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Lifting Straps - When & Why? feat. EVERY YOUTUBER 

Alan Thrall (Untamed Strength)
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@davidgardener4139
@davidgardener4139 3 года назад
The part about the straps was my personal favourite.
@helphowdoinputusername3571
@helphowdoinputusername3571 3 года назад
Change this comment so no one will be able to tell what it was.
@bmstylee
@bmstylee 3 года назад
There were straps? When was that?
@samsianlol7509
@samsianlol7509 3 года назад
For real
@nickbyrd1027
@nickbyrd1027 3 года назад
Time stamp?
@gokkuro
@gokkuro 3 года назад
Nailed🤣lol
@BigLozOfficial
@BigLozOfficial 3 года назад
Cool video. Thanks for having me!
@flabio7074
@flabio7074 3 года назад
Came for a video about strapons. Stayed for a video about men on short shorts. Not what I expected. But not disappointed either.
@olympic-gradelurker
@olympic-gradelurker 3 года назад
😂🤣😂🤣
@JoeyCentral
@JoeyCentral 3 года назад
I thought you talked about strap on destiny. Bye love your pic. Trump 2024!
@flabio7074
@flabio7074 3 года назад
@@JoeyCentral you missed the joke I think
@ericswires8534
@ericswires8534 3 года назад
I was going to make that joke but you took it to a higher level. 😆
@WizeBan
@WizeBan 3 года назад
I haven't moved the barbell since 2012
@artistsukh1127
@artistsukh1127 3 года назад
You better not!
@korvdploeg4529
@korvdploeg4529 3 года назад
You haven't touched a barbell since 2012 also haven't you 😝 (Just a joke, sorry)
@bmstylee
@bmstylee 3 года назад
Pink man screaming: don't move the barbell
@chrisstanley9477
@chrisstanley9477 3 года назад
@Casey T 😂😂
@Andreastheduck
@Andreastheduck 3 года назад
impeccable impersonation by Jordan. Wouldn't have noticed without name on screen
@ryannachtrab
@ryannachtrab 3 года назад
...what impersonation?!
@masonnowak5660
@masonnowak5660 3 года назад
I thought it was Blake Anderson
@SzatStrength
@SzatStrength 3 года назад
Thanks for having me on brotha!
@jonnywills1
@jonnywills1 3 года назад
Jordan dressed up as Alan was so good I thought it was Alan dressed up as Alan.
@cheefbaconator6078
@cheefbaconator6078 3 года назад
I thought it was just normal Alan
@jessicaga89
@jessicaga89 3 года назад
Straps are perfect for RDLs, they allow me to really focus on my hamstrings instead of my grip
@kyuu7992
@kyuu7992 3 года назад
I do exactly the same thing, i totally agree with you
@bishopm4401
@bishopm4401 3 года назад
It’s crazy how much more you can focus on the lift when your mind isn’t preoccupied with “don’t drop the bar”
@EvsPersonal
@EvsPersonal 2 года назад
Absolutely. Love them for this
@BadassBobY
@BadassBobY 2 года назад
@@bishopm4401 fr, literally yesterday when I was deadlifting on my last set for the day, I had 3-5 reps in the tank but my grip Gave up.
@zerrodefex
@zerrodefex 8 месяцев назад
Also on Meadows Rows: gripping the end of the bar had me wearing out at 10 reps, with a strap got to 15 before I hit actual failure and couldn't lift the bar anymore.
@SS-iu1re
@SS-iu1re 3 года назад
0:58 - 1:04 You have talked in the past about how you personally had a muscular imbalance in your traps due to mixed grip
@awesomeawesomeness32
@awesomeawesomeness32 3 года назад
This confused me too
@davidthomas9960
@davidthomas9960 3 года назад
He doesn’t believe that anymore
@ysosirius8470
@ysosirius8470 3 года назад
I remember him saying the muscle imbalance in his traps was because of a broken and therefor shortened collarbone
@Xplora213
@Xplora213 3 года назад
Alan has changed his mind a LOT over the last 5 years.
@6ScubA9
@6ScubA9 3 года назад
I was shocked when he said thought. I really expected more follow up after that.
@nishisonone6105
@nishisonone6105 3 года назад
I know this video is about straps, but (liquid) chalk is worth mentioning as it's a great way to drastically increase grip strength and is allowed in competitions.
