Libertarianism is WEAK w/ John Doyle 

I used to be libertarian, but as I’ve gotten older I’m def more conservative. Especially after living in a deep blue city and seeing how left wing policies destroy the city and the state it’s in, where I currently live.

Yeah, complete hands off Libertarianism doesn't work because there will always be people who want to be in your business. However, I think the Free State Project proves that libertarians who are willing to participate can make a difference.

Less gov?! No political party in the US would ever tolerate that. Keep in mind that the definition of liberalism in the US is different in other parts of the world like Europe.

"We are not expecting Utopia here on this earth. But God meant things to be much easier than we have made them." - Dorothy Day, Servant of God

Matt, please reach out to Tom Woods to discuss libertarianism on your show. I think it's only fair to give libertarians a chance to explain their actual views. And I think it would be a fun episode.

Read more Rothbard, Hoppe and Paul.

Between Seamus and this guy, this is the 3rd time I'm seeing this channel bashing libertarianism without ever talking to one. May I suggest Tom Woods or Judge Napolitano. Both Catholic and both would be better than a conservative bashing a caricature for a RU-vid clip. It might actually be possible to have a functioning, traditional society without a monopoly on killing or imprisoning people.

Maybe have Tom Woods or Bob Murphy on your show if you want an intelligent take on libertarians. Not some kid. Anyone from the Libertarian Christian Institute would be great too!

So... put some sort of limits on government to infringe on your rights, even if a majority would vote to do so. We could call it a "constitution". We could even set it up so no one is actually in charge, and instead there could be multiple branches of government, at both the federal and state level, that pit ambition against ambition, in a system of checks and balances. It's a crazy idea.

I would like to reiterate calls to have Tom Woods on the show.

When are you going to have Tom Woods on the show?

So what about Constitutional Libertarians? They're a bit different from the traditional Libertarian, as they are Constitution-forward in their thinking. Not so much as "don't tread on me" as much as don't violate the Constitution that this country was founded on.

There are so many prominent libertarian Catholics: Tom Woods, Stephanie Slade, and others. This guy’s straw man arguments against libertarianism are high school level arguments. Get a Catholic libertarian on to talk about this subject.

i usually like pints videos but this was dumb

So I’m not libertarian, make fun of them all the time, but watching this guy act so smug with the most shallow understanding of politics makes me feel it’s better to default to it then to allow people like him have any shred of power.

You've had a few videos on libertarians but have never had someone on to make a strong case for libertarianism. People have given you recommendations. The libertarian perspective made here and your other videos are simplistic and incomplete. Someone is describing what he believes to be libertarianism, but is way off, and then arguing why his idea of libertarianism is so wrong.

It's about the friend enemy distinction

This right here at 5:18. Conservatives have actually conserved nothing except for Woodrow Wilson's America, and many of them need to eat some humble pie and admit that before they start ripping on libertarians for being useless do-nothings. "Conservatism is just progressivism driving the speed limit" --Michael Malice.

someone online told me that there is not a single definition of the word liberty. Each country and language has their own definition of liberty based on previous systems that oppressed them in the past.

2:38 This is totally spot-on. I've been thinking about this from a theoretical perspective recently, and it seems like you can almost sort of classify whether a country is more left-wing or right-wing based on which faction is more authoritarian vs. libertarian (or collectivist vs. individualist). The losing side, the political minority, and/or the controlled opposition generally tend to be the more liberal faction. This is why the left became pro-war, pro-surveillance, pro-censorship, etc. in the last decade or so, because after Obamna they'd overtaken all the insta-tooshuns in an invisible soft coup no one seems to have noticed. Before people used to want to censor pornography, profanity (lol) when the population was more homogeneous and religious and the government somewhat kind of reflected that or at least kept it in mind, and now the censorship is people who oppose infinite immigration, child cxstration, etc., almost sort of proving that the left is just insane and never a stable thing for any culture to base its insta-tooshuns (illegal word) around, and never should have been invented during the French Revolution or whenever. I think what the right tends to seek in most cultures is stability which sometimes involves cxnflict to resolve and establish a stable order, but the left being based on insane, anti-reality false propositions and characterized by infinite-conflict Marx is inherently geared towards theft, vxxlxnce, and whatever it takes to attempt to fxrce their delusional hallucination of warped reality into being from their self-appointed positions as gods who rule over not just mortals, but the laws of physics itself. You can see this even if you just compare Irxn and Sxxdi Arxbia, the latter being a status quo monarchy, and the former being a revolutionary fxrce that wants to topple countless governments. Post-Soviet Rxssia is realizing dropping its buffer states was a mistake and is starting cxnflict to attempt to re-establish them while we back them into a corner, but China is like the Soviet Union in that they have the infinite-conflict Marxist singularity codified into their governments and religiously fxrced into everyone's minds at every level of society from the top-down, making them behave like a sort of anti-religious religious zealots. Anyway, appeals to liberalism by the losing or minority faction is an attempt to return things to the "middle" and re-establish some sort of equilibrium or even playing field. That's why a lot of more collectivist-type people on the right were skeptical of Milei in Argentina who is a libertarian, but I thought he was great since the government there is so far left that just gxtting all these useless, coutnerproductive, pxrxsitic woke, Marxist insta-tooshuns the way he's been doing has been a massive return to normalcy for the country. And if he wants to entrench his power from there, he can increasingly do so, paradoxically by returning things to the more libertarian middle. In a way, it's almost like cleaning out junk in order to make room for new stuff that's actually good. Having all the shelves empty is a sort of blank-slate intermediate position, and if the right doesn't fill the shelves when they're empty, the left will, and the right will have to just procrastinate on clearing anything out when the left keeps swatting their hands away, until it just keeps getting more out of hand and we end up in insane pre-cxllapse positions like the one we're in today, or the one Milei is trying to get Argentina out of, or the one Rxssia tried to get out of three decades ago. (I think most people would argue that whatever Rxssia did to get out of communism, it was pretty much worth it, aside from giving up the buffer states for literally almost no reason.)

