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I know I'm a bit late, but it's cool to know you visited my hometown of Luray. The organ you were talking about was designed to take hammers similar to a piano and hit different stlagtites (from the ceiling) and stalagmites (from the ground) at different distances and strength to get a certain note out of them. They still host a charity event where an entire orchestra plays in the caverns as well.
Fun fact: since the original was taken down, IH took the opportunity to basically re-edit the entire vid (including clarification of some stuff, new voicework, etc). He’s the best kind of crazy.
Miller is a goddamn real one. He has no relation to Floyd, had no experience caving, and was just a reporter. But he did everything he can to try and save Floyd, he even has to integrity to stay loyal to his employers even aftet being given the chance of a lifetime.
Man was straight up one of the MVPs of the story, without his reporting it's possible Floyd never would've been rescued from the cave, it may have taken 60 years but in the end he finally escaped.
At first, his motivations were somewhat selfish, as he was merely trying to gain fame, he probably began to form a bond with Floyd eventually though. He also made a ton of money from his reporting.
Yes, I like Lilas take on this. Hearing her thoughts on her own situation and what she got out of it is impressive. Life can be hard at times, but in many situations the most important thing is, what one takes out of the hardships. And great for you Lila that you are better now and that we found such an enjoyable and thoughtful content creator out of it.
It was really great and uplifitng. It's also worth noting though this video was an object lesson that allowing dangerously ignorant well meaning people to even exist in the environment with a problem costs human lives. Their ignorance doesn't make them less human, otherization rarely helps, and understanding that every situation and often people's opinions are more complex that we give them credit for even when they barely know the talking points. People are born good- they are raised or inculcated to be the problem, and treating them as nothing but the problem damages many of the systems we have to solve problems in the world at all - but pretending their ideas (or even just their assertions) have equal validity and voice because their personhood does is how many others who are uninformed come to see them as equally valid, and thus generates further harm. It's a very complicated discursive point to throw in a paragraph especially in nice vague terms in the style of hers, but it always makes me anxious when such good spiritual/human affirming points are made so well but leave handholds for many kinds of rhetoric to shape the plowshare into something confused or even harmful.
The first time I saw this, I really hyper focused on the terribleness of people, from the gawkers to the carnival to Lee and the dentist. The fake news crowd and the telegraph impersonator. Just all the awful things that people do. The second time, however, I managed to see past them. To see the good parts of humanity: his incredible brother Homer who never stopped, his friend Gerald who likewise gave it his all, the most randomly awesome reporter in Miller, and even though the rope pull failed, Bertrand still helped. All of the miners who worked for weeks as well, and the people before that who helped cut down trees and shore up the walls. The terrible parts are still just as terrible, but sometimes the good people can shine brighter than it. Thanks for the video, it really is an incredibly well done story from IH.
Funny you should say that this would make a great horror story, because the story “Ted the Caver” was inspired by this, the cave in the story even being named “Floyd’s Tomb”. Ted the Caver was the first ever Creepypasta.
@@Agent_Cobaltyeah, he said that he will never go near ocean/sea again but it only took couple years until he decided to learn diving. Or that's what I remember from his story.
God, every time i watch a Lila video i get reminded by how eloquent and well-spoken she is. I have massive respect for anyone with the intellectual and emotional knowledge in tandem with speech ability to be as good at speaking on something as Lila is.
Your speech around the 40-minute mark was really insightful and it's really great to learn more about what led you here, even if we all are just random online strangers. I wanted to add some thoughts to everything but to be honest I don't know what I could add. All I can really say currently is thank you, for being here with us, for fighting on, for realising it wasn't the end of your story after all. The same goes for everybody, just merely existing is already something pretty damn special. Sometimes all we need is one extra day to find something to keep fighting for.
Wendigoon, who played Floyd in this, is a recent favorite of mine. He has a lot of videos looking at analog horror, SCP, conspiracy theories, etc. but also does some more serious videos like his serial killer iceberg series and missing person case videos. But he always makes a point when ending a video on a serious or dark topic of emphasizing that even if we're fascinated by all these dark topics and tragedies, there's still a lot of good to be appreciated in the world and that these stories are the exception, not the norm. I dunno if many of his videos would be suitable for reactions, but you would be hard pressed to find a more wholesome person who talks for hours about the least wholesome things that happen.
