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Letter to My Mormon Child - Amy Lloyd Pt. 3 | Ep. 1821

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Amy Lloyd condenses the CES Letter for teens, emphasizing the importance of informed consent in matters of faith. She delves into the Book of Mormon's origins, translation, and its value despite historical concerns and addresses foundational topics such as the First Vision, Book of Abraham, polygamy, and polyandry, shedding light on critical issues within the Church's history. This thoughtful discussion serves as a valuable resource for those navigating complex issues within the Mormon faith.
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Part 1: • Ignoring Your Inner-Vo...
Part 2: • Parenting after a Morm...
Chapters
00:14:10 Summary of the Letter to My Child
00:16:11 Letter to her son Noah
00:20:00 There is no free agency without informed consent
00:20:50 Quotes by Mormon leaders
00:23:30 You have the right to know this information
00:26:06 A word on Anti-Mormon sources
00:27:56 Feeling negative feelings when researching
00:30:48 Summary of what the CES Letter is
00:33:10 Book of Mormon Summary
00:40:13 Book of Mormon Translation
00:43:00 The First Vision
00:44:25 Book of Abraham
00:46:50 Polygamy and Polyandry
00:51:00 The role of Prophets
00:55:24 Kinderhook Plates and translator claims
00:57:11 How do we discern truth?
01:02:24 Priesthood Restoration
01:07:02 Three and Eight Witnesses to the Plates
01:09:50 Temples and Freemasonry
01:13:40 The Church’s view on Science
01:16:10 Additional issues:dishonestly of church leaders
01:17:00 Censorship and excommunication of people who speak out
01:18:43 Church finances
01:21:24 Racism in the Church
01:23:48 Anti-intellectualism and people who want to learn about these issues
01:27:10 LGBTQ issues
01:29:37 The idea of worthiness, that we aren’t inherently worthy
01:30:04 Exclusivity -one true church; not seeing kids get married, etc.
01:31:33 The Conclusion
01:33:35 There are valid reasons to stay, but they ought to have all the information
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@gxgx1190 11 месяцев назад

It’s crazy every Mormon including myself knew that Joseph got killed in jail, but not one single time in my 30 years in Mormonism in any class or gospel discussion did it get brought up why he was in jail in the first place.

@LatterDayInvestigator 11 месяцев назад

Exactly! OR that he was arrested based on "lies and false accusations" (not true), or that he was killed because he "would not deny his testimony of the Book of Mormon" (Elder Holland in conference a few years ago). I was also in my 30s when I first learned that he had a handgun himself and was shooting back at the mob coming up the stairs.

@aprilshowers21 11 месяцев назад

I asked multiple members and teachers growing up, and the only answer I ever got was “because he was being persecuted and that he was illegally imprisoned” - and that it was further proof of how hard satan was working against him and the church 😵‍💫

@Cocoon68 11 месяцев назад

Growing up we always heard that Joseph Smith was jailed due to persecution! Not because he actually did illegal things!

@casperghost50 11 месяцев назад

@aprilshowers21 Can see similarities with what's going on with tRump & tRumpism. Finally being held accountable for his proven lies and deception but his cult is brainwashed into believing he is being persecuted. How one man can be held above millions as being their 'jesus' is truly astounding & very scary for the people of America.

@moesyah 11 месяцев назад

with all of the apologist attempts at debunking the CES letter, it's refreshing to see a new, articulate summary of the letter. thank you amy!

@moesyah 9 месяцев назад

@@phillipcook3430 you’re not doing anyone any favors by making up lies

@ftgjt21 11 месяцев назад

As an nevermo her letter finally helped me understand why the CES letter has been so impactful.

@trev9541 11 месяцев назад

I remember when I was in my teenage years, I disappointed my parents once a month because I didn’t like to bear my testimony. They acted upset all day and I felt so guilty.

@iamjustsaying1 11 месяцев назад

What a great idea: to condense the CES Letter into more of a brief look at the problems and an invitation to look closer and be open to information that the church leaders hide.

@rogermartinez8606 11 месяцев назад

I am 50 and have always been Roman Catholic..I just retired and moved up to Northern Utah area. Every Mormon ive met seem extremely nice and helpful. I would never attend a Mormon church but they seem like nice people.

