LIGHTROOM ... IS IT WORTH IT? WHY WOULD ANYONE USE IT? 

I use both Lightroom Classic and Lightroom. What I like about Lightroom Mobile is that what I do is saved across all my devices.

Some good content in there Glyn, especially the portrait!! 😅

Great pictures! I've tried both, but for now, I'm sticking with Lightroom CC. Thanks for sharing all these details!

Thanks for the video. I don't use the "cloud thingy" because I had no idea it was so interesting. I had no idea it had this preset functionality and I agree with you that could be compelling. I might have to learn how to use it!

Hello Glyn. I only use LrC without exception. I turn my folders into collections in order to be able to sync with Lr mobile devices. But the thing about presets catches my interest big time. Never considered so far. Just realised they also work on my mobile devices 😬Thanks a lot for sharing!

I dip into LR “cloud thingy” for pretty much the same reasons you do: sync to/from iPad and explore interesting presets. One thing you didn’t mention that I particularly like is that one only has to hover over the preset to see what sliders will be moved. Super fast way to learn (as you point out) without having to apply the preset and then undo, then try the next one, and so on.

You explained it well; you made it very easy to understand.

Thanx for your great content, Glyn. For I mostly edit my photos on Lr mobile and especially cause itˋs a pain in the ar** syncing the presets, I donˋt edit in Lr(CC) anymore and rarely in LrC. I cannot understand, why Adobe doesnˋt seem to put any effort at all to fixing this sync-mess once and forever!!! That nothing but a shame! Keep on going, Glyn… Regards, Achim

Lr Classic - maybe that'll change in the future but as you say the difference between the two versions is not close enough to make it easy enough + the whole cloud synch is TFH. Also, Lr Classic suits my workflow, which harks back to my analogue days, where there's a time and place to edit and post process. For example, using SilverEFEX Pro for B&W. Keep on keeping on Glyn, you're videos are fantastic.

I realise this is a while after but came across this video while searching after listening to Matt K’s podcast about Classic’s days possibly being numbered and Lightroom (CC) taking over - not for a few years yet mind. Thank you for pointing out some of the distinctive benefits of both!

I only use Lr for cloud. It is simply more intuative and build from the ground. I have 3 TB adobe cloud, and I know it will always be backup in the cloud. I then also let Lr sync a local copy to hdd. What I like is sharing options, it so easy to share with customers. my workflow is 100% faster. They can pick their photos, i edit, and the keep the link forever. Further more is AI much more comprehensive. try to search on “car” - then you get all the pictures with a car even without tagging them. i am not going back to classic even it has some more functions. I predict that Lr is the future vs. classic.😮

Glyn Great and informative again!! Iv been in LR since Vr2.0 the days of CD purchases in 2008 and survived all the changes as most all have. Adobe had a bit of rough water there but made tough changes for those not heavily into the serious pro catalog functions. I use the LrC catalog since 08 and dabble in the CC Cloud or what ever we want to call It these days. Question I’d love to set my 2 grandsons up w LR the cloud. Can LR cloud be purchased as a stand alone app? It’s joined to my LrC subscription but can it be a stand alone app?

I use it for for the presets and organizing. It’s easy to just import with LR, and bounce the good shots out to PS. And I use the camera raw filter way more than LR when making adjustments. PS masks are easier and there’s way more flexibility, especially when paired with camera raw.

Interesting about the presets. I haven't explored those much, even though I've been a Lightroom user since it came out. I've relied more on third party plugins, especially for b&w processing. I only use Lightroom Classic and Mobile. I think I used Lightroom CC once to edit something I shot with my phone and I wanted a bigger screen to edit it. But when I go out to do bird photography, I'll come home with 100s of 50MB photos, I can't imagine the point of trying to edit all of those on-line. I agree what is the point of LightroomCC, especially for a guy like me that doesn't use presets that much. Mobile is pretty handy though. If I have my bird lens on but I want to capture a landscape photo, I just whip out my iPhone and shoot in RAW with Lightroom and then edit it on my iPad later.

