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The IBM Model M keyboard is legendary. If only it came in black with a built-in mouse...
Well what do you know, it did! The M13 clicky keyboard manufactured by Lexmark.
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@assasincz3
@assasincz3 4 года назад
The transition btw beige and black boards at 1:42 is amazingly well done!!!!!
@executor45
@executor45 8 лет назад
"Welcome to Mario teach-as typing!" "Shut your face-a!" ok that was good.
@anotherhumanbeingblyat8935
@anotherhumanbeingblyat8935 4 года назад
'Stop-a-looking down-a-at-your-keyboard-a-ya dumbass!" -Mario teaches Typing
@RustLighter
@RustLighter 4 года назад
i laughed to that too :D a shutta yoor face
@starschwar
@starschwar 8 лет назад
Oddware / tech tales request: dedicated physics cards. They seemed like they were about to be the next big thing about ten years ago.
@starschwar
@starschwar 8 лет назад
+SuperHns Yeah - nowadays you can repurpose secondary/tertiary GPUs for PhysX and the like. But it does make me wonder why that wasn't the original plan from the get go. Was there something inherently better about a dedicated card, versus a multi-function graphics card?
@limpa756
@limpa756 2 года назад
Well cards just became fast enough not to need one, using a dedicated gpu for physx is actually slower on modern cards as well
@uxwbill
@uxwbill 8 лет назад
These are quite possibly the most awesome keyboards ever made, thanks to the black case and Trackpoint. And they're an absolute *joy* to type on. (I've never noticed hitting the Trackpoint.) Pity that the Trackpoint buttons aren't nearly so nice. If used enough, they'll get really mushy and not register precisely without a hammer being involved somewhere. Unicomp might well be willing to make a custom keyboard to your specification. They offer all blank black keys and if you asked, they might put letters on those. The two black M13s I've got were made by Maxi Switch and they're on an equal footing with the Lexmark examples, of which I have a white M13 with a *serial* Trackpoint! $75 was an amazing deal for one of these; usually they're three or four times that price, especially for industrial grey (which I'd really like to have in my collection!)...
@jman22009
@jman22009 7 лет назад
a wild uxwbill appeared!
@ReFlectiveMan
@ReFlectiveMan 7 лет назад
Unicomp calls the M13 the "EnduraPro" and still offers it. Else ware on there website you can custom order key colors and black is in the options. So you should be able to order a modern "M13" complete with USB interface and windows keys.
@Hbomb117
@Hbomb117 6 лет назад
Unicomp does not print on their black keys period unfortunately. It would have to be all blanks.
@Spearra
@Spearra 5 лет назад
@@Hbomb117 Sorry I'm late but Unicomp does sell black keycaps but only unprinted. www.pckeyboard.com/page/product/KEY
@SomePotato
@SomePotato 5 лет назад
I wish there was a model with middle mouse button.
@MrMegatony73
@MrMegatony73 7 лет назад
I can hear my High School "Keyboarding" instructor yelling, "Stop looking down!" every time you look down. Oh, memories...
@lulumolloy
@lulumolloy 7 лет назад
I completely drove my teach nuts. I just couldn't do it, and I still struggle with it, despite typing constantly.
@d.e.b.b5788
@d.e.b.b5788 7 лет назад
+dandanthetaximan You're not old. I learned to type on a Royal manual typewriter which weighed about 50 pounds. We really had to pound those keys to get the letters to print on the paper. not to mention the manual return lever which you really had to shove in order to move the carriage back with every new line.
@AmyraCarter
@AmyraCarter 7 лет назад
Like the one Beck has, and is seen in the video for 'Black Tambourine'? :)
@jakublulek3261
@jakublulek3261 5 лет назад
Pretty much my experience of how I learned, how to type on QWERTY. Mechanical, and pretty off-brand, typewriter, I never had electric one myself, i used it in school but it was just expensive and my parents never saw point of it, really. Than I got my first computer and typewriter was shoved into cellar.
@em84c
@em84c 4 года назад
They have us a piece of fabric to cover our hands on the keyboard
@kilrahvp
@kilrahvp 8 лет назад
Just love the clicky sound, nearly can't hear you anymore... Imagine an entire office with those :p
@FindecanorNotGmail
@FindecanorNotGmail 8 лет назад
+kilrahvp Still not as loud as a typewriter. Imagine a whole office full of _those_. Also, the air thick with cigarette smoke. Lots of papers everywhere, filing cabinets and rubber stamps.
@nilus2k
@nilus2k 7 лет назад
I used a model M on my PC in college. My room mate hated me :)
@egz3637
@egz3637 7 лет назад
Cherry MX Blue, for real, it is pretty much equally as loud
@ChazMcClure
@ChazMcClure 6 лет назад
no they arent trust me the model m is a lot louder than mx blue boards in real life
@lordcegese1385
@lordcegese1385 5 лет назад
thatd make me nut
@SpiffyDot
@SpiffyDot 8 лет назад
"That's why I wanted to do it, 'cause it's absurd". Most of this channel in a nutshell :)
@veraxis9961
@veraxis9961 7 лет назад
With a bit of practice, it *IS* technically possible to learn to game with a trackpoint. Back in school all I had was my school-issue Thinkpad laptop, so I had to learn to play games like Stalker:SoC and Mount&Blade using a trackpoint (including the mounted archery, which I was surprisingly good at given what I was working with).
