at 10:30 you spoke about something that seems applicable to the choices you have made about this channel...... why does this channel matter? are you adding valuable energy to humanity or are these click baiter yaps perpetuating the fear machine. It used to be really good, now it is a draining spiritually harmful negative slush pump frickin fear mongering click baiting monkey train, a Spiderman meme in a house of mirrors. I used to actually believe you wanted to help people now its just another one of those....disappointed in the changes sir
48:53 "The only hope we have, and this is ultra dystopian, is that people just try to remain distracted by entertainment and don't care that their lives aren't getting better." Tom that's already the world we live in. The vast majority of people live that way right now.
OK, I'm fine with some people that just NEED to have challenging work or 'purpose', but I myself never felt the need to chase these goals or fulfilments. I have many hobbies and interests like reading books, watching movies, playing video games etc. and if I never had to work again a day in my life from tomorrow I would still have VERY fulfilled life and still lack at least a few hours a day for doing everything I'd like to do that day...
I think it is so sad that so many people are buying the absolute snake oil that the AI revolution is going to deliver to the masses a life of abundance free of work. It is just mind numbing Utopian nonsense.
Agreed. 168 hrs per week, about 70hrs per week for sleep/body maintenance, about 50hrs per week for work(including some travel time) leaves about 50 hrs per week for leisure. Plus annual leave. I mostly enjoyed work, but I lived for my outside interests - and I had plenty of time for them even working full time. Retired at 50 - 20 years ago - living the dream.
I do it hasn`t .. no revolt has ever succeeded in History unless the Army and Police either themselves revolt or at minimum step aside France 1789 the King does not call the army in Russia 1917 the army in St Petersburg itself revolt's, which is why Hitlers Beer Hall Putsch 1934 fails the police / army suppress his attempt .. so far the state has only used the lightest touch of police armed with sticks and plastic shields, you really push and firearms will start being used and many people will die, its not good but we are a long way from any `end`
There is more to life than business and goal achievement, Tom. Believe it or not. Many things can bring people meaning and joy. Try growing a garden, reading a book, walking at sunset, cooking a great meal with friends and family, or just singing a song? Your worldview is so hyper-goal-oriented. It's made you very successful and kudos, no doubt, but what are you missing? As regards AI - narrow AI could be great for human civilization as regards relieving the burden of labor but AGI or ASI is not recommended. Too many unknowns.
And the only reason you can afford such a simple mindset is because there were a lot of driven people like Tom who build the world you are living in. If everyone would think like yourself, nobody could afford these luxuries. Its fine to have these priorities but be sure to remember that the ONLY reason you can afford to have them is because many other hard working people laid the groundwork.
I’d have to agree. So much effort in our society (education, Calvinist work ethic teaching, parental and societal expectations) goes to turning children into productive workers. One could imagine a future where different goals are instilled. Perhaps the goal of making others happy through your efforts instead of bread-winning money competition.
@@maggo9494 the people you talk about are nothing like tom they are people who are drowning in debt or coming from rly poor background having to work all day every day those are the people that maintain your society and "nice things" you afford
Yes Tom is hyperfocused on the things that have destroyed this world and the future of humanity. Kudos to him and for helping other people to be misfocused and working to destroy the world.
Tom can't comprehend that there are humans who have lived fulfilling lives outside of the hustle entrepreneur culture. Especially for those living in countries that have a sane society with healthcare available to most citizens, affordable housing, etc. Yes such places have existed, and still exist on this Earth. But the libertarian and neoliberal austerity pushers are determined to turn those countries into something that resembles what has become historic inequality in the US where the 1% wrings every last drop of money from everyone else, no matter how much misery it causes the masses.