I use LrC on my desktop because it s easier for me to manage my photos and I don’t have to worry about running out of storage. I use LR and LR mobile for quick edits on the go when using my iPhone. There are a few road blocks but so far my system works for what I do. Thank you for the video as always.

I find Lightroom Classic slow on my computer and it has been for years. The alternative for me is Darktable. This in combination with Photoshop/Camera Raw works perfectly for me. I don't use any presets except 1 I made myself to approximate the colors from my camera.

I wish that we knew Adobes vision for the future of Lightroom... Is Lightroom CC just meant for the casual photographer? Or was it created to eventually be the successor to Lightroom Classic? I think that Lightroom CC looks like a cleaner more modern interface, but it lacks some of the features that professionals utilize that are found in Lightroom Classic. And maybe its just me, but I hate the fact that my collection sets that are created in Lightroom classic do not sync over to Lightroom CC. It just shows each individual collection, but they are not nested within a set. You then have to go into Lightroom CC and manually create a folder for them. Why do we have different terminology between the two versions of Lightroom and why don't these just automatically sync correctly between the two versions?

this is helpful thank verymuch

Some good ideas there. Classic & photoshop in my case , worked for a SaaS company for 14 years , which may drive some of my behaviors

I use Bridge which has Adobe Camera Raw. ACR has presets, masks, and orientation correction. In addition, Bridge has a renaming utility. It's plenty for my level of interest.

I've been a LrC user ever since it was released (used Raw Shooter before that which Adobe bought out for their technology that eventually morphed into Lightroom.) I would love to use LR Mobile more, but cloud storage is always an issue for me. I truly don't understand why Adobe doesn't offer a storage level somewhere between the 20GB default and the 1TB level.

Just discovered your channel from the hdmi cable video. Have out my display port cable in favour of my hdmi! Ignorance is bliss 😂

Hi Glyn…I only use the LR Creative Cloud version on my Mac, iPhone and iPad. I was looking for a comprehensive application that would sync and store my images and edits across multiple devices in the cloud. At $9.99 per month for 1TB of storage is a bargain. I’m fairly new to editing in the last couple of years, having tried Apple Photos, Darkroom and Google Snapseed. Lightroom Cloud/Mobile/Web fits the bill at this stage in my experience.

Thanks for this Glyn. I didn't know about the presets. I would really like to have one integrated system with mobile and PC so that I could take pictures in the field, edit them on my iPad and sync them up to LR on my PC. There are two reasons I don't do this 1) I already use Google's cloud and have all my photos synced across devices. I don't want to pay for Adobe's cloud in addition to Google. 2) I'm often working with slow Internet speeds. It's not practical to upload all my photos to the cloud. With the Google cloud, I can store the photos locally on my devices and then sync them when I've got the bandwidth. This doesn't appear to be an option with the LR mobile ecosystem. My wish would be that Adobe stop being greedy for once and let customers use their preferred cloud vendor for photo syncing between devices. An offline feature would be nice. Also, I wish that Adobe would maintain consistency across LR versions, especially albums/collections. It's crazy that you have all the great smart collection functionality with LRC, but a dumbed down album setup on LRCC. Don't the development teams talk to one another?

I am using both to have my LRC edits available on my phone in a Collection.

Hello just found your channel, new to editing photos, no disrespect but I was totally confused by light room, light room classic and LCC. Anyway more learning on my part. Looking in the App Store I only see one Lightroom app. This comment might be irrelevant as I watch more of your videos, cheers Vancouver island Canada

I only use CC or Cloud when I travel with just my iPad and a portable SSD. I use the iPad to offload photos from my SD cards to the SSD. From there, I sync them in a temporary folder to iCloud as a a just in case backup. Then, I select a few good photos from the day for a quick edit in Lightroom mobile and possible social media post. Once I get home, I use the SSD to import all my travel photos into Lightroom Classic. I then clean out my Adobe cloud storage (I only have the 20 GB of the Photography Plan), my iCloud storage, and proceed with my normal 3-2-1 backup strategy for the photos. Once I confirm the Time Machine and Backblaze backups are complete, I can get rid of the Adobe and iCloud storage (and reuse the SD cards if necessary.)