@Spearra
@Spearra 5 лет назад
If it works it works! I personally like how for MMOs, both hands are right below the number row so you can easily hit that "ability 9 or =" key(s). Can't exactly say mice can do that! Its basically a joystick all things considered. Same rules apply. Put in some good work into it, and it produces results.
@SomePotato
@SomePotato 5 лет назад
@@Spearra That's why MMO mice have so many buttons. You don't need the number keys at all when using one.
@d.e.b.b5788
@d.e.b.b5788 2 года назад
The nice thing about the trackpoint keyboard, is that you another mouse at the same time. I have my M13 with the trackpoint working, and a MS intellipoint trackball with usb interface, working at the same time. It's been working fine in tandem for over two decades with zero problems, with win xp, 2000, 7 8, 8.1, and 10, as well as linux.
@Turai12
@Turai12 2 года назад
I used to play Warcraft 3 with a trackpoint.
@WingMaster562
@WingMaster562 Год назад
I used to have a mate that plays Osu! with a trackpoint
@BlackburnBigdragon
@BlackburnBigdragon 8 лет назад
I remember back in the early 90's I had a computer with this metal IBM keyboard. The thing was heavy. The keys were even metal and they were spring loaded and clicky and I loved the hell out of it. The problem was that I kept it in the living room and my roommate at the time hated it because when I would use the computer all he would hear was the damn thing clicking. So one day, I came home from work and I found this plastic monstrosity with soft keys that made no sound on my desk. I was like "WHERE THE HELL IS MY KEYBOARD!?!" and he was like, "I threw out that crap keyboard and got you this nice one! It makes no sound when you type! Listen!" And he proceeded to type and the cheap, crap thing indeed made no sound! I was furious! I went out to the dumpster but the garbage man had already taken my keyboard away! My roommate actually thought he was doing me a favor because he bought the most expensive keyboard at the store with all the bells and whistles! But I wanted my 5 pound metal clicky IBM keyboard!!!!
@Lost_n_Found_1
@Lost_n_Found_1 8 лет назад
+BlackburnBigdragon I enjoyed this story. However, I am sorry for your loss.
@BlackburnBigdragon
@BlackburnBigdragon 8 лет назад
Yeah... well it was about 20+ years ago so I'm over it by now. Haha! I just remember the shock and horror. "YOU GOT RID OF MY AWESOME METAL KEYBOARD FOR THAT PIECE OF CRAP!?!" He really thought he was doing me a favor by getting rid of the old keyboard. He had gone out and bought this expensive plastic monstrosity that made no sound when you typed and had every bell and whistle a keyboard could have. But it wasn't at ALL the brick that the IBM keyboard was. He just hated the "CLICKCLICKCLICKCLICK!!!" and assumed that that = crap keyboard and silent keyboard with bells and whistles = better keyboard. The woes of living with the computer illiterate.
@Lost_n_Found_1
@Lost_n_Found_1 8 лет назад
BlackburnBigdragon Indeed. I've found myself explaining the difference between RJ11 phone jacks and Ethernet ports, multiple times.
@altarofmelektaus0032
@altarofmelektaus0032 8 лет назад
+BlackburnBigdragon Sounds exactly right. They started marketing rubber dome keyboards in the '90s by bragging about how "quiet" they were, but they were just a complete cost-cutting measure.
@BlackburnBigdragon
@BlackburnBigdragon 8 лет назад
That expensive keyboard he bought died in a few years. I'm willing to bet that the metal keyboard with the metal keys that were spring loaded would still be functional today 20+ years later.
@mrnicktoyou
@mrnicktoyou 8 лет назад
Made in USA? It' so weird not seeing Made in China for once.
@SMGJohn
@SMGJohn 7 лет назад
Really? I see it even today. Lot of my stuff is made in Korea, Germany, I got some stuff made in USSR, U.K. a lot of my furniture is made in Norway
@RockandrollNegro
@RockandrollNegro 7 лет назад
Isn't it good? Norwegian wood.
@kobalt_ren01
@kobalt_ren01 7 лет назад
I'm a bit more used to "Made in Malaysia" or "Made in Thailand" more recently.
@bandombeviews6035
@bandombeviews6035 7 лет назад
SMGJohn Where do you live?
@texaswilliam
@texaswilliam 6 лет назад
If it makes you feel any better, all the components were probably made in China; it was just assembled in America. : P
@HaydenRoberts08
@HaydenRoberts08 8 лет назад
Holy cow, I never would have thought I'd see this turn up on your Oddware series, so excited! This is my dream keyboard but damn they are expensive!
@BiscuitFever
@BiscuitFever 8 лет назад
Just so you know, the only buckling spring keyboards manufactured by IBM that DO NOT have membranes under the switches are the Model F. Model M keyboards all use membranes, so you can't call them "mechanical" though in practice they are. The model f uses capacitive switches, and are true mechanical buckling spring switches.
@riflemanm16a2
@riflemanm16a2 8 лет назад
I was looking for this comment. A lot of people think the terms rubber dome and membrane are synonymous when they are mutually exclusive (RealForce/Topre has rubber domes but no membrane. Model M has a membrane but no rubber domes).
@Yamezzzz
@Yamezzzz 8 лет назад
The keyboards I had in my secondary school in Northern Ireland were similar. Nobody ever used the trackpoint but I remember playing with it and it was common for people to pry the little rubber point off as they kept going missing. I remember it being incredibly sensitive and hard to use.
