Lila Reacts to Why VTubers Are Blowing Up (Asmongold) 

I actually got into Vtubers via Neurosama. I was riding the news edge of what was happening with AI and Neuro cropped up in the algorithm. I got hooked. Then the collabs and I started falling down the hole of watching Vtubers in general. In some ways I think Vtubers are like bringing a puppet to a therapy session, there's more of an openness about them, be it silly or serious, which I find endearing.

I think the men only care about looks thing is simultaneously reductive yet true. If you want to attract a man, you need to be physically attractive; however, if you want to keep a man, you need to have a good personality. So the idea that men ONLY care about looks is wrong, but it is definitely an easy inroad to a man, but it does not guarantee longevity, only initial interest.

I think its better if Asmond said this.. "I came because of the looks, stayed because of the personality"

my Favorite Female streamer... Vedal...

Fun fact. That one vtuber that was revealed due to a technical glitch ended up becoming even more popular afterwards.

I watch Vtubers because they're entertaining. It doesn't matter who they are.

On the looks argument - It's hard to put it into a scale like Asmon did, but I think it's reasonable. Looks are like a minimum requirement, a screening. Guys more often than not will not click on an ugly woman. Sure there's exceptions, but for the most part it's true. You need the looks / good model to get people in the door. The personality and skills part comes after to keep them there.

I think a lot of Asmon's point was that since the audience on Twitch is heavily guys, mostly straight guys, appearance goes farther for female creators than personality and vice/versa for male creators. If Twitch's main audience was girls, he would probably say that appearance matters more than personality for male creators in that case. He seems to believe that opposite sex viewership heavily depends on attraction. The all vtubers are men with voice-changers thing is mostly just an evolution of the ancient meme "There are no girls on the internet". Some just take that adage as gospel and refuse to believe real women are on the internet and like to do nerdy/niche things.

I recently subscribed to your channel because I liked how genuine and eloquent you are when you speak about things. This video was no exception 👍 Also, thanks for understanding and touching on the mental health issues men face. The struggle is real.

I love Lila, she's very interesting talking about what she's reacting & the subject, amazing

If Asmon goes Vtubing his model would be just him but even more bald

Pulling up graphs and numbers, making a reaction video several times longer than original - Asmon would be proud :) 26:45 I don't understand how you came to that conclusion. Why men are powerless if they aren't pretty and have no boobs, when it's not what they are supposed to offer in the first place, according to chart? On the whole topic, my own preferences: 1) Appearance is very situational. Pretty girl/model are more likely to get a click from me, but so are streams without a camera or avatar. It's not so much about looking at someone pretty, although it's obviously a bonus, but more about not looking at someone I find unpleasant for hours. 2) Personality or content is what I stay for. If I just wanted boobs, real or anime, there are much better sites than yt or twitch for that, I want some actual substance or entertainment. 3) Voice. Not part of original topic, but a very big deal for me. If it's a voice that I don't like, it's a literal suffering to watch those videos, even if both looks and content are very good. And for the opposite, a good voice might make me stay for content I'd usually would have no interest in.

I watch vtubers because a lot of models I see are really really creative. The designs of the models are cool and the overall lore to them are just top notch for me. Like I can’t hate vtubers because they just are creative with their models and designs.

Loving the recent uploads Lila!

Discipline can be learned. It's not easy to teach, but it can be.

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I like this video. Your points are really well thought out and very encouraging, too. Also, I love that robots reference in the end😂

You mentioned something briefly that I want to talk about. It has to do with men finding it difficult to share their feelings. That has always been an issue for me. I don't know why but I've always been "the dad" in every group I've ever been in. So I've always felt a pressure to keep it bottled up, or hide my feelings. I literally had an emotional breakdown last week because taking up that role was starting to feel suffocating for me.

I should point out that "antisocial behaviours" in this highlighted part 17:15 is not talking about how social someone is. It's talking about propensity for criminality. For those that don't know, the clinical term is ASPD or antisocial personality disorder. Something like 80% of the prison population has it. As to men not being as social... some of it is learned sure. But most of it is genetic. Throughout history men have almost always been soldiers or in other unpleasant occupations. It's little wonder then that we don't tend to be as openly emotional.

Loved the whole conversation and really appreciated the perspective you brought into it. Liked how you expanded on the topic and not just directly reacted to what the video was saying.

