I was in care growing up then prision all through my late teens and 20s im good now but i feel bad for youngster who are doomed leaving care without the proper support because there was none when i left its a shame seeing this process repeate its self
Watching this series is absolutely fascinating 😊 thank you so much for uploading these episodes..i am a huge true crime fan & love watching old tv series about life in jail 👍
I see your comments on so many things I watch. We obviously have the same taste. Old british documentary type videos. Have you see all the world in action episodes. Absolutely brilliant!
This has just come up randomly on my RU-vid. I would love to meet any of these guys if they still alive just to see how their lives panned out after this programme
The con who nicked the lead , the Judge ask him what was you you going to do with the lead (con) I was going to make some lead soldiers (Judge) oh well not to bad (con) then I was going to march them down to the scrap yard.🤣🤣🤣🤣
That’s a marriage destained for the dust cart ,, good start , old fella in chokey, the screws as best man and sweat box as wedding car ,, dragging behind it a jemmy bar Mole grips balaclava and sawn off 😂😂😂
14:56 Vinny says:- "This place will go off, and when this place does go off, the roof will go, man" Freaky considering that's exactly what happened 10 years later......
That governor is a monster cold and heartless saying i need to be sure theres a chance she'll not live, wtf , i hope the wee girl made a recovery and Mcdonald got out to help her 😢
He was Norman Brown, a former tank comander who suffered facial injuries in the Korean War. Some say as Govenor of Strangeways he turned a blind eye to officer brutality.
He said the rules where he should be sure she might not make it but authorised it anyway, might just have been for the camera but he ignored the regulations.
Who would want to get married in prison seriously? Unless you were a lifer I don't really see the point of getting married in jail. This guy was only serving 3 years, he could've waited. And whilst he's in jail the best man is giving his wife one 🤣
That’s the establishment for ya.! Just like Hillsborough, the government will do fuck-all until there is a massive tragedy or upheaval (riot) then the bastards will act.
I wonder if these people are still married or indeed alive? I remember watching this as an 11 year old. I had just started comprehensive school in South Wales. I remember the press up record attempt. It almost feels like another world I lived I then back in 1980, 3 TV channels, we never owned a phone and things were simple, yet tough. We even rented our TV as most others did!
What a brilliant film I would love to know what happened to all the guys who were interviewed When they got out of Strange ways I 'll say it agan ace film bye!😎
I first went to prison In Durham as a young lad 1986...I remember those type of officers...the screws of today,a million miles away from some of those characters,usually big tough lads.
I would love to know whatever happened to Alan that did the record for press ups . I honestly believe he did not steal the lead from the roof and that's why he stood his ground an went to Crown court instead of taking a £ 30 fine . A man with such physical fitness was wasted to society being in prison for something ( I think ) he didn't do . Hopefully went on to be a success when he was released .
@@snowflakemelter1172 id rather take a 30 pound fine than risk going to crown court cos your more rhan likely getting locked up then....so unless he's daft it makes no sense risking your liberty for 30 quid .
@@brendancronin3796 I believe him to . It defies logic to make that choice . Only an innocent would put themselves through that for what might be £200 in today's terms .
Vinnie was involved in the 1990 Strangeways riots and he said in 1980 ten years before when this place goes of it will explode and he was right as the Strangeways riot was the worst in British prison history but they did achieve in changing not just Strangeways but every prison in the country as well..
@@peterhoey7453 Following the riot at Strangeways and the subsequent inquiry etc, the British Penal system was forced to change with regards to the mistreatment of prisoners. It set the precedent. Much needed reforms were brought in.
@@gerwulfthered154 Think he meant how did JP know vinny took part in Strangeways riot in 1990 as vinny was on a 2 or 3 year stretch in 1980, vinny would have been let out years earlier?
Spent 17 weeks in there 1977 it was a proper prison then you new your place it was punishment the way it should of been . Put it is way I’ve never been back
My late Uncle Fran was the prison physio who gave Alan the towel at the end of his pushups. I remember him telling us about this at the time. A pioneering documentary that's commonplace nowadays.
Couldn't agree more; this fly-on-the-wall type documentary was ahead of its time, 'cos TV production crews didn't do this kind of stuff in those days............
@@Fee212some cons would get lucky and get out to go the gym, usually you had to listen out for a shout of `tally’s down for gymnasium’ and you would hear about 200 tally’s go down and shouts of `here boss’ all over the wing. That’s what I remember from being in Walton in the 80s, and it being a total shithole.
