Life on Mars? (Robert Zubrin)

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The Michael Shermer Show # 422
When Robert Zubrin published his classic book The Case for Mars a quarter century ago, setting foot on the Red Planet seemed a fantasy. Today, manned exploration is certain, and as Zubrin affirms in The New World on Mars, so too is colonization. From the astronautical engineer venerated by NASA and today’s space entrepreneurs, here is what we will achieve on Mars and how.
Shermer and Zubrin discuss: why not start with the moon? • what it is like on Mars • whether Mars was ever like Earth • how much it will cost to go to Mars • how to get people to Mars • resources on Mars • colonization of Mars • public vs. private enterprise for space exploration • economics, politics, and government on Mars • lessons from the Red Planet for the Blue Planet • liberty in space.
Robert Zubrin is former president of Pioneer Astronautics, which performs advanced space research for NASA, the US Air Force, the US Department of Energy, and private companies. He is the founder and president of the Mars Society, leading the Society’s successful effort to build the first simulated human Mars exploration base in the Canadian Arctic.
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@jetpromys Месяц назад

Think of all the people who were inspired to do great things by the Apollo program, people who went on to become scientists, inventors, discoverers of medical miracles, people who invented technologies to address the climate crisis, etc. By sending humans to Mars, you show that great things are possible, that there's a vision for the future. Life is to be lived, the universe is to be explored. Thank you Robert for your vision, and thank you Michael for bringing someone on with a positive vision for the future.

@75YBA 5 дней назад

Dust, lack of adequate gravity, and lack of sunlight says otherwise. You first, tough guy. 😂💀

@jetpromys 5 дней назад

@@75YBA I admit, I would not want to go there personally, but there are plenty of people who do. But I will have fun watching the videos of the new explorers from the comfort of someplace like Bali. 😄

@udhdbdjxisskka Месяц назад

Dr. Robert Zubrin is one of the smartest people I know. It's a pleasure to listen him talk.

@The_Isaiahnator Месяц назад

I've been listening to Dr. Zubrin's spiel for years and never get tired of it. I'm just glad he's spreading the word as much as possible.

@IblameBlame Месяц назад

Isn't anybody skeptical about the claim that 1 Starship can transport 200 people, their air, their water, their food and their sanity (i.e. not being stacked like sardines) in a 6 month trip to Mars?

@nnnnick4444 Месяц назад

exactly

@sluggo3slug Месяц назад

So If it’s 100 instead, would you be less sceptical?

@IblameBlame Месяц назад

@@sluggo3slug less sceptical, but still very sceptical.

@qadirtimerghazin 13 дней назад

Nobody says 200 people, 100 max, but likely less. It also depends if ultimately they going to use artificial gravity (by hooking two Starships together by a tether and rotating them) or not. If there’s no gravity, there’s more available space on the ship for people.

@Jogeta5 13 дней назад

It's not one ship being launched, it's a fleet of multiple every window. SpaceX is mass-producing the Starship platform.

@bryandraughn9830 Месяц назад

I'm sorry you had to endure this interview Michael. You're a trooper.

@USMarine75 Месяц назад

You must be the only other person that hated this interview as much as I did lol. I was struggling to stay engaged. He kept just rambling on and on… Smart guy, interesting topic, but not well presented. Maybe it’s best told in book format lol.

@TheMoneypresident 23 дня назад

There is a video where he is on a panel and just looses his sh*t. Rest of panel laughs at him.

@ChefScottSUP Месяц назад

It's fascinating to ponder the future of space exploration with Zubrin's insights. Exploring Mars holds incredible potential for humanity's progress and understanding. Sending humans to Mars is an inspiration akin to the Apollo program, sparking innovation and a vision for the future. Thank you, Robert, for your vision, and Michael for sharing it.

@gmotionedc5412 Месяц назад

Love it 🎉😊

@cinhh 27 дней назад

8:17 Mr Zubrin "disagrees a lot with Mr Musk's politics". Aha. Comments about W. von Braun. No. I'm not insinuating anything. Just pointing out what a Pandora's Box it is, to preemptive wave the white flag of politics; when nobody asked about it... I might add, that I disagree (a lot) with Mr Zubrin's: politics, fashion sense, diet, the way he arranges his books, and his haircut. Besides that, I really enjoy listening to Robert talking about our journey into a future in space. Thx for coming to my TED talk.

@seriouskaraoke879 Месяц назад

Wooo Whooo! First time ever being a first commenter. Major milestone completed.

@CosmosJack Месяц назад

Argh curse you!!

@marvinbone1379 Месяц назад

????

@houndofzoltan Месяц назад

There's zero chance that a small colony, or even a big colony on Mars is gonna crack fusion before it's done on earth: they may adopt it and use it in different ways, as the early Americans did with the steam engine, but they're not going develop it; they'll be working hard enough just staying alive out there.

@NunoPereira. Месяц назад

The absence of a planetary magnetic shield to protect from the cosmic radiation is a major hurdle. Very dangerous to be on the surface for a long time. Most of the time indoors or underground.

@GalenMatson Месяц назад

It's solvable. Some of the super greenhouse gases, like CFCs, are excellent radiation absorbers as well. A magnetosail stationed at Mars L1 can deflect the solar wind around the planet. Though it would require futuristic power levels, it is not impossible. Regardless, just thickening the atmosphere will mitigate most of the cosmic radiation, just like on Earth.

@NunoPereira. Месяц назад

Great. Nevertheless in the first decades/centuries to live there will be very hard; until the planetary engineering could thicken the atmosphere.