With vtubers I kinda like how I don’t have to focus as hard on the reactor or player, and can view whatever is happening on the screen more fixedly. I don’t have to focus on a vtubers face and body language as much because the avatar’s expressions are easier to read I suppose, I think so anyway. Also, it’s always fun watching people react to Asmon, don’t catch his streams, just his yt videos, but he is one of my other favorite creators. Also I just find a lot of vtubers at least somewhat more entertaining, or with objectively “better” takes than a lot of other channels/streamers now.

Not really sure how to say this politely but I wish you would talk after Asmongold makes his points not before

just subscribed because of how insightful you are

The vtuber stereotype of oh its a guy must be a trauma response to being catfished

the energy you gals bring is why i've migrated to watching vtubers often now a days. the cute models help but it helps when you mesh the cute model with someone that can bring so much energy to the front.

Personality is more important than Looks. Sure, Looks IS an important factor to determine if you want to... have fun.... with a person. But to learn about them, about their Character... you dont need to know how they look like. Watching VTubers reminds me of the Time when i actively connected with others in online games. Spending time with each other, learning their personality and behaviour... without knowing how they look like and by the point you see them, you finally have a Frame to put all that personal traits in, that you hoarded for months xD My first Crush was a Girl that i befriended in a MMO. Played together for Weeks, talked, made jokes,... typical friends stuff. Charming person, good humor. At some point we revealed how we look like to each other. Turned out she could have been a Model with her Looks, completely stunning. She made it clear that a relationship with an online-friend was not what she wanted. Still played the MMO together until we both lost interest in the game. Still had contact for several months after that. Found my best female friend in the same MMO. Same process. Met by chance, learned each others personality over weeks and months - still my best Friend for ....i think 15 years now. For me personally, meeting someone in an online game seems to be the best chance to find friends and Partner. My best memories are from Girls that i met in a Game :3 3 Girls (and their closest Friends) have a special Place in my Heart.

I dont know if it is related to the boom in vtubers and the relevant creators just werent suggested to me before but I feel like in the gaming space there are now so many more female vtubers that make gaming content which is my primary interest then before. Like before Vtubers I can remember watching Dodger, KatherineofSky and Materwelonz as female gaming creators and that was kind of it. So I feel like I watch more Vtubers because they make the content I want an not specifically because they are Vtubers. This of course begs the question why female creators that were making content in that space (because I am sure they existed and exist) dont really take of or get reccomended to people. Like why do they not show up in my recommended? Because I was interested I checked online some of the bigger female gaming channels and I have literally never heard of most of them even though they have signifcant subscriber numbers and seem to cover games I am or was interested in in the past yet I cant remember some of them ever showing up in my recommended or even search results. Why does youtube have this bias? Does it just asume because I have been watching mostly male creators that I dont want to watch female ones? Because that would be stupid to asume if it never recommends them to me....

I was into Vtubers since the start of shirakami. I don't watch any gameplay videos really but a ASMR video? I'll watch all of them. The comfort and cuteness and just pure relaxation and stress relief is unrivaled.

I started watching vtubers with Kizuna AI back in like 2016 or something and it was because she presented herself as an AI RU-vidr (boy how far we've come) and I was hooked, my favorite part about vtubers is the persona they put on and how they make the most use out of it, that's not to say I dislike vtubers like you who present themselves with no persona I really like your content, however Japanese vtubers play into their character harder than western vtubers while at the same time injecting them with their own personality, for example Pekora rarely breaks character, she's always saying Peko and keeping up her "pekoland" lore, but what made her so popular was her inherit chaotic personality, witty comments, unique voice and overall talent.

“Flesh-tuber”. We truly live in prequel for cyberpunk lol

RU-vid constantly gives me ads for 50+ women in my area. Make it stop.

When a male say femininity, they mean that your avatar comes across as more feminine because men really really like cuteness, they just don't say it. You look cute, you act more yourself and girly. Basically cuteness. Fat shaming is a thing | So is Skinny Shaming. I get told I need a burger so many times.

its been 8 month and idk if others have told you or not, but the chart is for irl male vs female streamer, not vtuber.