@Ropetupa
@Ropetupa 8 лет назад
dammit, i specifically wanted to watch lgr so that i dont need to see that creepy face, that you have as profile picture...
@danmusto2492
@danmusto2492 8 лет назад
I love watching the videos about the old computer systems. brings me back to my early childhood messing around and playing games on a Tandy 1000. The oddware series is by far my favorite however. I hope you find more strange pieces of old tech to talk about in the future!
@obsoletegeek
@obsoletegeek 8 лет назад
I bought one of these years ago and love it! It's extremely convenient if you don't have your vintage PC set up at a proper desk. Mine served at a server KVM in it's previous life.
@sharktastica
@sharktastica 4 года назад
A very sexy keyboard indeed! Also, sorry if this has been brought up before; all Model Ms from the very beginning used a membrane sensing circuit underneath - it was the Model Fs that used a capacitive plate assembly. Since membranes are simply the type of circuit, I don't see a real reason to not consider Model Ms mechanical (in principle, their buckling switches are the exact same as the Model Fs after all - a change in the type of circuit fundamentally doesn't change how the switch works and provides feedback). However, Lexmark did introduce "Quiet Touch" Model Ms that swapped out the buckling springs for (still very loud, however in a bad way) rubberdomes. They also introduced two waves of cost-saving measures during their tenure that likely contributed to a perceived decreased in quality and feel, although even then they're still excellent IMO!
@daemonspudguy
@daemonspudguy 4 года назад
That's what everyone has been saying. I use a Unicomp Ultra Classic and would never buy the Quiet Touch models because a Quiet Touch Model M is wrong in my head.
@PropaneTreeFiddy
@PropaneTreeFiddy 8 лет назад
As a huge Thinkpad user (previously IT, currently engineer) this keyboard interests me IMMENSELY. Time to set aside a couple hundred bucks and scan ebay daily.
@Ybalrid
@Ybalrid 8 лет назад
+Propane TreeFiddy I have a few freinds that have ThinkPad. I like the TrackPoint ^^"
@Armadurapersonal
@Armadurapersonal 8 лет назад
+Propane TreeFiddy They're making a new similar version with 3 mouse buttons and cherry MX blue switches. For the meanwhile the Thinkpad USB keyboard does it for me. I love the trackpoint, I don't even use the mouse most of the time and my touchpad is disabled.
@Houshalter
@Houshalter 5 лет назад
Unicomp still manufactures them today. And they are quite a bit cheaper.
@Draco_Alpha
@Draco_Alpha 7 лет назад
One of my favorite implementations of this was on a laptop I could check out from a library I frequented years back. It had the trackpoint thing and a trackpad... I would have my hand spread out over both, which made it super comfortable to use.
@Knuxfan24
@Knuxfan24 8 лет назад
I can't take my eyes off that Freedom Planet IndieBox
@DjShadFox
@DjShadFox 8 лет назад
And also Retro City Rampage and Rogue Legacy.
@Knuxfan24
@Knuxfan24 8 лет назад
***** I think it's a really good game. It's up there with Sonic 3 & Knuckles & Megaman X4 as one of my all time favourites.
@henryatkinson1479
@henryatkinson1479 2 года назад
Just a word of warning - the Unicomp M13s have an inferior trackpoint to the IBM/Lexmark and Maxi-Switch models. IBM licensed out their Trackpoint II (the version in many popular 90s Thinkpads) which was leaps and bounds better than the Trackpoint I. Its the same format as the current Trackpoint IV. Unicomp used a reverse-engineered Trackpoint I, and it requires noticeably more force to get the same movement on the screen since it uses a totally different set of sensors to determine movement.
@EposVox
@EposVox 8 лет назад
Kinda nifty, but would drive me nuts.
@autobotjazz1972
@autobotjazz1972 3 года назад
agree the track ball would drive me batty.
@Siledas
@Siledas 8 лет назад
That transaition at 1:39 - very nice.
@mdmenzel
@mdmenzel 8 лет назад
Is that Fallout Beer I spy?
@LGR
@LGR 8 лет назад
Yep
@theacndm
@theacndm 8 лет назад
+Lazy Game Reviews where did you get that hotline Miami limiter edition from big fan here
@awesomepossumrc
@awesomepossumrc 8 лет назад
+Lazy Game Reviews PLEASE don't ever use that music again...it's horrible...sounds like crap and can only hurt your channel...seriously, I love your videos but every time I hear that garbage tune I have to stop the video...and I can't exactly mute it because I want to hear what you're saying...
@JonnyInfinite
@JonnyInfinite 8 лет назад
+ZOMBIE BRAINEATER he should use stuff from the Floppy Kick label lol
@HiddenGemsReviews
@HiddenGemsReviews 8 лет назад
As a fellow IndieBox lover, I love seeing other people's collections of their boxes! Also really loved the video! My grandfather actually used to work a contracting job with IBM and Dell back in the day, and he'd see these come into his store all the time. Super reliable, plus the regular Model M was my first keyboard when he had me build my first PC! Lots of good nostalgia all around with this one.
@SMGJohn
@SMGJohn 7 лет назад
The trackpoint is way better than a trackpad
@nettack
@nettack 5 лет назад
@@melvinharris7859 61:1 at the moment of writing. Comparing it to trackpads that were around when the trackpoint was conceived,? Yes, it blew everything around it out of the water. It still does on the middle to lower end. Of course it's not comparable with the comfort a large glass multitouch trackpad offers you nowadays.