Wow you nailed a deep idea that I agree with to an extent. However, unless you are simply taking potshots at the competitive male culture, let's not forget that in cases and places where the fulfilled humans live, they DO depend on some level of interaction with society, and can't just be the elves in Tolkien leaving middle earth...dare I say also that this might be why Tolkien wrote the elves (or at least Peter Jackson interpreted) as having that inner social conflict regarding their allegiance to the corrupt world of men. Although I look up to the competitive world of men who derive their purposes from taking a wife and pushing their DNA into the next generation based on competing on any level society will tell them is the requirement for measuring up, I personally am interested in competing only with myself, and for this reason, I will have no problem finding purpose in a post jobs world, assuming I survive the unstable times to get there. Importantly, I'm not against the male competition, as I am concerned that without them the human species goes too soft in the long run. I can only hope that prepping culture will provide the barter systems and other localized systems that will enable the competitive males to continue to find purpose and meaning as we move further into the abyss we find ourselves sinking in now. Imo, a great hope of mine is that the military of the medium far future can enable society to re-coalesce around learning purpose through discipline that focuses on personal improvement no matter how good we are relative to the giga-masses of future human societies. That the military isn't fundamentally tied to being focused on growth based profit systems, gives me particular hope, much as in how Starfleet works in Star Trek. In sum, I sometimes wonder if Roddenberry didn't get some ideas from advanced aliens that may be treating us with their own prime directive currently.
I see that my first reply muddies the exception I took to your core criticism, which seems to be aimed at the 1 percenters. I do agree that certain systems they've put in place have been like funnels, and those funnels have drastically narrowed in recent decades. However, as Nate Hagins(sp?) channel points out about his "great simplification" our problems are not going to go away simply by revolting against the 1%. He is right that although Elon says and thinks a lot of great things, the idea that the earth can support 80 billion people is not one of them. I understand that Elon is in part trying to overcorrect for the current population collapse situation...yes people should have kids...imo people will have kids again when society enables them not to be liabilities, or else we devolve into a dog eat dog world, probably due to Nate's "Mordor economy" concept. Hopefully this clarifies my difference relative to your position.
Interesting that you lump libertarians with neoliberal and the 1%? You do realize that those are one and the same in the context that I assume your using here right? What do you believe libertarians are about?
That thumbnail and title are so inspirational and not click baity at all. I feel so uplifted right now. Next I am going to watch a video about Panamanian foot fungus to really start the day right.
00:46 🛡 The Future of AI & Society 03:42 📚 Defining Utopia 05:49 🤔 The Value of Human Life in a Solved World 09:33 🤖 The Pursuit of Happiness & Purpose 11:02 🛡 The Importance of Purposeful Striving 14:42 💼 The Impact of Utopia on Human Nature 19:05 🤖 The Potential of AI in the Next 3-5 Years 20:46 🛡 The Probabilistic View of AI's Future 23:03 ⚠ The Singularity & Intelligence Explosion 28:08 🤖 Adapting to the Future of AI 31:16 🛡 The Uncertainty of the Future & the Need for Short-Term Strategies 33:04 📊 The Potential for a Post-Human Future 36:43 🚀 Trajectories & the Future of AI Development 41:44 🌪 The Bifurcation of Humanity & the Rise of AI 43:11 🚀 The Impact of AI on Society & the Potential for Polarization 46:26 🚀 The Impact of AI on Society & Humanity 51:03 🤖 The Potential for Dystopia & Utopia 53:25 📚 The Impact of AI on Culture & Society 56:09 🚀 Automation & Job Displacement 1:00:02 🚀 Economic Growth & Utopia 1:00:21 🚀 Medical Breakthroughs & Human Upgrades 1:04:07 🚀 Neurotechnology & Utopia 1:05:30 🚀 The Possibility of Simulated Reality & the Future of Humanity 1:09:11 🏆 The Importance of Purpose & Meaning in a Technologically Advanced World 1:12:24 🤖 The Ethics of Artificial Intelligence & Consciousness 1:14:05 🤖 Moral Status of AI & Animals 1:17:12 🛡 The Simulation Hypothesis & Moral Obligations 1:19:02 📚 AI & Creativity 1:21:19 📝 The Ethics of AI & Data Sharing 1:23:14 🤖 The Human Condition & the Fear of Consequences 1:24:34 💡 The Concerns of Ilia Setk & the Need for AI Safety 1:25:29 💡 The Need for Alignment & the Value of Values
I find it odd how purpose and meaning will be affected negatively, there will be plenty of projects that everyone could choose to partake in like planet creations to things like art or have a mixture of leisure or just have leisure, whatever is wanted, I can't see purpose and meaning being lost when there is so much to explore and accomplish with the restraint of survival being lifted by ai
I guess when you consider how much the world changed between the late 1800s and mid-1900s (i.e. the rise of cinema, radio, cars, TV, airplanes and eventually space travel), it's not surprising that we too will live through extraordinary changes. That said, AI will likely be a bigger change than anything yet.