Wait has Lila not heard the story behind the Asmonpapa nickname? Think someone needs to watch the clips from the Asmonpapa and Kasii saga :D

Thanks for taking my reaction request! I ended up agreeing with so much of what you said and I appreciate the contrary nuanced perspective to Asmon's. Here are some of the thoughts I wanted to leave: 1. (9:34) That one instance of a Vtuber posing as a female (I think called Nora Cat) was apparently actually known in their community as a man and their following only grew after the incident. I think it's funny that instance gets often cited and it isn't even in full defense of their point. 2. (15:18) I think it's true there aren't many male Vtuber role models out there. The only majorly successful ones I know are from Nijisanji where they are anamolously more popular than their female gens. The fewer role models point is a good counter perspective on why male vtubers can't thrive as much. As it stands now with few role models to learn from, it seems it's more viable to be a fleshtuber with no face cam vs a male Vtuber (in my opinion), though maybe if the industry changes that won't always be the case. As a man, I think it's hard to tell the full breadth of a male vtuber's appeal. 3. (23:42) I think a counter to your point where you don't think looks actually mattered as much has to do with first impressions. I think unfortunately it's true when watching a Vtuber the first thing that determines if I click is if their model is appealing in some way (not provocatively but in terms of quality), but you are right that it gets followers but it doesn't get *actual viewers*. I may click on a stream with a good model *but a good personality is 80% of why I would stay*. That initial physicality I don't know a way to fix, but I think your statements throughout about how fixing men's mentalities can help emerge empathy has a lot of validity to it. 4. (30:30) I think the point of garnering a viewership of respect is important and validated by people's experience in the adult entertainment industry. One Vtuber I know talked about their past experience needing to be in the adult industry and their frustrations on how nobody cared about their personality and just wanted to see physicality. For many that can be extremely draining and it shows you attract what you put out in those kinds of spaces. The successful "lewd tubers" I've seen like Shylilly, Annytf, Nekrolina, etc seem to be the ones who teach chat to accept their boundaries and make sure at the end of the day chat respects them. That's probably why they have longevity. 5. (38:16) I *really* appreciate your nuanced and psychological approach towards why men supposedly are shallow. I think it's very true and something I even overlooked. (Also, based Dr. K viewer 👍) 6. (50:58) I am curious about what you have to say about parasociality because that is an important and not well-discussed factor that I think is rampant in online platforms. 7. (52:22) I think Asmon's point about OnlyFans creators being degens too was meant to be in an endearing way humanizing them to be just like Twitch viewers, not necessarily trashing on them. Extra: (42:38) Asmon Papa is a meme in Asmon's chat because he reacted to a Japanese vtuber briefly and got known by her as Asmon Papa. It's a funny saga to watch if you're interested

When it comes to male mental health, it is what it is i guess. When my sisters had issues, my dad and mom would do anything to help them out. When my brother and I would start crying or fighting over some random $hit, we would get the belt. 😂😂 My introduction to female streamers were Vtubers. I kinda agree to what Aasmond said that we often judge flesh streamers and Vtubers differently. Although i do judge vtubers based on their personality i often noticed my self judging female streamers in different standards and i do think looks play apart. Idk why tbh.. maybe bc already vtubers are cute by default and so i dont think of that?? Maybe..idk

I have so many audio files of Neuro Sama & people who interact with Vedal & Neuro Sama etc

_I realized while writing this that I had a lot more to say than I initially thought and that I might've come off a bit parasocial at times, but I couldn't really word it any other way. Oh well._ Tldr: Getting to see the genuine nature of a content creator and Vtuber appear from behind the model over time is very fun to me. One of my favorite aspects of watching Vtubers is, over time, getting to see how the character they play falls away and the personality of the person behind the model emerges more and more. Don't get me wrong, when a Vtubers puts a TON of work into lore and character creation before and immediately after debut, it's enjoyable. It can lead to some truly amazing content and introductions to new creators, and many they do this because it's fun for both them and their community. But watching a creator slowly break away bit by bit from the character and get more comfortable just being themselves while streaming is one of my favorite things to witness. Finding out what makes streamer genuinely laugh to the point of having stop stream to catch their breath, what games or movies scare them bad enough their mic gives out, the rapport and relationship they build with their community and chat. Being able to joke around in ways they wouldn't've been able to earlier on because they were keeping up a character. Those moments of... authenticity makes it sound like they were being fake, maybe vulnerability? Genuineness? Not sure. Those are my favorites. Take Calli and Kiara for example. At debut, they had this...honestly kinda awkward for everyone, ship that they (or at least Cover) seemed to be pushing for a bit that Calli very clearly didn't seem all that comfortable with. It didn't feel genuine but the idea was fun for many viewers. Once the manufactured ship was through with, it became a lot more fun for me to watch both of their content as they evolved in their own ways and it seems they got closer as friends once they weren't being made to do...whatever the first minecraft stream was lol

Thank you for talking seriously about these things!

