Lie-Nielsen Honing Guide vs. Veritas MK.II Honing Guide | Tool Duel #1

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@MattEstlea 6 лет назад

HOW TO MAKE A PROTRUSION STOP: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-I417VVog0Bc.html

@kenessex528 5 лет назад

Matt Estlea how to make a protrusion stop

@rothyn88 4 года назад

well then, i accidental read protrusion as prostitution, really confused me for a bit

@sc1386 4 года назад

@Matt Estlea is it possible to make a good honing guide with wood.

@skwalka6372 Год назад

Matt, I know this is a belated question, but doesn't the fact the wheel in the Nielsen, which seems to be made of steel, cause you to be concerned about its effect on the grinding stone, especially the diamond ones?

@adeh503 Год назад

Veritas all the way, much more precise and the same results over and over again

@Wesstuntube 4 года назад

Thanks for the thorough overview - it helped a lot, even though I ended up going with the Veritas. What killed the Lie Nielsen for me is the price. $125 US for the jig itself. Another $35 for the long jaw pair. Another $70 for the 2 skew jaw pairs that allow you to do left and right skew chisels, assuming you only want to do 30 degree skew chisels. If you wanna do left and right 18 degree skew chisels add on another $70. We're talking $300 for a fully-equipped honing guide that can handle all of the common situations, and you STILL have to make your own angle registration jig of some sort. The Veritas deluxe honing guide is $125 and includes both the wide and narrow heads, the flat and cambered rollers, and the proper angle registration jig. Throw in another $35 for the skew registration jig, and you're set for left and right skew chisels of any angle. We're ready for anything for $160, which is about half the cost. I totally believe in buying quality, but the Veritas is quality. Quality for half the price is something I can live with, even if I have to tighten an additional knob.

@georgeconradie5355 4 года назад

Totally agree. Apart from the price, using other tools like a screw driver to change the grab jaws seem more fiddly than hand tightened knurls.

@lonewolfmtnz 3 года назад

TOTALLY AGREE - Lie-Neilson pricing is freakin' NUTZ. I reckon if you drive a Bugatti with its $25,000 dealer-only oil changes, then you don't GAF. But in the real world, there is the rest of us savages.

@robinstewart6510 3 года назад

I rarely sharpen both chisels and blades at the same time. Usually one or the other. And, once the Veritas is set up for chisels, I can sharpen all the chisels I want. Same with blades. In other words, the Veritas isn't that "fiddly" in actual use. Can't think of anything I don't like, but especially like the wide wheel and nice registration jig.

@paulround8501 3 года назад

Have to agree, Lie Nielsen are good tools for sure but they are way too expensive for what they are especially here in the EU where you can add another 25% at least to the US prices.

@christophersult5728 Год назад

Too fiddly? 😂 with Lie-N, it’s way overpriced for tiny pieces of metal and much more fiddly with all those parts for each type blade n chisels🙄 screw that it takes me 20 secs to register my blade or chisel perfectly squared and literally two secs to screw in brass knobs plus the roller wheels?? It’s wobbles like a drunk driver swerving all over the road while the Veritas maintains perfectly . I dunno maybe it’s your arms or the way you push n pull hone style is not on point with Veritas but practice helps I guess. I know mine is on point and the facts with how long it took, how it’s perfectly squared and right on the money with exact degree that I wanted every time. Plus def makes honing more fun 😁

@CafeenMan 6 лет назад

I disagree about the Veritas honing guide regarding it being "fiddly". It's actually very simple and quick to set up. I would agree with you if I was always using it for the first or second time when I was trying to figure it out but once I learned how to use it I can get it set up with the blade ready to sharpen in less than a minute (not counting all the time I spend looking for the various parts because I keep "reorganizing" and can't remember where I moved everything). Now it does have an actual flaw though. It can't do really short blades. And until a short while ago it didn't do narrow blades very well because not matter how much you tightened the blade it could shift. They now have a narrow blade adapter that works great. Not sure if they have a short blade adapter but I have to use a different guide for them or sharpen by hand.

@Ed-lz4jv 4 года назад

LV kit does much more than all the others and not too much $$$ either, He was really whining about fiddly crap LOL

@gregsnewyt 4 года назад

Started with the Veritas MK II. A hundred restored antique hand planes and chisels than came with butchered bevels later, I now sharpen with the same Veritas MK II. It’s that good, that simple, that accurate, that consistent, and that much of a good value. Buy it, learn to use it, sharpen beyond sharp with it, and get back to cutting wood like butter.

@sparkyheberling6115 Год назад

It's adjusting the two knobs that is fiddly. They need to be tightened 𝗲𝘅𝗮𝗰𝘁𝗹𝘆 the same amount, or the chisel won't be secure. My workaround was to remove the chisel and tighten the knobs all the way down, then put a permanent divot on each knob at the 12 o'clock position. It helps me keep track of the number of turns.two knobs are tightened 𝗲𝘅𝗮𝗰𝘁𝗹𝘆 the same amount.

