[Limbus Company] A Status Archetypes Analysis and Thoughts 

quick reminder: dongbaek is in fact a real boss with sanity

Poise needs to be centered around crits and have a lot of poise count so they only have to worry about it once they start getting crits every attack. The two new poise IDs are good implementations of this with lots of crit effects and I hope to see the poise IDs before then get on their level whenever ut5 happens.

I remember mention in one of Esgoo’s video, that PM could make poise bypass/add Resistance by like 0.15x(for exemple) making it act like a defense mitigation tool.

An update on how things have changed since this video released as of 3-29-24: Burn: We have some more Burn IDs now so the issue of it having not enough IDs is mitigated a bit. Magic Bullet Outis in particular inflicts the unique status effect dark flame that essentially multiplies burn damage but dark flame is even slower than regular burn since all of her skills apply it next turn and just like regular burn it only deals damage at the end of the turn. Bleed: Bleed has ended up pretty good by piggybacking off of other archetypes. It's possible to build a bleed/poise team in the mirror dungeons that activates both the bleed and poise fusion gifts and if you can pull it off you've basically already won. This strategy is helped even further by the bleed and poise gifts being two of the best in the game. The primary envy resonance team is also composed of bleed IDs although they aren't very good at actually inflicting it outside of the mirror dungeon. Tremor: Tremor got an entirely new mechanic called Amplitude Conversion that lets you permanently convert it into other forms of tremor with additional powerful effects. Once you've used it on an enemy or part for the entire rest of the fight all tremor inflicted to the enemy or part is the converted type of tremor. So far we only have one new type of tremor called Tremor - Decay that greatly reduces enemy defense level but the wording of the ability implies that we will eventually get other versions of tremor. Rupture: While it was downplayed in the video, Rupture has been by far the most powerful status in the game ever since we got Talisman Sinclair and W Corp. Yi Sang. Like the video says, it is hard to maintain count but if you're careful you can easily get to 99 rupture potency and absolutely trivialise any boss in the game. This is especially powerful in the Refraction Railway where careful manipulation of rupture is one of the keys to getting a low turn count. Rupture has hardly changed since this video was released. The biggest difference is that now we have Lantern Dondon who's a great rupture ID that is very good at maintaining count. Sinking: Many of the tougher boss fights in recent chapters are against humans with sanity and the canto 5 villain in particular has very high SP regeneration so that aspect of sinking is starting to have more influence. However there is also a new boss who only has negative sanity skills so he effectively hard counters sinking teams. A few powerful new sinking IDs have been released. Dieci Hong Lu has very high DPS while still being count neutral on many of his skills and Butler Outis inflicts a special status called Echoes of the Manor that gives enemies a 50% chance to gain +1 sinking count whenever they gain sinking count or potency and spreads when the inflicted enemy panics. When inflicted on an enemy without sanity it reduces the chance of them flipping heads by 10%. Poise: Season 3 was the poise season and it has changed the most out of every status effect. No longer is it the cruel joke of a status ailment it was at launch. First of all, with nearly an entire season dedicated to it there are a lot of poise IDs so there are many viable teams. Many of the new poise IDs are good at maintaining both potency and count and provide extremely powerful rewards for getting crits with specific skills like Pirate Gregor and Pequod Yi Sang. There is also far more poise team support with several new IDs spreading poise to their allies making even the older poise IDs significantly better. However there is one new ID that completely changed the meta and that is Blade Lineage Mentor Meursault. BL Meursault makes every previous ID, poise or otherwise, look like a joke. He has amazing clash values, he can fuel his gimmick singlehandedly, he's capable of the highest DPS in the game. The biggest draw though is that he powers up every other blade lineage ID you bring with him to obscene levels, giving them absurd amounts of coin power, poise, and crit damage as long as you get 3 pride skills every turn which is incredibly easy to do since 5/6 of his skills are pride. The biggest problem with poise now is that they made one single team fueled by one single ID that's so good it makes any attempt to build a team other than Blade Lineage feel pointless since it will never be anywhere near as good. Charge: Charge has barely changed at all. The only new charge thing we've gotten since season 2 is the Blind Obsession E.G.Os. Looking only at the charge aspect, Blind Obsession Ishmael lets Reindeer Ishmael set up faster. Blind Obsession Ryoshu is weird, being a strange hybrid of poise and charge that isn't very good at using either. Since Ryoshu doesn't have an ID that focuses on both the E.G.O is pretty mediocre and generally isn't used even on her poise and charge IDs.