@FLMKane
@FLMKane 2 года назад
I use chalk. Period. Rosin also works sometimes.
@stewie2070
@stewie2070 Год назад
regular chalk > liquid
@bebop504
@bebop504 3 года назад
1:57 You can't call yourself a lifter until you've hit your head on a barbell at least once.
@zekrinealfa1113
@zekrinealfa1113 3 года назад
@@ProxyAuthenticationRequired i have done the first but not the second.
@RyanAl92
@RyanAl92 2 года назад
Ugh! Three years of lifting and I've never hit my head on a barbell. Alan, what am I doing wrong?! 😞
@zekicaneksi
@zekicaneksi 2 года назад
@@RyanAl92 squats that i hype myself for, i usually hit my head to the fucking bar 1/4 of the time
@RyanAl92
@RyanAl92 2 года назад
@@zekicaneksi I'm missing out on those head bump gains. They add more 3D mass for that swolesome look.
@zekicaneksi
@zekicaneksi 2 года назад
@@RyanAl92 gotta shock the central nervous system just before the lift
@Robo0595
@Robo0595 3 года назад
I've been powerlifting for 6 years. Why am I watching a strap tutorial? Oh right, cuz it's Alan.
@koftehorgg5532
@koftehorgg5532 3 года назад
Pantera- Cowboys From Hell, Alice in Chains - Them Bones, Primus- John the Fisherman and Tool- Sober. Excellent music taste right there, would be a delight to train in that gym
@charlesdada6434
@charlesdada6434 3 года назад
This video gave short-shrift to Versa-Grips. I love mine. Versa-Grips are quick to apply to the bar, work extremely well assisting with lat pull-downs, and greatly reduce callouses on your palms. They also can be cinched down to act as wrist support straps. Alas, Alan Thrall says he disfavors VersaGrips, but does not say why. Another thing: Rippetoe says cotton lifting straps are junk, and to use seatbelt material.
@jacobrymer5268
@jacobrymer5268 3 года назад
I'm really disappointed there was no replay when you bonked your head.
@anthonyokeefe3784
@anthonyokeefe3784 3 года назад
Parkway in the background, yes!
@Canuckrz
@Canuckrz 3 года назад
Next video: Lifting Belts - When & Why? feat. Clarence Kennedy
@nickvoelker7180
@nickvoelker7180 3 года назад
I'm thinking about Bedazzling my straps. Trying to up my gym swagger.
@jdawg1835
@jdawg1835 3 года назад
I appreciated the advice about not waiting until the bar feels like its slipping from your grip to strap up. I have always used this as my indicator for when to wear straps. I will be changing that in the future. I mostly use straps for farmers walks these days, and I usually use the figure 8 type on a trap bar for these.
@JackgarPrime
@JackgarPrime 3 года назад
1:57 Bonk
@vinnygranata8363
@vinnygranata8363 3 года назад
Underrated comment already*
@saatwiksingh
@saatwiksingh 3 года назад
Hope he is ok
@BluegillGreg
@BluegillGreg 3 года назад
Ouch!
@kevinpatrick3590
@kevinpatrick3590 3 года назад
I do that probably twice a week 😂
@JackgarPrime
@JackgarPrime 3 года назад
Oh man, now I realize that my wrapping technique has been quite poor. I was wrapping it over itself. So probably been making things harder on myself when I shouldn't have.
@johnmadison4040
@johnmadison4040 3 года назад
It’s crazy how you can be lifting for years and a small thing like that you just completely overlook. I’ve been doing the same thing
@GalickGon
@GalickGon 3 года назад
I remember watching a video where Mark bell suggested to do this. I did it for some time and was able to deadlift way heavier than my normal grip ofc. But now I feel like I cheated myself by not just wrapping it normal and forcing my grip to get some extra work.
@flabio7074
@flabio7074 3 года назад
@@GalickGon what’s normal about wrapping it over? It defeats the purpose.
@JackgarPrime
@JackgarPrime 3 года назад
@@flabio7074 Yeah I didn't realize why that was bad until this video pointed out that you're making the bar thicker and therefore tougher for no benefit. Not sure why Mark Bell would suggest that, though...