Thanks for the video. I do not use LR CC much as I don't use presets much at all. I also don't want to have to pay Amazon for cloud storage.

Because I started using Lr Mobile some time ago, I occasionally use Lr on the desktop, I don't really use LrC much at all, as I tend to use Luminar Neo on the desktop. Rightly or wrongly, I decided to subscribe to the Adobe Creative Photography package for the extra features on Lr Mobile and because I thought I'd like to get to know PS, however I've hardly used PS at all. 🤷🏼‍♂️ I'm not a pro BTW, just an enthusiastic amateur.

I've been using Lightroom Classic since the very beginning, and it has been an invaluable tool for my final output, creating presets, and making precise micro adjustments. As for Photoshop, it has always been my go-to for editing and more intricate adjustments. I completely understand your frustrations with the new Lightroom CC, and I share those concerns as well. However, once I took the time to understand and adapt to the cloud and mobile workflows, I found them to be quite useful. The Photography package that includes Photoshop and Lightroom is the only thing I need, although I do have to pay a bit extra for cloud storage. But let me tell you, having the ability to work on my clients' images on my iPad while I'm on the road has been an absolute game changer for me. It has truly enhanced my productivity and workflow. Thanks again for another great video!

I dont use Lightroom at all, your videos are always inspirational Glyn thank you

Thanks, I wasn’t aware of the LRcc preset features. But I see all the user-generated presets on my ipad & most are junk. I use Classic version only

When i started my photography journey a couple of years ago, I followed a lot of content creators. Now that I have my own style, I pretty much only watch Glyn. I use capture one instead of LR. Theres just something about c1 and Sony color science. Its different, and i cant explain it, but its better than LR. Great video still

I had the exact same issues with CC.. Never got why they would change shortcuts, workflow and even some edit panels (calibration correction). But love the presets handling, sharing and editing curve on your image (especially on mobile) from cc.. I wish they would just stop the internal fight and merge. But only bring the good stuff from cc to classic and leave out the obviously stupid changes pls. Btw the book module is the greatest miss adobe has made not being able to have custom sizes, flexible typography and more european quality printers. Just give us an 'Indesign LE'. Proper background, layout and type control would be awesome and game changing. The one big advantage of making books in lightroom gives you above all others, is the possiblity to work with raw up and till print, so you can change colours, recrop, sharpen or swap with just that second image you discarded before. But current system is just to limited.

I do 100% of my import and picking in LRCC on my iPad and then let them sync to my desktop from where I can do further work or use PS as needed. The new export changes in LRCC are daft. I used to be able to share to camera roll (handy for Instagram) now much more complicated.

As discussed with you the other day I'll be using 'Mobile' soon - but I'm still trying to get my head around the difference between that and "cc cloud thing". I thought I had it straight in my head - Lightroom Classic was the Lightroom equivalent of full Photoshop; Lightroom Mobile was the Lightroom equivalent of Photoshop Elements (i.e. cut down). But Mobile has mobile syncing and Classic doesn't... or it does but it syncs with Mobile... and then there's CC Cloud Thing.... aaargh. Back to the drawing board for my little brain!

I use CC exclusively. Since I'm always taking photos with my phone, more than ever since I got a Samsung Galaxy S 23 Ultra, CC provides me the opportunity to edit anywhere that I want, anytime that I want. Truthfully, I never liked Lightroom Classic. My thought process is that since I can do everything in Photoshop, why not just use Photoshop. When Lightroom became available on the phone, that changed everything. And it retains full resolution.

Hello Glyn. I only use Lr classic for my editing. A picture with the iPhone stays in the phone, no need to work on it, except for few adjustments. As for the other versions of LR, for me they are useless, I don’t care about sync. Best from France 😊

Lightroom Classic is a formal Adobe application nomenclature. What is called here Lightroom CC and Lightroom CC Cloud are not Adobe current nomenclatures. Formally, the application name is simply Lightroom. Adobe dropped the CC nomenclature years ago.