The first Wendigoon video I watched was the Love Boat experiment, but really what turned me into a fan is what you've said. It's so easy to play into the creepiness and darkness of serial killers, cults, etc to make the video "cooler" but his wholesomeness and positive outlook is pretty refreshing. He also comes off to me as a friend just talking to you about stuff he likes or sharing interesting stories and facts he just learned.
Him explaining Christian literature is probably where he shows off a lot of humanity. Like when he ended the purgatory section of Dante with Virgil, he really felt sad knowing that Virgil wouldn’t be allowed into heaven
One the most harrowing truths I learned when i was young is that sometimes helping can hurt people more then not. It was one of the hardest lessons I have every learned.
Sometimes. Most of the time, however, it's better to step in instead of just standing by and doing nothing while horrible things happen unimpeded. So many lives lost throughout history because people were too afraid to be anything more than bystanders - or worse, gawkers. Perhaps that is right sometimes, but I could not think of a more dangerous mindset in the long run.
Lila I just have to say you come off as a genuinely good and caring person. I don't know what happened to you in the past that brought you to this path but I'm happy to hear that it has been so helpful to you.
Quick little tip for anyone confusing stalagmites and stalagtites: Stalagmites grow up from the floor, while stalagtites grow from the ceiling. You can remember these because the T in "stalagTites" looks like a spike hanging from the ceiling, and the M in stalagMites looks like two spikes pointing up. A pair of a stalagmite and -tite that have fused together and now form a pillar are called "stalagnates", and I don't have a trick to remember that one :(
In french there's an easy trick, a stalactite falls (in french, "tombe" which starts with a T) and a stalagmite goes up (in french, "monte" which starts with an M).
maybe because stalagnate looks like stagnant, meaning not moving, you can see it as like an immovable pillar or something. Makes sense in my head at least haha.
@@verstamech That one is new to me, I honestly thought they both had a G in them. I guess I had never paid attention to the spelling before. Good to know though.
Hey there Lila, glad you finally managed to react to this, it's a great story and IH really put a lot of effort into this. Hope you're doing well and have a great week :)
it's been a crazy, fun, wholesome journey! i'll always look back on this era with so much love and gratitude. thanks for being a part of it. i remember your comments. ❤
I've been eagerly awaiting this one. This story is a wild ride. Also I'm very glad to finally see your reaction to it. I don't really have the timestamps (though it looks like someone else does lol) but I just wanted to say that I have difficulty trusting people. My childhood gave me so many reasons not to. I almost didn't let myself live to 20. I have to try real hard in order to find good in people. So, in my mind, it means a lot more to me when I say to you: I'm glad you're here, thank you for being you.
Yeah I'm claustrophobic too. I had a dream/nightmare that I had a middle ages knight helmet on that was stuck and I couldn't get it off. It was terrible. Thanks for the video Lila!
42:46 Almost every day when i wake up i have this question in my head. "Why i continue to live?" And seriously just looking at VTubers having fun watching videos or playing game help me go through the day. So thank you and just keep spreading the hapiness.
Another long reaction with Lila finally getting to see Man in Cave!! My day has been brighened! If you're looking for some other stuff to look at check out "Let's Game it Out" or "I Did a Thing" for some laughs. There's also "MrBallen" for strange, dark and mysterious stories. "Clint's Reptiels" if you want to learn a little about reptiles and which ones might make good pets. There's also several Hololive animation channels like "momonofu EN", "Mochimiko_EN", or "Komainu EN " if you're interested in reacting to other Vtuber content.
a handy mnemonic for stalagmites and stalactites that I learned in school was that stalagmites have a 'G' in them, for 'Ground,' while stalactites have a 'C,' for 'Ceiling.' Hope this helps.
I find Lila's voice very soothing. I hope she keeps reacting to more videos! Also, her commentary is really mature and thoughtful. Keep being an awesome person Lila!
When talking about surviving without food and water normally the rule of 3s is applied. 3 minutes without oxygen, 3 days without water and 3 weeks without food. However it also all depends on the environment like you can die in a matter of hours in the desert without water. Plus the experiment that came up with the 3 days for water was also stopped well before the subject was in danger so its probably longer
The person that plays Floyd is Wendigoon, he is a great story teller and it'd be great if you reacted to one of his videos. I recommend his Love Boat Social Experiment vid, its funny and interesting!