That vtuber was Noraneko. I'm pretty sure the stereotype was around even before that incident. There are other vtuber openly doing that too which definately doesn't help xD

Imo Asmon didn't take the male streamer as the victim here. I take it in comparison as in the situation that both a male and a female streamer performing well, gaming well, the male viewers will watch the male streamers no matter how he looks. But the female streamer, there's more chance that the male viewers will change channel just because the female streamer doesn't looks attractive. I didn't say it's a good thing. It''s sad. But it happened. I think i even one of the ashole because i literally watch a male streamer with hairy chest no shirt looking ragged playing YuGiOh while i choose to watch a less pro (?) female streamer just because she's lookin more cute than the one who's actually playing better (heck, i copy some of her decks). By becoming vtuber, female streamer could take that burden away. No need to wear good lookin shirts.Applying make up God knows how long just for the stream (my mom is a streamer too, so i kinda know how long it takes to prepare). In a sense it's easier for male game streamer to appeal than a female streamer that's not a vtuber because female vtuber can smile and looking good everytime. That's why female vtubers are dominating the popularity chart. Because the the viewers can get to watch well performing streamers who looks cute everytime. Again, it's not something good. It just what happened. Edit: Btw there's this vtuber called Janken. He looks like Randon but human for me Lmao Dang, i wish Randon and Janken would collab one day...

The voice actor for Michael from gta5 got swatted recently while playing gta5 for the 10 year anniversary

Ok, but for real, I like having a 2D avatar so I can just be myself and the outside/physical perception of myself is not a part of the equation. It was also a health and safety thing because I was being stalked when I started and vtubing was a way I could regain my identity and keep myself safe.

Don’t really watch any Vtubers except Lila here on RU-vid, have never enjoyed livestreams. However, from the few I have seen, it’s not as much about the Vtuber model as it is their personality. I personally find it kind of strange still, but I’m getting progressively more used to it, along with the internet entire. I enjoy how down to earth Lila is and the commentary she brings to the table, I just wish she did a larger variety of things.

I'm no expert but someone brought up that to attract a man looks matter, to keep a man you need personality, the way I see it in my uneducated opinion is that vtuber models is an equalizer for women and the women who managed to stay on top with looks alone now has to compete with women who are more entertaining

REally great analisys, I enjoied your video very much ( learned a lot). I agree with many of your points.

I really resonate with what Lila is saying about personality. There's a girl where all she does is stream the news and does her own thing quietly. Like if I wanted that, I'd just turn on the TV. I've been observing for over a year to see if she changes her style because when she does talk she has some interesting takes.

I think vtubing is also great because it breaks the language barrier even if you don't understand everything you can follow because the models are super expressive

When vtubing first started getting big in korea, lot of the bigger ones at the start before isegye idol was just no cam streamers on twitch that turn their characters into vtuber models and that was interesting to see as a regular vtube viewer

41:47 This part is perfectly for this reaction video 👌

47:04 - I know one russian vtuber , Orc Podcaster. He's vtuber since 2011 (his avatar was WoW orc)

Vtubers are all about content and personality, not looks. Not all of them made it, but vtubers can find a spot when they feel comfortable with themselves. I watch vtubers like any other streamer because they are streamers like everyone else, people should not judge their appereance. Happy Holidays, Lila.

As a male who suffers from anxiety and struggles with being social, as well as streams with a vtuber model (my profile pic is the initial draft for the base of what i wanted my model to look like. It's just me, minus my beard lol) I felt this one in my soul lol. I don't really mind though. I stream because I find it fun. Even if I don't have may people watching it's still fun. When I streamed as myself, it was significantly less fun. For me, streaming as myself makes my anxiety go nuts and I can't be entertaining. It's easier when I'm playing as a character, although my character is just me being myself as an avatar. I don't want to turn it into a job or have to rely on it though, so I refuse to advertise myself. This keeps my view count down. I can talk to 10 people WAY easier than I can talk to 50. I was streaming while writing a song and I was raided by a friend of mine who had 150 viewers drop in, and I froze up lol. Being a vtuber has made it possible for me to stream at all though, and thats worth it! My point was just to point out that mental health is a huge crutch, at least for me, to do this. I know I can't be alone, and this kind of supports that, which makes me feel a little better for feeling this way.