I find sinking count so much easier to maintain than rupture. Whenever I want to spice things up and bring the 7 association and red sheet, it's so hard to maintain and isn't affected by damage multipliers so I just end up regretting not bringing my sinking ids.

It would be cool some Status combos. Like cauterization, mixing Bleed and Burn, slow statuses together making it take them both go away and inflicting dmg based on Potency or somethin, they cool do some cool stuff.

0:54 PIRATE GREGOR SWEEP!!!

I have a few ideas for making charge more interesting: 1. Overcharged: When Charge count goes above 20 it gets consumed and gain 1 count of Overcharged. While Overcharged the sinner takes damage on each coin attack based on the potency of Overcharged and all Charge conditions are fulfilled while Overcharged, every times a sinner gains charge it's consumed and adds to Overcharged potency. (This is the Sinking Deluge of charge so here you go) 2. Making it so when a sinner gets hit they loose 1 charge count for every coin attack. A bit mean, but it relies on winning clashes which a lot of charge ID can do well enough at the begining of the combat anyway. It adds a little bit of a hindrace that is overcomed as sanity goes up but still makes undicriminate or AoE attacks still a threat if not dealt appropiately. 3. This one was the idea I had before coming up with Overcharged, bascially you take damage based on the amount of charge you have, this damage can either be true or elemental damage. I decided aganist it since 20 additional damage every coin attack was so damagerous that I came up with overcharged as a way to make it less punishing... But you know, it's simpler to explain that with great risk comes great rewards and makes it so bosses or enemies that self charge don't go balls to wall insane with overcharged and in a way you can gamble letting those enemies gain some charge for the additional damage that comes with having charge. I believe Overcharged is the more fun of these, and maybe mixing 2 and 3 would work as it would soften the blows since you loose charge and the damage you get when hit. tl:dr Great video and charge is boring as is right now.

Making a video like this must have been difficult. Thank you for your hard work. I did the same thing so I understand your struggle. (I don't understand English, so this is a sentence I made using Google Translate.)