"Tank care of my family" is such a good joke, and it's wild that I completely missed it so many times. Also, I totally play games while watching RU-vid videos like ALL the time. I think I might just have ADHD, because for whatever reason I can't just not have something on. I NEED the background noise, you know? There's no reason I should be listening to a video essay or political debate while grinding the Bojan Front in FFXIV, but something in me just needs something to fill the void, sooo.....
Been lurking on your videos for a bit Lila but after watching this one I just wanted to speak up for a moment to tell you how nice you have been to watch. You come across as friendly and personable but also very sensitive and humble, when you give commentary it always seems well thought out, I like how you can appear bold and spunky without coming off as obnoxious or preachy like the kind of people who love the sound of their own voice, which is a pitfall I've noticed a few other reactors fall into. Sharing your own personal experience with those hardships and how it helped define your own empathy is a perfect example of how to express your own take on something and do it right, being honest and concise and focusing on the truth rather than reducing things to an emotional reaction or picking sides and condemning whoever seems to be in the wrong. I honestly think we need a lot more of that in the world right now, especially when considering how many things in recent years have become so much more divisive for so many people.
It really is a terrible situation. The media circus is what got the most support and seemed like it gave them a better chance to save the guy, but if it weren’t for all the people hanging about, they probably could have gotten him out in no time because the cave wouldn’t have gotten so precarious
It's interesting being able to tell if you're watching the original version or the remade version pretty quickly just by the starting bit of the story. For example, the bit at the start where he tries to move multiple times to escape but "He cannot". That repeating statement to indicate just how trapped he is isn't present in the remade version. I still personally prefer the way that the narrative flows in the original version. So on a personal level I do appreciate seeing reactions of the OG version, but it's also interesting to see reactions to the remade version.
After hearing that inspirational message at 44:02, yea, maybe people aren't so bad. After hearing about the crap that happened after he died, nope, nevermind, they are.
A little tip to remember what are stalagmites and stalactites. For Stalactites think about the T as the spike coming down from the ceiling. I guess you can also remember Stalagmites by thinking about the M as being two spikes on the ground.
I always got confused with stalacmites and stalactites as well. But there is an easy if not kid-friendly way of remembering which is which, that i will not utter here, but the trick is to look at the 7th, 8th and 9th letter of the word stalactite to get an idea... (this "trick" was told to us when I was in 5th grade and we made a school trip to an old salt mine. Our guide thought this was an appropriate thing to tell a bunch of 10-year-olds)
You know, its stories like these that make me understand why people believe in supernatural phenomena; if i were more superstitious, I would genuinely believe that cave had some kind of cursed aura.
Let's go! Been waiting for this one! Amazing reaction like always! If you are interested, the man who "played" Floyd is named Wendigoon, and he's an amazing source for all things weird and spooky. Would highly recommend giving him a look.
41:50 - 44:04, You have given me inspiration. I am in somewhat of a similar situation and hearing you talk about it, has given me the insight I need to try and turn things around. Perhaps I'll feel healthier and happier if I can finally try my hand at something, like writing perhaps. Thank you for being you, I wish you all the best.
2:40 Talking about video gams kinda like this, Jacob Geller made an amazing video about what makes caves so scary and attractive at the same time, as well as talking about a few games that capture that feeling pretty well. It's called "Fear of Depths" and might be worth a look.
That little monologue around 42:00. Why are you such a precious person? You're already a seemingly wholesome person, so I'm already waiting to be disappointed, because that's almost always the case with "wholesome" creators. But you. You might actually be good.