I'd like to add that female vtubers may also have a baked in audience from a long while back. Vocaloids like Hatsune Miku were big for a while, and the evolution of the tech into Kitzuna Ai made it mainstream. We're basically seeing a whole new market which was originally penned in just explode. Appreciate the take on mental health as well. I also do agree charisma has a strong impact on a creators staying power, but attractiveness is a pivotal part of initial engagement for that first click. Love Gillie's content, so cute.

I think if you are a good looking girl that shows booba you will get more initial attention because guys are more willing to give you a shot but if you don't have anything beside that like being funny, a gamer, entertainer or anything else you will not retain much of that initial attention and nit grow your audience. Even with vtubers a good looking model helps but there is a reason one of my favourites is Ina, one of the flatest members in hololive en. She is just comfy vibes personified as well as a good artist.

NGL ive follow and watch vtubers due to their models.

I like Vtubers for a couple of reasons: -As an artist in training, I strive to make art as pretty as most Vtuber models -Vtubers tend to be affiliated with anime culture overall, which I'm also personally invested in -Vtubers are chaotic, unhinged and I love them for being so in a world where most streamers are very safe -Vtuber communities are also REALLY nice. No joke, the nicest Twitch chats I've seen are specifically from Vtubers.

Everyone is different, it's not really realistic to decide something for an entire sex when there's so many differences in everyone's lives and genetics. And yeah, looks don't determine how successful someone is either, Asmongold can't speak for everyone. I got into watching vtubers in early 2021, I've also jumped between communities a bunch because there's more that comes into play like finding someone relatable, and a community of people who click with you. It also can depend where you feel comfortable or feel like you fit in. But at the end of the day there's a variety of stuff people might be looking for in a streamer/streamer's community and it's impossible to tie it down to a few simple things.

You are doing the comment content much more entertaining than the average "uh oh "soy face" andy" Keep up the good work Lila!

Thanks for introducing me to 3 new people to consider looking at. The orc guy is a new and interesting one to me. I am kinda aware of more people like that, like kobold vtubers and such but they are harder to show up in recommended.

Great comments! It's silly, but in a way I do feel kind of called out. I like the idea of having a channel or streaming, but these among other opportunities I've not pursued because one- social anxiety, and two- it'd be a lot of work. I've also got a different passion project I'm working on along with school and some other excuses, but yeah. I do agree that Asmongold's idea of Vtubers is very incomplete- maybe not fully off-base, but honestly if his views were expressed by women we'd probably consider them misandrists.

When it comes to attractiveness, I've seen male/female content creators with drama have their channel slowly die and others that continued on. "Unattractive" content creators can build an audience, but only have their personality to go on. If their audience learns that the creator isn't as nice as they style themselves as, their audience will leave, and if they change no one will know. "Attractive" creators retain their audience for longer after drama, and if they rebrand the drama will be forgotten instead the creator being forgotten. So while what is more attractive or who values attractiveness more can be argued, I think overall it plays a role for both genders. But as you said, there are hansom and pretty faces on the internet that get no traction. What keeps people watching is the creator's personality.

I like vtubers because I want the distance myself. I like the fantasy aspect and I want it to stay a fantasy.

People will watch, listen, etc something they hate just because they want to then comment, post, etc how bad, hate, etc it. To either get others angry as they love it, to cause drama (as they love it again) or just to get the views, replies, etc. As it is basically what they want. Even if it takes more to go out of their way to do all that, they would rather do it just because it's what they love to do. Its annoying but sadly that's really what a lot of the internet is. People just doing something so they can in turn complain, rage, etc about it and watch internet drama start. Even if pointless thing to do as just wastes their own time but some just love to do that. To me vtubing is just the same as "fleshtubers" in the end. Don't matter what is there for 'picture' as its the personality/etc that is what makes the stream, youtube, etc worth it. I never really watched vtubers but one day long back I was suggested a reaction video to a "letsgameitout" video because I watch his videos all the time and it was a shylily reaction. Was really first 'vtubing' watched and just led to watching the rest of her reactions to his stuff, then other things, leading to more and more vtubers being recommended, leading to more found that are cool/etc. And really now I watch multiple ones not because of "sexy" or etc models but due to their content is just great. Heck that was how ran into lila here too, Josh's videos and reactions led to her reactions too, which in turn led to looking into more things leading to watching more/subscribing/etc. As long as their content is cool, fun, etc, no matter who(flesh person) or what(vtuber characters male or female) is doing it, it's worth watching :). As behind that image is a flesh tuber in the end, just instead of face cam, its an avatar.

