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Line 6 HELIX vs TUBE AMP - Can You Hear The Difference?? 

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@davidjohnston4240
@davidjohnston4240 5 лет назад
If I didn't already have a Mesa tube amp, dropping $1,000 on the helix might seem like a decent choice compared to getting a tube amp. I think I'd be better off improving my fingers.
@leovilla1857
@leovilla1857 2 года назад
You can get some Mesas on Reverb for around $1,000. Nomad 45 and 55 combos are around $800-$1000 and Blue Angels like his are there for about $1000 That said Helix did sound pretty good and for studio gigs may even be preferable
@killybilly685
@killybilly685 2 года назад
@@leovilla1857 what amp should I get for like $800 you think should I got for mesa or some sort of tube amp? Kinda newish to guitar looking for an upgrade from my Marshall Code 25.
@Evan-tj1te
@Evan-tj1te 2 года назад
@@killybilly685 Personally I use an EVH 5150 40 watt tube combo. It sounds great and you can get crystal clean tones all the way the metal overdrive. I've played gigs with it and it always does good 👍🏻
@pandiwan6376
@pandiwan6376 6 лет назад
Insane, erevy time I tought "yeah that one sound a bit more artificial" it turns up to be, the real amp lol. Amazed by the work line6 have done with the Helix.
@wyattguell2533
@wyattguell2533 4 года назад
I'm honestly in love
@GuitarTherapy144
@GuitarTherapy144 4 года назад
@@wyattguell2533 well, mic placement...EQ ..
@MrFreevo
@MrFreevo 4 года назад
Helix is perfect. It depends on your settings, IRs,... It is an absolutely fantastic universe of sounds.
@jaydensuttles5198
@jaydensuttles5198 2 года назад
Funny, I had the opposite experience
@shakealeg88
@shakealeg88 2 года назад
Haha same for me... I need to get a Helix
@johanstubbs8556
@johanstubbs8556 6 лет назад
I got three out of five correct. On some clips the Helix sounded better and on others the Blue Angel sounded better. Lesson learned: You can make an amp modeler sound good and you can make it sound just OK; you can make a tube amp sound good and can make it sound just OK.
@RabidChasebot
@RabidChasebot 2 года назад
The tones were fairly similar but different enough for me to just decide to go with "Which one do I like better?" instead of "Which one is the modeler vs amp?". I ended up 4 out of 5 in favor of the Helix :O
@Dimas5
@Dimas5 3 года назад
I actually preferred the helix almost every time. The cleans are so rich and sparkly. The dirty sounds were muffled sometimes but like you said, you can dial that in to make them more like an amp. I was kinda on the fence of getting a helix but now I am sold!
@SixStringflyboy
@SixStringflyboy 2 года назад
Same here.
@martyshwaartz971
@martyshwaartz971 2 года назад
Getting around the muffled sound on the helix is really difficult. I loaded ownhammer IRs and it pretty much solved the problem, very open and present.
@nsc217
@nsc217 Год назад
Talk is cheap… If he could have dialed them up to get them to sound more like an amp, then why didn’t he?
@Dimas5
@Dimas5 Год назад
@@nsc217 maybe he doesn't have any hands
@Dimas5
@Dimas5 Год назад
@@nsc217 I think he was trying to give the default sounds you can expect to get out of the box.
@buzzcrushtrendkill
@buzzcrushtrendkill 5 лет назад
I love your blind tests. It blows are the conventional "wisdom" out the window and forces players to confront their own biases.
@bwakeman
@bwakeman 6 лет назад
I could hear massive differences between the two, but I could never tell which was which. Both sounded good. So I don’t know what that means 😑😂
@asmallfarmhomestead3657
@asmallfarmhomestead3657 6 лет назад
Bryan just means they’re different! Different doesn’t mean one is “better”. There are some tube amps that sound terrible to me and other perfect. Just a preference
@ssolo8
@ssolo8 6 лет назад
Amen! I just commented the same thing before I saw yours... "Give me a tuba and I'll get you something out of it." John Lennon
@louisaccardi6808
@louisaccardi6808 6 лет назад
I could tell the difference of a tube amp any day. Since I hardly use any effects I know the difference. I would agree that some tube amps sound terrible. However, I have an old Ampeg Jet that is in near excellent shape, and sounds great with a Strat, and a 1963 Fender Deluxe with 6v6 old RCA tubes that is the sweetest sounding amp.