Here's Miller's first-hand account of his first descent to Floyd. "It was my first trip into a cave, an amateur who knew nothing about it and had no fears-only eagerness. Head-first we started into the hole, barely listening to the directions and advice offered by Homer [Collins] who, with a flashlight, followed for a short distance. At the very beginning it was necessary to get down on hands and knees. We were in an ooze and slime. The way was downward, not sharply at first, but gradual. Soon Homer and the others turned back and without a light, we butted here and there before finding which way the winding, twisting pathway led. Now it was necessary to get down on my stomach and slide and squirm along, using elbows, and toes to propel me-and occasionally to slow up when I slid along too quickly. In some spots the ooze and slime made a toboggan slide of the passage. Before I knew it I reached a sharp incline and could not break my speed. The incline made an elbow turn and I caromed head-first against some wet mass. It groaned and moved. In panic I tried to push back off this thing but the steepness of the incline prevented it. Along the slippery sides I could get no hold and for minutes-it seemed longer-I was pressed against this horrible mass of wet something that moved a little and groaned pitifully, weakly. Finally my groping hands found a crevice and I pushed back off this thing and tried to get back up around the turn. Head-down, my feet and arms seemed to have multiplied, octopus-like. The more I struggled, the tighter I lodged. I was hot and cold by turns and surprisingly weak. I struggled and pushed to no avail. Gradually reason returned and I knew that below me was Floyd Collins; that I had landed on him with my full weight, light as it was, and that this other human being near me-though weak and pitiful-was alive. By now, in weariness, I had stopped struggling and-miraculously-it seemed, I was not fast-bound. … Cautiously now, I worked back down … [and] managed to push my right foot alongside Collins’ body. Except for one leg, it was impossible to get beyond his shoulders, although I did work one arm down to his hip despite his groans and pitiful, inarticulate sounds. It was impossible to get past him, however, so I pushed my right foot as far down as I could and then doubled my left leg, and, lifting Floyd’s head, placed my knee down where his head had been and rested his head on my knee … and it was in this position that I later fed him while interviewing and seeking some method of effecting his release. This time, however, I attempted to relight a lantern that had been knocked down when I crashed into him … [but his words], which I could not then make out, gave me an impression that the lantern light hurt his eyes. I left it unlit, as I started to return to the surface."
3:55 Stalactites hang from the ceiling, so you have to hang on _tight_ to keep from falling. Stalagmites jut up from the floor, so you _might_ stub your toe on them.
I was taught in survival the rule of 3. 3 weeks without food, 3 days without water, and 3 minutes without air. This is the best case scenario that a person can survive without air, food, or water.
03:59. Those are Stalagtite, stalagmite and stalagnate. Stalagtites grow from cealings, stalagmites on the floor, and the stalagnate is when bothe mites and tites grow in to a pillar/colum.
Yeah, I always remember by associating stalagtites with "holding on tight" to the ceiling. Pretty sure I was taught that in like elementary school and it's stuck with me since
i don't know why i love listening your videos more rather than watching it, and i never do this with other people why you so unique to me but i love it.
Man this IH video is so good. A real story told extremely well, with constant twists, amazing people doing their best to help a man in the worst situation one could be, and some of the craziest shit ever by the end. I love seeing reactions to this one specifically, because it's such a great story with so much tension and hope of a positive resolution to it all.
There's a really easy way to remember the Stalagmites/Stalagtites thing. And I know this from my mother telling me, no joke: Stalagtites are the ones hanging down. Yk, StalagTITES - ... like in "Tits". Yeah my mom is a trooper.
Damn, why didn't they do a dual strategy of widening and stabilizing the regular way as well? Such a simple solution, especially as the other strategy was slowing down... and at least getting him sustenance!
This was so much fun, I love your reactions to Internet Historian and, even though I had watched the video before, this was kinda like a first time again because the reupload features some reedits and additional details.
Hindsight is 20/20 as they say.. but while he has a lot of experience, it's 1920s, so he doesn't have much knowledge or tech.. so while you aren't wrong, considering how some ice melt caused that area to cave in more than once, it's also likely the tremors from his chisel could have done that in a more immediately fatal manner..