@ionut5316 4 года назад

I bought the LN honing guide and I regret the decision. I discovered a flaw that was confirmed by the manufacturer. The standard jaws won't clamp the LN 1/4" bevel edge chisel as advertised, simple because the side bevels of the 1/4" and subsequently smaller chisels are steeper than the larger counterparts. The jaws clamps the chisel by the narrow face and since the chisel is tapered in thickness, the tip of the chisel moves freely in the jaws. Now I I have to order the chisel jaws as well, a total of 3 pair of jaws(chisel, standard, long). I took some photos, I can share them with anyone interested. I am returning the guide.

@Cygnusvailand 4 года назад

As an owner of the "budget" eclipse style honing guide I think the function it best serves is making me appreciate the need for a premium honing guide

@MattEstlea 4 года назад

😂😂

@mrklean0292 3 года назад

I couldn't agree more. 😂😂 I'm tired of messing around with mine and plan on getting the Veritas version next week.

@ionut5316 4 года назад

LN standard jaws are useless, they cannot clamp narrow chisels, short block plane irons or mortise chisels. you need to buy the long jaws and the mortise jaws. Veritas narrow clamp holds any chisel, shoulder plane irons, and router irons. Looking at the number of accessories, they are both fiddling :)

@mikeamescreations 6 лет назад

Love my Veritas. Worth every penny!!

@Hp2G1 6 лет назад

I have the Veritas MK.II one, and really like it's versatility. Plane blade, chisel, skew blade, short blade, it does them all. You make it sound complex, but I find it very easy and quick to use. Yes I was glad they introduced the side clamping option for very narrow chisels. Since I already had the Camber Roller, I asked Veritas to send me an additional brass knob (which they did for free) to mount the strait roller on it, and have now two dedicated guides for plane blade and chisel respectively. It is nice that Lie Nielsen has made the screw captive, because there are 4 of them and they are small. But comparing losing tiny screw with a big brass knob is unfair in my opinion. There is only one brass knob on the Veritas that you need to remove when you change the roller. The other two that clamp the blade are normally never completely removed. These are two very good (and expensive) guide, but as you point out , the Veritas is more versatile... and for us in Canada, almost half the price!

@chucksauter1204 4 года назад

With the skew sharpening, do you do that with the regular clamp? And do you have a problem with it moving?

@RoswellCrash 5 лет назад

You can pick up the Veritas for £49.99 it’s a no brainier fuck £100+ for the Lie-Nielsen Honing Guide the Veritas MK2 is a steal. They’re selling for under £50 on eBay brand new.

@j10948 3 месяца назад

I have the Veritas II honing system. It’s great quality, never had any of the “fiddly” come loose. Takes less than minute to set up honing guide to set angle.

@Gwynbuck 3 года назад

The Lie-Neilson is £141 in the UK. I can't afford that!

@SkylersRants 4 года назад

After making do with the cheap $12 model, I finally splurged and bought the Lie-Nielsen honing guide. What a HUGE difference! It is so much nicer to use. I really think it is worth the money, even though it seems so similar to the cheaper one, it's not.

@243WW 7 лет назад

At $239 for the (Lie-Nielsen) guide with short jaws and the long jaws at $59 I think that I will just buy a whole new set of chisels each time they go blunt. Got to love the prices they charge in Australia!

@TheLizardOfOz 6 лет назад

You could probably get it shipped from Britain for less than local pricing. I bought a Stanley plane from the UK (postage included) for half the price at Bunnings, which was the cheapest I could find in Oz.

@martinoamello3017 6 лет назад

Reminds me of harbor freight in the US. It's cheaper to buy entire machines from them than buying just the electric motor. I've bought entire machines just for the motors and scrapped the rest.. Strange how that works..A $50 sander to replace a $150 scroll saw motor..hmmm..

@johnhandcock3242 6 лет назад

LN stuff is way overpriced! There's no way in hell that they have more than $20 in these guides. Better quality, sure, but that's only true to an extent.

@inspectr1949 6 лет назад

Not to sure about that comment having been to LN facility in Warren Maine several times, Tom has fortune invested in equipment and personnel not to mention that he is affectionately known as the white shark there always striving for perfection and quality control.

@SuperCorsair 6 лет назад

I have the cheap guides off amazon and just got the LN guide and wow you really can tell why the LN guides are so much more expensive. You get what you pay for and if its $20 that all you going to get out of those cheap one.

@adampatterson 7 лет назад

The Veritas Deluxe set is around 150 CAD which is about on par with the Australian dollar for anyone who is wondering. It will also do straight and rounded blades.

@qqkk5581 5 лет назад

Do you have a video to build the protrusion stop?