need an updated ver of this

Nice. Here to share my opinion as well. Burn. Current one of weakest status. It's current situation is mostly carried by his high damage IDs than while having some below average clash power IDs. This make 99% of burn team damage is from their coin instead of their status. The team that I'm messing with is N Faust, N Don, Liu Sault, TT Hong Lu, Liu Ishamel, N Clair, Liu Gregor. The strenght of this team is being able to lust chain on its own also with the help of EGOs if needed to trigger N Faust passive. I learn that a 6 chain absolute resounance is +7 offensive level which help the IDs that have below average clash power(2.3 increase). N Don is pretty important as it inflicht a large amount of nail for fanatic, a large amount of tremor count for Capote Meursault and Lifetimestew Don is both good for Lust chain, it give enough Burn count to ditch Liu Hong Lu and its damage scale with Lust which in this team generate a lot. It's pretty satisfing to have all piece fit nicely. Sadly TT Hong Lu is just way better than Liu Hong Lu. You really don't need that extra burn count. As buff for the burn, I wish they add something that consume burn count to do more damage. Not on the way of sinking deluge but something that make the target take multiple tick of burn every turn but it consume more burn count. This kind status may make Liu Hong Lu actually useful for the team instead of being just a nice starter for burn count but doing nearly nothing after.that. Overall burn is on a nice state. They require slightly better IDs. Bleed. The status that got most support season 1 but it was mostly irrelevant for the season 2. The thing that killed bleed is everything else getting much better support while bosses get more actions making harder to stack bleed on them. I feel they need another 000 ID that apply bleed count before we can start to talk to them. Nail is currently too slow and most of N Corp doesn't even apply that much to begin with. Honestly I really wish for this status to work as I feel play around it is so much more interesting than the other status. Tremor. The situation for this status is that they have the pay off but they lack the enable. You can actually stack tremor potency and tremor count very fast compare to other status (minus Rime shank) but for how inherit slow is the status, it's still too slow. If it can get faster, I do think it have some potential to stagger enemies very fast to do the big damage allowing them to being better than other status on some case. I mostly theorycrafter this team: Molar Yi Sang, Regret Faust, N Corp Don/Boat Clair, Rosespanner Sault, LCCB Ishmael, Rose Rodion, Molar Outis. If you don't have resources, Boat Clair is better. If you have enough Lust resources and sanity, N Corp Don is much faster applier for Tremor count. For a synergy this slow, I feel this is much more relevant. Rupture. I feel this status have two different build you can go for. Rupture count style and talisman style. Talisman style is very easy. You apply talisman on the enemy and all allies with high coin or effect that trigger on low rupture potency get much more out of it. Something like W YiSang, W Don, W Ryoshu, W Meursault, R Cliff, Talisman Clair and G Corp Gregor sound like a good team for it. You can throw DS YiSang or AEDD Gregor to get more out of it but it's a very overall straightfoward way to build it. Honestly I like rupture count style more as it's a way to balance low coin by giving more value the single coin. A single coin sound much better if it can output more damage than triple coin. It give a lot of singular strike feeling to the team. The team is W Yisang, Seven Faust, Seven Cliff, LCCB Ishmael, RoseGregor. The last 2 member you decide between K Corp Hong Lu, Talisman Sinclair and Seven Outis. Each of them have different pro and con so it's up to player which one is more beneficial. Overall rupture is probably the third best stauts in the current game state. Poise. I honestly feel people understimate how much 20% is. I believe that on an ID with good numbers, it can overpower other status even with that 20%. Sadly PM decide poise deserve no IDs with good numbers. I also don't think consuming poise count after crit and at end of turn is the only thing that screw the status currently. I don't think it would be such big deal if PM didn't decide to also make their Poise Count gain absolute trash. Pirate Gregor is currently our best Poise ID and it work perfectly fine... with BL Yi Sang passive. I'm fine if PM want to screw other IDs that are not poise related if they can get Poise from other sources but can't they at least make the Poise IDs being able to play with their gimmick without extra help? Specially when they rely so much on their gimmick to perform decently (not even good). I don't think i have much to add to Sinking or Charge. They are currently the best status in the game.

9:04 That's the frenchiest "HOP LA" I've never heard

With how PM has been distributing Status among IDs, I believe the intended idea is to build teams with multiple statuses together instead of focusing on a singular status for a whole team. For an example, Capote and Ardor Blossom Star, while being wrath based burn ego, they both have tremor based mechanics built-in, to raise stagger. The intention is to perhaps build a team of tremor + burn, where the tremor raises the threshold and the burn gets you closer to that stagger. This mix idea is also present in Tremor + Sinking (Fluid sac, Spicebush YiSang, Molar Ish) LCCB Ish and Ryoshu attempt to mix Tremor + Rupture W corp and Dimension Shredder being Charge + Rupture

Charge has quite a few supporting buffs/debuffs like charge barrier and spark discharge which both seem pretty decent. Poison is also in the game too (though it functions much the same way as burn). And the fairy gentlemen's morale/tipsy debuffs are pretty cool and would make some decent ids where you need to manage your morale or you get debuffed. If there's one thing I'd like more of, its curse (only available thru hexnail faust ego). Maybe they could make an upgraded curse debuff or support.

Thread the best status effect 🔥

we now have dark flame from outis, although she's the only one that can "detonate" burn. it's a huge step in the right direction tho

I wish that we get an id that "when bursting tremor, if target has no stagger treshold, create one at tremor potency" It would be a nice thing for tremor all things considered