@misty4937 10 месяцев назад

Sorry this is so late, but be careful. I spent close to 6 months in the St George Area n the people were very friendly and nice. However, you'll never be one of them, you'll always be an outsider. Be careful they don't came to you at a vulnerable time. Mormon, LDS is a very high control group and dedicated to converting people.

@audreyfischer7803 11 месяцев назад

I am watching/listening to Mormon Stories to keep me company while I paint. Thank you for being here! ❤

@heatherrisberg8757 11 месяцев назад

Me too!!!

@amazinmaven 11 месяцев назад

@@heatherrisberg8757pics!

@owlj0lson 11 месяцев назад

Me three ❤️

@hbendzulla8213 11 месяцев назад

House painting or picture painting?

@audreyfischer7803 11 месяцев назад

@@hbendzulla8213 Painting a Halloween decoration!

@mgeuleinstsear 11 месяцев назад

I've loved her summaries of each problematic topic so much. They are all so spot on and great to send to friends that are just getting into the material.

@bettye4003 11 месяцев назад

Thank you... This is such a beautiful guide to talk to anyone about why we don't believe any more. We can feel the love

@LY22-qn5kb 11 месяцев назад

I loved listening to the Amy series! Her kids are lucky to have such an accepting and unconditionally loving mom. Her succinct breakdown of the letter is perfect for kids or anyone with short attention spans. Very interesting content.

@TassieAdams 3 месяца назад

I don’t know that I’ve ever felt like someone was so in my head as I did while watching this video. To a T! Along with that I had just had a conversation with my husband today about how we need a way to talk to our 17 year old son about these topics without overwhelming him, but before he has to make life changing decisions. Bam! I come across this video. I cannot thank you both enough. I mean it! Thank you so much!

@realmms 11 месяцев назад

This is so heartfelt and she did an amazing job! Speaking candidly and honestly to your child is vital.

@audreyfischer7803 11 месяцев назад

The argument that "they were men of their time, so they didn't know it was wrong" is so silly. I'm pretty sure that the people experiencing racism knew it was wrong at the time it was happening. They were also people of that time.

@dleeflang2292 11 месяцев назад

And it came from God… he would know!

@Rcplanecrasher 11 месяцев назад

Right. And also isn’t that the whole point of a prophet is that he won’t just be a product of his time but to be a watchman on the tower and see ahead etc.

@funkyfreshtx 11 месяцев назад

44:27 the book of Abraham church essay is the straw that broke myself as well. Longtime fan of Egyptology and the Mormon ties to Egyptian but when I discovered this on the churches on website, I was pretty much done. One thing that it was not mentioned that I like to point out is in the English text of the book of Abraham introduction. It says it was written by Abraham‘s own hand. Pretty interesting, when not a single instance of his name exists, and it is proven to be a funerary text written at a different era than Abraham supposedly lived.

@lorawhitfield6995 11 месяцев назад

Your summaries are great! And by the way…you are amazing for stopping the temple worker and saying you would not participate in that!!

@anjelikag 11 месяцев назад

Why am I crying at just the beginning letter to her son 😭 this is so so heart felt.

@gd8205 11 месяцев назад

YES!!!! I’m in this situation with my kids! I’ve been waiting for this episode, In fact I might watch this with them !

@leighyorgason6702 11 месяцев назад

Good idea

@funkyfreshtx 11 месяцев назад

19:18 John. one correction here. This George A. Smith was an apostle but is not the same as George Albert Smith who became a prophet. This is his grandfather who was an apostle in 1871 when this quote was given. George Albert Smith, the eventual prophet, was 1 years old in 1871.

@maryam_nn 11 месяцев назад

wonderful conversation, I'm not mormon but I like that you are both very respectful towards mormonism. It's beautiful! Not everybody can keep the discussion about something they disagree with respectful.

@daisymae4587 11 месяцев назад

This has been such a great series so far. Glad we’re back for this amazing letter. I loved reading it

@valerienelson3296 11 месяцев назад

I would like to think Joseph Smiths soul is on the otherside Thanking M.S. and you all for correcting the misinformation he spread as a human being.

@davewallentine5306 11 месяцев назад

Such a thoughtful and well-written document! This is appropriate for adults, too.

@Mikha335 11 месяцев назад

… and don’t forget, James Strangs followers also included Martin Harris, and several of the Smith family, as well as other former leaders in the church.