@JoelGFigures
@JoelGFigures 6 лет назад
Sweetest sounding to you. Tone is all subjective. One tone is not better than the other. Depending on what you're looking for a darker sounding amp vs a brighter sounding amp might be better for you. You can literally tweak any amp to give a specific type of sound within the dynamic range of the amp.
@michaelcarey9359
@michaelcarey9359 6 лет назад
No. Tone is NOT subjective. There are CLEAR differences in tone between solid state (even modellers that cost more than the tube amps they "model" XD) and tube amps, and science has pretty much shown objectively that the human ear and brain find the sounds of tubes much more pleasing. It's one of the reasons why high-end audioplhile amplifiers still have tubes in them. There is no tone in an algorithm.
@Eliteguitarschool
@Eliteguitarschool 6 лет назад
The first gig I did with the helix was one of the best guitar sounds I've had in 35 years. I play a lot of small clubs and it's tough to get a good mic sound in some of these rooms sometime and still have a nice full tone. I also use it for my Van Halen tribute shows. The funny thing was the phase 90 and flanger in the Helix have an extremely smooth beautiful tone. It was actually to smooth it too beautiful so I had to go back to the original mxr phaser and Flanger to get eddies sound. I also have played in the Stevie Ray Vaughan tribute band. The Helix did a great job with that as well. Bottom line is I believe that the digital equipment has caught up and even in some way surpassed old traditional amps. And of course the convenience totally outweighs using the old standard floor pedals and amplifiers.
@rutledgeleland2538
@rutledgeleland2538 Год назад
yeah the differences are so subtle / but the convenience of the the Board is huge and also probably less maintenance as well
@RonRuminski
@RonRuminski 6 лет назад
I have to admit...there were several times that I actually liked the Helix a bit better. Great video.
@Terrysoddy
@Terrysoddy 4 года назад
Ron Ruminski yea me to , I thought the helix sounded great
@antonios9157
@antonios9157 4 года назад
Same for me
@redmirage13
@redmirage13 4 года назад
I did too. I'm glad I've one.
@alvaroantonioocampogrey2823
@alvaroantonioocampogrey2823 4 года назад
Me too, shame on me :'( jj
@chriscarroll2330
@chriscarroll2330 4 года назад
I agree.. I amazed that the helix sounded so good. Tube amps always sound great. But they are heavy. Pain in the ass to haul around.
@robertcurrie8510
@robertcurrie8510 6 лет назад
In my opinion, the Helix sounded richer. The technology has come a long way.
@borodinski8960
@borodinski8960 4 года назад
Mesa has much better dynamics. I could hear it in all 5 samples
@lohikarmi235
@lohikarmi235 4 года назад
I think this might be caused by the mic placement or the preamps
@taurushamilton2739
@taurushamilton2739 4 года назад
Agreed
@albertogaspar7062
@albertogaspar7062 3 года назад
@@borodinski8960 idk real amps are harder to eq in mix. The sound guy will do more eq to the guitar If you have a real amp. If you got a modeler then it will make the sound guy life easier. Real amps sound like 80 or 90 music not really that good for modern music. Modelers are now more efficient
@UXBen
@UXBen 3 года назад
@@albertogaspar7062 “real amps sound like 80s or 90s music” that’s an interesting take. I’d imagine that’s more to do with the genre(s) you’re into, as much of the circles I run in are all about vintage gear and analog pedals. We’re constantly looking for the natural warmth and tone of ‘ye olden days’ 😅 That said, Line 6 has certainly come a long way - their old modelers of the 90s-00s were really terrible.