@Sean-qk5mv 3 года назад

Really?

@geomiss8889 4 года назад

What I like about the Veritas mk2 is the wide roller, that notches for a micro bevel and the consistency it embraces for the minimum metal needed to remove. Metal removed to bring the blade/chisel back to sharpness is a big deal.

@terrorfirma2764 6 лет назад

Tbh both systems are extremely expensive and probably out of reach of quite a few hobby woodworkers. It is also hard to see why the Lie Nielsen is more than 10 X the price of the budget guide. Sometimes I really think tool companies fix prices according to their name.

@jc51373 5 лет назад

The biggest issue for boutique tool makers like Lie Nielsen riding this renaissance wave in hand tools is the barriers to entry. Most people will just impulse buy the hand plane they want to gawk at, and THEN realize they need to sharpen the thing to continue using it. Some may not and understand the importance of sharpening before buying the tool but most will not and then resent the tool and throw it aside. People need to know there is a minimum of $300 in sharpening expenses before you get into hand tools. For some, they will just stick to power tools because of it..LN should treat some of their sharpening equipment (e.g. honing guide) as loss leaders and just jack up the price of a hand tool to make up for it to grab as many new users as possible.

@1pcfred 5 лет назад

@@jc51373 you have to be new to pay what Lie-Nielsen charges for their tools.

@avrumisolaimani8546 4 года назад

when this vid released a bit of work and they the same in 2020 from taytools the budget one is perfect out of the package

@incognitotorpedo42 6 лет назад

I just sharpened all my chisels using the Veritas Mk II. I had no problem at all with the chisels skewing the the holder. Just my experience. It's complicated, but once you know how to use it it's very reproducible.

@lelandwight8362 6 лет назад

Similar story here. My chisels and planes have never been this sharp, I don’t know why I waited. Large roller is a plus for me.

@frankpace6767 6 лет назад

I've been using the Veritas guide for years now with all the accessories. All that "fiddling" never takes me more than a minute or so. Worth the satisfaction of knowing you got it right.

@tracphil 6 лет назад

Same here. No issues at all. If you can adjust a plane correctly the Veritas is pretty simple in comparison.

@tcr_tagger3738 6 лет назад

Glad to hear this! I actually enjoy sharpening chisels and irons so don't mind a little ahem...fiddling around...

@brandontheisen6568 5 лет назад

Me too, we must just understand the physics of turning a knob better than most.

@MrSteamDragon 2 года назад

Hi Matt, if you lose the screws out of the veritas then the problem is the user, not the tool 😉😄 Agreed it is a little fiddly to begin with but with frequent use it soon becomes second nature. The main advantage I found was i can put skewed blades in the Veritas (such as a millers falls 07). BTW, great channel.👍🏼🇦🇺

@snowwalker9999 4 года назад

I have two Veritas honing guide, one for the plane blades with camber roller and one for the chisels with straight roller.

@scottinharwood 7 лет назад

Have to admit, dulling tools is more fun. I use a worksharp for most of my sharpening; it sits on my bench ready for a refresh of the micro bevel and I am off. I also occasionally use the Veritas on a flat granite stone that accepts a full sheet of wet-dry sandpaper of grits from 400 through 4000 for plane blades. I on and off get hand-me-down chisels; yard sales, relatives, etc. I have to set aside a half day at a time typically just to flatten the backs, regrind the primary bevel to remove the chips and dings put there by folks who think chisels are hammers or screwdrivers (used them as pry bars, screw drivers and paint can openers.) I have had to make new handles for half of these. Great post!

@KarateCritic 6 лет назад

Great video Matt. Clear, concise and B.S. free! Keep up the good work.

@Blingem14 6 лет назад

Hardly B.S. free... he favors Lie-Nielsen even when Veritas has a better tool.

@jeepthangjim 5 лет назад

@@Blingem14 That's not BS. That's his opinion vs yours. In my opinion Veritas is not the better tool. I agree with Matt that there's WAY too much going on with that thing. There's no need to make a homing guide so complicated.

@czokalapik 7 лет назад

While I'm freehand person, I love the video, but you may consider explaining HOW to actually make your protrusion stop, it may be simple for some, but I saw numerous questions on forums on how to do it.

@smashy152 5 лет назад

basic trigonometry

@AssafOppenheimer 3 года назад

@mattestlea thanks for the video I do have a question though - will the Lie Nielsen handle veritas blades and chisels? or are they not compatible? what about the veritas skewed rabbet planes can they work with the Lie Nielsen with the skew guide?

@as-lr8mb 6 лет назад

Lie-Nielsen is pronounced LEE-NEELson...

@Tiny_Island_Designs 4 года назад

Yes, it says so on their website, but maybe it's just Matt's accent that he says it his way.