@Halloweenlover4321 11 месяцев назад

Amy, you are an amazing mom and how selfless the decisions you make regarding your children.

@medeekdesign 11 месяцев назад

Jerry L. Ainsworth's book is what got me headed in the right direction and eventually the house of cards came tumbling down. It has taken me 17 years to finally tell my own story.

@medeekdesign 11 месяцев назад

Yes, the Book of Abraham story was a real shocker for me as well. Funny how we never heard about any of this in Sunday School. My favorite and first book on the subject was by Donl Peterson a former BYU professor who has since passed away.

@alanschannel1495 11 месяцев назад

Amy Lloyd you are my new revelator. So much love in how you're writing to your son. No one ever told me I would be OK outside of this religion. I came from hardcore MexiMormons too. Its a real shock and pain

@gbear3554 11 месяцев назад

This was an amazing podcast, and touched on so many things I've had concerns about myself. One thing that struck me that Amy said was talking about not getting to see her children get married. Out of my 4 siblings I only saw one of them get married since it was outside the church. I was devastated every time my other siblings got married and I felt like I wasn't part of it.

@shaylafowler6183 10 месяцев назад

I am right there with you on that! I only saw one of my siblings weddings also! And yesterday I fear I will miss my daughters sealing next month, I don't know what to do!!😢

@gbear3554 10 месяцев назад

@@shaylafowler6183 I'm sorry 😔 I wish this church felt more inclusive especially since it's "family" driven. My heart is with you

@shaylafowler6183 10 месяцев назад

@@gbear3554 thank you so much! And yes, the church that is so family oriented does a great job at keeping families apart! They create wedges! In my opinion only to make more riches!!!

11 месяцев назад

GREAT letter! As we say in Portuguese, AMEI !

@16jcstratton 11 месяцев назад

This is sooo awesome!! I love this stories.. thanks you.

@hbendzulla8213 11 месяцев назад

Another great and rewarding Mormon-story podcast with a very knowledgeable Lady addressing the pitfalls and lies of the Mormon Church. Thanks, John Dehlin.

@lebethany53 11 месяцев назад

This interview is so good perfect for those who are willing to listen to a rundown of church claims. Will definitely be sharing this with family

@FATMEESTER 11 месяцев назад

I’m a son of believing parents. Do you have an episode on how to talk to parents?

@Girlseesdragons 11 месяцев назад

For real! My mom is almost 80 & I’m struggling

@leighyorgason6702 11 месяцев назад

It should be up to you what you believe and do...not your parents past the age of 21.

@FATMEESTER 11 месяцев назад

I agree @leighyorganson6702. And I do believe what I want now. That’s the gift of the Mormon faith crisis. I’m interested in knowing how to disclose the reasons for my faith crisis to my parents, in hopes to give them better informed consent.

@Girlseesdragons 11 месяцев назад

@@leighyorgason6702 I disagree I have a strong urgency to tell my mom I’ve found out the very thing she fully believes in and raised me to believe in is factual not true, actively hurting people, & so many other reasons! I get not messing with someone’s beliefs but this church is not good not one bit & I believe need to be exposed! My mother could live out her last days in peace if she knew! She’s not at peace now I can tell you that!

@leighyorgason6702 11 месяцев назад

@@Girlseesdragons well I sure understand but over the years I personally have failed miserably by using facts and reasoning or any other means to convince Mormons who believe of anything. If people want the truth it certainly is there but the only conclusion I can come to is that they dont want facts and truth and they do want the church for whatever reason.

@haleighpratt2909 10 месяцев назад

I LOVE Amy!!!!!! Oh I resonate so much with her, and all her episodes!!! I could listen to her talk all day long. Such eloquent points, and makes me excited to hold some of the same beliefs as her!! Edit: the David archuletas Instagram video broke me. It was really the first time I held angry thoughts towards the church. How could they make anyone feel so unloved and wrong in their own personal journey. It made me bawl.

@kimberlyreynolds5421 5 месяцев назад

I needed to break the information into smaller bits just so I could integrate all the information. A very kind Mother to inform her son. I’m a never Mormon and I’ve known all this information but she’s right, it is a lot all at once. I’m sure this presentation has helped many parents explain better why they left!