Wise, one cannot allow the opposition to define you.

Adhering to a philosophy that promotes unity in morals and values that adequately deals with bad faith actors ultimately results in something that FEELS libertarian *as long as that structure remains* Remove the pillars of common culture, religion, and family, libertarianism must make room for more intrusive government to maintain order and peace.

This guy seems to believe that libertarian means libertine . I wish he would talk with someone like Tom Woods , Ron Paul , or Dave Smith .

there is a framework there for semi-independent townships with definitive charters on how they interact with their wider county or state

Everyone needs to quit saying Joe Rogan is conservative, he's not. He's recently admitted he's not. As he said, "Why do you think I'm conservative? Because I support the military? Because I support the second amendment? I'm not even close to being conservative." That might not be verbatim, but it's close.

Conservatives conserve classical liberalism. Modern liberalism extends from those principles as well. Overall, reject liberalism

He sounds like a child who spent five minutes reading about libertarianism and now believes himself to be an expert. Either that or he’s strawmanning. Not sure which is worse.

Libertarianism is a stage to pass through.

The guest isn't old enough to see all the right-wing politicians we voted for prop up the left-wing establishment. We tried fighting power with power. It didn't work.

Libertarianism only lasts outside of a socialized state with low or no tax. I will accept that people will imperil their own souls by their own choices and, I cannot stop them. It is critically important that if you want to do whatever you want, you also have to accept that you must pay the full price and consequence of every decision.

I feel like this guy's eloquence is working against him. Behind all his confident assertions, I suspect there's a fair bit of straw-manning going on.

I think the thing Catholics keep missing about Libertarianism is it’s not just about individualism and letting people do what they want, it’s about getting rid of the greatest threat to community, tradition, and morality that currently exists; the state. This is why many of the greatest conservative scholars of the last century and now like Oakeshott, Nisbet, Gottfried, Livingston, Bradford, and many more, were strategically libertarians. Even Tolkien identified as an anarchist

amen

This is a very good critique of a weak straw man. This commentator does not understand Libertarianism nor the political tradition.

Will watch the full vid later.

I am noticing the anti-libertarian bandwagon is hot right now among conservatives. These ideas are running unchecked. Have someone like Tom Woods on for another perspective

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Here's a plan to implement libertarianism, prohibit government coercion. We pass a 28th amendment, "Government coercion is prohibited." Since all cops and soldiers take an oath to defend the Constitution Bob's your uncle.

Conservatives aren't exactly doing much either.

All the libertarians in the comments cope about their own ideology. Just bite the bullet, libertarianism comes out of liberalism. It's a kind of liberalism. We understand libertarianism perfectly well, but we don't buy into some of the values that spread after the enlightenment. And besides that, look at the libertarian party.

Weak? So like you would prefer being anarcho-captialist? Nice. 😛 But no, your takes on libertarianism have always shown a lack of interacttion with any type of literature.

