imagine them interviewing people in UK prisons today for a documentary lol! ''Ya get me bruv!! I bare wetted him up. In here now fam. Ya get me?? Jail tings, fam....''
For anyone wondering what happened to the first guy, his appeal eventually made it to the House of Lords (which acted as the Supreme Court at the time) in 1985, where it was accepted i.e. his sentence was overturned. The case is called R v Moloney and it's an important case in the development of the law surrounding murder which all British law students learn about
One of the reasons I'm watching this is to listen to Moloney speak and talk about his stepfather. I'd heard my father talk about it. Indeed, shocking. Oblique intent!
Look how well and well spoken young people were. Now go and watch Michael palins ‘confessions of a railway spotter’ filmed in the same year. Look at how beautiful and stunning the uk looked both in London and the north whilst he made his way from London to Scotland.
It was in the process of changing. Unions being destroyed plus mass immigration - many of them unskilled. England lost its identity and is now one of the wokest, craziest, places in the English speaking world. Imagine telling these blokes that biological men would hold records in women's sports and that you could go to gaol for intentionally misgendering someone. Sad.
@@kitharrison8799was the good days of England a time where I would have been proud to call this my home now I dread it. Immigration and adding culture diversity has destroyed England for good. The next generations our gonna be even more fucked!
Your not alone l lived on a farm my dad was a horrible man with drink in him l wanting to plenty of times l had a shotgun when l was 11 many years later l talked him out of killing himself when my mam left him l got no thanks for it why l rescue dogs never been married lm happy doing my own thing
I've been in prison with many lifers,and most of them have told me the biggest punishment is the one they put on themselves, living with the fact that you have taken someone's life many told me is harder than doing the life sentence itself. I told them, tell that to the relatives of that deceased person!!!
I have it but you have to watch it with a american vpn enabled its called lifers as well sadly channel 4 blocked it in this country as it caused a lot of problems with the victims family
@@CharlieEdward25 many thanks for your videos . I am out of the UK and VPN enabled . Is the other video on your page ? As I can't see it . Kind regards
The guy there calling Alistair is a relative of mine,it happened many years ago and I was very young. Almost all of the family stories I've heard of it is,,, his dad was very tough on him(a prick of a man by the sound of it) and when Alistair came home from the army his dad continued to bring him down, and from what I've been told by certain family members that the only trueth in his story he told about what happened that night is,,yeah they both went out with shotguns. But his evil old step dad used the competition to get him out, but then started to belittle him and called him a coward and something along the line of,,, even the army couldn't make a killer of a cowardly idiot like you! and then pointed his shotgun at him, threatening to shoot him in the knees Alistair got scared and angry then retaliated, and as you heard in his own words "accidentally"🙄 shot him in the side of the head.
@@kebabtank I'm not really sure what he's doing now, and after my dad died (the side of the family he is from) I don't see much of them much and there is a few crazy relative's on my dad's side lol but I haven't ever met him in person only seen him in this and an old family photo years ago but I'll always remember that story in the family and that is all I can honestly tell you, thanks for sharing this, it was a cousin of mine who told me about this video being on here 👍
Thanks for the info he was a lovely young lad in this film smart too i really hope he got his life back on track you can tell that lad is not a bad person .
Thank you for letting us know what happened for him to be where he is. So sad that his evil dad did this to him. He seems such a good person, I really hope he made something of his life when he got out. Sending some love to him from a wee Scottish lassie. 💕Glasgow 🏴
Just come from the 1972 Women in prison. Man alive series. Filmed in Holloway. A woman in the comments section mentioned this documentary so great that I've found it. 👍. I'm almost 37, first went prison in 2004, last 2019. Prison was different (lots of changes) throughout those years, so to see prison in the 70's and 80's is crazy! I love how they spoke back then! And it doesn't seem full of wannabe badboys and chavvy girls. Lol (Not judging as met some brilliant girls throughout the years, but there's always a few gobby cows who's bark is bigger than their bite) .
I'm glad you kept out since 2019! Keep it up. Had a close call a few times,especially, thankfully, never been in. Thought of doing any time with the dinlos you see about these days fills me with dread more so than the sentence! Good docu, there a few good ones on RU-vid from 70s & 80s. Good film about runaways in London called Johnny Come Home.
In fairness, these guys were a product of the WW2 generation. I think they were more blind about things. More matter of fact. It was a survival strategy used by their parents or themselves. But I still think an army man k own where a gun is pointing though.