1:06 this aged like a good wine 😅 nijisanji

14:08 to be honest for me the reasons why i watch certain vtubers differ quite a lot. There are vtubers that i mainly watch for the looks and don't really pay attention to what is going on with the content. But there are also vtubers where i don't like the looks that much but i stumbled across their content and liked what i saw. And then there is the middle ground wich i do watch the most being a nice looking model and good content

Personally I like the vtuber scene cause its a return to the original form of the internet. The internet shouldnt be real life, just look at the damage to social norms and mental health that have become the norm. It was always the trash of the net that wanted it to be real, psychos, catfishes, and identity thieves... and with the advent of social media those people won and society is slowly becoming lost.

Yea, i agree with you. A nice Vtuber model might get you some clicks, but if you are boring no one will stay..

I don't think it's entirely fair to assume people value overweight people less. I think it's more a matter of not respecting people that don't respect themselves.

The first vtuber i watched was Silvervale. Through her I found Ironmouse, Projekt Melody, then Takahata. I create content and stream here on RU-vid. I am interested in being a vtuber. But I am unsure where to begin. 🤔

Lila you should watch Camila talking to AI version of herself made by Vedal, it was amazing

I truly feel like the algorithm plays more of a role then everything else. One person might get there content pushed more for less. Personality keeps people there but it's a challenge trying to grow in the first place.

It could also be that VTubers in general are treated better by commenters because of a kind of disconnect. With a real person, it feels maybe more real. And a real person is easier to judge. But with a VTuber, all you got is the model and a voice. So it might be easier for a lot of people to realize that this is not the actual person. It might also be darker. That people have an easier time being nice to an anime girl, then to a real girl. Potentially because at some point in their life, a real girl might have hurt their feelings.

spoke alot of facts in this one.

Asmon is right, but there's more to it. There is a reason why rich old men are still married to their spouse instead of divorcing her for a younger hotter woman that he could do endlessly.

I also watch a lot of niche content based on science and some political stuff.

Leave it to Asmon to turn a graph into a 16 minute video, then Lila to turn that into a 54 minute video

The random sexualization is really ridiculous, especially with ones like Ina who are amongst the most wholesome. What makes it worse is when that's done despite a clear boundary saying not to do so. There's a reason behind special art tags for such things; the person isn't comfortable with those things and so wants to block them. I don't like it when people don't respect the wishes of others despite being able to. I will admit that I'm not the best at reading the room, but even so I know enough to get a vague idea of whether or not someone is okay with it. And anyways, it's usually best to play it safe and not do so on stream or in comments on their channels or those of their friends. If you decide to make such art then make sure you use the appropriate tags. I know that I might be hypocritical in some cases, but everybody is at one time or another.

People in the vtuber community are a lot nicer since it attracts a different type of audience. It's the ones that grew up with anime and now they are old enough to be wiser and smarter than the kids that just seek boobs anywhere on the internet. So a combination between an older audience and people that also enjoy personality as well as a cute avatar creates a better community in the vtuber space than the horny 14y old kids who just discovered Amoranth on Twitch and compared to the Hub, here they can actually talk to a real woman. As one of my favorite yotubers (Logicked) pointed out, because he has a cartoon avatar or is usually a masked real life persona, it makes it a lot easier for people to focus on what he is saying that on who he is or what he looks like. And I think vtubers have it even better than that. Because an anime avatar jumps both hurdles at once. It makes it easier for people to enjoy the entertainment and the discussion but also provides entertainment and eye candy with the avatar itself. But since it is a not "real" woman, it's never distracting or boring enough to take away from the personality and the things the person behind the avatar is saying. In the end, Asmongold is not entirely correct in his analysis but does make a few good points. The best part of the video was the fact that you picked up on the things he got wrong and brought a different perspective.