Haven't watch the video yet, but the Tumbnail goes hard

Regarding status effects, especially tremor, I think the issues lie more so in the game’s design than with the purpose of the effect. Right now the best way of dealing damage is through raw attack power. Taking advantage of sin atinities, type resistances and offense level allows you to do a lot of damage. In ruina the best you could do was double damage, but here you can easily get three or more times that, possibly without staggering first. Tremor is the one to suffer from this raw damage advantage the most because it relies on purely stagger, which cannot be done twice (on most enemies) and raw damage would’ve staggered them in the first place. What would change the current state of status effects is for future enemies to have more resistances and few to none weaknesses. In Lob corp some waws and most alephs were resistant to everything and in ruina enemies literally didn’t have anything above a 1x multiplier on damage for all damage types, and getting 1x was lucky. So later on taking advantage of status effects and gimmicks of fights was the only way to beat them. The only reason why my resistance argument doesn’t work for Limbus’s current state on raw damage superiority is because this is only chapter 5, with 7 or more chapters to come it’s like we’re barely getting to love town in ruina. Later on these effects will really need to be taken advantage of if we wish to succeed. A good example is with the electric centipede in railway. Without rimeshank’s sinking it would be almost impossible to deal enough damage to the head to break its shield. You’d either need to ego spam or have your a fire team be blunt and gloom to do it. I am highlighting this fight because you need to take advantage of status effects and mechanics to win it. In this same fight if the head is broken by the time it uses its shield a second time it will spend all of its change on a nonexistent shield, effectively killing itself. In short, it’s it down to not the status affect’s viability, but rather the game’s current state of being raw damage oriented. Later on more resistant enemies will become common place, like MDH2 bull, where raw damage won’t cut it, and one will need to rely on either status effects, fight gimmicks, or both.

Damn, I was wondering about the different archetypes and didn’t realise they each corresponded to a sin, that’s neat! Also, if you are planning to make more videos could you go over each status optimal team and play style? I’m trying to get into sinking and would like help on the discount rupture

I see where you're coming from regarding Rupture being a tough team to maintain, especially with the current team you're using. However, in my experience, Rupture is a solid and easy-to-maintain team. All it really needs is AEDD Gregor and ID Tailismen Sinclair, and the rest of the team should be multi-coined gloom units. You won't need a lot of counts since all the gloom hits will be natural. I usually add seven Faust gloom S2s to add count. I really like this team because I can use the most multicoined gloom skills to dish out the most damage in one turn. I understand it might be reset-heavy outside of RR2; however, in RR2, you can juggle skills and only reset for the speeds. And you can run Rupture team (talisman/spark discharge) as a secondary to, for example, Charge team easily. If you're interested in seeing the concept in action, you can check the latest upload in my channel!

I made my first meal at 2 am after walking around for 3-4 hours straight feeling sick, and when the mac and cheese finished cooking, i put the powder in the pot, and I opened the fridge, there was 1 droplet of milk left. Cheatgrass seeds into fire buff

Bro charge doesn't need any more buffs, it's already the strongest status in the game by a country mile.

I kinda want to turn tremor into a pseudo "omni count" status since if you're being knocked off your feet easily you're more susceptible to additional damage (im my mind anyway) k was thinking that (since theres so much tremor application in the game) whenever you burst tremor you would lower the potency by a quarter rounded DOWN and inflict count by that number this would both add the risk of lowering your potential potency and breaking your chain by adding rupture units but also add the potential prize of gaining more count than you'll ever need the ratio of loss of potency might be too high but i think thats alright

Outis' Sunshower EGO is insane for building up Poise, flatly giving you 7 count and straight up 2 Poise every clash (don't even need to win) basically gets you maxed out anyways. With that being like the only realistic usage for Poise and it being locked around a pretty much self-sufficient EGO seems disappointing, as the passive basically removes any need for actually running a Poise ID since you'll get the same benefit anyways - not to mention Outis doesn't even have a half-decent Poise ID in the first place. Bleed feels extremely hollow, rather than increasing damage (Rupture & Sinking) on hit or having a sort of burst mechanic (Tremor & Burn), you're left with... being hurt before an attack. Everything else requires some sort of incentive to get the payoff, whether that be having to actually attack to make use of it or needing to apply constant count, whereas Bleed you don't really need anything. This pretty much leaves Bleed with tons of limitations: developing it as a status is completely dependant on progression difficulty (number of attacks and counteractive passives), little to no current support as it'd outweigh every other status otherwise, paradoxical nature with how it works as its best to apply on enemy defensive turns and works best with stalling to reach max profit out of it which contradicts the aggressiveness of the status - and, finally, Bleed will pretty much always be nerfed in "real" fights. To fix it, I'd probably set it to active at the end of each actual coin hit (when attacking or attacked) to function like rupture going both ways to make it so its not so much dependant on what the enemy does (winning against a one coin clash turn for instance), and to balance it I'd make it so its only applicable when hitting Health to make some neat interactions with shield. Former would take two major categories of units taken in: one with small amount of coins for big bleed and another with high amount for smaller, allowing for stuff like Bleed Charge and more variance in Bleed units - also allowing for different turn styles as playing defensive and selectively attacking can help while going full on aggression might burn out the potency at the cost of major damage. Latter would reduce the consistency of it in most major fights while retaining the logic behind it (hitting a shield and inflicting bleed, what) and allow for both a fair weakness with losing aggressiveness against defense (makes shield less of an additional health bar) and a way for strong enemies to have a way around it. Following on with changes to Bleed, it'd be cool seeing Tremor dealing shield damage when being burst to be much more of an anti-defensive asset. The way it functions now is combatting low stagger threshold enemies that are naturally tanky from this while serving no real usage after the jobs done since only so many thresholds, with it dealing shield damage making it more of a consistent threat while still making sense for the most part (blunt breaking the inside electronics of a shield or such, think that damned centipede being hydraulic pressed into no worky status). Also, now we've got the Middle identities with the "status" of Vengeance Mark, each Middle passive should apply to it in general so its much more of a bonus rather than a placeholder. Think Don and Meursalt applying +1 Final Power for the whole team. This also fits with the entire aesthetic of the Middle with they're meant to work together, and when one of them dies all of them get weaker cohesively, making team members a lot more valuable as losing Meursalt means -1 Final Power for everyone involved. Plus, this allows for a lot more leniency in design, different types of Middle users could provide more unique passives like healing whenever they slay a Marked enemy.