Very good video, always love to rewatch internet historian vids. And I only recently discovered you, but you've immediately become one of my favourite youtubers and the only full vtuber I regularly watch. It's really ironic how you as a vtuber seem more genuine and human to me than many youtubers and streamers with constant face cam and everything. And since you might be interested (feedback and all that) in the reasons for why I like your videos and have subscribed: 1. you seem very genuine (including your reason for why you started vtubing, to which I can relate since I'm currently stuck in a similar situation of not feeling like I have much control over my life) 2. you're clever (as evident by your ideas for helping in the situation and you also pay close attention to wording, mood, etc. so you managed to predict that this wouldn't be a happy story just from that start with "the cave demands sacrifices", which some other people would have either forgotten or written off as just a dramatic opening to the story) 3. you don't talk over the video or go off on long off-topic tangents; you keep it all concise and "coherent", which is something very important to me on react videos, since it is essentially like watching the video together and when the other person constantly talks over it or goes off on youtube gossip or some other completely off-topic stuff that can be very annoying. I actually found you because I was looking for reacts to internet historian vids (because I wanted to rewatch them but with a little extra, so it isn't just rewatching the exact same video) and a bunch of reacts had this exact problem for me. Anyways thanks for the great video, keep up the good work and always have fun doing it. Hope you have a nice day and that goes for everyone else who reads this too. ♥
Stalagtites = forming from the ceiling. Stalagmites = Forming from the floor. If you know Spanish or Portuguese there is a simple mnemonic. In spanish the word for ceiling is Techo In Portuguese it's Teto StalagTITES grow from the Teto/Techo (T equals teto/techo) At least that's how I memorized the difference.
For reference, stalactites hang from the ceiling, stalagmites rise from the floor. They are often paired, because they are the result of erosion, generally from water flow.
Fantastic video, and love seeing youre reactions to IH videos! You're commentary at 42:00 was touching. I am glad the community has been there with you, and I hope we have all been a net positive in each others lives ❤️ Seeing your videos has brought a smile to my face many times, so I can at least say you have been for me 😊
Kind of reminds me of those poor b@$rds in the battleships. That had been sunk at pearl harbor. Rescue could hear them banging from inside the ships. But cutting that thick steel with torches used up what little oxygen that they had inside. Luckily the banging eventually stop. Hopefully this works out better. lmao no. Maybe for some people nowadays. However people were notably less sensitive...10 years ago. A century ago Public executions used to have a carnival atmosphere. Well he wanted to raise tourism. Are we sure a evil genie wasn't behind this?
No idea if this would be considered disrespectful to Floid and his family, but you could TOTALLY make a high budget, 4-5 episode animated series on this story. Like, Netflix Castlevania type animation. I mean between all the potential for metaphorical visuals like the cave being like a maw, and potential moments of tension and action like Jerald literally throwing himself against the cave in desperation and trying to clear rubble, it could be something incredible This is one of my favorite videos by Internet historian, up there with The Gentleman Pirate on his incognito channel. It was great seeing you go through the journey thid video provided, amazing stuff as always
In some case yes, a disrespectful in another way but Floyd story nowadays is easily available and some books are covering his and others who involved in rescuing. I mean, some tragic events are even made into mainstream media like Titanic sinking ship, Space Disastrous Launch & Many-many Movies based on Tragic of WW1 & WW2 event. If a Tragic Tales can give you money and opportunity then it's inevitable
I'm honestly getting vibes or rather a strong hunch about this case that a huge part of the cave-in was actually caused by all the people outside the cave. Vibrations from simple things like footsteps and movements above the ground travel much farther than what we normally think. Some animals even detect these very minute vibrations in order to hunt. Data servers even have to have anti-vibration precautions because the tiny vibrations caused by a single hard drive, when multiplied into ten or more, can cause mechanical failures due to synchronization of these vibrations. If we consider the large amount of people nearest to the cave, all their activities (even including those times the guys who would go into the cave aren't present), the combined mass and exerted pressure onto the ground by their belongings and movements as well as the tools and machinery that later got brought in, it is highly possible all of these actually triggered the cave collapse. I'm no expert, but that's what my hunch is telling me, especially with how seemingly coincidental the timing of the collapse began. It feels to me like this was meant to be an incident where a very small amount of people would actually be able to do much better, safer, and actually save the guy. Unfortunately, the majority chose wrongly if that were the case. An early case of "the hype literally killed him" or so. Something just tugs at me and telling me this about this one case, like it was a split road of history, and the decision was unknowingly made at that point that sealed his fate early on.
Historian: "So off Miller goes to Floyd's cave." Lila: "Let's hope he actually gets down there." Hun, you're about to be very impressed by Mr. Miller. Sure, the story still has a sad outcome, but aside from Homer, Miller is definitely one of the very few brave ones here.
What a heart-wrenching tragedy delivered with spoonfuls of comedy by IH and your reactions. You're really good at adding more to the content you're reacting to without 'getting in the way', which is more of an art than people realize.