@HunGredy 4 года назад

@@Tiny_Island_Designs More probably because LIE is pronounced LIE in English. Nobody would pronounce it LEE at first glance because it isn't written as LEE.

@timmytexlonghorns2206 4 года назад

he's got an english accent i'm in tennessee and many people pronounce it LE nielsen

@deans67pala 3 года назад

@@timmytexlonghorns2206 French huh? 😂

@steverochon1620 7 лет назад

Love your videos Matt. But you missed the attachment Veritas makes that'll pour you a pint when it's attached to the standard guide. More often than not, it'll cut the sharpening session short. In response, LN is working on a prototype that pours scotch. Works fine if you take it neat, but they struggle if you want a few rocks in your sharpening...I mean scotch.

@MattEstlea 7 лет назад

Oh bugger, those are my favourite attachments! How the hell did I forget those?!

@jan-reiniervoute6701 7 лет назад

Steven Rochon, rocks in your scotch? Sacrrriledge.

@steverochon1620 7 лет назад

Not in my scotch Jan-Reinier Voute, that's just one of the LN approaches with which I would disagree.

@lukasmiglbauer915 5 лет назад

Which one?

@randygust3423 3 года назад

I recently purchased the veritas and was disappointed with two things. First when using the registration jig, the result was never a true 90 degree cutting edge to the side of the chisel. It was always off, resulting in a slightly crooked cutting edge. The machining in this needs to be more precise to get this dialed in better. Second disappointment is the design in how it makes the secondary bevel. The dial only moves one side of the roller and the other side doesn’t move, resulting in a crooked secondary bevel every single time. You would think a company would come up with a simple jig that produces straight bevels, it really is mind blowing to me that they intentionally made a product that will produce crooked secondary bevels. Terrible design.

@dworkin7110 8 месяцев назад

Well.. better 2yrs late than never! I'm having a very similar problem but after looking at this on my Mk2 at least the micro-bevel roller is eccentric along its whole length so turning the knob affects the whole roller. However, as I mentioned I'm having the same problem anyway.. In fact at the 12 oclock position it makes a really skewed grind, probably 2-3 degrees out, improved slightly by the secondary bezel at 6 o'clock. I've reached out to Veritas and Axminster for help.

@bradymiguel 3 года назад

Not sure what the background noise is, but I had to keep pausing it to check off my girls had woke up screaming from nap time. They hadn’t.

@perrymarshall8584 3 года назад

sounds like someone planning.

@peckelhaze6934 6 лет назад

I have the Veritas Honing Jig and wouldn't be without it. It takes me less than 30 seconds to insert blade and be ready to hone the blade.

@oscar38 3 года назад

🤔 not 30 mins ?

@Sean-qk5mv 3 года назад

@@oscar38 probably not. I've recently got a veritas and its dead easy to set up & use.

@bufordmobley2283 3 года назад

in your opinion which is better the Lie Nielsen or Bridge City Toolworks?

@briancarroll6803 2 года назад

Lie Nielsen. Bridge City used to be awesome but since moving their manufacturing over seas they just aren't the same

@Vanderloo5 3 года назад

Very helpful. Thank You. I just ordered the lie-nielsen

@hankcohen3419 7 лет назад

I have the Veritas Mark II *and a worn out Mark I". I find that clamping the top of the blade is a problem even for plane blades but certainly for all chisels. It's just unable to hold the blade from swiveling. Furthermore it is no good at all for Japanese plane blades or any chisel such as mortise chisels that are not parallel front to back.

@alasdairreed4370 3 года назад

Veritas is definitely the best . I've had one for over 15 years it does a great job no screwdriver or extra jig required but I do agree with the comment on the problem with the chisels . The only thing is you must keep the roller oiled the other day after a long time of not using it it I started honing , honed the roller and the blade together . Luckily the replacement roller was cheap ! I like your angle jig.

@jamescollier2370 2 года назад

I’ve done that, too. Twice. I bought two replacement rollers from Lee Valley last time to be ready with spare parts next time. I think they were about $15 each, but you have to add tax and shipping to that. Still cheaper than being shut down because you can’t sharpen.

@MarksElectricLife 3 месяца назад

I have both and the Lie-Nielsen is so much easier to set up and it just works. Veritas is too tricky by half. And even when you carefully set the blade against the registration stop it still manages to be not square to the stone. Argghhh! The Veritas makes a good (though expensive) paper weight in my shop.

@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531 Месяц назад

The Lei Nelson honing guide is just a "fancy" version of the cheaper ones everyone else makes. It dont do anything different other than the skewed blades. I have all 3 and i never use the Nelson. Not to mention the price is outrageous. AND you dont get everything with it. The Veritas is the bees knees imo.

@steveforrester2217 5 лет назад

Thanks for the video Matt. Very informative as always. If ever I win the lottery, I'll treat myself to a Veritas one, in the mean time, I'll have to stick to my old Eclipse one I've used for years. Wouldn't be without a guide because I have never mastered sharpening without one!