@RGMDG
@RGMDG 5 лет назад
Both sounded good, but in almost every case I chose the Mesa.. Thanks for the demo.
@jimliedeka3978
@jimliedeka3978 6 лет назад
I definitely preferred the Blue Angel for clean tones. With distortion, it went back and forth. Either way, the Helix sounded fine. If I didn't know what I was listening to, I don't think I would have known it wasn't an amp.
@MRxr400
@MRxr400 5 лет назад
I agree. I heard Brett Kingman put it very well. the audience always hears the recorded or mic'd tone of amps, and the processors are so close, it's pretty hard to tell. It's also worth noting the valve amp you have may sound great, though pretty handy to dial in other great amp tones. I've a mesa and would love to have a ac30 tone at times. can't afford both and certainly don't want to take two amps to a gig.
@siriusfun
@siriusfun 5 лет назад
That's true re: audience, however the player interacts with the instrument which interacts with the gain stages of the amp - tubes being very much their own thing. That interaction informs the player and accounts for much of the 'mojo' felt. @@MRxr400
@damiengreen28
@damiengreen28 5 лет назад
I was opposite I thought the mesa sounded way better driven yet the very first test I thought the helix was the tube amp.
@bonusduckmann9997
@bonusduckmann9997 6 лет назад
Ignore me im just a digitech rp1000 user.
@DarrellBraunGuitar
@DarrellBraunGuitar 6 лет назад
+Benito Faggotini 😄👍 I grew up on a Zoom 505 lol
@propyro85
@propyro85 5 лет назад
I still have my RP100 I got for Christmas while I was in high school.
@jasonhelms9129
@jasonhelms9129 6 лет назад
I've always been a tube amp snob, but I have to say as a touring guitar player that began using a Line 6 unit about 8 months ago, I've never had a better touring rig. It's always dependable, quick setup/teardown, it sounds the same no matter the conditions and zero stage volume interfering with my bandmates or the soundman. I run a powered monitor straight out of the back and sit it side by side with my monitor from the front of house, aimed away from my bandmates, and it sounds fantastic. If I need to tweak the tone, or create new tones I have my laptop and it's super simple. I also use the JT Variax and I never have to tune or capo the guitar. Slide in open G? step on a button, then back to standard tuning after the solo. Crazy Led Zeppelin tunings? No problem. Drop B? No problem. Drop C#....you get the point.
@garykarczewski6678
@garykarczewski6678 Год назад
I vote for the Helix. I own one and with the new 3.06 update it is even more fabulous than ever. You can compare for ever but when it is mixed into a song either live or in a DAW the differences are not noticeable. Long live the Helix.
@standemandg1586
@standemandg1586 6 лет назад
Somehow you can clearly hear the difference. Both sound great but the tube amp really has more of that warm natural sound to it.
@daneclarkcollins
@daneclarkcollins 2 года назад
I guessed every one of them. I liked the tube amps better. But I’m surprised how close they were.
@stratplayr6997
@stratplayr6997 3 года назад
I was actually able to pick out the Helix on all but one of those tests. But with that said, the tones were very close each time. Kudos to Line 6 for doing a great job with the Helix. I've been considering buying a Helix for a multi-purpose rig, this has just about confirmed my choice (on top of other videos and reviews I've been checking out). Only question to answer now is whether to get the floorboard or the rack unit?
@petert7449
@petert7449 6 лет назад
I honestly like both Its an affordability issue. The Mesa Boogie amp sounded better on some comparisons and the Helix on some others. You can do with just one, but if you can have both in my opinion its better. Thanks great review
@richardjones7491
@richardjones7491 4 года назад
Hey! The crunch test was amazing for the HELIX. Do you still have the preset? Can I purchase?
@jitsroller
@jitsroller 4 года назад
I missed three times. I thought the amp sounded best. To me it sounded more rich more warm and as it broke up it had a certain smoothness, like a good bite of chocolate, lol that made me know it was the tube amp. Thanks for all your work man, I love your content.