@voixiom2672
@voixiom2672 5 лет назад
Shut the fuck up Boomer
@Ephunker89
@Ephunker89 4 года назад
A couple years after this video came out and I gotta say, that transition from beige to black was too dang nice.
@rushnerd
@rushnerd 8 лет назад
Oh man, a full black unicomp model M is like $110 new, they know how nice it looks and you really pay for it. I settled on the DAS keyboard ultimate (totally blank and black) Better fit for me as it's not as noisy.
@rushnerd
@rushnerd 8 лет назад
Oh man, oh god, oh man
@rmrealm
@rmrealm 8 лет назад
reddit.com/r/Ooer
@TheSiscoKid2112
@TheSiscoKid2112 8 лет назад
The Unicomp Model M's are so cheaply made, and ridiculous in price. It's just better to look for a decently restored IBM one online.
@rushnerd
@rushnerd 7 лет назад
I bought it in 2011 and i'm still using it so it's already paid for itself.
@magicjoybox
@magicjoybox 7 лет назад
YouSucc yes but it won't feel as nice to type on
@SumeaBizarro
@SumeaBizarro 7 лет назад
Oh damn. THAT Area 51 game. I saw it in this hotel lobby we stayed on a family vacation when I was like... 9 or 10 I think. I was playing with gameboy color at the time. I had just gotten it and it was just great fun. But that area 51, it stuck with me. Aside Metal Slug seeing that Area 51 gameplay was just weird. The idea of people getting turned into aliens was quite scary one for younger me. The scene where hero fails is slight nightmare fuel, not that I had any. Seeing it again so randomly after these years - and there is a windows version - I could play this now... Thanks for the great video as always LGR.
@spicydeath82
@spicydeath82 7 лет назад
you heard it here first folks, look for clint on a cam site soon tm, doing ungodly things to his model m 13 keyboard... lol
@RodFCB
@RodFCB 4 года назад
yikes
@basscadet75
@basscadet75 8 лет назад
You got a great deal for $75. I worked in a computer store when these were new - they retailed for $249! I wanted one back then but couldn't justify the price. Nowadays you're lucky to find one at all on Ebay, let alone for $75. They're pretty rare. I'd love to have one - I've long been a ThinkPad guy so I'm used to the Trackpoint. And they are beautiful, and fit right in with a modern system. And they feel great! (I do have a white Model M.) btw, Lexmark *is* IBM. They were just spun off in the 90's. But same people, same factory. Never let anyone tell you a Lexmark Model M isn't a "real" IBM Model M!
@angrydachshund
@angrydachshund 7 лет назад
Unicomp makes this keyboard today, called the EnduraPro. I'm using one right now.
@PhoenixNL72-DEGA-
@PhoenixNL72-DEGA- 8 лет назад
I remember going to the cebit convention in hannover germany in the 90's when those Trackpoint nubs where the next "hottest thing"for laptops. And I tried them on a few demo laptops they show cased there. I found that they worked quite well actually. I found them rather easy to use. I still don't understand why they where replaced with those awkward badly and inaccurately responding touchpads that you find on all laptops now adays.
@Leon98Leo
@Leon98Leo 7 лет назад
Robert Phoenix not to mention , touchpads takes up a lot of space ;) .
@PhoenixNL72-DEGA-
@PhoenixNL72-DEGA- 7 лет назад
Indeed
@d.e.b.b5788
@d.e.b.b5788 7 лет назад
I believe that IBM had a patent on the trackpoint device when these keyboards and the thinkpads that had trackpoints were made.
@pinkhead6857890
@pinkhead6857890 4 года назад
Because if one device fills the need of two you sell less product. Thats why any non ibm trackpoint is garbage while Lenovo's usb trackpoint keyboards serve better as mice than keyboards.
@ghostlordgaming3787
@ghostlordgaming3787 7 лет назад
I am nearly certain we were using this exact keyboard when I was overseas with the military as recently as 2011. The big thing that I can recall was the almost orange peel texture, recessed keys, trackpoint, and mouse keys. We had boxes full of keyboards from 1980s-2000s (ps2 usb etc) so when one sh*t the bed, then we would just grab one out of the boxes because the nearest Best Buy was a little ways away....
@RinoaL
@RinoaL 8 лет назад
its so beautiful.....if only it was a japanese keyboard i would switch over to it without question.
@mileskosik472
@mileskosik472 8 лет назад
Its you!
@RinoaL
@RinoaL 8 лет назад
Miles Kosik so it is!
@RetroIslandGaming
@RetroIslandGaming 8 лет назад
I thought you had super tall bookshelves until I realized you stack games ontop of the shelving units. I'm not surprised you're running out of room. That's a GOOD problem to have!
@JayOhm
@JayOhm 7 лет назад
"That's why I wanted to do it. Because it's absurd!" YAY! I love this channel.
@roadrunner9840
@roadrunner9840 7 лет назад
you got a bargain! a black m13, the holy grail of Model M's! owner of 2 standard uk layouts (1 lexmark, & one 1986 IBM made 5 miles away from where i used to live as a child, made in Greenock, Scotland)
@superilu
@superilu 8 лет назад
we always had a VERY un-PC name for the notebooks with that mouse-thingie on the keyboards back in the days :)
@LGR
@LGR 8 лет назад
Relevant XKCD xkcd.com/243/
@iandavidwolfe
@iandavidwolfe 8 лет назад
Oh man this brings back memories! Back in the early '90s all the computers at my my school had the model M white keyboards. I remember the computer labs always being so loud when 30 kids were playing "Touch Typing" ha ha! Great vid man!