@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531 Месяц назад

In the time you get all that stuff together you could have set up the Veritas. So.. whats fiddly?

@frs8349 3 года назад

Matt, Right from the beginning of the video, I just knew you were about to recommend the LN...

@thomashanson6607 6 лет назад

Lye-Neelson, how quaint.

@enhypostasis 7 месяцев назад

You summed it up nicely: for a regular workshop workflow and the aesthetic feel of an intuitive craftsman using a well-machined stainless steel honing guide, it is the lie nielsen; for someone who doesn't sharpen as often, or needs to save money, or isn't as artisanal purist, then the Veritas zinc alloy and brass holds you in good stead. The Lie Nielsen toolshop video basically makes this case, demonstrating all the ways the tool already deals with the veritas problem-solving approach; it makes the case that it doesn't need to be integral, as it is an heirloom tool for craftsman with skills. If I had started 30 years ago, I would have gone for the Lie Nielsen. As a newbie hobbyist with not much of a workshop or workflow or time to practice proficiency, I went for the Veritas. But I prefer the look and concept of the Lie Nielsen, for sure.

@trueno8663 4 года назад

I keep thinking it says Leslie Nielsen.

@undertwotimes 4 года назад

If you file the cheap honing guide so it clamps better it will work just fine.

@brunmedia 6 лет назад

Sorry if you've already answered this, but how did you go about making the stop board and calculating the exact distances for the stop blocks?

@MattEstlea 6 лет назад

Here you go :) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-I417VVog0Bc.html

@terencebrown1754 2 года назад

I bought a veritas honing guide from you guys in 2007. What a brilliant piece of kit it is and still is giving me good service. I would recommend it to any joiner. I bought an Ezelap diamond stone, the pair are unbeatable. I always finish my plane blades and chisels off with a leather stop. 😎

@billyblackie9417 3 месяца назад

Very interesting Matt, can you show how to make the jug showing the angles written on it please? I'm in my 60s and having a problem fixing my blade into my honing guide and check if the blade if fitted for the proper angle. Thanks

@gedog77 3 года назад

Oh... I bought the Rider eclipse guide. My chisels are sharp but not square, my bullnose plane had to go back cos it wasn't square enough to cut. The only blade that has survived that guide is my Veritas low angle jack. I have the Veritas on order - I don't mind the fiddle, I do mind getting a shiny bevel that's not close to square and then nothing works... I'm very able to screw up my dovetails without added help :-)

@josiahutah3712 Год назад

Helpful?! Yes! Thank you! Do you know much about the woodpecker‘s version? And how it compares?

@tonyalways7174 2 года назад

I bought the Veritas (before I saw this video). It looks great, feels great, performs rubbish because of the flaws shown in this video. Total junk and a waste of money IMO.

@matthiasbecker-ql6pb 5 месяцев назад

Both are great helpers , the LN is nicer build and faster in handling, stronger fixation easily done. The V has integrated "angle tool" more screws , blade fixation is not as smart efforts more accuracy

@ARMYStrongHOOAH17 2 года назад

That budget piece of shit is fucking trash! Like you said, it won't hold my chisel square and it's so far off it's just useless, like not even close. Seems to have worked well for my planer blade, but still, I use my chisels more often than my hand planer so that doesn't do me much good

@yannisvaroufakis9395 2 года назад

Lie Nielsen specifically state that their guide is designed only for sharpening Lie Nielsen blades and chisels. I have a couple of Ray Iles mortise chisels and some Hock blades for Stanley planes in addition to my Lie Nielsen plane blades. Will the Lie Nielsen guide work with those? I'd hate to spend so much money on something that I couldn't use.

@charleswatson5313 Год назад

Vérités versus Lie Nielsen. I’ve owned both but gave the Veritas one to my son in law. It was too fiddly to set up if i failed to tighten down the bar correctly the blade would shift.

@fredpierce6097 2 года назад

Just buy them all and use whichever one floats your boat for a particular application. Don’t tell me you can’t afford it. If not, you’re not gonna be able to buy a bandsaw or a lot of other stuff you will eventually want. Take up walking the neighbors dog for free!

@fogsmart 7 месяцев назад

Well for those that don’t like fiddly, free hand is about as simple as it gets…and if I am going to buy and use a honing guide I want a wider rolling wheel especially on narrow chisels.

@MattEstlea 7 лет назад

If you need a refresher on the points made in this video, be sure to visit my blog for a summary of everything I said. www.mattestlea.com/single-post/2017/09/10/Lie-Nielsen-Honing-Guide-vs-Veritas-MKII-Honing-Guide

@sparkyheberling6115 Год назад

Lie-Nielsen cautions that their honing guide is designed to fit their own chisels, and may not fit other brands. What is it about the Lie-Nielsen chisels and honing guide that is incompatible with other brands?