@ExmoRaymo 11 месяцев назад

Excellent and succinct. Thank you so much.

@joannestanley8478 11 месяцев назад

Great story. Enjoyed very much. I don't agree that children have to piggyback on their parents religious beliefs. We are all in charge of our own Salvation. God will not listen to "but my parents taught me this". Never Mo Jo.

@Junebugreen 11 месяцев назад

John, why don’t you start a site where parents and children can write public letters to their own loved ones that might be seen later, even after the parent dies (for their children and grandchildren) I know a lot of Mormons tend to “forget” the stories of those who quit believing. This could be a way to show the family that this person was a caring, worthy individual in their own right.

@momloveshorses1084 11 месяцев назад

@jayneshhh4347: great idea!

@alanschannel1495 11 месяцев назад

Thank you for this letter Amy. It came at a much needed time for me.

@francinesanchez5402 10 месяцев назад

I love this so much! One thing to note, which may be helpful for LDS members is that the Christian Bible doesn’t have some of these same problems. Very little has been changed and there is tons of archeological evidence found that supports its place and events in history. (I imagine some may think that ALL religions have these issues and not realize that the anachronisms, plagiarism and many changes throughout the years are NOT the same across religions). That being said, I’m a nevermo. I’ve been hurt by a lot of things in the Christian church and want to provide my girls with important information in a respectful way. My ex husband has different beliefs than me and I think it’s so important to empower children to hear pros and cons and make their own decisions. Informed consent is everything and something very few of us had told to us without bias, across religions. Thanks for sharing this!

@hturt4 4 месяца назад

The Bible (all 30,000+ different versions of it) has plenty of its own problems. But the problems don’t negate the good or truth it contains. The challenge is to discern truth from error, because the Bible contains plenty of both. Same for Mormon texts.

@WildflowersCreations 11 месяцев назад

Thank you for making this very important information available to those who choose to use it for themselves and their children.

@TheSpiritualjrny 11 месяцев назад

I love this lady ❤.

@carlywarly2004 11 месяцев назад

Why would the lds church want so bad not to be called Mormon and instead lds when it sounds so close to flds? People who don’t know the difference (which is by far most people in the US) would of course put them together bc the names sound the same. You would the lds wouldn’t want to be called anything close to flds if they want to distance themselves

@StaceyMaffei 11 месяцев назад

No crossbody bags? Seriously? Why don't we just dress Mormon women in a burka? On a less snarky note I have loved all of the interviews with this lovely insightful human!

@PatLPauloski 5 месяцев назад

The exclusion of women from the priesthood in LDS, Roman Catholic, Orthodox, or from being pastors in many protestant churches has always baffled me. I understand Paul was Paul, but women were the very first to proclaim the risen Christ.

@hlnbee 11 месяцев назад

My Father-in-Law said any man who thinks he is the head of the house, will lie about anything!

@randyjernigan8777 11 месяцев назад

I’m sad that I ever got involved in this s**t. Thank God I’m now out!

@alanschannel1495 11 месяцев назад

Im a professional artist and creative marketer. Needless to say, the images put out by the Church is huge issue for me. I am planning on creating a cartoon around this as a sort of counter-illustrate, or truthfully represent Church Imagery. I love this mom! Dont Stop Amy!

@teemarie5478 25 дней назад

I respect this mother/ woman to the fullest extent. I’m sure her ex isn’t a happy camper but he teenager deserves to know the truth.

@ron3537 11 месяцев назад

She sounds like a very wise parent. Her kids are lucky. How can someone come to know the truth about anything without being able to look at both sides equally? You just can't. It's so basic to good critical and common sense thinking. The term "anti-mormon" towards people who have a different POV, are almost always used in a fallacious / biased manner. IMO, the church should tell its members to ban the use of this term.

@marlenemeyer9841 11 месяцев назад

I so totally agree that you must explore and understand all sides of an issue if you want to make an informed decision. I posted something like that on Facebook once and my mom commented… “The only way to know truth is through the power of the Holy Ghost!” I replied, “That must be why all the honest hearted, truth seeking people of the world all believe the same thing.”

@momintheshoe4278 11 месяцев назад

John! This guest would be a great cohost!! Just sayin’

@dominique___1980 11 месяцев назад

1:11:00 mark -- Big question for me as you discuss all the volunteer hours at the Mormon temples: I have been told by multiple sources that these hours are monetized and counted by the church when they report their "charitable contributions". Is that true?