@HARwinsOUTagain
@HARwinsOUTagain 6 лет назад
The Helix sounded great! Even if it was off by a tiny bit, the convenience definitely outweighs that drawback.
@MarkEaster
@MarkEaster 5 лет назад
We are entering into a new era. Think of the tube amps as the “bag phones” and think of the Helix as the new Droid or iPhone. Which is more convenient to carry? Which is easier to use? Perhaps more versatile vs costs? These new modelers are getting better by each manufacturer release. If you are a working musician, would you rather carry a few pounds of equipment or a few hundred? 😳 The real question is tone! Both sound really good! At a bar or wedding after a couple of rounds of drinks, can the guests really “care to tell the difference?” or will they be out there dancing having a great time? Get my point? Then you can load up your stuff in a smart car hopefully with your pay and go home. If I played out any more, I would definitely look at a Helix or something similar. I have one nice tube amp setup and a Champion 20 modeling amp for cheap fun.
@WebbChannel1
@WebbChannel1 4 года назад
Just to add my 2 cents - I'm a vintage tube amp collector. Bought and sold many-many amps (and guitars). One of the NICEST tube tone solid state amps I heard (and own) is the Fender Princeton Chorus. I have the 210 cab version. And most ORANGE CRUSH solid states have a really nice rich tube tone as well. Just saying ...
@thefirstdude
@thefirstdude 5 лет назад
I was impressed with how nice the Helix sounded. Any chance you can run a Boss GT-100 through its paces?
@BrantleyAllen
@BrantleyAllen 6 лет назад
That is incredible. It really at the point one can't tell the difference. the Helix definitely is a bit brighter and the distortion has a different quality. Truly fantastic.
@thomasanderson9202
@thomasanderson9202 Год назад
I could hear that Amp 1 was the Helix right way. I do use Pod GO every day and I love it but the amp sims have a certain cold stiffness in the sound that is easy to hear when there are clean tones.
@johncrafton8319
@johncrafton8319 6 лет назад
This is the first time I've ever gotten all of them right. I usually suck at this. ;) It seemed, to me, that the Helix lacked some of the overtones and detail that the Mesa Boogie brought. Even so, it still sounded great!
@1969MARKETING
@1969MARKETING 4 года назад
after 3 years nobody is going to mention all the lint Darrell has on his hoodie?! I could knit a shirt out of this :)
4 года назад
lol
@PedalPoopers
@PedalPoopers 4 года назад
I don't think anyone really cares, especially if nobody has mentioned it in 3 years but hey, you're counting!
@ravencole2740
@ravencole2740 4 года назад
Are you sure it's not dandruff?
@1969MARKETING
@1969MARKETING 4 года назад
@@ravencole2740 if it is then it's the worst case of dandruff i've ever seen in my life. looks like he walked outside in a snow storm then came back in to shoot the video :)
@1969MARKETING
@1969MARKETING 4 года назад
@David Speller yep and evidently the non melting kind :)
@brendandoherty9379
@brendandoherty9379 6 лет назад
Yea it was pretty easy for me personally to tell which 1 the amp was, but I'm betting with a bit more tweaking you could make that test a lot harder. The helix sounded good but Dam that amp sounds incredible, thanks for doing this review like this, it was fun
@charliewesley94
@charliewesley94 5 лет назад
Surprisingly, I like the sound of the Helix better (it sounded brighter, more saturated). After test 1 it was pretty easy to tell them apart.
@winn4music243
@winn4music243 4 года назад
I think its harder to tell a difference when hearing the tones in a video compared to right in front of you. I just can't replace the sound of a tube amp right next to me. Helix has improved things a lot but I just don't feel you can replace the sound of a tube amp in a live situation. Both have advantages and disadvantages. I guess just buy both! 😁
@dpajc056
@dpajc056 4 года назад
Tube amp cannot be replaced. For practicality the helix wins but if you want the pure tone, it falls short. So many people watch the videos and comment without experiencing both. In my experience with both, helix is seriously underwhelming especially with the price tag and all the hype behind it.