@dannydetonator Месяц назад

@GalenMatson True, at least partly. And if you can stay underground, you could theoretically stay a lifetime without additional technology and getting radiation sickness. However local radiation (a, b and ý) deflectors already exist, they're just too heavy and power-consuming, or uni-polar and meant for relativistic travel speeds. To stop energetic cosmic rays you need MW range of power, but there are exceptions and on surface of Mars it's theoretically possible to locally avoid 50-70% of radiation on surface. Just getting it all there will cost so much more than the crazy $2M round trip costs quoted here. But if there is a will, there is a way.

@Jogeta5 13 дней назад

There were those satellite concepts which could generate a magnetic field from Lagrange points that would protect the planet.

@75YBA 5 дней назад

😂😂😂😂😂💀💀💀💀💀

@BitcoinMeister Месяц назад

Freedom always wins and creates. We are a country of builders! Non-zero sum, never forget that people! Keep dreaming and aim high! To Mars and Beyond!

@fritzbang4805 Месяц назад

With no magnetic field any atmosphere created will get blows away by solar winds as the original atmosphere was.

@bryandraughn9830 Месяц назад

Venus has almost no magnetic field. Lots of atmosphere. I don't think anyone is going to mars though.

@dhickey5919 25 дней назад

Dr Z highlights big concerns with a Mars base - energy and food. The initial base concept is done. The rocket concept is in testing. Is anyone looking at food and power?

@science212 Месяц назад

Zubrin is not for ecologism. In this point, he's right.

@halnineooo136 24 дня назад

The asteroid belt robotic mining is a far more exiting use of Starship than a flag planting at the bottom of the martian gravity well.

@albionicamerican8806 Месяц назад

Our species' median IQ falls into the 80's, and IQ apparently been declining since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution for the reasons Edward Dutton discusses on his RU-vid channel. When you have billions of people on this planet who are probably too dumb even for jobs in stoop labor, you simply don't have enough smart kids in the works who could build a technologically competent global civilization, like the imaginary ones in science fiction, which could tackle challenges like colonizing Mars.

@nnnnick4444 Месяц назад

They spend so much time talking about possibilities of government and societal structures on Mars and don't address the OBVIOUS problems of bone loss, vision impairment, long-term radiation exposure, cabin fever, etc. etc. This interview was a complete waste of time from a scientific standpoint.

@cahivx Месяц назад

Read his books, then comment.

@75YBA 5 дней назад

@@cahivx You gonna send them for free. Mars =💀

@luism5514 3 дня назад

Zubrin addresses this in the Case for Mars.

@RememberingWW2 Месяц назад

How do you repopulate on Mars when the human body has evolved over billions of years with three times the amount of gravity that we would experience on Mars? How would that affect embryonic development? Is it even possible to grow a fetus on Mars?

@evo1ov3 Месяц назад

@edcatt9196 Месяц назад

I was once an enthusiastic supporter of such ideas as colonizing the Moon and Mars, etc. Until I had a better grasp of the history of the human species. Then I realized: No. If we cannot conduct ourselves here, on Earth, much better, then how will we suddenly, miraculously, by going to Mars, be different (and better) than we are? Our technology is advancing with amazing rapidity, but WE are not. Snuff ourselves out here and leave the other planets alone. Like a poster I remember seeing once said: EARTH FIRST! We'll screw up the other planets later. That sure seems to be the trajectory humans have, and are going on.

@dannydetonator Месяц назад

Completely agree. We shouldn't colonise, much less pollute other planets. However, we should, resources allowing explore them. Even exploit, ex.g. asteroids, if it doesn't just benefit further inequality on Earth. If it benefits at least a sizeable part of humanity (all new technology coming from space exploration eventually does - if used right), or at least doesn't harm it, we should not stop exploring outside Earth horizons. But a colony on Mars, don't worry. Not happening in our lifetime, Musk is neither that rich (neither is NASA, China;or Russia), nor smart. Only if we stop the global hybrid-war and fully cooperate in everything, this idea has a shot. Yeah, right..

@nnnnick4444 Месяц назад

you speak many truths sir

@omarw3314 Месяц назад

A glimpse into the mind of a loser.

@sulljoh1 Месяц назад

Zubrin needs to fix his hair already

@science212 Месяц назад

Read Robert L. Park Only space probes are possible on Mars.

@75YBA 5 дней назад

😂🚀💀👍

@daviddean707 Месяц назад

Ironically, it's sad to hear Americans getting to grips with their founding mythology.

@science212 Месяц назад

Musk and Zubrin. Bad friendship.

@sluggo3slug Месяц назад

The FIRST thing you have to have in place is a money that CANNOT be inflated. Bitcoin for Mars. The ability for a government to make money through the magic intervention from a central bank is THE most central cause for an ever expanding government body. So again: Something like bitcoin for Mars is a must.

@williamwhitten7820 Месяц назад

*So called 'Petroleum" is a renewable resource. Fossils From Animals And Plants Are Not Necessary For Crude Oil And Natural Gas, Swedish Researchers Find....Look it up.*

@dannydetonator Месяц назад

Did you mean abiogenesis hypothese or biofuels? The former is not exactly Swedish idea, that started from 16th century and hasn't been proved since. Soviet scientists tried and failed, Swedish Royal institute also only speculated. Current hydrocarbons certainly have biological origins, even if mantle-based ones are not excluded. We just don't have any evidence they exist in significant amounts.

@williamwhitten7820 Месяц назад

@@dannydetonator *I tried to give the link to the article but Ewwtooob deleted it.*

@williamwhitten7820 Месяц назад

@@dannydetonator *Researchers at the Royal Institute of Technology (KTH) in Stockholm have proven that fossils from plants and animals are not necessary for the generation of natural gas and crude oil. This discovery is considered revolutionary.* *Look it up*