Mad how the guards would walk around showing off the NF party badge openly on uniforms,the guard on one of these episodes who tried setting up the union has his own podcast,John sutton,I think u spell his second name that way
Vinnie was involved in the 1990 Strangeway riots he said ten years before in 1980 that the place was ready to explode and my God it did ten years later and Vinnie was in the thick of the worst riots in British prison history but they did achieve in not only changing the conditions in Strangeways but in every prison across the country..
Strangeways screws had their own branch of the National Front in 1980, and openly wore NF badges. I was locked up that same year, (and a few after), and had never seen racism like it.
The conditions these guys were kept in was ridiculous. Not saying they didn't deserve jail time but if you're going to lock them up then the conditions must be OK. Shitting in a bucket or pot, 3 guys in a one man cell. It's no wonder people got violent
I get you. It’s a fine balance, in no way should they be rewarded for being inside but buckets for toilets and cockroaches in food (mentioned in a comment elsewhere) is just filthy and unnecessary. I think the most to which they are entitled is a safe, clean environment. That apart their carping cuts no ice to me, most of them seem like dimwits who are well deserving of being in there just as the public is well deserving of them being in there. We don’t hear enough about their victims…these characters mostly put themselves in this mess.
Watch from 20 mins 30 secs, a guy complains that he is not being treated as a human and the mindless bint he is talking to says "yes but that applies to everybody surely?" Now ask yourselves why there is crime, why some people just say ENOUGH!
She was engaging him to elaborate, she new what he was trying to say , she just didn't want to put the words in his mouth about race, racism has done full circle in prison now
The guy that got found not guilty for the rape, have to take my hat of to him. Standing up for himself to both the screws and prisoners. Didn't go on the number's. Doing so ment a couple of thing's to other prisoners. Their Guilty, innocent but can't fight for when it comes on top because it will. Some lowlife eighter trying to impress a bully or someone ordering it might try to have a go . Mud sticks, but you have half a chance if like him your found not guilty .Your paperwork shows that and more. That's why your asked for it on arrival, by the lags. He reminds me of Paul Sykes and Bronson .Men who weren't afraid to speak their minds regardless of which side of the fence their speaking about. Prison is everything you've seen and read. The bad the ugly the worst of the worst dredgers of humanity are all around you. Timet your fucked. The vultures circle every morning, pray is all around them. They pick out the weak. Bird's of a feather, nowhere to run. It's bad enough that your there. But to add insult to injury, your on trial twice. Once in court where the law rules. Then in prison when you get there. No law's there, kangaroo court. Guilty, sentence to be carried out ASAP. At least a savage beating with maybe a Glasgow smile, Prison justice. I kid you not. This lies ahead for all who travel that road, crime for 99% does not pay. ✌️☘️
This was when? 1980? Maybe it’s the closed environment because the cons and the screws seem at least 10 years behind looks wise. I was around in 1980 and the fashion was much different to how it looks here, Madness, The Specials, OMD, Bowie, New Joy Division, Tubeway Army
Does anyone know if the Governor here, Norman Brown, was ever Governor of Winson Green? I remember a similar documentary about that prison in the 80s/90s and I'm sure that he was the No1 there.
Every prisoner can justify why he shouldn't be there or why he was forced into crime, the stories are never ending, everyone's got an excuse and it's all BS.
Aristotle upon whom our entire western civilization is based said that poverty is the parent of crime do you really believe that you are more wise than the man who gave us the democratic advanced free society we live in today ?
@@johnmilligan6605 plenty of poor societies with low crime rates that prove him wrong. Great philosophers can be wrong on some things and right on others.
The guy saying you can’t survive on hundred quid after bills so better off theiving lol.It’s a horrible world I got caught up in age 17 it was a allocation centre back in 82.Just a scared kid going through reception a screw was singing don’t laugh at me I smiled he slapped me across the face they where bullies.40 years ago how time passes 2 months there seemed forever.I get it it wasn’t meant to be a holiday camp I was lied to by my so called own people and used ended up there people say oh well you made your own choices I still feel at the time it seemed theiving was my only choice it wasn’t but at 17 my needs where immediate I had no sense no one cared no one to guide me.Sounds like excuses to late now you get a record 3 plus custodial sentences that’s it.My advice to youngsters seek help make do bide your time prison is a bad bad choice don’t go there.
The riot was definitely a when and not if situation. This place was just a powder keg. Amazing that slopping out wasn’t officially done away with until 1996 and stayed on in many prisons for much longer.