I only use LR Classic for most of the reasons other have listed. I rarely use Lightroom (cloud)

As Ron Paulk points out that Adobe has messed about with its wording / naming etc. I've been using Lightroom desk top (to simplify things) for just over 10 years now ? For the 'catalogue ' and editing initially and now for the synchronisation between the variations in Lr; for me every day is a school day with this program ..... I was looking for a way to "slow you down 😅" to enable me to digest a lot of which you discussed 🤣🤣🤣 .... thanks for this ...

I've got LR CC installed on my laptop but never use it. I'm a dyed in the wool LR Classic and PS user. 😀

I use Classic. Seems to have more functionality... but mostly, because I keep all photos 100s of thousands on my local drives/raids/etc...Also.. plugins... not sure the cloud version does everything I want...

I've always used Lightroom CC :) Its far simpler, and easy to get going.. I dont see why i should go to classic, honestly.. (And more and more features are comming to CC)

I mostly use PS + Camera Raw + Capture One. For my iphone I use LR thingy.

ki d of inspirational video on Lrc

Adobe must eventually sync shortcuts across their photo editing platforms now Lightroom is being promoted as a browser

I've been thinking of staring to use Lightroom, and this video probably put me off completely. Now I'm not clear what are all the differences are between versions, why are there different ones? Plus, I really don't want to pay a monthly fee anyway, and I don't want to save my files to an Adobe cloud either. I tried ON1 a couple of years ago, and it was way too complicated to even save an image. Ah well. I'll keep looking.

Classic all the way, and only mobile when I remember and want a more control over a iPhone photo.

LOL... I use PS everyday for hours. I've only used LR (desktop) a few times. Thanks for opening my eyes. I might give it more of a try, but I'm pretty deep in C1.

Lightroom was merely a cheap, basic photo editing alternative to the expensive PS. Now that it is a subscription service and you get LR and PS for the same fee I don't see the point of LR. I can work better and faster with Adobe Bridge (I can use this for organising all of the media within my Creative Cloud apps), ACR and PS. Also if I have to move files I don't have the problem you have with LR. If you move a file outside of LR, LR loses the link/index and you have to re-establish it. With Bridge, etc I can move and create files using MS Explorer and I can get to them without having to index them.

Very rarely use LR cloud thingy. Too confusing, too different and seems to be a very cut down version IMO but that’s probably because I gave up trying to work out how to do something that is easy in “real” LR 😊

I use Lightroom mobile, or whatever it’s called. I do this mainly because my my iPad for editing. My laptop can’t cope anymore.

Great videos Glyn. I can't stand the schizophrenic behaviors of Adobe in regards to Photoshop-Lightroom-Ligtroom CC, Clasic, Clasic CC or whatever their names keep changing to. First the different shortcuts. From Photoshop to Lightroom we had to learn separate shortcuts. Then they came up with the new Lightroom, that no one asked for....and here we go...different shortcuts again. Then Lightroom Mobile, guess what your collections are not collections anymore, now they are albums or whatever name they come up with just not to be- collections. Its like we are dealing with idiots that suffer with schizophrenia. Then instead on working on our presets to synch (simply by creating in the presets options little toggle - synch presets, we have to deal with exporting and importing and different workarounds. ....its a fucking nightmare from company that has been working on these things for years and this is the best confusing strategy they come up with.. When things are not syncing from the cloud to my tablet in the background and I am missing 20 GB customer support at Adobe told me why do you need all these photos on your tablet anyways? ? Not a joke...I wish they fixed Lightroom Classic interface and skipped the CC all together. We should not need to 4 different Lightrooms to do a simple job to synch photos between desktop and mobile, no mater how nice those presets are in the new lightroom

Glyn, at 5:04 minutes, you refer to "Back in LrCC, Presets"...and refer to..."Recommended...", do you suppose that feature will ever be in LrClassic? Love preset...no CC or Cloud...thanks...

I use it to deliver images to my kid@/ sports teams via Adobe Cloud. Because Lightroom Classic Doesn’t have that functionality…👀

regarding photography, Lightroom has a really good workflow. i've done several multithousand $ satisfied customer weddings, all developed entirely in Lightroom. the source (SOOC) has to be decent or good of course. i think many photogrpahers use Photoshop as a crutch, rather than a s a tool.