@GalickGon
@GalickGon 3 года назад
@@flabio7074 for myself, it eliminated grip issues by making it secured to my wrist better. The problem was I was never working on my grip and just ego lifting so I never addressed the root of the issue. The double wrap I think is better for situations you really don’t want grip to mess you up.
@user-fj2or3xp2c
@user-fj2or3xp2c 3 года назад
Videos just keep getting better . Old school with class keep providing us more with information .
@defenderoftheadverb
@defenderoftheadverb 3 года назад
I used them when I had golfers elbow for any exercise that required gripping and pulling. I could get away with a much lighter grip and it didn't aggravate my tendonitis.
@juckexD
@juckexD 3 года назад
I love how the "oldschool metalhead" alan is repping parkway drive in the background
@youngcalisthenics
@youngcalisthenics 3 месяца назад
Real, it's awesome!
@ryanoverton4576
@ryanoverton4576 3 года назад
Happy to see Ben the Wizard included here. He's one of my favorite internet strong guys.
@BluegillGreg
@BluegillGreg 3 года назад
I’ve used all the above except figure 8s. These days for RDLs I start warmups with Overhand, go to Hook as the weight goes up, then to Versa Grips. Pulling from the floor I do warmups the same way, but on a heavy set I do a few reps OH, a few HG, a couple OH, a couple HG, etc (takes less than a second to switch grip). This really extends my grip endurance. Then I go to Versa Grips. I do like to progress reps and weight on both the unstrapped and strapped parts of the series. I use a 28mm raw stainless WL bar with a great knurl, this really helps. Also, training hookgrip deadlift makes me really confident of my hookgrip at the lesser weight of cleans and snatches. Versa Grips are handy for weighted pull-ups, too. That’s originally why I got them.
@furezj
@furezj 3 года назад
Hook-grip, baby. Let the rest of the gym know that "This guy F&%cks. "
@olynmus100
@olynmus100 3 года назад
you think hook grip makes you a hardman buddy
@victor5949
@victor5949 3 года назад
@@olynmus100 It does
@kjfdfs4327
@kjfdfs4327 3 года назад
Oh yes youre so badass because you love hurting yourself for no reason
@olynmus100
@olynmus100 3 года назад
Ive met many of them through the years, hardmen in groups, men that grows in numbers, but when on their own and confronted in a similar situation, cowers away
@Jnikola97
@Jnikola97 3 года назад
@@kjfdfs4327 you just need to get used to hook grip, after few sessions discomfort and pain goes away
@WeiderMystic
@WeiderMystic 6 месяцев назад
just started using straps for deadlift because i injured my left middle finger, popped a tendon at the base, so i appreciate this video
@dangerdave138
@dangerdave138 Год назад
oof that head banger at just before 2:00, thanks for the great content alan
@Dudeatrix
@Dudeatrix 3 года назад
Upset there was no Eric Bugenhagen
@27bixler
@27bixler 3 года назад
Always intelligent quality content. Keep it up, man.
@greghill158
@greghill158 3 года назад
Very informative, thanks! Straps are also really useful for barbell shrugs, if anyone still does those.
@ssholum
@ssholum 3 года назад
I use hook grip when not using straps (depends on how I'm feeling, but usually up until my last warmup set). I use Versa Gripps for my working sets. They're a lot easier for me to get in place than regular straps. I don't compete in any strength sports, so I'm not all that concerned about training my grip while doing deadlifts.
@jmac6973
@jmac6973 3 года назад
PLEASE do more videos like this. most informative video on this topic out there.
@azngamer16
@azngamer16 3 года назад
This is a fantastic video Alan. I used to never use straps. However, my hands get so torn up that it’s painful to deadlift effectively. On my heavy singles/doubles days, I don’t use straps. I use straps on every accessory and high rep days to save my grip for the heavy days
@MrPtrlix
@MrPtrlix Год назад
Using straps on curls, with getting them twice over the bar, is actually amazing. Almost completely takes the forearm out of the movement, and it's great for those like me who has a problem building a mind connection to the biceps.
@Ryan-gx6zi
@Ryan-gx6zi 3 года назад
A surprise to see both Brian and Big Loz in the same video, but a welcome one.
@antoniocenteno1483
@antoniocenteno1483 3 года назад
*"My Hands and fingers are my strap"* - Mark Felix (Arguably never said it, but sure he think of it)
@dandandan389
@dandandan389 3 года назад
That guy has some big mitts, I felt like a little kid shaking his hand!