@Armageddon-yt3so
@Armageddon-yt3so 8 лет назад
+Lazy Game Reviews off topic where did you get the box version of Freedom Planet?
@LGR
@LGR 8 лет назад
store.theindiebox.com/collections/frontpage/products/freedom-planet
@Armageddon-yt3so
@Armageddon-yt3so 8 лет назад
Lazy Game Reviews nice.
@saltyroe3179
@saltyroe3179 2 года назад
When UNICOMP built these, I bought one because I had found that the Track point was great for occasional mouse without taking hands off keyboard. When I drove 18wheelers I found it fit perfectly on the steering wheel! I could steal with the heal of my hands while typing or trackpointing. (This before most people had cell phones, so it wasn't illegal yet). A mouse was better when accuracy was required. The biggest problem with the Unicomp trackpoint was the mouse buttons which were not as firm as real mouse buttons. The trackpoint eventually became less responsive and I stopped using it, although the buckling spring keyboard kept working on my desk until I killed it with coffee. The Trackpoint is best for data entry where you don't need fine accuracy and speeds up your work because you don't have to move your hand off the keyboard and back. Today I put it I a group with the foot trackball and the head mouse. The foot trackball was a giant track ball you put on the floor and moved with your foot. The head mouse attached to your head and moved the pointer by your turning your head.
@sims_tho2688
@sims_tho2688 8 лет назад
Ugh that clicky keyboard sound really gets me going.
@dizzym9554
@dizzym9554 7 лет назад
This thing looks amazing. I've always loved track points. Not great for gaming but I always found them a lot more accurate and comfortable for general use than trackpads personally
@thunderbirds9001
@thunderbirds9001 8 лет назад
I wonder when the next LGR Thrifts episode is gonna come out
@thunderbirds9001
@thunderbirds9001 8 лет назад
Just sittin in the shower when suddenly, I wonder when LGR Thrifts 25 is gonna come out
@Snotnarok
@Snotnarok 8 лет назад
:| ! You got Freedom Planet's indie box too? That was a hell of a surprise hit of a game for me. Cramming a ton of inspirations together to make a big mega-platformer that Treasure would be proud of. The keyboard you had showed in the start was my first keyboard with this old IBM PC we had, no idea what one specifically but I think you've shown that too. You're always a explosion of weird nostalgia LGR.
@augustomarques292
@augustomarques292 8 лет назад
Hey a Freedom Planet box! GalaxyTrail made a physical release for FP?
@LGR
@LGR 8 лет назад
Indie Box did! www.theindiebox.com/freedomplanet/
@augustomarques292
@augustomarques292 8 лет назад
+Lazy Game Reviews Awesome! Thanks for replying!
@Blendedasian
@Blendedasian 8 лет назад
i saw a strange box with some purple haired thing and found it familiar. so i turned up the quality and WHOA, it's that game with the sonic-like running animals with voices and stuff! i should try it someday, without the cutscenes, of course.
@Vexonia_Music
@Vexonia_Music 8 лет назад
+Dlendedasian DO IT
@SilverNerf
@SilverNerf 7 лет назад
Blendedasian they are also making a second game as well.
@outsider344
@outsider344 7 лет назад
I found an IBM model M when cleaning out my parents house the other day. I kept it out of the trash because the W key failed on my keyboard and I thought the model M would hold me over till I got a new one. I got it home, realized I love it, and found that the model M has a cult following online. I had no idea it was anything special. Only a whim kept it from the garbage.
@nilus2k
@nilus2k 7 лет назад
Again that is crazy to me, I didn't realize they had this cult following. I need to go raid my dads basement,. He worked for big blue for 30 years, He has to have like 30 model Ms down there at least
@toddhoward5964
@toddhoward5964 8 лет назад
You keep taunting me with that big box of Hotline Miami 2...
@toxiccameron3806
@toxiccameron3806 8 лет назад
GOTTA GET A GRIP
@supersohig3671
@supersohig3671 7 лет назад
Todd Howard f
@slashtiger1
@slashtiger1 8 лет назад
Lol @ 5:49 : 'Mario': "Welcome to "Mario Teaches Typing!" Clint: "Shut your face!"
@JAFOpty
@JAFOpty 7 лет назад
wao, set the counter for 500k Subs! well deserved!
@LGR
@LGR 7 лет назад
Thanks!
@harrisoncringe
@harrisoncringe 7 лет назад
Lazy Game Reviews did you know in uk ibm is known as Lenovo
@ParoxyDM
@ParoxyDM 7 лет назад
Lenovo acquired IBM's personal computer business in 2005
@aethylerix1612
@aethylerix1612 7 лет назад
But used the IBM badging until 2006/2007, i think.
@nilus2k
@nilus2k 7 лет назад
Yeah and the Thinkpads went to crap the moment they did
@depthklocke9009
@depthklocke9009 Год назад
it really does, it has such nice texture.
@603Madison
@603Madison 8 лет назад
What is the song used in the intro?
@awesomeferret
@awesomeferret 8 лет назад
Those track point nubs are really awesome for playing Minecraft. One you've played Minecraft with one of these types of pointing devices, you'll likely never want to use a mouse to play it ever again.