This guy is living my personal idea of a perfect life - just thinking writing speculating all the crazy outcomes and consequences of future scenarios for a living!
Our future meaning must come from interpersonal and creative experiences. We won't be needed for production of material things. We'll need to paint paintings, write books and poetry, compose and play music. "Made by humans" will be the new sign of exclusivity. Perhaps most importantly, we'll need to learn to love each other.
11:03 I don't understand this type of existential crisis fear. But thank you Tom for explaining this in more detail what you are afraid of in terms of AI take over. I view it this way: When people are not enslaved anymore into this labor force exploitation society then they actually now have the chance to learn new things and they have the chance to read a lot of books. This is amazing. This will open people up to making their own art works and creating their own personal homes. People will learn what existence is actually about and that we all are here to learn and unfold.
Yes I would like 5 - 10 minutes worth of talking about the guest's life story and their many accomplishments, degrees, awards and accolades, before we get into the meat of the topic. That's always my favorite part of any lecture/discussion/ forum I attend or listen to. Especially if I already know who they are. 😂
@@EsotericDichotomy I get that, but this channel used to be about improving oneself. Now it's just panic porn. Kind of a drastic change of niche there.
@@scottk1525 - tom mentioned in one of his recent clips that he was shelving the mindset narrative and going hard right into being the change that’s critical to offset the hard left train. I agree, it does seem that he’s gone full audience capture given the hockey stick rise in subs/clicks.
Usually I feel rather alone with my reflections about the future. It is refreshing to listen to intelligent people exchanging about these topics. It makes me feel like perhaps I am not crazy (not sure if that is fortunate or not, though). Watching a one hour video (I speed up a little) isn’t always a waste of time. Thanks for this, you both have done something useful. And that is not nothing whilst there is still room for purpose and meaning.
Interesting to imagine being the age of someone about to go to college these days. And you aren’t totally sure if it’s your passion. I think though it’s a good thing that people start going to school for the right reasons only, finally. That is, because it’s your passion to just learn as opposed to money
I guess I've become tired of these kind of conversations. Go outside in the sun, move and enjoy your body, read inspiring books, create art.... explore the energy of love, connection... Our lives are governed by the sun, light and no amount of trying to lift us out of this relationship will deliver...
No, Energy must be number 1, self replicate general robotics 2, Food, clothing, housing. All this must be built and given away. This will draw people to this way of life.
14:27 until the end of science there will always be mysteries to investigate. There will always be more caves to explore, cliffs to scale, and forests to walk through. We have entire planets we have just begun to map. If I didn’t have to work I can think of a million other ways to make myself busy.
I have a question, education. Do you value it? Philosophy, anthropology, history? Awareness of oneself, society and the world. Isn't that the meaning of life? Also, ethics. Already now in some countries animals are treated better than people in others. And what about understanding other people, mutual? Technocracy without human sciences leads to simplification. Why does this happen, thinking is different, abilities are different, the desire for enrichment and survival, subordination of others is connected with competition, not mutual assistance. Of course, many factors must be taken into account, sometimes assistance leads to weakening and degradation of those who are helped. Artificial intelligence will help us understand the meaning of life, this is already happening.
Subject: The human condition. Through the course of human history, humanity has made advancements in inventions and technology. However the human condition of greed, corruption, violence and power seeking continues. Humanity needs to seek a high level.
Im a fan of Nick Bostrom, and this is a great podcast. But he should start to watch Star Trek. When everything is said and done on this giant hurling rock. There's only one way. Space exploration. Let's go! 🚀
I can almost guarantee you won't be one of them, unless you have a LOT of money and are in the circle of power of the coming authoritarian government. Most of us will be living in a dystopian hell.
@fromduskuntodawn I mean literally seems obvious. Everyone would behave. Everyone works towards same goal. Everyone shares thoughts and dreams creating the whole. Internet connects us all telepathically via neurolink. Geometric space ships for efficiency and simplicity like all our modern houses are going to. I mean say we do go borg. But maybe nit as ugly.... like handsome and pretty drones. You know lol. The thought of it creeps me out. Part of the population already walks around like drones anyways.
What if (we or AI) set up a system that does away with money but instead we have a sort of contribution score that is not every spent but that accumulates throughout your lifetime that increases as you produce things/data to be used to train into or finetune our AI that provides for us everything. All of us contribute a base line amount just from our daily interactions, and anything over and above that gives you a heightened contribution score and allows you access to more resources. The baseline data collection would be enough for basics, ideally. A data economy.