In fairness, these guys were a product of the WW2 generation. I think they were more blind about things. More matter of fact. It was a survival strategy used by their parents or themselves. But I still think an army man k own where a gun is pointing though.
@@kc8181 for sure i was brought up by my grandparents grandad was in dday at sword beach landing they where very strict on me i personally found them days a lot better then today
Great documentary, very informative. People were a lot more articulate in the past, don’t know if it’s because of the education system or today’s social environment.
That guy Dennis who killed his mother - why on earth should that guy decide his own fate? His poor mother that he murdered likely begged for her life but he didn’t listen so why should the prison system to him? He wants a quick easy way out because he’s got ‘nothing to look forward to’ rather than serving his life sentence well tough it doesn’t work like that. If someone murdered me or a loved one and then was caught, I’d be pretty pi**ed if the offender got to dictate their life thereafter as to what suited them best like choosing to just take a nice little pill to put them to sleep i.e escape their punishment!
@@CharlieEdward25 I'd love to see those docs mate. I am very interested in docs from the 70's and 80s, they just have a brutal reality to them. I'd love to see the 'Lifer' series from the 80s as it was originally broadcast. The follow up from 2003 was superb and I do wonder if another follow up is coming up? All the best.
I watched a video today about a 20 plus yr old who cot 110 years because his truck breaks failed. He could have been delivering medical supplies on a regular basis
I had a good time in the Scrubs in the hot summer of 1976. Plenty of books, exercise every morning and evening, a cell of my own, plenty of food, cats running everywhere.
@@rexterrocks I was awaiting a psychiatric decision and was in hospital with Ian Brady and Graham Young, poisoner. Saw John Stonehouse MP when he arrived. 300 young prisoners shouting out from B wing 'Do your bird Stonehouse, you cunt.'
1st class stamps were cheap back then, I couldn't believe it recently when I bought a book of ten I think it was over £10. More than a pound to send a simple letter and I think they're going up again soon.
He said he could not remember a thing due to being so drunk, yet he explained everything what happened. Thats why he was found guilty of murder, he could not use being intoxicated, as a defence for manslaughter.
I'm watching this after just watching the documentary Broadmoor - Serial Killers & High Security, where the hostage/murder by Robert Maudsley was a subject. What a coincidence that his co-conspirator David Cheeseman is starring in this docu talking about the incident 41:28. Great docu, thanks for sharing. Cheers from the Netherlands
That kids story, and I do believe him, is the saddest thing I have ever heard. Men aren't the same. A 'man' twice his age these days wouldn't be so willing to stand up and take responsibility for their actions. Not blame others. Not say things are wrong and they are being wronged. I feel so bad for him.
Pleading not guilty and claiming blackout drunk insomnia isn't taking responsibility for your actions. The state of these comments. Folk saying the murderers back then were better than now. A murderer is still a Murderer, regardless of when in history.!
@@user-pv9kg9ou1l Well, I wrote what I wrote because I believed him. I didn't think his assertion that he was blackout drunk was a lie to get out of responsibility. I believe he was drunk; things went down just as he said, and now he owns that and is taking responsibility. It's a tragic waste all around - that's what gets me, I suppose.
Alright mate. There was a follow up to this programme broadcast in 2003 and half were out, half were still in and some were on the run! The young lad at the beginning, the ex-soldier, got out in 1985 on appeal and the man with the drop moustache @ 21:45 is a man called Trevor Kane. He was an ex-squaddie and French Foreign Legionaire (an amazing life story) and he died a few years ago in either Newcastle or Ashton undey lyme. And btw, if any of the others are still in, I'd be amazed. They are either elderly or dead, apart from the young lad, he'd be in his sixties now. All the best.
Note all the male interviewees had neatly rolled shirt sleeves with a white reverse showing. Shirts like that were a bit of a status thing in those days, with the alpha types picking them out of the stack on laundry day. It seemed to be a thing that professional villains did, as they had a real thing about neatness and cleanliness. They often grabbed a few white towels and laid them on the shelves and table in their cell like table clothes. It was a thing. Many if not most of the rest of the prisoners were indifferent to that pose or too shambolic to care. I reckon the cons in this video were given the best shirts for their appearances in front of the cameras.
Thanks for this insight I don’t feel so weird now for getting a little distracted with the first guys shirt thinking how nice the rolled up sleeves were considering where he was! 😅
@@ptrekboxbreaks5198 they explain in the video that a life sentence in the uk doesn't actually mean the person will stay locked up until they die, they can be released but it depends when. Most serve p about 10 years.