It's easy, it is because Vtubers are cuties and deserve headpats ^^

I watched this whole video and it was based af. First time I've seen any of your content and it's an EASY subscription. I don't think I've ever seen a vtuber talk about the issue of men's mental health like you did here. Once again I feel inspired to become a vtuber like I wanted to. I already have a model... guess it's time to make use of it.

for some reason this just reminds me of Zoro and Kuina from one piece

9:54 and if i remember correctly, apparently it wasnt even a real thing, it was a troll

Just wanted to say I appreciate hearing your deep insights. I think between the two of you, really, you are debating Nature VS Nurture. *Sorry, it turned into a essay, read at your own peril. You definitely can do some of the things you suggested, such as listening and being more understanding to men's mental health issues or promoting more healthy ways of interacting- all that good stuff. However..... It's always going to be limited between the confines of our nature's, both as humans and biologically by what gender we were born. Evolution has also played an incredible large role in why we are the way we are. Women build support support networks because historical the Women in tribes who had more friends would have other women to help raise children, it was essentially a collaborative effort. Meanwhile the Men would typically go in small hunting parties or even solo to go hunt and these could be prolonged periods of time. Bringing in forwards from there, up until the advent of the Pill, which basically revolutionised the world for women, broadly speaking prior to it's invention, Women were stay at home mothers with support networks ranging from their neighbours to parent/child groups and so on, Meanwhile men would be the sole provider but work insane hours, basically having only his work friends. All of the above to say, for a very long time Men and Women have lived very different existences until recently and Evolution is a slow thing to change. Therefore, we are still hardwired the above manners, even if we no longer live that way or even if society has changed. And whilst we like to think we are fully in control of ourselves the reality is that we aren't. A lot of what drives us is in-effect, a type of "programming" psychologically speaking and it's incorrect to think it's source is the society you live or grew up in although society obviously has a limited effect. For example the color Pink, we'd consider it a "girls color" Is that true? No, it's a social construct. Centuries ago, Pink dyes were easier to make (just red with the white Linen, combined with Red dye from berries) but Blue (a masculine color) was much harder wnd more expensive hence why Royalty would wear Capes etc that were deep Blue colors, we even have the term "Blue blood" to refer to nobles and the term "Royal blue" as a pigment of color. However, the big things don't change regardless of the society; Are Men more aggressive? Yes Are Men more likely to operate in smaller social groups? Yes Are they hardwired to think about "spreading their seed?" Yes Because these deep-seated things are true it sadly DOES deeply impact the choices we make or how we feel. I'm not saying we are 100% slaves to our nature's, we definitely can defy or deny SOME of it.....but only SOME of it. Nature VS Nurture is the eternal tug of war we all have to suffer through and at a individual level, some of us are more in control, others less so. So my opinion is that the truth lies somewhere in the middle of you and Asmongold. ------ As for me, the cute factor thing helps but the biggest draw for me is gaming. I'm Autistic and Autistic people often have a "focus" Mines always been gaming or anything tangentially related. Anime, whilst not gaming, has intersected with the "geekdom" for decades and is at this point intertwined with gaming, often using the art style in gaming too. But for me, it's usually about the games and whether you are interesting. I watched Vox Akuma at times despite his following being mostly girls and gay guys and it can be fun. Equally I swap between all manner of Vtubers, provided they are playing a game I like and are interesting people. But I am not a typical viewer, i'm on the older side, in my 40s, got a kid and I'm a widower. I would imagine most viewers are in the 13-24 demographic and it's just a fact of life they are thinking about "doing it" s lot more. Inevitably they are going to be drawn to personal, cute voices and good looks, whether that's "fleshtubers" or "Vtubers" I bring age into this because it's a big factor imo. I remember a world pre-internet so how we lived grew up and interacted with people was VERY different. In some ways the modern day youth have it easier but others much harder. So much of their interactions are digital in nature that I imagine some of the "vtuber hate" is partially age related or partially coming from the less online guys. Anyways I could ramble all day, apologies for the essay.