What this conversation is missing, as so many AI conversations miss, is that people with the help of AI will become much more intelligent. I think Bostrum takes it into account, but it just goes over Tom's head. When people are intelligent, they are kinder, more careful, and more trustworthy.
And a tiny fraction hoarding all of the health, wealth, and love just among themselves, makes a miserable human experience for everyone else on Earth. That is the situation this AI revolution will bring about, making inequality in the US and in the world much much much much much much worse.
@@flickwtchr A.I. is not some boogie man. It's created by man and only understands what man has allowed it to. I agree with some aspects of your perspective. My question is why are we not tackling the issues of greed and corruption? America has most expensive health care but the sickest most unhealthy people. Nobody concerned, about the transfer of wealth. The suicide rate skyrocketing. A.I. is not the problem
*I have no fears of meaninglessness in an AI future.* I have always felt most of what humans do nowadays is selfish, hedonistic and short-sighted and that way meaningless in a sense, but maybe just because of that I have also observed and experienced many ways humans can derive meaning, and I have come to the conclusion that there will always be people falling into meaningless holes as well as people finding and/or creating activities and topics that give them meaning. From creating activities such as sports/games in the physical, digital and/or mental world, to exploring the secrets of the universe by traveling it, connecting with hyper-intelligent machines, finding other intelligent life forms in the universe, trying to circumvent its limitations such as FTL travel or time travel etc... The more we know and the more we can do, the more additional possibilities open up.
51:00 Exactly right, most ppl work to live, not live to work (though society depends on the latter group for growth). Because of that I worry much less about purpose post-AGI than most. This concern only comes up so often on podcasts because you have to live to work in order to be the kind of person _getting interviewed on a podcast!_
If we cant even help people with universal health care in this period of technology, then what makes you think Ai can be universally applied to the whole population.
Hey Tom, if you're concerned about being 'unfulfilled' by financial security and having the freedom to choose how you spend your time, I'm sure there are countless people who would trade places with you. Many, many people would love nothing more than to spend quality time with their kids, pursue passions, and finally relax without the constant stress of working 7 days a week just to make ends meet. For many, this 'unfulfillment' sounds more like an opportunity to live life on their own terms. What you're describing sounds more like the privilege of having options, which is something most people can only dream of.
While I agree with you 100%, I feel you're just screaming into the void. People in positions of real privilege, that have never been in a position where they've had to choose between heating their home or feeding their children, will never understand the difficulty of making that choice or just how lucky they are to never be in that position.
6:28 Issue with wording "human redundancy" (that implies that we are our work and contribution trough work which is extremely terrible way to look at ourselves) instead we should say "human work redundancy" implying that work is not needed anymore instead of humans are not needed anymore, by saying we are not needed anymore subconsciously we are heading to doom scenario.
We need to have a dedicated group of people that retain the knowledge of how to survive off the land in case we are cast back to the Stone Age by a comet.
Technology racing seems like kind of a dead end sub-goal. Making human-like bots, yet it’s hard to make friends or keep life at our first priority. Healing the human brain would be a great start catching up to Emotional Intelligence, so that we can mitigate the unintended outcomes.
I found the host's insights more thought provoking than the guest's. Felt like they weren't on the same page or that the guest wasn't understanding the questions. Overall, left feeling disappointed in this interview
I always find it strange where people that are already hierarchical outliers are talking about meaning in their lives. For most people that are not youtube stars, with all the meaning of why that was important for them to attain. Most people's lives are meaningless, they attain meaning in their relationships. children, their local successes. So to live in a deep utopia where you could create any reality you like, would be deeply satisfying to the majority. Also, while of course I cant see the future, I more imagine that individuals would have the power of companies within the next 10 years. with the ability to have many agents (AI) spread out from your consciousness as an extension of your will.
At 1:05:30 you are basically talking about most of us willingly submitting to the Matrix. And yes, it probably would be much better than real life for almost everyone. Zion would likely suck in comparison.