@camoujeep 4 года назад

One other pain with the Veritas is that after tightening the heck out of the gnurled brass knobs, ive had to often use pliers to loosen them

@farikomike524 4 года назад

I have the same issue :-( Do you have the issue with the secondary bevel being ground on a slight angle?

@V081WLBlue 6 лет назад

Jesus, people will spend money on any ole shite!!! £10 to £110 to £How fekking much!!!!!

@mikegamache1943 4 месяца назад

Did lie-neilson sponsor this video? Doesn't feel like an honest review! Too fiddly, ya right!

@puckluck2357 2 года назад

Perhaps a bit outdated. Veritas now has a honing guide for chisels that solves the issue of chisels moving in the jaws of the plane blade sharpening honing guide.

@barstad-9591 6 лет назад

Your Tool Duel series is awesome. And I like the name, too.

@gregsharp8601 5 лет назад

A VERY fair and thorough discussion. Thank you for taking the time to make this video. Based on your review I purchased the honing guide that best fits *my* needs. God bless!

@lokisullivan469 5 лет назад

Question, how about reviewing the Kell honing guide??? I have not found anyone that compares the Kell to the Veritas and/or Lie Neilson.

@pterafirma 5 лет назад

I came here to ask the same question!

@lemagreengreen 7 лет назад

I found an original eclipse for £5 in a salvage yard, still works great.

@BinManSays87 3 года назад

I always used to live sharpening tools up in college and we learnt freehand with them skinny ass Stanley irons

@GeorgeLowrey 7 лет назад

Very thorough review. Thanks!

@MattEstlea 7 лет назад

Cheers George!

@jameslouder 6 месяцев назад

One thing this comparison neglects is how much these things cost. Ordering them from their manufacturers they shake down like this (dollar amounts are USD; GBP amounts are approximate): *Lie-Nielson*: Basic guide - $150 (£153) + Long jaws $45 (£35) = *Total $195 (£188)* There are 6 more sets of jaws available, for skew chisels (18° & 30°, L & R), mortise-chisels and narrow chisels, at $45 each. The complete setup comes to *$465 (£398)* . *Veritas* (Lee Valley Tools, USA): Basic guide: $79 (£62); Delux version: includes camber roller and narrow clamping head: *$149 (£117)* . Veritas also offers a skew register for $37.50 (£30). The complete setup tops out at *$186.50 (£147)* . So, Veritas may be a bit fiddly--*is* a bit fiddly, and I know because I have the set! But when it comes to value for money, Veritas wins hands-down. Lie-Nielsen cautions us not to use their honing guide on diamond sharpening stones. I imagine this is to prevent wear to the roller, which might eventually become out of round, or out of square--or both. Veritas doesn't make this recommendation. One might think the brass roller would be even more susceptible to wear. But on the other hand, it's much wider and so less likely to rock and become skewed.

@matthiasbecker-ql6pb 5 месяцев назад

I first in line use diamond stones for planing the water stones.

@kitwalker303 Год назад

Where did you get the screwdriver that you use to adjust the honing guides? I think it’s cool

@waynebrown107 6 лет назад

I own the Veritas and love it. Excellent video but can you add an additional video on what the dimensions are or instructions on how to calculate them for the protrusion stop tool. Thanks and keep up the excellent tutorials.

@daveyJ213 3 года назад

Man, I am done with my Veritas guide. My chisel edge is always skewed, even enough to be seen with the naked eye. It's a sharp edge but definitely skewed. I I tried skewing the chisel into the correct position by putting strips of painter's tape on the high-side of the back of the chisel. I even tried using the same shim technique on the inside surface of the clamping jaws. It did not work. In order to get the chisel to stay put, excess force must be applied with a pair of pliers onto the knurled knob. No matter what the chisel stills is able to move. I think it's just a bad design. The main bevel side of my chisel (mortis) looks like multi-faceted diamond, and the edge is still skewed, sharp but skewed. Looks like I will be seeking out a better system. You would think Veritas would address this problem. Thanks for posting; good information.

@JohanLarssonKiruna 3 года назад

I'd probably buy the Lie-Nielsen one if it just could take a 6 mm (1/4 inch) chisel with the standard jaws, which it apparently can't(?). I mostly sharpen a 12 mm and a 6 mm chisel, aside from plane blades, and Lie-Nielsen states that the standard jaws are only suitable for 5/16" to 1" chisels (8 mm-25 mm), while the chisel jaws are used for 1/8"-1/4" (3 mm-6 mm). It would drive me nuts having to switch jaws most every time in between sharpening my most commonly used tools. I guess you can use some shims or something, but this limitation is really annoying. Why didn't they combine the Eclipse design with a fixed groove for narrow straight chisels plus their replaceable jaws? edit: don't miss ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-QBHd7x6ySSQ.html for a modification of a cheap wobbly eclipse-style honing guide to make it work better without tilting the blade. I just don't get why he doesn't file/grind/mill away the whole inner area a millimeter or two, just leaving a narrow edge support to make the guide only clamp the edges. Seems to me that would be a better way to do it in every way.