I knew Trevor Kane intervied in this video 22:11 he died in a subway in Ashton Under Lyne. Freedom is very important, to go out for a walk, stand at a bus stop waiting in the rain for a bus. Things these men could only dream of doing for years and years.
Hello there, many thanks for sharing this sad news. I remember there was an article in the Times in 2003 about Trevor, shortly before the follow up to the first Lifer series was broadcast. And for me, Trevors' story was the most interesting of the lot. I was fascinated with his military and subsequent criminal background, and although he seemed very troubled in the follow up series (I believe he was in his sixties by then) he appeared to be living quite comfortably. He served a very long sentence and had a very chaotic life as a younger man, but it was so sad to see him weeping when he talked about the murder he committed later in life. Could I ask you, when did Trevor die? How old was he? And what were the circumstances? All the best.
At 21:37 the inmate with a budgie in his cell, theres something about it that strikes me as so sadly poetic about that. A prison within a prison. Two inmates, one presumably guilty, the other innocent and the innocent one imprisoned as a reward for the guilty
I agree, are you confused ? ; that is why he is a psychopath. The point is that these people are bad, not mad, i.e. they are malign, evil etc. Please note that we are hearing his version of events which is not contested, and, surprise, surprise, he presents himself as either not psychologically present at the events (though no mention of drugs etc), or as some kind of victim of circumstance.....No one has to beat someone's brains out with a hammer...if he was being exploited by someone, walk out of the front door......People are in Broadmoor because they are untreatable and fucking dangerous !!!!
A couple of years ago I refused to do community service in Hendon court and they gave me a month 😂I served 14 days on d wing surrounded by lifers , it was a relaxed wing
@@dragonfitter 2 wrongs don't make it right...Screws are trained only to use control and restraint techniques by home office approval, anything ie kicks,punches, beatings is a criminal act.
Children even in their primary years were sent to these awful places and because they were simply abused at home in some peculiar way - would like to see documentaries with actual video footage of these things. Clearly this young lad had gone through some kind of trauma, regardless of how good relationship he had with his own father - why else would he be in such a dreadful place??? - something not quite right.
Some people are just bad. Not saying the first young man is but just because someone’s young doesn’t mean they’re not capable of extreme wrong doing. They don’t all have had to have gone through some trauma.
He didn’t have a good relationship with his step dad. His step father was a complete bastard too him who mentally abused him for years. Hardly surprising what happened.
These ppl will all be out now its 42 years ago wow that sounds crazy..in the 2000s i was like 12 and you looked bk at the 80s and 90 and would say its 10 or 20 years ago which sounded ok but we are now in 2022 and this was 42 years ago 42 years and its rare for sum1 2 be given a full life sentence in america life is life
Probably George Davis (NOT that George Davis) who murdered an officer by running over him in a jeep. I was with him in 1976 and he'd served something like 27 years by then.
the most chilling inmate is the woman at 60 minutes approx. The stink of self pity, no sense that she was responsible for her actions on her burglary spree, batshit crazy, brooding and very difficult to read. The reminds me of Myra Hindley. Next time you see a Friendship Society, give it a pass......
You should see her in the follow up documentary that was made in 2003. She had got out (think she did about 15 years) and she was the oldest looking forty-something I had ever seen. She had settled though and had a son, overall though I did feel sorry for her as it sounds like she was of a low intellect, had very low self-esteem and had been easily led.
@@janty68 Not sure, but I did read the family of the victim were not at all happy about it since the film presented Joyce as a victim rather than the elderly woman that had been killed. Also, in this documentary what she does NOT tell is that Colin didn't just take the woman upstairs and smash her with a brick...but first tried to drown her in the bath, then strangle her, and only then when neither of those worked set about her with a brick. All that time she did nothing...she may well have been scared, sure...I have no doubt that was very likely true...but watching these docs it's worth keeping in mind that many of them are most likely only telling you what they want to tell you. Joyce is a prime example...she's not exactly lying, but she's also not exactly telling the whole situation either.
@@Dannydawson537 Yeah, there was an update that was broadcast in 2003, they looked at four who had been released and four who were still inside. And you're right, they all looked nothing like they used to. Prison left it's mark alright.
@@kebabtank hi and the difference in the lads was sad just pumped with medication I was in strange ways late 89s and was a very hard place for a 16 year old
He's changed his second name to Lant now. But I agree it was interesting. I've been fascinated by the Maudsley case for years and it was a hidden gem to see that interview with David. Load of crap about Bob eating the guys brain tho lol. Sorry to rant 👍
