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Some things I noticed and thoughts: I'm very happy with the fact that they replaced Cat Foot 1, as before it's animation was very similar to Pouncing Tiger Stalking Wolf. I'm hoping they also change the name as it was needlessly confusing with both of her stances being called CF 1 and 2, especially in a game that uses numbers for the notation of moves. The only returning move we've seen in the stance is her old CF1 2, the mid chop, which now does the new hit throw, which I think is a great way to balance the move as now it can most likely be safe again. The 1 and 3 options seem to have been replaced. If both her new stance and her old CF2 (which I assume will just be called "Cat Foot" now) lead to PTSW, then it's possible Heaven and Earth is a heat exclusive stance. This is supported by the fact that it makes the heat noise even when she manually transitions to it from her new stance (But perhaps this is just signifying the autoparry from the stance). This simplifies learning how to fight her, because if you see her transition with f from either stance outside of heat you know that she is in PTSW. Better design. However, it was shown that she can also still go into PTSW from the new stance during heat. So it begs the question of what the input is for going into HAE. Also, if HAE is heat only this would make sense as it seems to be buffed, because the 1, the crumple stun launcher, was seemingly upgraded to a giant powercrush launcher (I hope it's still safe haha). It also seems like the low got replaced, and now its a mid, mid knockdown string 2, 1+2. Considering the power of the stance it's probably safe. Final extra things: If the new homing jump kick that guarantees 10 frames is uf4, it will replace her hopkick, which was her i15 launcher as she didn't have a standard df2. I initially agreed with K-wiss that the new jumping knee will be a hopknee i15 launcher, but if you watch frame by frame, she specifically does it from crouch, which makes me think that might be a ws3 or 3+4? This means she would launch at i17 with 3, 2. Maybe her new move is u4 instead? Also, the heat engager she used to dash for a combo seems like a new move, most likely ff1, it looks like a demon paw so probably safe.
The reason why they called both stances CF1 and CF2 is because they wanted to stay true and authentic to traditional Karate as both moves use the "cat foot" stance or what Karate practitioners call Nekoashi Dachi. If you pay close attention, in both moves the legs and feet are in the same exact position, the "cat foot" position, while only the upper body is doing something different.
After getting back into Tekken (last game played was 5) with 7 late, Lidia was the character that truly made me start getting better at the game in general. Hopefully they don’t remove most of her moveset. I’ve always felt that her T7 moveset look like stuff that was meant for the next game and from this trailer it shows.
As one of the few Lidia (or “Lida” as you colloquially call her lol) mains after the nerfs in T7 who was still at a beginner level, I’d love a brief guide going over the basics of her gameplay when she releases! I don’t know anybody else who would know her at the level you do. The few left who used her after the nerfs just used her as a pocket character. It seems like her stances are gonna be even more complicated than before. But as somebody who also practiced karate when I was younger, I have to learn her! Anyways, thanks for the trailer breakdown. Good luck at Dreamhack Dallas!
yo i always knew you for your Hwoarang, i never knew you also played Lidia in T7 ... as a Hwoarang and Lidia player myself this makes me even happier to follow your content. I'll be looking forward to seeing you play Lidia in the future. Cheers brother!
Lowering new stance = Cat Feet Stance 1 (CFO / f3+4) + forward input = Heaven and Earth (HAE). Right hand and feet forward stance = Cat Feet Stance 2 (CFT / b3+4) + forward input = Pouncing Tiger, Stalking Wolf (TAW). Backward input (after CFO or CFT) = Vacuity (I think, at least, the command list only have it with the follow-up, and the full name is "Vacuity into swift high jab").