@FrissOderLassEs 5 лет назад

The "disadvantage" of having soooo many knobs to turn on the Veritas guide is nonsense or a faulty opinion at best. Yes, more knobs to turn than on the other two guides. But two of the knobs usually stay fixed for most people, most of the time (the ones determining the angle), one knob is the price of having a better clamping mechanism (for plane-irons) and the last one (excenter on the weel) is an advantage over your prefered way with the protrusion stop, where you have to loosen your knob first, reconfigure, fasten the knob again, instead of just turning 180 degrees. Also loosing the screws is the price you pay for being stupid. There's absolutely no reason to remove most of the screws or loosen them so much that they might come off. Yes, the Lie Nielson is better there, but it does not fix a problem, it just helps make stupid peoples lifes simpler. Not to mention, that you compare an (supposedly) allround-guide with a specialized guide.

@АлександрСтепанов-ч2ю 10 месяцев назад

Mett твоя доска в пять раз более громоздкая, чем красивый прямоугольник( шаблон ) Veritas, плюс то что после таких( быстрых) втыков лезвия в дерево, там образуется щель , а значит и перекос при заточке.Так что быстро, только кошки родятся))

@brianm.9451 7 лет назад

I have the Mk II and despite its fiddliness, it's accurate and it works well. I use it when I'm sharpening Hugh angle blades. Otherwise, I prefer freehand.

@MattEstlea 7 лет назад

Can't deny its accuracy when using a suitable attachment!

@keirfarnum6811 4 года назад

Tool Duel?! I was expecting a Battle Royale between Donald Trump and Boris Johnson. Oh well, can’t have everything. 😉

@wudangmtn Год назад

Two of the biggest tools on the planet!😂

@AlexDiesTrying 11 месяцев назад

This makes me feel like I'd rather have a lathe and a mill than any of these jigs ( :

@BitsOfEternity 9 месяцев назад

Is there any reason you couldn't use a protrusion stop with the veritas setup?

@paddyo242 5 лет назад

I have all the guides you tested and the lie neilson wins hands down.

@armellecacquevel1125 Год назад

premierement je ne peux le traduire en français ; il ne semble expliquer l'affutage des ciseaux à bois et non celui des gouges ...ce que je recherche

@fussa6013 4 месяца назад

great content and appreciate you doing such a thorough job.

@erichermann7553 2 года назад

How do I make this angel guide with those different angels made of wood

@Fottoamatore Год назад

An ecliplse guide can be fettled using a triangle file and a marker.

@DanielCShomo-wo5zh 2 года назад

Does anybody know where to get that tool to tighten the screw on the guide?

@DRusso-sy4vj 7 лет назад

Greetings from Florida, USA! Brilliant video Matt... this was incredibly timely as I have recently narrowed my purchasing decision to these very two honing guides! Keep up the great work! Incidentally, I thoroughly enjoyed watching your creation of "Bertha" videos...very well done! Thanks and best wishes on your channel.

@MattEstlea 7 лет назад

Why hello there! Glad you found it useful and hopefully gave you a clearer choice of which one to go for. Both great honing guides, just need to work out which one suits your workflow better. Thank you!

@andyvan5692 Год назад

if you are doing all that, and not just one blade type, it would be easier to get a Tormek wet stone grinder, then you can do axe, adz, kitchen knives, cleavers, all with two guides, on the one machine, plus with water, no chance of overheating the steel,as compared to a bench grinder.

@ironchefboyardeee 2 дня назад

but it's 5-10x the cost and takes up room so not necessarily "easier"

@lakeman59 Год назад

I use the Veritas it is no way that finicky and works just fine.

@donaldcallahan450 7 лет назад

yes explain how to make your protrusion stop since i strugle with shaping myself as a new woodworker thanks and i enjoy your videos thanks

@Swarm509 5 лет назад

Old comment but they are just a length that gives you an angle once clamped down, so it will vary with whatever kind of holder you have. You can use trigomarty to figure out what length you need (height being from the underside of roller to top of blade) but I usually just use an angle finder and adjust the blade in and out till I hit what I need and write that down.