I love poise. But its really annoying to build it up from the start. Even ids like bl sang or k rodion needs to do certain combination in order to start. I was wondering about a series of egos that dedicates to poise eould be ideal. Examples. On a crit gain x poise and y count (once per turn) Gain 1.5 poise potency and count from skills (rounded down) And these are only plausible passives. Egos them selves couldve being devasting like AOE critical attack.

18:34 _Drowning_

they really hook new players up with tremor being their first real setup and huh ive played for about 4 days now and ive basically only gotten paralyze or explicit stat up/downs to actually do something. also am i doing something wrong or is there a massive leveling wall at 3-16 to 3-22

i get so sad whenever i recall poise is a thing, like every ID it has is pretty cool but the status itself is so ass

Mirror bosses pov when fighting my team: -99 hp -99 hp -99 hp -99 hp -99 hp -99 hp

burning deluge came, say hi from the future

26:38 bringing our solo powerhouse in ANY team isn't a good idea I think

Charge and sink wait what there are more ?

i wonder where's poison...

the burn part has aged quite pourly

Tremor is bad but regret faust exists though? Jk i know it still sucks but it does make it a bit better, actually giving something extra on tremor count that everyone, even non tremor ids can benefit from, thats cool coming from tremor at least But its still ass because that effect does not benefit from tremor potency. Not gonna stop me from taking my tremorers to the weekly dungeon.

"ishmael is the only ID with damage up based on Burn potency", or maybe it was count, either way... No? Liu Gregors sloth skill is a 4 coin skill that deals 10% more damage if the opponent has 6+ burn, and If it WAS count, Liu Hong Lu gets coin power on his S3, iirc it requires 6 burn count.

to be completely honest you kinda lost me with the ideas to "improve" the effects, but the explanation and presentation of each effect is great, thank you!

Tremor could use effect like If no stagger thresholds remain create one at 0 hp then burst tremor

I think they went into the right direction giving Tremor IDs having an additional effect when boosting Tremor, like Regret Faust letting all burst IDs inflict defense level down. It turns tremor into a mix and match kind of effect, depending on what you want it to do. Of course this could become hard to balance down the line, especially if they add too many party wide passives that modify how tremor works. Rupture really needs to work as a status effect that lets single coin IDs remain viable compared to multi coin skills. Single coins with high bases but low coin values, decent count infliction, and good rupture potency would let single IDs snowball better without needing to overclock their skillls.

imagine having your only id that can be count positive on every skill being a walpurgis 2 star id smh... ....😭...😭😭😭 pelase..... i need my count

i didnt watch the video before commenting

What language is that

To be honest, most of the time status are as good as flavor text, most of them don't have enough good Ids neither apply enough for them to be relevant.

Red Sheet Clair for Rupture lel

I cant understand a word

0:00 thw pronounciation wasnt even that bad ngl