@I_HaVe_QuEsTiOnS4u 11 месяцев назад

Do any RU-vid channels do a video version of something like what she is reading, but a much more in-depth version of this?

@EveryoneIsEqual101 11 месяцев назад

Look in the videos of this channel. Many topics in depth.

$@DrPsychofraculator$

@DrPsychofraculator 11 месяцев назад

Look for the playlists tab on this podcast home page for LDS discussions (45) videos.

@josephharmon9787 10 месяцев назад

Ya they tell them if they feel negative emotions to leave. That’s what the negative emotions are for, to tell us when something isn’t good and to get away. Sounds to me like sound advice from the Church.

@timotato4662 11 месяцев назад

How does one respond to we don’t know everything it’ll all be worked out in the end

@audreyfischer7803 11 месяцев назад

"It'll all be worked out in the end" is not a good enough answer when people are suffering horribly in the present

@leighyorgason6702 11 месяцев назад

Thats right

@bouji_ 11 месяцев назад

Yes, we will all eventually die.

@marlenemeyer9841 11 месяцев назад

This is a very common response to get from believers. I think the best response is to show respect for their right to believe, and then ask for the same respect for your beliefs. People CANNOT objectively look at evidence until they are ready. Nothing pushes someone further into belief than someone finding fault with something they hold sacred. I think this is especially true with religion because religion becomes a large part of a person’s identity. When someone feels their beliefs are being attacked what they really feel is that THEY are being attacked. It is very personal. There is usually NOTHING you can do or say that can cause someone to be objective and logical until they are ready to admit “maybe it isn’t true.” Many people will never come to that point simply because it is too scary and/or painful. Just love them where they are and hopefully that love and respect will be reciprocated.

@sc766 11 месяцев назад

Yes, we do not know everything but I have learnt enough to make diferent choices and no longer want to be part of LDS church. What I was told and taught as an investigator is a lie and I cannot with clean consciousness to participate in teaching and spreading these lies. I respect those who stay in the church and their beliefs and I deserve the same respect for not being LDS anymore.

@tykiisel8801 11 месяцев назад

The Book of Abraham is where it started for me too.

@bettye4003 11 месяцев назад

Please translate this letter in different languages

@nsasupporter7557 11 месяцев назад

When can I be on this podcast?!

@monicatulia 11 месяцев назад

❤❤❤❤

@Latter-dailyDigest 11 месяцев назад

Boost🎉

@florencebortz9722 10 месяцев назад

My biggest turnoff from believing...when The Prophet proclaimed this ..." When We (church leaders) Speak The Thinking is done."...This statement aggravated and humiliated my spirit , They claimed themselves God, and I no longer have a God given thinking brain...stay blind deaf stupid follow them no questio ask allowed????? Wth is wrong with their holiness superiority brain cells??

@sassesgirl 8 месяцев назад

No one is listed as head of household on LDS tools.

@justtep7092 10 месяцев назад

How old is her son

@andreadiamond7115 10 месяцев назад

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼❤️

@bytejourneycodes Месяц назад

Yeah, the head in the hat thing also does not exist on the Mormon website. It's the foundational to the book of Mormon why not include it on their website where they explain their doctrine? It's ludicrous.

@alanschannel1495 11 месяцев назад

We need a new movie about fighting racism in Utah. Brigham Young the obvious villain.

@AshleighDeniece 11 месяцев назад

Amy says she doesn’t think “feelings” are evidence in supporting external truth but often uses her own “feelings” to reinforce her arguments (“I don’t like that” “I don’t feel like a loving God would xyz”). To be fair, I agree with almost everything she’s saying it’s just frustrating to hear the doublespeak.

@hbendzulla8213 11 месяцев назад

It’s easy to get some one fooled. ( if you want to believe B.S. )

@DaveJohnsonSCG 11 месяцев назад

I think feelings can be valid. I think the goal of what she was getting at is that using feelings alone to prove truth is not a reliable way to test. For lack of evidence items the only evidence you have is feelings. For items that do have evidence then feeling can be a factor but it would be at the bottom of the list of reliable sources. Court cases of self defense shootings have to have the element that the person felt they were in danger but it's not the only evidence required nor the only evidence that is considered in the case. So looking at feelings and not evidence is not valid. Looking at feelings and evidence is. Just feelings don't hold as much weight.