@HiredGoonage
@HiredGoonage 3 года назад
@@dpajc056 fully disagree, the amps are nothing great, and by the time you add all the pedals and the maintenance, the Helix is a way better deal
@ts4gv
@ts4gv 3 года назад
@@dpajc056 Play blindfolded and have a friend hook you up to various amps. Only then will you know what you really think.
@Olli3_Morris
@Olli3_Morris 3 года назад
@@dpajc056 when you say pure tone what do you mean by that? In most places you play you have to play the amp at a pretty quiet or not optimal volume for the valves to really shine, and so by having a helix, kemper or Acs1/Strymon Iridium you get the amp at 11, yes you may not have “the feel” but tbh what the audiences here’s out front of house is a mic in front of an amp and what do the alternatives I said earlier do? The exact same (mic in front of an amp 😂) also from a purely practical thought, surely not taking an amp which are normally super heavy and awkward to carry (and also pack in the car because they are big) is amazing. Yes when you get to push a Valve amp it may sound 2-5% better but that is a very rare opportunity and then again I would rather have the same tone every where I play but also have the option of changing amps for each song but also having access to any amps I could only dream of is a wonderful thing.
@DMoots
@DMoots 6 лет назад
+1 for the scientific testing!
@hassanbayomy7566
@hassanbayomy7566 5 лет назад
Helix Lt, i like it but most important i can afford it, that is a kind of "end of discussion" for me :). And the sound? Close enough.
@samjyang4209
@samjyang4209 3 года назад
This is the conclusion I've come to. Yes it is all about the budget and I am not a world touring musician so why pay that much money (unless you want to :) but not my thing)
@EOHRyan
@EOHRyan 6 лет назад
I was 50% fooled by the Helix, surprised.
@christopherlua11
@christopherlua11 Год назад
I get these correct so far %100 of the time. The difference isn’t really the tone, but the responsiveness. The real amps respond to dynamic playing much more than the helix. The real amps go from crystal clean to grit with how hard you dig in. The helix kinda just gets quieter with the same level of gain. They both sound great though and serve their purposes
@ianbrown4386
@ianbrown4386 Год назад
I don't think some people understand a true point to point , tube rectified , real tube amp. A amp without a single ic or diode or transistor, a actual real tube amp, most people have never played one, they will never understand 😂
@petheato3291
@petheato3291 Год назад
I have some tube amps (some of them tube rectified and point to point wired …) and a helix stomp xl - the helix does not behave in the way you are describing at all. It is just as dynamic and behaves just as any tube amp does when you change the attack of your picking, or rolling the volume down. The reason I got one in the first place is because I was shocked at how dynamic it is . There are some tiny differences, but the dynamics aren’t one of them . The biggest fault I have with it is that it’s sort of hard to learn. It’s much easier to just turn my tweed champ knob to five and play guitar. I’ll never get rid of the helix though, it is a game changer for playing shows.
@ianbrown4386
@ianbrown4386 Год назад
@@petheato3291 :) let's agree to disagree what do ya say my friend ?
@peaudunk
@peaudunk 10 месяцев назад
@@ianbrown4386 add an alnico speaker to that and it is more alive than can be currently modeled.
@OG_Wakanobi
@OG_Wakanobi 5 лет назад
In almost every instance, I guessed wrong. However, in every instance I preferred the Helix. I'd love to try one.
@coreyclark6505
@coreyclark6505 6 лет назад
Both sound great... there were some noticeable differences in the EQ which threw me off on a few samples. Been a long time since I saw a video with one of those boogies.
@gonzaloacevedo
@gonzaloacevedo 6 лет назад
I Liked the Helix but the Blue Angel sounded way better...
@louisaccardi6808
@louisaccardi6808 6 лет назад
Yes, that was my feeling as well. Further, when you are playing live outside the tubes have more push.
@keithspillett7312
@keithspillett7312 6 лет назад
Gonzalo Acevedo That's the point isn't it? The Helix sounds good in its own right, and I suspect the difference between it and the Blue Angel is probably more noticeable to the player than to the listener!