@justinkeys2708
@justinkeys2708 7 лет назад
I've been looking at thinkpads just so I could have the mouse pointer, really not a fan of trackpads.
@drtwo
@drtwo 6 лет назад
Lgr you are a awesome person keep up the good work and also I've learned a lot about older technology and newer technology from you and other RU-vidrs you've kind of been my teacher for technology which is good for many reasons
@AwesomeRepix
@AwesomeRepix 8 лет назад
3:18 oohhh that focus ;)
@nilus2k
@nilus2k 7 лет назад
So the reason for the color change and the track point is this wasn't a home PC keyboard. These were designed for IBM HMC(Hardware Management Consoles). So they were meant to go in a rack, with a pull out KVM tray. Some of those had little built in mouse pads that swung out but if you forgot to swing it back in when you closed the rack you could easily snap them off. So they opted to use the track point instead. The 90s was always when IBM wanted to be cool so they started making all their server hardware black. I know they were shipping IBM xSeries Servers with keyboards with trackpoints into the mid 2000s. Not M13s but smaller ones with mushy buttons. I use to do a lot of work at IBM hosting servers farms and every single xSeries came with a keyboard even though you never them, your rack had a KVM or HMC and/or there was always a crash cart rolling around to use. So there was always a corner of every server farm where there were just stacks of unused keyboards. They make great keyboards for servers(what they were meant for but) also for things like MAME cabinets where you don't have a mouse always handy.
@birdiemcchicken1471
@birdiemcchicken1471 8 лет назад
5:12 Is that a boxed copy of Freedom Planet???
@spoonified52
@spoonified52 7 лет назад
I have used these many times. They were quite popular with IBM Intel and PowerPC based servers, rackmount KVM systems, and server room crash carts where high precision mice were not needed. They still can be found in use for these systems as well due to their durability and reliability. I don't think they were ever shipped as an option with desktops and workstations.
@henrikeatworld
@henrikeatworld 8 лет назад
I love you Mr LGR. And yes, I am drunk. But I still love you. :D
@LGR
@LGR 8 лет назад
Cheers!
@arrosoirorgasmique7528
@arrosoirorgasmique7528 7 лет назад
I relate so much to this comment. In case you read this again while drunk, we love you too.
@henrikeatworld
@henrikeatworld 7 лет назад
This made my day
8 лет назад
I remember getting a Lenovo Thinkpad laptop (can't remember the specific model) from a place I worked at. The red trackpoint was perfect for pixel art! You could easily make stuff super straight super fast! I had to return the computer when I stopped working there but man. This keyboard would be ideal for my current needs. Damn you Clint, you win again!
@LGR
@LGR 8 лет назад
You're welcome :P
@ectofrost
@ectofrost 8 лет назад
Woah! Where did you get that Hotline Miami box?
@LGR
@LGR 8 лет назад
www.gamersedition.com/product/hotline-miami
@ectofrost
@ectofrost 8 лет назад
Aw man. Hope in goes on sale again soon. Thanks LGR.
@SylvaTheMoth
@SylvaTheMoth 8 лет назад
+ectofrost where is it? lol been looking though the video to see a glimpse of it
@ectofrost
@ectofrost 8 лет назад
(S-F)Mr. Frog Any time LGR is on screen its in the background with a 50 blessings symbol on the case.
@lestatcomedante3907
@lestatcomedante3907 8 лет назад
Likely through _Retro Box_.
@mariaer9692
@mariaer9692 8 лет назад
I was very surprised to see this in an LGR Oddware video. My old school had nothing but these keyboards and they bugged the hell out of me! There were probably around 40 keyboards in the library alone so they didn't seem like they were rare or anything.
@Inglonias
@Inglonias 8 лет назад
That's why there's that little indent in my Unicomp Spacesaver! They use the same mold for the trackpoint version and the standard version.
@SamSpain
@SamSpain 8 лет назад
Every time I think of Oddworld when I see a video of this series in my sub feed. Now you have a massive Abe's Exoddus box in the background now as well. Glorious.
@TheSpiralAim
@TheSpiralAim 8 лет назад
Soo apparently freedom planet has a big box release?
@LGR
@LGR 8 лет назад
store.theindiebox.com/collections/frontpage/products/freedom-planet
@TheSpiralAim
@TheSpiralAim 8 лет назад
Wow, I guess big box is back and I didn't notice. Neat! By the way I learned how to type on an M13 lol and I'm like a master of using those track point, I used to do competitive CS 1.6 with one, I did well too.
@ender_scythe2879
@ender_scythe2879 8 лет назад
+TheSpiralAim insane person.
@killer3234
@killer3234 8 лет назад
+TheSpiralAim That is the Indiebox release. I suggest looking at their site if you are interested in boxed indie games.
@TheSpiralAim
@TheSpiralAim 8 лет назад
I would agree lol.
@matakaheru6341
@matakaheru6341 7 лет назад
I didn't hear you mention it in your video, and I haven't seen it in the comments (but let's be honest, you posted this months ago, I'm not reading every single one of them.) So I'm going to throw this in here: The M13 Trackpoint is so hard to find because they were nearly exclusive to a piece of bundled hardware. Namely, the original Thinkpad Docking Station. The Trackpoint mouse pointer was introduced into the full sized keyboard so that professionals who spent most of their time on the go, and thus were very used to the trackpoint mouse, would be able to dock and continue to be productive in a familiar fashion. That is the same reason it is black. The Thinkpad hardware was all black, so a Grey / Putty M plugged into the dock wouldn't look right. (Yes, I know they introduced the Grey Trackpoint II M a few years later.) I worked retail, and sold IBM systems, I've looked, but can't find any of the old print ads for the docking stations. I remember the slogans were "The Power of a Desktop." Which I think was a play on the PowerPC systems that were also coming out in the mid-90s. I think it was also supposed to be a jab at Apple who had the PowerBook Duos at the time that were also designed around a dock.