@ron3537 11 месяцев назад

@@DaveJohnsonSCGExcellent response! We all identify with our feelings to a lesser or greater degree, and she in my opinion is not even close to using "doublespeak" here. We just don't want to use our feelings as the main avenue to finding truth in our lives, as she alluded to.

@christineharbacheck2415 11 месяцев назад

Yep she's double minded & so is he. Your in your out & he's always been that way double minded playing both sides playing it safe

@EMILY_EX1968 11 месяцев назад

You know that anyone who thinks about things like, why does this not add up. Or why is this sexist and not fair or logical will get no where in this church. Unfortunately. I appreciate your story. But I really wonder if there is a way to turn this ship in helpful ways.

@jennifergrubb4680 6 месяцев назад

Did he have the golden plates in the hat to transcript. Heavy hat

@jokemooy5364 4 месяца назад

I all ways wonder when in temple you knock and the God asks what is wanted well doesn't he know why I'm there same as Adam when he asks Adam where are you well doesn't he know?my goodness the crazy stuff I always wondered about glad to be free of this

@mchez520000 11 месяцев назад

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@KuramaUchiha-id1ow 11 месяцев назад

Quite impressive but HOW!!? know it's possible, my colleague at work got her first investment return of 40K after two weeks and she quit the job, I would appreciate if you show me how to go about it..

@mchez520000 11 месяцев назад

Yeah, 230K monthly profits! thanks and God bless to Mrs Mary Margaret Schimweg trading services. God gave me a vision about her!!

@fivoskorres 11 месяцев назад

Yeah, 230K monthly profits! thanks and God bless to Mrs Mary Margaret Schimweg trading services. God gave me a vision about her!!

@amalmberg13 11 месяцев назад

with her trading and management skills I started trading with Two Thousand dollars and now I've made over Ten Thousand in just one week.

@amalmberg13 11 месяцев назад

I'm successful today thanks to Mrs Mary Margaret Schimweg

@delbert3539 10 месяцев назад

Question: I understand you issues with the LDS Church but what is your stand on the Bible, do you believe the Bible is the word of God?

@katestrong8558 4 месяца назад

They still wouldn't be "apostles." The whole thing is a sham.

@danielclingen34 6 месяцев назад

John why do you condemn(rightfully so) the homophobia and sexism in the church but gleefully stay a member of the Republican Party which does the same? It seems inconsistent and odd and hypocritical.

@josephharmon9787 10 месяцев назад

The comments about the DNA - your initial proposal, according to what you said, completely debunks that there ever were any people who ever migrated here to ancient America from Jerusalem, as outlined in the Book of Mormon. Then you state that later, additional information came forward that was evidence showing that there was, in fact, some people among the Native Americans with DNA origin from the Jerusalem area; so in essence you disproved the first argument, which a reasonable person would believe would give you pause, and wonder what else might not be accurate about any other such, “debunk theories”, but in your case it did not give you pause, contrary to your statement that you’re open to, and even eager for, information that would cast doubt or even outright disprove the basis of your arguments for grievances against the Church. This seems to suggest, that in fact, you really aren’t so interested in having your grievances debunked, and are perhaps instead, quite happy having grievances to hold against the Church that at face value could sound plausible. I suspect, your actual motivation could be someone didn’t do right by you in the Church, or said something hurtful, so on and so forth, and so now you want find any reason that looks and sounds logical as a “good” excuse to leave instead of just considering that any other Church or organization that you may go to, may have the same bad experiences, but it’s just due to our fallen human natures and that that causes us mere mortals to all make mistakes, even the best of us.

@TuberRose333 11 месяцев назад

And patriarchy is taking its revenge now in political fascism. The democratic ideal is matrilineal. People calling themselves Christians have no beef with Patriarchy. Tho Christian ideals of love and service are again quite feminine or matrilineal. Our Mother Father God seems more balanced, complete and spiritual ❤

@TuberRose333 11 месяцев назад

Thank you so much for having this discussion. I feel a loving god would not be so ‘partial’ and incomplete as to acknowledge or be expressed by only one gender.