cool or edgy or "owning" anybody, you're at best some lame 14 year old who thinks they're tough for looking at intestines all day, or you're 30+ acting like a lame teenager. Idk why it's so hard to just not interact with something if you don't like it, or at least be decent when talking about how much you dislike it. I'm not even saying to never be loudly annoyed with something you really hate, I tend to do that with bland anime girls that a particular type of people tend to enjoy, but I'm not actively going out of my way to mock a fictional character. It can be fun to "bully" one, but being obsessive over something you claim to hate is just so unwarranted. There's a difference between passionate and obsessive, and most people are just obsessive.

My King or Queen, you dropped this: 👑.

I agree with the first part entirely about those who hate and those that are to much fans. Both are equally bad. but the second point of criticisms I don’t really agree with all of them.

Why can't Genshin fans be more like you?

Bro you peak my mind ,don't you?

WOOOAHHH ROUND AND ROUND WE GO

I wouldn't say its better than other fandoms since each fandom has its own unique qualities that some people may personally like more than others. The Blue Archive community is one of the most beloved and one of the most hated communities for example. Many people seem to accuse them of gatekeeping, when most of the comments I have seen on youtubers playing BA for the first time and even not liking the lolis have been pretty positive. A lot of them just really dont like the mainstream audience attacking the fanservice and lolis in their game. Whether this is a postive or negative is honestly up to person to person. I lot of Blue Archive players I see really adore their community. Every fandom has its bad apples and I think that would includes the PM fandom. I remember quite a few instances that really exemplified this. 1. The incident of summer 2023 War Flashbacks* 2. LOR ending review bombing 3. Battlepass costing paid lunacy Remember when PM made the battlepass cost paid lunacy which meant you had to purchase paid lunacy to get the battlepass and there wasn't a battlepass package at the time. Many people immediately went on their pitchforks and called out PM for their predatory monetisation including certain content creators who I shall not name. There was a ridiculous amount of misinformation going around as per usual with all PM controversies. Some people just said that since the changes were not implemented, PM is probably going to release a paid lunacy battlepass package soon. The Limbus Reddit and Pm community discord was pretty unusable for the entire day until sure enough PM released a statement saying they wanted to change the system for easier refunds, etc and that they completely forgot to include a paid battlepass package inside. This change was announced less than 24 hours. The PM community didn't even give 24 hours before they started rioting. 4.Enthusiasm There are some people that criticise the Limbus fandom for being too enthusiastic about their game. I saw recently one r/gachagaming post calling out Limbus players for glazing too hard and not contributing to discussions. I do understand too that it may be somewhat annoying for certain content creators to get a million unrelated PM comments for something random they said. But ultimately, this is a very minor issue, most people tend to not care. I do understand the hate if they do. Honestly after the summer incident, its really hard for me to fully integrate myself or like the PM fandom fully but its slowly recovering. Im not going to fully fault even the bad apples for behaving this way, if you think about everything on a macroscopic level and their individual perspectives, everyone's behaviour makes some amount of sense. Overall, I think my experience with the PM fandom has been pretty positive, the memes and inside jokes are pretty amazing and I really like participating in lore discussions. However Im mostly neutral on whether its one of the better fandoms I have been in

We have a nice little banner! It just says "Join us, we have Snaust!" with a picture of her saying "Snaust knows!".

​@@AudibleNoiseContentMan, the number three is kind of funny because when I see it all I can think is "This definitely a mistranslation or something because this can kill their game" and I'm right. Also that time I was calm because I'm pretty much F2P, so the battle pass doesn't affect me.

@@AudibleNoiseContent To be fair, the summer 2023 event was almost entirely solely on the Korean side, everybody else really didn't care about it. And even then it's due to their politics and current situation, not really related to what most normal people felt outside of Korea

@@sidekic1109 I highly disagree with this one, the EN community's reaction was worse than the KR community. There were dozens of CCs quitting because of misinformation. There was ridiculous amounts of misinformation like how people claimed that Koreans threatened violence(people still believe it to this day). People somehow still believe that the summer 2023 incident was started because of swimsuits. The most popular videos about the topic still contain ridiculous amounts of misinformation or seemed to be made in bad faith to fit their narrative.