For any serious editing you will need Photoshop. The 2023 version is mindblowing

Lightroom Classic for me.

PS too difficult for me. I want simple things that work. But LR stinks at that content aware (delete a lamp post f ex). Simple things just ends up with a "blurry smudgy" area everytime I use it :(

Exposure 7 is my goto

What about printing a photo book not using the default blurb..?

Just use light room cc plus photo shop thanks to your book 😊

Just Classic for me

Can’t you export the photos you want to put in a book?

TBH Glyn, I don't have it installed. I hate the whole syncing thing (because I don't quite get it) and don't want to pay for another cloud service so I just stick with the included 20GB but my photo library is stored in Onedrive. I don't do a lot with presets but probably should ..,

Personally, I use both rather frequently, preferring ‘mobile’. I spend a lot of time on out of town assignments and LR mobile on my iPad Pros has been a home run for me, with a few caveats. The main problem is that of course dependence upon a decent internet connection, thankfully this has yet to be much of an issue…yet. While I do take along a portable 2TB SSD for storage, as of yet, you can not edit from an external drive with iOS, hopefully Apple will address in a few weeks at WWDC (though I am not holding my breath). I did the MacBook thing’ for years when traveling, frankly I have no desire to go back down that road, I carry too much photo gear as it is, a laptop is just not an option, when a much lighter 12in iPad Pro fits the bill. With Apple announcing Logic and Final Cut Pro for the iPad, I am hoping that 3rd parties like Adobe will jump on the band bandwagon, I would love to see Adobe beef up LRCC’s specs to match what Classic offers, after all that is (was) the plan, a cloud based version of LRc, thus far unrealized. Or, dare we wish for it….an LRc for the iPad, now that would be something that I could definitely get behind, hell, I’ve been screaming for it ever since the M1 iPads were announced. I love LRc, it has a number of features and tools that CC does not have, that I use frequently, the new Denoise (missing from Mobile), HDR/Pano and the rumoured Removal Tool now available in PS Beta, a far superior option than their current offerings, I am very much impressed, I suspect this will be ported over to LRc and possibly CC once testing is completed, at least I hope so. My issue with Classic hit home the other day when two my my backup Seagate 8th hds dismounted, one was fine but the other had uninitialized, which meant erasing and formatting. So now the task of copying the images (100k+) to that drive is underway . At the end of the day, all # versions of LR have their positives and negatives. Which do I prefer….? Well, editing on my iPad Pro, syncing an image to LRc for additional work if needed, is my first choice, for obvious reasons, while not perfect by any means, for the most part, it gets the job done. Aside from PS, I cut my editing teeth on LRc back in the mid 80s, so it is an old friend, a friend that needs to expand, hopefully to iOS, also, LRCC on my Mac in a nice backup to Classic should my drives go south, I can still get work done. At this point they all my favourites, hard to choose, all 3 versions fill a certain niche in my workflow.

One thing I do not like is this 'import' system. Id much preferer a menu system that just shoes my drives and folders and I can open the image from there.

Only LrC, but I even don't use much presets.

Let's not forget about plugins. Something like ImagenAI and Loupedeck. This makes "modern" Lr quite useless

I can here searching for 'worth' as in 'price'

You have just echoed by own feelings perfectly Glyn. I use Light Room Classic and can't imagine why anyone would bother with its confusingly,c(stupidly?) named and to out of sync with common commands to use and, underpowered , poor country cousin Light Room CC. I guess it just shows that even the smartest of companies, like Adobe, can do dumb as a post things that besmirch their names.

Both, but it's ... clumsy. And unfortunately syncing is 100% unreliable

"WHY WOULD ANYONE USE IT?" My Windows 10 Enterprise version cannot install Lightroom. Simples.

The odd preset but not hundreds of them. Do your own editing, I say

Lightroom is for new modern people. Lightroom classic is for dinosaurs. Change my mind.