@Engel990
@Engel990 8 лет назад
In my opinion any keyboard with a 'clit' to control the mouse is oddware.
@leavemealone6969
@leavemealone6969 8 лет назад
+Engel I just died x'DDD
@OfficialSoundtracker
@OfficialSoundtracker 8 лет назад
Hey LGR, I remember a while back you got a lot of IBM server towers, model 60 to model 90, and in the video you mentioned a monitor that was an early touch screen monitor? I am really really curious now, about how it would look if the IBM keyboard you showed here were connected to that monitor with a mouse connected to the keyboard, and, well, I guess just to have three methods of mouse technology put together for an absurd amount of overkill would be awesome to see in action. What do you think?
@kizmetmars
@kizmetmars 8 лет назад
I'd watch you do a typing session alllll night long. Call it my ASMR.....
@Drinkabeerandplayagameofficial
Big fan of the trackpoint mouses, had a Thinkpad all through college. I have to say that is a beautiful keyboard
@invghost
@invghost 8 лет назад
Didn't play Duke Nukem 3d? :O!!!
@buggsyspam
@buggsyspam 8 лет назад
+invghost I totally expected that. I think Duke 3D should be a standard benchmark used in all Oddware reviews.
@rrpiva
@rrpiva 8 лет назад
I could never get one of those keyboards again. I had one Model M with my PC-XT a long time ago. Now, all that I could find is a mechanical keyboard with brown switches. I am satisfied with that, but the nostalgia still makes me want one of those. Thanks for the video, very cool! :)
@JonnyInfinite
@JonnyInfinite 8 лет назад
I don't get why US keyboards have that single block return key, having a big 'L' shaped button is so...much...better
@eldafint
@eldafint 8 лет назад
Ikr!
@MagicalAuroraDream
@MagicalAuroraDream 8 лет назад
We do have L-shaped return keys on some keyboards. Admittedly, however, I've not seen them since I was a kid in perhaps the late 90s or early 2000s. I think our old Gateway had that kind of keyboard. But I don't remember. Anyway L-shaped enter keys have existed even if they're likely quite rare now over here. To
@JonnyInfinite
@JonnyInfinite 8 лет назад
+Jade Scribbler the L shape is a UK standard. Virtually every keyboard has one here
@MagicalAuroraDream
@MagicalAuroraDream 8 лет назад
+JonnyInfinite Wow, that's interesting. I guess they might have been more common when I was a kid but I've not seen one in years. It's interesting how a keyboard standard can differ even in two English speaking countries.
@JonnyInfinite
@JonnyInfinite 8 лет назад
+Jade Scribbler en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_and_American_keyboards
@marius35mm
@marius35mm Год назад
Can you use this on a modern PC/laptop with a PS2 to USB adapter? Do you need two adapters for the mouse also?
@LGR
@LGR Год назад
Yes to both! You’ll need an active PS/2 to USB adapter for the keyboard though, like the bluish/purple one I showed here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Jjh7zAuaw-0.html
@t33s
@t33s 8 лет назад
I really don't understand why mouse and touchpad became the most popular pointing devices. Trackpoints and trackballs are way better. The only situation when a mouse is superior is playing a first-person shooter, and touchpads just suck.
@Retrohertz
@Retrohertz 8 лет назад
There is something comforting about a quality, responsive and clicky keyboard. It's tricky to put your finger on precisely what it is about it.
@jackdiller9087
@jackdiller9087 7 лет назад
I want this.
@angrydachshund
@angrydachshund 7 лет назад
You can have one. They are still made. It's called the EnduraPro by Unicomp. I've used an EnduraPro for years and years.
@jackdiller9087
@jackdiller9087 7 лет назад
Then I am certainly going to get one :]
@JaredJanhsen
@JaredJanhsen 6 лет назад
I am so jelly of you and your all black M13. I say this as a man who bought and assembled his own TEX Yoda. Trackpoint 4 Lyfe dawg (when it comes to work that is).
@toxy3580
@toxy3580 8 лет назад
pad printed legends, shit :l
@Upahm4n
@Upahm4n 7 лет назад
why not just clean the legends off straight out of the box?
@toxy3580
@toxy3580 7 лет назад
UpahUpah what
@Upahm4n
@Upahm4n 7 лет назад
if i were to buy this i would chemically remove the pad printed legends and just use it is a blank board
@kolive81
@kolive81 5 лет назад
I just pulled a very similar model (KPD8923) from my stash after discovering that I can remap the keys for use on a Mac. I forgot that it had a PS/2 port in back. It came from a piece of mainframe equipment that was on a KVM so the keyboard was just gathering dust in a closet. I used this keyboard at work for 10+ years on a windows machine and loved it-the keyboard, not windows. Can't say I have the same problem with hitting the nub in the middle while typing. I still need a trackpad for pinches and swipes but it works well.