@Pompomatic
@Pompomatic 3 года назад
Alan: I used the mixed grip so much so that I developed an uneven back to the point that I could feel it while laying on a bench. Also Alan: 1:00
@Akileshg1
@Akileshg1 2 года назад
glad someone mentioned it!
@dirkdirkenson1941
@dirkdirkenson1941 3 года назад
You’re the most credible man in RU-vid fitness! Always appreciate the uploads
@James-yz2ew
@James-yz2ew 3 года назад
Cracking soundtrack to this one - Them Bones, and was that Davidian right at the end?
@JonathanSotoSotomedicen
@JonathanSotoSotomedicen 3 года назад
Love this style of video.
@gorude666
@gorude666 3 года назад
oh wow i just tested my 1rm yesterday and dropped the deadlift cuz i forgot to bring my straps while my legs and lower back felt completely fine lol.. what a crazy timing that this video was uploaded today!
@warchimp9821
@warchimp9821 3 года назад
Should I use straps with one THOUSAND POUND tire🤔
@jetjames420
@jetjames420 3 года назад
Loved the candito feature! I did not see that coming
@Inane5533
@Inane5533 3 года назад
1:29 Parkway Drive - Wild Eyes in the background.
@jesussanchez5951
@jesussanchez5951 3 года назад
Great video! because of this video, I figured out that I have been using lifting straps wrong about 50% of the time. I would sometimes have them on backwards, and not having it running cross my thumb
@mediabuzz8952
@mediabuzz8952 3 года назад
So straightforward and knowledgeable
@jasondoman5142
@jasondoman5142 3 года назад
Really appreciate this video never really used straps all that much in the past prefer raw but I think my grip is becoming a limiting factor. ty for this information love all the content you've put over the years
@Vain4223
@Vain4223 3 года назад
Didn't you yourself, Alan, experience shoulder asymmetry using mixed grip which is why you switched to hook grip?
@marcstauden456
@marcstauden456 3 года назад
The way to implement several opinions is a great way to discuss a topic!!! Maybe keeping that in moving on.
@andr1
@andr1 3 года назад
As a hook grip deadlifter, i do my training mostly with straps and when i max out i use hook grip without any issues, main reasoning is i dont want to kill my thumbs needlessly because it is rather painful going over 2 reps with hook grip
@brandonlanderos2805
@brandonlanderos2805 2 года назад
Isn’t it hard to get accustomed to hook grip then?
@baconfromhell666
@baconfromhell666 2 года назад
When talking about different types of grip, straps and all that, that you should also mention chalk. I get a good 40-50 pounds extra out of my double overhand deadlift when using chalk, so it can often be a good alternative to straps.
@aditya.khapre
@aditya.khapre 3 года назад
Need an Untamed Strength Spotify playlist!!!
@thedonutdestroyer85
@thedonutdestroyer85 3 года назад
I feel like I learned a lot from this video, great info!
@onerider808
@onerider808 3 года назад
Interesting. I try not to use straps, and definitely limit the weight I could pull, but my grip strength is coming up because I don’t use them. Thanks! Great to hear from others...
@zerrodefex
@zerrodefex 8 месяцев назад
I had that attitude until I gave myself a case of tendonitis.
@tydupont8084
@tydupont8084 3 года назад
I was glad to see someone using the Sew Easy Straps. For the price, they’re the best.
@ianaird1868
@ianaird1868 3 года назад
can we just appreciate at 5:00 we got to faintly hear northlane....there are many reasons we all watch this channel, trying to figure out the music in the background is the main reason
@vict3071
@vict3071 3 года назад
Faaaaaaaaaaaaaak, love the Testament Legacy Banner. 1989 Chuck Landis' Country Club. Chuck Billy's voice was so loud, people heard it all the way in Northridge California.
@losk.s6555
@losk.s6555 2 года назад
I’m happy to do mixed grip for the rest of my life, I love it. But I’m scared of a bicep tear, that would ruin my life. I can’t afford to take that risk especially as I get stronger. It’s time for straps 😔
@codydurham9802
@codydurham9802 3 года назад
1:56 for head boop
@y.cortez657
@y.cortez657 3 года назад
GREAT VIDEO...‼👍🏼
@benjamin3615
@benjamin3615 2 года назад
I use straps anywhere my grip is not the main focus. I train my comp deadlift without and use hook grip and then mixed when my thumb gets too chewed up. Things like shrugs, RDLs, barbell rows and other exercises were my grip will be my limiting factor I will use them.