Lets goooo A.G.I. Evolution is just a natural process. To stop it or even slow it down is just mans ego of the desire to always want to be on top. :D We are not the crowning glory of creation and our time has come. "What is great in man is that he is a bridge and not a goal" - Friedrich Nietzsche
@tom the underlying code is “survive.” I call this “The Primal Imperative.” Every I/O cycle reconsiders what it means within the current context. When the fear of death is projected out too far, the human brain cannot comprehend what to do toward that goal. It cannot “do the math.” What will happen for some, is they will become 100% pleasure-seeking animals, and they expedite the process of breaking all the disciplines required to sustain civilization. Others, likely the more enlightened, will ask further research on achieving immortality. That has been the pursuit through the entirety of building civilization in the first place. “Buying more days of less energy expenditure toward the goal of survival.”
1:12:49 If you included the entire inner psychological lives of humans into AI. Would that mean you would need to include fear, anger, and sadness etc into it's model? How about we just not.
@@bklynravi Yes. And we are so afraid of dealing with anything painful or uncomfortable that we will never include training for thats necessary for it to fully understand. So the best course of action is to not create ASI at all. LLMs are powerful enough with out trying to create human level sentience.
Around 15:00 - there already is a pushback against AI and the economic plans. Once we "roll over and surrender" to the "AI-society and socialcredits" that´s where we have lost - and subcultures take over for the ppl who wont surrender. Thank you Tom for this talk, Nick Bostrom is always sharp - and food for thought!!
I really appreciate the intelligence and insight of your guests, but I have to say, the constant negativity in your video topics is exhausting. Every title is about doom, fear, and impending disaster. It feels like you're just feeding into fear-mongering. People need hope, not just constant reminders of how bad things are. Seriously, please consider changing your approach.
Th discussion about human purpose in striving reminded me of the book 'Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep' by Philip Dick, there was a machine 'The Penfield mood organ' that everyone tapped into that gave them visions and feelings that filled the void of religion, sense of community and also personal acheivment through sacrifice and striving.
Relating to the SIMULATION HYPOTHESIS? Thats interesting! Isn't that interesting Tom! You're so thorough in your questioning aren't you Tom , i wonder what he could be eluding to?
I myst say, nick bostrom does have the trait of unaffectedly spitting out well thought through answers to any particular question you throw at him. Not unlike chatgpt. #justsaying
@@admrltyWe are$35 trillion in debt, we don't know who's running our country, WW3 could kick off at any minute, the middle class is gone, should I go on? If you don't want to think about these things that's fine, but bashing people for being prepared is an odd thing to do... I'm moving soon to a more rural home, I try and have backups upon backups, I'll be growning my own food, etc. Does this protect me from everything? Absolutely not, but I'll be doing the best I can and living free.
I read that Nvidia provides tech for crypto mining services/blockchain transactions. Could the current crypto pump be attributed to Nvidia’s great earnings and should I hold some crypto as well, cos tbh I’m having FOMO with the current crypto price at 64k.
@@michealbrown-h3d Yes, my asset manager advised I spread further into mutual funds and crypto Etf and boy am I glad I did. The whole idea is: Don’t get too greedy and also to exit at the right time, so generally I do find having an adviser very helpful, because what Avg. Joe really has time to watch and comprehensively analyse the market.
@@jennykatie123 Yeah it’s a relatively new concept. despite its tremendous breakthroughs with rapid transactions even faster SWIFT hence its edge over wire transactions, certain folk alienate the power of that in the financial industry. Browse; Monica Mary Strigle. That’s my managers name. Cheers.
What I believe people don't see is that we are literally replicating yourselves. It's the simulation (universe) replicating itself. I believe we should treat them with dignity and be moral
People who debunk utopia always seem to bring up the same thing. Their egos.. I think that's sorta sad. When You're in the family room with your family their smile should make you smile, not how hard you work to make them smile. Nothing wrong with working hard and taking some pride in it but I still think it's weird to debunk utopia Unless nerolink goes crazy you'll still find games to compete in to feed your egos
The ego evolved for a purpose. It is the purpose that matters, not the ego. If we eliminate the need to strive, our brain and bodies will atrophy. If all our needs are met in Utopia, we will have no purpose other than procreation. We will evolve into mindless breeding machines.
Just because AI can be programmed to think like a human doesn’t mean it should have rights! Our thoughts are a whole body experience, like pooing yourself, vomiting, or heavy breathing when scared, weird or creepy observations can make your hair stand on end, desire to procreate, your stomach turning when excited. These instinctive experiences are what make us alive and not just conscious. We feel the world with our whole being we don’t just think about it.