And to a lesser extent, Fossil Fighters (despite both being owned and published by Nintendo).

What gets me even more is (at least from what I know) Mi Hoi Yo haven't really done too much that you could accuse them of supporting such an audience, maybe there were incidental things. But it really feels like they just randomly and suddenly got a Toxic AF fanbase, leaving them confused on how TF to handle this.

@@blazichaos7181Frl but I think it’s probably a combination of getting a larger and wider audience, confinement cuz of a pandemic which made it so people can’t socialize much outside of the internet + mental health issues that came with it and finally the mentality of the internet going into a new direction (being more argumentative). I’m just saying stuff that’s coming out of my arse so im just speculating

Dude yes! Nikke and AL community are goated we’re just enjoying are superior waifus.

@@rubencarasa4232 yes, that's why I love these communities, no drama, no shit.. I love my Scarlett and my Taihou to the fullest 😁

Wait until Endfield comes out (this is coming from a guy who plays Arknights, Genshin Impact, Honkai: Star Rail, Zenless Zone Zero, and Reverse: 1999).

Zzz wouldn't work as a non gacha game because it literally fails at being a game in the first place

​@@Mehieddin7i see your views, zzz tries to be everything that it feels it is nothing. If its story, theme, and its character interaction dont interest you, then spend more time on other games

​@@padhwee3e It's definitely a style over substance game. This is probably the first time that a story from the gacha gets me hooked because I just love the characters in it. Sure, the combat is braindead but it's just so stylish and jazzy that it gives me a dopamine rush whenever I hit that perfect parry/switch attack. But I can definitely understand how it's not for everyone.

@@Mehieddin7 so ZZZ shutdown tomorrow because you don't like it ?

That would be amazing. I'm not interested in playing anymore gachas, i'm at four now from genshin HSR CRK and WuWa, but zenless has definitely pulled me in with the style and aesthetics. Only problem though is like what others have said, it seems to value style over a story. Again I haven't played, moreso watched people play it so my criticisms aren't as in depth, but it feels like there's more that can be done with the world. I like Nekomata's story, I like Victoria Housekeeping, and the MCs to me are just as interesting as hoyo's protags tend to be (which is, shallow and bland on the surface but surprisingly interesting when you look deeper), but the story feels boring. Kind of the same issue WuWa has, again, imo. As cute and charming as it is, you can't rely on bangboos and urban tech aesthetics for a story based game.

Nah our fandom never goes war with other fandom. We go war against Authority, especially legal government agency 🤣🤣

how can BA fandom even have a fandom war when in doing so, they will reveal their locations to the FBI

@@KoharuTachibana go on come, we welcome newcomer.

And that yellow monster with claws looks more like Totoro than Snorlax or Electivire. Hell, some of Palworld’s monster designs actually look more like Digimon, Dragon Quest, or Yo-kai Watch than Pokemon.

Yea I play only Honkai Star Rail now and I would never say that, some people have nothing to do like just play the game

because you haven't spent any time with the characters, they're basically strangers so why would you care about them until later

it really depends on the game, but that case is just how story telling is going. For example, it takes probably longer for PGR with their storyline because they only start build up on certain arc. Arknight starts good when you realise the world building. Nikke is example how banger opening can make player stay. Their first chapter killed a character, which is why people play for plot and PLOT. Now Limbus Company story is always good even since beginning because story and character are their main focus.

not all games, but gacha games in general have this problem. mostly because in the beginning they need to gamble whether the game will have any paying players at all. once the money starts flowing consistently they invest a lot more in the story since well... the audience are built at this point. FGO has this problem in the beginning where the story picks up at chapter 6, almost a year after the game release and proceed to become one of the best story in gacha space.