@TornikeMzhavia
@TornikeMzhavia 3 года назад
would love the same video about the knee sleeves
@TehRealChruZ
@TehRealChruZ 3 года назад
1:57 i felt that
@gamebrotherhood
@gamebrotherhood 3 года назад
Hey Alan, in this video you say that mixed grip does not cause muscle imbalences, but in the past you said that you had muscle inbalance in your back, because you used mixed grip, to the point were you felt that one side of your traps was more developed then the other. I dont mean no hate my question is, if the mixed grip does not cause imbalances, then what caused your inbalance?
@ysosirius8470
@ysosirius8470 3 года назад
think he said it was a broken collarbone
@dougmcleod3413
@dougmcleod3413 3 года назад
Alice in Chains Them Bones Playing in the background towards the end... followed by machine head, i wish they played this music at my gym :D
@skyekingdom0
@skyekingdom0 3 года назад
figure 8's work the best for me, equal tightness on both hands.. normal straps it's hard to get that equal tightness
@tzahi12370
@tzahi12370 3 года назад
On heavy shrugs and deadlift ( less than 5 reps) I'm using straps.( Ironmind straps is great)
@matthollub4977
@matthollub4977 9 месяцев назад
I'm surprised you don't like Versa Gripps (maybe your opinion has changed since this video). It did look like you were using them incorrectly in this video, the strap that holds the bar should be pointing down into your hand, not pointing up to your forearms, and the bar should be between your hand and the strap. I use them for my hypertrophy training and find them to be a great tool for any exercise that grip could be a limiting factor. I've also used straps for many years, but these are way faster to use. Cheers man, great content, and happy holidays.
@ChiefPoopypants
@ChiefPoopypants 3 года назад
Started using hook grip about a month ago. Painful as hell at first, and had to go down in weight a bit to get used to it, but can already tell it's helping.
@bmstylee
@bmstylee 3 года назад
Hook grip is a pass for me. As a piano player I need my thumbs.
@ClayHales
@ClayHales 3 года назад
Thumb tape is amazing. Can recommend.
@rickybeckley7495
@rickybeckley7495 3 года назад
@@bmstylee the pain goes away trust me. You just gotta get past that month of pain
@bmstylee
@bmstylee 3 года назад
@@rickybeckley7495 It probably does but it crushes the nerves in the thumb. I need the sensitivity in my thumbs to play.
@ChiefPoopypants
@ChiefPoopypants 3 года назад
@@ClayHales oh yeah, good call, hadn't thought about that!
@fredrichardson9761
@fredrichardson9761 4 месяца назад
Late comment - I finally got some straps! My DL is pretty low - my top set now is 4 reps at 325lb - but I always do a drop set after 3 working sets and that's where grip strength is a problem. I'm also thinking they would be great for an aux DL day of Romanian, stiff leg, tap & go or just higher volume sets.
@zesky6654
@zesky6654 2 года назад
Ok, so something that probably should have been mentioned is that some people (like me), need to use straps to compensate for injuries/dissabilities. I for example have a paralyzed index finger on my right hand which means I'm holding onto the bar with about 3 fingers. Before I started using straps I could lift maybe 70kg before my right hand would just give up. After getting them I have been able to push the limit without feeling like the bar is going to rip my right hand off.
@bammatthews9092
@bammatthews9092 3 года назад
I do small strongman shows. I only use straps on high reps deadlifting in competition. In training I will use them for heavy rows training of my hands are beat up. But its helped my grip alot in competition not using them much.
@fancyhitchpin8675
@fancyhitchpin8675 3 года назад
This sound track is extra 90's awesome.
@Jmack7861
@Jmack7861 3 года назад
I’ve never had grip issues, even when using them exclusively during entire training blocks. It prevents my hands from tearing so much, and is just easier in general
@陈翠苹
@陈翠苹 2 года назад
the background music at 12:30 is: psychotic break, from Jerry Cantrell!!!
@youngcalisthenics
@youngcalisthenics 3 месяца назад
For anyone wondering what song is playing at 1:23, it's Wild Eyes by Parkway Drive.