So sick of juvenile misrepresentations of libertarianism. No, you didn't go through a "libertarian phase," you went through a phase calling yourself a libertarian because you saw it as the philosophy of political freedom without understanding the how and why of the liberty position. You can either challenge the authoritarianism by mobilizing for freedom, DISALLOWING their authoritarianism by violent revolution if necessary, or you introduce your own authoritarianism, which introduces its own offenses against personal liberty and unintended consequences. You right-wing authoritarians are almost as brain-dead as left-wing authoritarians. The smugness of "I used to be a 'hey everyone just smoke weed and do whatever' libertarian but then I grew up" is so tiresome and stupid.

Just say you're a nationalist. Paleo conservative screams of bow ties to normies

This guy made me laugh..He talked about weak Libertarians ... Then talked for four minutes about what type of Conservative he is..😂😂😂😂

Great guest!

"We demand a King" vibe.

Libertarians own a great part of the mess this country is in

God tells us who will not go to heaven. Revelation 21:6-8 It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life. Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children. But, the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the lustful, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars, they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death. Just about everyone has lustful thoughts and just about everyone lies. If this is you, you had better stop or you will not be allowed into heaven. Revelation 21:27 Nothing impure will ever enter the Kingdom of Heaven, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life. * Listen to Jesus. He is warning you loud and clear. Become righteous or else. Matthew 17:5 While Jesus was still speaking a bright cloud covered them and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my son whom I love. With him I am well pleased. Listen to him.” John 12:49-50 For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken. I know that His command leads to eternal life, so whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say. John 14:6 I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. * Matthew 7:21 Not everyone who says to me, “Lord, lord,” will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Matthew 13:41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. Matthew 16:27 The Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will repay each person according to what they have done. John 8:34-35 Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. John 8:47 Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God. John 14:23-24 Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them. Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. John 15:12-14 My command is this. Love each other as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this; to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. You are my friends if you do what I command. Revelation 2:23 Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds. Revelation 3:15-16 I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! So, because you are lukewarm, neither hot nor cold, I am about to spit you out of my mouth. Revelation 20:11-15, 21:27 Then I saw a great white thrown and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. The dead were judged according to what they had done, as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. Anyone whose name was not found written in the Book of Life was thrown into the lake of fire, for nothing impure will ever enter the Kingdom of Heaven, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life. Revelation 21:8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars, they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death. Revelation 22:14 Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city.

I would argue that this guys take is wrong... long comment time 1.) Me: "Well I shouldn't be able to tell other people how to live" Him: "Well someone else wants to tell you how to live so you should vote to tell them how to live"... I'm sorry and that's okay how? you just said "I think it is a mature thing to say" that " you should have your rights and I should have mine as long as I don't trample on yours" So you just throw that out because someone else wants to tell me what to do? That doesn't make it right to do so, and you're actively making a case on why it should be okay to remove someone's rights and your answer is because they want to remove mine. That's not morally sound. 2.) I would gladly implement that and reduce that power, I would also argue that favors you more than increasing the power of the government so that, when they have their turn, they can use your very own setup to trample your rights which you just said should not be done. 3.) Calling libertarians a bunch of garage organizing, weed smoking, masturbators is not a good way to attack a political ideology. 4.) Don't tread on me, started a revolution against tyranny. Meanwhile the BLM movement you mentioned started some riots. Saying something more strongly doesn't make it a better idea and it actually proves more than libertarianism how far things have fallen, because people don't think for themselves and instead just agree with nonsensical statements like "if you don't like this its violence against us" you know who else said that? Joseph Stalin and Adolf Hitler. 5.) so how did you go from it being about the "government is too large and needs to shrink in power" to "bud light/clickbait" so now you're also intentionally misrepresenting the positions. 6.) Those "neo conservatives that didn't like liberal policies" also passed the civil rights act... this is maybe not the best place to say "hey like before those guys is where I think I belong." 7.) "I am not pro capitalism" welp, definitely not the guy who you should listen to then. Despite its flaws, capitalism is objectively the greatest economic system the world has ever seen, but okay what are you? "I believe in economic nationalism" This theory is not economically sound. In exactly ZERO economic text books would you find someone espousing this as a beneficial doctrine. Free trade is better than producing goods in your own country so long as that trade is equal. For instance don't trade with china because they do not operate on the same economic principles like labor and environmental protections, the general idea is that you can specialize in what you're good at economically and trade. I know you will go "well economists don't know anything" sure people just pay boatloads of money to hire them and they fix your economy as your conservative and liberal politicians continue to put it to ruin because they sure know a lot less than they do. By the way, we have research to prove this, its not just smoke. 8.) your ideas don't provide a way to slow down the educational attainment unless your idea is to shrink government programs which will cause lower attendance at universities, this is just simple supply and demand. In which case libertarians whole heartedly agree with you. My final point is: Libertarianism is the only political doctrine which holds steady and constant values, it is the idea that you should be both economically and morally free. Conservatism is the idea that you should be economically free, and socially controlled. Liberalism used to be the idea that economically controlled, and socially free. See libertarianism is the idea that you should be free across the board, not in just one or the other categories, you are either free or you aren't. If you are Christian, if God gives them the free will to act as they do, who are you to control them? So for those saying Libertarianism is just a phase, I argue you were just unwilling to stick up for a better belief, not perfect, but certainly better than the same two parties you have continued to vote for and watch them curropt the government before your eyes while you argue over who is worse instead of voting for who is better.