I'm a guy here trying to be honest. I see a cute lady VTuber, I tapped on this video. As a guy, the appearance is the first thing I look at. You passed the looks department automatically. You have an objectively attractive VTuber model. But to be fair, I was interested with what you had to say about the topic. You did put on a show with your commentary. So I ended up watching the whole video and did genuinely enjoy it. I clicked for cute/hotness? But I did stay for personality. I watch Asmon too, a "flesh tuber" as you people call it. I don't care about his looks at all. But the dude is genuinely entertaining. And the way he says stuff so bluntly is very rare. He'll say what he thinks is true no matter what other people think. So in his case... I was interested in the title of the video, and simply watched what he had to say about it. I like his style of humor. His takes on things... I mostly agree on. I know this is weird coming from a dumb viewer like me, but here's a tip. Don't listen to what your audience says. "Listen/Observe" what they do. Try a social experiment. Make another channel of something that maybe does similar content to what you do? But don't use a VTuber model. You don't even have to show yourself irl. Probably your normal voice will do. Maybe you could use this as your content and share your findings on stream and on here on RU-vid. I think that would be an interesting watch. Anyways, hope you grow even more as a content creator. 👍

Asmon's argument of looks above personality in content creators is just an assumption at the end of the day, based on his own limited experience. Like he was saying about weather forecasters - there's actually been a study in 2020 that concluded that 2/3 of weather forecasters in US are men. Same or even more so in other countries. So take all of Asmons arguments with a big bunch of salt, most of the time he operates on the same old prejudices.

And you’re playing it smart.

I can "out cute" an anime girl, I'm ready to win

Its ironic that the ratio applies to majority of the Vtubers especially girls in Hololive. I love Azuki so much even before her 3rd makeover which really skyrocketed her popularity, but its a thing when you are competing against your own agency co-workers. Its not just a Japanese mentality as well. IRyS suffered a similar situation that her popularity increased after her 2.0 debut (aka Tofu Vtuber). IRyS and Azuki are great on their own, I was not bothered how they look like at all. But management had to really help and cater towards the looks to amplify their talents to shine even more.

54 minute reaction to a 16 minute video? A true asmongol experience. edit 1: 20:10 So True lol. If men have less depression and anxiety, explain the suicide rate?

That pole that Asmongold put on 24:14 is about regular streamers, not vtubers

I watch vtubers bc they actually put an effort into bein funny, entartaining, etc. You don't feel like they are just using their "beauty" to get viewers. like they feel more real in a way. and some vtubers are just down to earth and i enjoy that more.

Even when she agreed, it was with 100 reservations, she didn't give a single millimeter for anything. I think her ego was hurt.

Considering the topics that were being brought up I guess I could say that I’m part of a minority of guys that look for personality in everyone I watch whether it’s guys, girls, IRL Streamers or VTubers. I agree that Women are better at communicating than Men are, in a general term, but there are exceptions in certain fields where communication is a necessity in order to survive…like construction. Thankfully there are countermeasures to the Male Isolation mentality that are being implemented in major construction sites (as far as I know) throughout NA in the form anonymous call centres so men can get the help they need without feeling ridiculed for not “Dealing with it like a man”.

smartest vtuber woman takes 💀

If i where to pick one Vtuber (besides Gura because it's Gura come on just look at her) would be Shylily because of how genuinely impressive the expressions read her face also cause she's hilarious

Looks bring them in game play and personality keep them coming back

i totally agree with you btw

Out of interest, would the people here consider Porcelain Maid (Jowol) as a male vtuber or a female vtuber?

This might be a hot take but i honestly don't think men have less often depression and anxiety then women. My theory is based on 1: my personal experience as a man, 2: my personal experience in working with mainly men, 3: the social conditioning men go through as kids. I'm a man who is diagnosed with depression. It took a lot of time (around 4 years) to finally open up to my doctor that i do struggle with mental health. The reason for it was mainly feeling shame for not being able to handle it without help as a man because society says men aren't supposed to show feelings. Seeing that i am diagnosed with depression and am aware of my symptoms i do see the same symptoms with a lot of other men who just stop talking when the topic of mental health comes up. Ofcause i'm not a psychiatrist or psychologist so i can't be certain but it does seem likely to me that people with the same symptoms like mine also have a similar problem. And while i'm nowadays able to talk freely about my mental health and am happy to talk to people that are interested in getting to know what it is like to have these problems, most people just can't talk about it. The reason why i'm so open about my mental health is that i'm of the opinnion that society can only learn how to behave around/talk to people like me if we start to talk with them and try to explain how it is to live with mental illnesses. So yeah i think if we'd normalize men talking about problems i think the statistic would look drasticly different