The funny thing is that they are really making her ff2 her best move and more unique, because although having quite less reach comparing to other characters (like Jin and Reina, busted moves btw), now it goes into CFO even on block, like her Rage Drive was in Tekken 7, and in heat it breaks power crushes. I hope they don't make ff2 or her new CFO 1 a heat engager, imagine how idiotic would be to have a power crush HOMING that is also a heat engager... I honestly hope they don't change her that much, she was almost perfect in Tekken 7, if only she had a good low and knock downs, but in this game they made it a lot better for Tekken 8, now her hellsweep goes into stance (and maybe she will still having the follow-up 2, if we input it from close range) and d3,1,2 (old follow-up from df3~1,2) is now a CH guaranteed high damaging string. If they make her db4 the new pre-nerf Dragunov's d3+4 tho, we raid.
For rewinding/forwarding, you can use the arrow keys to move it 1 second back and forth. And you can also use your comma and period keys to go 1 frame back and forth
That concept of absorbing a power crush is fucking stupid. I can see a heat burst doing so because it's essentially a super move, the same way that a rage art will absorb. They added power crush to absorb attacks, it added another interesting level of gameplay. Now they're adding another move type to armour through... Armour moves? What's next? A move to armour through the move that armours through the original armour move? Fucking stupid. Rest of her looks cool though
Now is it the different then using a power crush to counter an incoming power crush? Also yea atm i agree with the guy above me, she didn't actually absorb any attack
I dont think the wind animation is going to be armor break, asuka has the same thing on her powered running move, i think it means that it will chip on block and launch on hit/counter hit.
Im a total tekken beginner but given the amount of armour attacks in the game i think armour break attacks could be good to stop armor spam. At least from my pov as a beginner 😂
As a loyal lidia main who played her when she first came out in tekken 7 I just hope she still has the jumping hook kick into stance!!! I’m really excited to play lidia in tekken 8 but I feel she will suffer from the same issues she had in tekken 7 with people calling her extremely cheap with her damage and mix up potential when she first came out giving the character a very bad reputation both at the pro level and casual level and now she may be even worse than before especially with all the new stuff they have given her such as moves that beat power crushes and armored stance transitions…overall I’m just really happy Lidia is back and I’m also very impressed with the way they recreated the character to bring more hype to her because Lidia was not very popular after she got nerfed into oblivion but now that she’s back she looks stronger than ever and more unique than she was in tekken 7 overall loving her design not really a fan of the way they redesigned her face and hair color tho
She seems complex stance character, i’m kind of on the fence now. But i guess i’ll play her as a beginner first, slowly adding to the repertoire as i play. Gotta learn her combos and good moves. Anyone has advice for playing stance characters? I only play Lili, Jun, Zafina, and Devil Jin. I know Zafina has stances but she doesn’t have too many moves in stance. And from tk7 to tk8 they took away moves from mantis and scarecrow. I had to take my time with her to learn her back in tekken 7.
A key thing to know with playing stance characters is that you'll play against people who will let you use your stance stuff and then also people who wont. So learn your stance options for different situations, as well as when and when not to go for a mixup. Its important to first learn how your opponent reacts to stances before going for anything.
You can counterhit grab or just block already and some heat smashes you can sidestep. Heat smashes are stupid but I don't think we need any more mechanics
I noticed you had trouble pausing at the right times, and I'm not sure if you knew this K-Wiss but if you pause a youtube video you can press "" on your keyboard to run through individual frames both backwards and forwards
Took me too long to realize the title's missing the second "i" in Lidia's name. 3:08 Lidia doesn't look like Nina. Lidia has a different nose and a far more pronounced jawline and cheekbones. CAT4 had a counter hit sound effect in the trailer, so I don't know if that means Leroy was just mashing, or it only knocks down on counter hit now. My guess is that the auto parry for HAE is a Heat only thing, similar to Reina's Heaven's Wrath parry. I have feeling HAE1, I think that's the mid launcher, is either going to be a Heat Engager or one of those moves that guarantees a Heat Engager. Though, df2 might be a guaranteed Heat Engager move since it was a counter hit launcher in Tekken 7.
The powercrush launcher she does from HAE is also with the left arm, so it's possible that's the new HAE1. Also, I agree that df2 will probably just give a guaranteed heat engager, as we saw that CFII 3 was changed to a heat engager.