Interesting seeing the comments of people pissed off

No, libertarianism is basically "keep the government out of our and everyones life." Sad, you were "libertarian, " but you don't understand it. Your description of right-wing is libertarian 😂

I love how all of the responses to John Doyle boil down to “real libertarianism hasn’t been tried”

Normie kosher bro? No thanks.

Right off the bat: 1. Libertarianism ≠ liberalism 2. Libertarianism does not come from the "anglosaxon tradition", but from the Spanish (Catholic) Scholastic tradition. 3. Libertarianism is not pro-democracy. 4. If you call yourself a paleoconservative, you should know that. American libertarianism comes from the American Old Right tradition.

Libertarians have no plans to use violence to get their way. Yep. Jesus calls us not to initiate violence, but to bear our cross and point out the truth.

"Libertarianism is so juvenile, im so beyond that, like puhlease" - 23 year old dude

Oh boy, I can't wait to watch two people who have no idea what Libertarianism is to talk about what they THINK Libertarianism is. Libertarianism is not about weed and degeneracy. Yes, it happens, but it's going to happen in every society no matter the ideological stances. Sayings like "Don't Tread on Me" aren't just about being left alone, and people constantly leave out the part about self defense. If you actually sit down and talk to people like Dave Smith or Tom Woods, there's a lot more in common than you think, but people only like to focus on one stereotype of libertarianism and attack that. 6:50 is a prime example, because there is absolutely no disagreement there with most libertarians, because believe it or not, they're not all degenerates. Actions have consequences, and nobody is shying away from that.

This guy is speaking out against Liberty from a National Socialist perspective. We need Tom Woods on the show to talk about the issue because he is a devout catholic and a historian and a strong believer of Liberty.

Libertarianism is not about how a society should work, just don't use force and violence to build your society.

This guy doesn't know what he is talking about. Too many click bait titles. Did you learn nothing from your episode with Jimmy Atkin?

In the first 45 seconds he proves why diversity isn't our greatest strength.

Lolbertarians

Love me sum John Doyle

God gave people free will. Free will is at the essence of libertarianism. If people can be trusted with the most important choice of their lives - choosing to believe in God - they can be trusted with less important choices.

Every libertarian I've known is an above average intelligent white guy with plenty of money that's usually really conservative but lacks the balls to push for socially conservative policies in front of their liberal friends on social media.

The split from England was a mistake. The split from Rome was England’s mistake. US, Australia, Canada, and all of Europe need to declare Jesus King as Hungary has done, and become Catholic countries. New Conservative enough!!??

There’s a name for his kind of conservative. It’s called fascism. Literally. Love it or hate it…. Objectively, he literally described his political ideology as fascist but used other words.

Congratulations, Matt! Your guest has ruined so many weighted blankets with the meltdowns from this clip. 😂

As a former Libertarian, this is the best explanation of the flaw of Libertarianism.

Embarrassing summation of libertarianism. Our constitutional republic is based on libertarian principles coupled with a small government. Even the Supreme Court has stated the constitutional cannot be understood outside the context of common law. Common law is fundamentally about don’t trespass on your neighbor which is libertarian. This is ego on display without intelligence or wisdom.

This dude lost me when he tried making excuses for Trump. He wasn’t indicted because of his masculinity; he was indicted because he tried to coerce elected officials to overturn an election.

What a ridiculous argument, and straw man caricature of libertarianism. So, his solution is to further empower the government to make the moral personal decisions for people? His approach is exactly what has gotten us to this mess and doomed our culture.

In the United States, libertarians are really no different than the American Communist Party as far as their political agenda.

This guy is making the case for libertarianism and against unlimited democracy and conflating the two.

Smoking weed is not sinful 🤷🏼‍♂️

Lots of “libertarians” in the comments. If you’re unwilling to use the state to preserve your people, you will be remembered by history as a worthless coward.

I don’t know this John Doyle fella, but he sounds pretty based.

A lot of coping Libertarians in these comments raging out because John is absolutely spot on when calling out the issues with Libertarianism.