@Violaodabossa 6 лет назад

Hi Matt, where can I buy this beautiful handle, to tighten the knurled nuts? Best wishes from germany >Lutz

@indigo_wolf3574 4 года назад

It's a Veritas plane screwdriver, so any place that stocks their product line should have it or be able to order it. However, it requires a slot on the top of the knurled nuts, which the Veritas nuts don't have. www.classichandtools.com/acatalog/Veritas-Plane-Screwdriver-50K3901.html

@Violaodabossa 4 года назад

Danke lieber Dario! Liebe Grüße und bleibe gesund >Lutz

@pund_it1811 3 года назад

At 7:00 I realized I wasn't imagining the sirens, and at 8:10 I realized they were saws 🙄

@lafamillecarrington Год назад

I'm in the middle of converting my garden trowels to proper, sharp chisels. I wish I'd bought my honing guide years ago! One thing you didn't mention, was that you can buy guides with two wheels to prevent rocking - what do you think of them?

@johnjude2685 Год назад

You are very helpful. I'd just got my first guide and that cheap one for under $10, and I'm building my own wood carving gouges so the upgrade model would do perfectly, but doubt if I'll spend the $$$$ You show what is available. That's what I want you to show Great video, Sir. Thanks 😊

@bigpop-popsmurf 4 года назад

Matt, you use a short wooden handle screw driver. Looks like it has a knob handle on it that will tighten regular screws for tools. Where can I find one? Can you send me a link please? You use it on this video and in past ones just caught my eye again and I can not find it anywhere. Oh yeah, based on this video I just made the purchase of the " Lie-Nielsen Honing Guide" it really looks like it will work best without going completely bonkers with all the adjustments of others. Thanks mate and have a great day. Hope you will find this and get me the link for that wooden handled tool. Cheers...

@pgfollett 7 лет назад

Really good, clear, concise review. Thank you for not making it complicated! FWW has a good little video for "tuning up" the el cheapo guide to make it a bit more accurate; worth the watch.

@pgfollett 7 лет назад

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-QBHd7x6ySSQ.html

@MattEstlea 7 лет назад

Brilliant, that's great to hear! Yes I saw something similar from Deneb Puchalski of Lie-Nielsen before they released their own version. It's how I got away with using that cheap honing guide for 4 years before upgrading it! Cheers mate

@jamescollier2370 2 года назад

I have the Veritas Mark II. It’s taken a long slow learning curve, but I’ve sort of mastered it. What helped was keeping a very small square to hand to make sure the tool is square in the jig before honing. Also, I had to recondition my brain to “not push down hard”. The other issue I have is forgetting to check which way the roller cam is set, resulting in starting a new bevel angle. Not so bad if you are honing to a steeper angle; but if you inadvertently back off the angle and start a shallower hone, you’ve faceted your iron without sharpening the cutting edge until the entire bevel is lapped. That’s why I always use lapping fluid (a blue wide-tip Sharpie) to check where the bevel is contacting the stone. Just accept that sharpening is boring and take short cuts, i.e., micro-bevels, Charlesworth’s ruler trick, anything to keep your honing just near the cutting edge because removing a full bevel takes away all enjoyment.

@quikcyber 3 года назад

i have got these nice HIKOZA Oire Nom Japanese chisels and they dont fit in both of the veritas and lie nielsn guide ! i regret buying these chisels now despite their quality but as they have this fat section on the beginning of the blade, it comes always somehow in the way. I also find that Veritas screw to tight the chisel is poorly conceived making the chisel constantly getting out of its position... I'm good to learn it the Rob Cosman way or change chisels

@dougdaley83 3 месяца назад

Matt your reviews always provide great insight into why different options might suit certain scenarios rather than just biasing your reviews on your own workflow. It’s been absolutely fantastic as a new hand tool woodworker over the last year collecting my toolbox.

@RSSS8472 7 лет назад

How do you make the petrussion stop?

@robertnicholson7733 2 года назад

I have used the Eclipse (made by Eclipse) guide for a very long time. I modified it with a file fairly early on so that it took all my chisels and plane blades (the HSS blade for the corrugated, wide sole, No7 Stanley only just fits). Once I have marked the required blade outline with a marker (for a jointer, straight and square), I can shape the blade exactly as I want it without problem. I have tried the Veritas and can't say the outcome was any better or faster, speed wise, indeed, quite the opposite. After using the Eclipse for so long, it is second nature, perhaps my problems with the Veritas were that I have become so used to the simplicity of the Eclipse. I have bought a couple of cheap Chinese copies of the Eclipse guide (when I couldn't find the Eclipse, amazing how it moves around of its own volition), one of which was stainless steel and quite well made, probably better than the original Eclipse. I was surprised that Matt just discarded the Eclipse style out of hand, despite the solution to the problem he cited requiring no more than a few minutes with a mill saw file.

@Norm7264 7 лет назад

Love your vids, Matt, but I have to correct you on the pronunciation of Lie-Nielsen. The first word is pronounced like "LEE". It's counter-intuitive, I know, but if you don't believe me, watch Thomas Lie-Nielsen here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-F72FBPfrgDE.html and see how he pronounces his name!