@ancientflounder
@ancientflounder 7 лет назад
The color and texture of that keyboard is just really nice. Also, that conversion of Area 51 looks pretty good, too.
@schalkespringer
@schalkespringer 8 лет назад
God I loved this Keyboard back in the day. This video is like seeing an old flame at a reunion or something. I used that ps2 back port, along with an adapter, for an ancient Wacom graphics tablet.
@PunishedFelix
@PunishedFelix 8 лет назад
I swear I think I had this with my old ibm for a while. surprised to see it so valuable
@basscadet75
@basscadet75 8 лет назад
These never came with any system, they were only sold separately. Unless you specifically bought it, you had a different keyboard with your system.
@steffenstengardvilladsen3740
@steffenstengardvilladsen3740 7 лет назад
a) Can you control the trackpoint without changing fra writing position? b) Is it on par with modern the trackpoint on T4x and above? I think you are testing it wrong. The force of the trackpoint is in situations where you mostly need keyboard, but also a bit of mouse, and it is faster to use the trackpoint than reach for mouse. Some of the later IBM keyboard (year 2005) were also black like SK8815, although it is branded Lenovo.
@FatalKitsune
@FatalKitsune 8 лет назад
Clint, at some point you're just going to have to open up a museum for these things so you can share the joy! ...And have more room to get more cool stuff!
@RealElementProductions
@RealElementProductions 8 лет назад
What camera do you use to record your videos? Apologies if you've mentioned it before.
@LGR
@LGR 8 лет назад
I used my phone for a fair amount of this one, a Samsung Galaxy Note 5. I also used a Canon T5i for certain shots.
@ThatSoddingGamer
@ThatSoddingGamer 5 лет назад
Dang, that game. Area 51. I had some fun playing it on the rare occasions I went to the arcade years ago. Would be cool to have that cabinet and lightgun setup.
@sleekskyline120
@sleekskyline120 8 лет назад
I found one of these in a scrap heap at work and I'm using it right now! Love this thing. The keys are quite a bit heavier than the MX Blues in my Logitech G710.
@thestigmister
@thestigmister 8 лет назад
My laptop which was made in 2011 which came with Windows 7 Pro and is now currently running Windows 10 pro, which I am currently using to type this comment and watch your awesome videos has a trackball and comes with 2 sets of left and right click buttons. One for the trackpad and the other for the track ball. Not annoying at all and I use it sometimes for scrolling since it also has a middle button for scrolling. It's a preety kewl Laptop!
@SipsikDreamer
@SipsikDreamer 5 лет назад
Your voice and the keyboard clicking is really my type of asmr
@Lachlant1984
@Lachlant1984 8 лет назад
I've occasionally thought about getting the Unicom USB versions of these because I believe they make one with a tracepoint mouse on it. I think vWestilife may have talked about this model of keyboard on his RU-vid Channel. Do you know if IBM bundled these M13 keyboards with any of their PCs when they were knew? Could they have bundled these keyboards with, say, their Aptiva PCs or PS/2 systems?
@ImSquiggs
@ImSquiggs 7 лет назад
I had no idea there was a home version of Area 51. Wow, does it bring me back seeing that again.
@jamesp5644
@jamesp5644 7 лет назад
that's such a beautiful m13. my yard sale one has a crackly cable that's almost completely out of the rubber sheath. and the white is kinda yellow. I use it everyday and I love it. its also a maxi switch and it's pretty good quality (I think)
@johnrickard8512
@johnrickard8512 7 лет назад
Working with a trackpoint requires you to be accustomed to its quirks, but it will beat a trackpad any day. Also, loving the mechanical keyswitches(which is why my workstation PC and my antique RISC workstation use a fully mechanical keyboard...my gaming pc does not have that luxury).
@compactc9
@compactc9 8 лет назад
I've got an M13 that needs some repair to make the tracepoint work again. I discovered Unicomp offers to repair original Ms and M13s. I just need to get around to getting it done.
@TheGameGrinder
@TheGameGrinder 8 лет назад
I have a coworker that uses a Model M with his work computer. Dude love that keyboard. He has one for home use too.
@ClexYoshi
@ClexYoshi 8 лет назад
5:24 It warms my heart to see the indiebox version of Freedom Planet right there front and center in this video.
@LGR
@LGR 8 лет назад
It's a stellar game in a great box!
@ClexYoshi
@ClexYoshi 8 лет назад
I'm a pretty big fan of GASHI-GASHI's art, so I have to agree, Clint~!
@GeoStreber
@GeoStreber 7 лет назад
Are you sure there are proper switches under the keys? I thought all Model Ms have membranes under the buckling springs. The one with the capacitive switches are Model Fs.
@superscope9629
@superscope9629 8 лет назад
I ordered a Unicomp EnduraPro a couple of years ago before going to college (The current production model by Unicomp of the M13), and after a couple of days of straight typing and gaming, It's fairly easy to get used to typing really, really quickly without hitting the trackpoint nub at all. I've still been looking for an M13 for years now, and floored that you were able to find a Lexmark model for $75 XD. Hope I can stumble across a deal like that some day~
@Bruwulf
@Bruwulf 8 лет назад
Since you mentioned them in this video, I thought I'd ask... Have you ever personally used a Unicomp keyboard? I've been considering getting one to replace my existing IBM one, which after something like three decades of use is finally developing some quirks I'm not entirely able to fix. Plus a native USB interface would be nice. But I've heard mixed things about Unicomp's quality.
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