@parth9313
@parth9313 3 года назад
i was that guy who used to fidget around with straps for 2 mins before the lift lol good i watched this video😆😆
@lukepritchard3897
@lukepritchard3897 3 года назад
Thanks guys, great informative video.
@ToxicChaos115
@ToxicChaos115 2 года назад
Nice Playlist:)
@Ashpkfmdmdmdmd
@Ashpkfmdmdmdmd 3 года назад
1:00 wait what do you mean it doesn't build muscle imbalance despite to contrary popular belief? Didnt you make a video that you felt that your trap muscle is imbalance just by sleeping, laying on your back?
@baileys6346
@baileys6346 2 года назад
Ben Claridad's comment about self-work had me laughing pretty hard
@brentnahmias44
@brentnahmias44 3 года назад
I can't suppinate completely without massive shoulder/elbow pain so its all hook/straps for me
@above_average_fit
@above_average_fit 3 года назад
@Alan Thrall may need a helmet tutorial soon 01:56-:01:58
@gantoniopatriarca9520
@gantoniopatriarca9520 3 года назад
With the way that you explained how to use the strap, I kept expecting to hear you yell: The next movement that I will name, demonstrate, and conduct practical exercise on is applying the lifting strap.
@felipecarvalho9440
@felipecarvalho9440 Год назад
Alan once said that mixed grip cause imbalances, he change his mind? Im failing reps and dont know what to do. The transition for another grip is a problem, cause if you do only in the last set, you are trainig enough.
@gregorymccoy6797
@gregorymccoy6797 3 года назад
Strapped for time but still watched.
@aaronmcdevitt1166
@aaronmcdevitt1166 3 года назад
Cobra Grips are super easy and work well. I use them since I dislocated a finger and my grip isn't back where it was.
@maggiecallahan935
@maggiecallahan935 3 года назад
1:57 😂😂😂
@chrislosm
@chrislosm 3 года назад
Why didn’t you guys gave Coath Blaha as a guest!?!
@jamesperez6785
@jamesperez6785 3 года назад
amazing video! very helpful..can you do one for wrist wraps as well please? :D
@parkerrish9024
@parkerrish9024 3 года назад
Use them For everything! Power!!
@jlalonde1000
@jlalonde1000 3 года назад
ummm did i just see BiG LOZ row 620 lbs
@GleaMDMK
@GleaMDMK 3 года назад
I can't wait for (UK) lockdown to be over and hit the gym again :'(
@moshuunderwater2624
@moshuunderwater2624 3 года назад
it won't end invest in a home gym
@mandy7674
@mandy7674 3 года назад
@@moshuunderwater2624 Great advice...do you have a spare £1000 I could borrow so I can buy x2 1kg dumbbells hehe
@lukedocherty2855
@lukedocherty2855 3 года назад
It’s very sad isn’t it 😞
@moshuunderwater2624
@moshuunderwater2624 3 года назад
@@mandy7674 maybe try saving up lol
@moshuunderwater2624
@moshuunderwater2624 3 года назад
@R B if you can't honestly see the cycle we are going in right now then i wouldn't blame you on having hope that gyms will open again
@jonatasnobrega2676
@jonatasnobrega2676 3 года назад
Could you explain someday the difference among bars? Deadlift barbel, elephant barbel, Oly Lifting barbel etc and there use? Why a deadlift world record is so polemic if the athlet use a elephant barbel, for example
@iannielsen4651
@iannielsen4651 3 года назад
Did he say strap in or strap on?
@UrbanLegend2k11
@UrbanLegend2k11 3 года назад
Like 50Cent said "Yeah... Yeah... Go get the strap!"
@wehavetherecipes
@wehavetherecipes 3 года назад
Thanks Alan
@joel5956
@joel5956 3 года назад
I use mixed grip and I'm paranoid about losing grip strength so pretty much every deadlift set is without straps. I only use straps when my hands are cut up, but that doesn't happen often. I feel for people in bad situations though. I used to lift at a gym that didn't allow chalk and only had these crappy multi-bars with soft knurling. Holding on to the bar was way harder.
@Xplora213
@Xplora213 3 года назад
Get another gym. 🤷‍♂️ Funnily enough though, if you have good bars (Rogue deadlift bar for example) then you don’t need chalk as much if you aren’t big dogging 400+ pounds
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