@keithspillett7312
@keithspillett7312 6 лет назад
EgoShredder As players, I think we'd have a more satisfying experience from the Boogie!
@sn95_mustang_garage
@sn95_mustang_garage 6 лет назад
My Helix LT is under the Christmas tree right now, wife bought it for me. I know when you played the Helix just from all the demo's I've been watching (which is a lot). The Matchless is a dirty amp right out of the gate. Another banger of video D.
@DarrellBraunGuitar
@DarrellBraunGuitar 6 лет назад
+JamCave Studio Nice!! Congratulations 😀
@darkuddy
@darkuddy 6 лет назад
Cong...ns you got the cool wife :)
@jasonwilliamshuck
@jasonwilliamshuck 6 лет назад
i gig regularly with my LT and have presets built for 4-cable method for all my different tube amps and also for DI to the mixer. it's such a sleek, versatile, intuitive and excellent-sounding device. you'll love it!! merry Christmas!
@metallion6881
@metallion6881 6 лет назад
Line 6 is junk
@danielallan5058
@danielallan5058 6 лет назад
MetalLion 68 pods where good..wouldn't say the dl4 was junk either!
@strangereastern6832
@strangereastern6832 Год назад
To me the Helix sounded like rubbish. It was thin, fuzzy and artificial. Processor sounds are a disappointment.
@sonofbarnsey
@sonofbarnsey 5 лет назад
Every single time I ended up liking the Helix in the blind test. I've never liked the Blue Angel much anyways
@YIRMASTER
@YIRMASTER 6 лет назад
The tube amp actually sound more muffled and muted, the other sounds more vibrant IMO.
@torreyintahoe
@torreyintahoe 4 года назад
not
@DJBuglip
@DJBuglip 4 года назад
I heard em exactly the other way around.
@chelfyn
@chelfyn 6 лет назад
For most of the A/Bs I found myself preferring the Helix, but they were often quite different sounds, which makes things very subjective. They both sounded excellent, and within a mix I certainly think the benefits of the helix (versatility, direct input, quiet and cost) easily outweigh the cool factor of a classic tube rig.
@icenic_wolf
@icenic_wolf 6 лет назад
I have a MB MarkV:35, but the Helix still got me on comparison #3. This is a great demo, not just production-wise but playing, too. Keep up the great work!
@DarrellBraunGuitar
@DarrellBraunGuitar 6 лет назад
+Jeff Hazen - icenic_wolf Thanks Jeff!
@doulosmusicministry
@doulosmusicministry 3 года назад
Really fun reading this thread of comments. I rarely comment but I'll throw my hat in the ring. So many comments about the sounds as if the helix native (specifically as this is a recorded sound) is about sounding like an amp in your living room. For this recording, it's not the point. I saw people talking about how they have played tube amps forever so they knew the difference. Not the point. I played for about 20 years on a mesa and I know what it sounds like. But I've produced for 30 and the sound that comes out of the speakers hangs on a whole lot of other factors. What microphones were used? Was the engineer good at placing them? Preamps? Mixing? What we hear on a video has nothing to do with placing a tube amp in a room and strumming some chords. And the same is true for live. Again, playing in your house or even in a small club is one thing. Once that amp has to be mic'd it's a whole other world. I was primarily a piano player and had the chance to play live on a beautiful grand for over a decade. I loved it. The sound engineers were always trying to get me to play on a keyboard. Can I tell the difference between a grand piano and a keyboard playing live...um...yeah. However, how far back in the audience are they not hearing any ambient sound? It's just what comes out of the speakers. So we went through so many mic configurations and styles, when, in the end, any high-end Keyboard sounded more like a grand piano than the grand piano to those people hearing it out of the speakers. I hated having to listen through monitors or in-ears, but it was mixed better and sounded better. So let's all take a step back and think about this a little differently, or not, I don't care, but it's not just about which sounds more like a tube amp. It's which one sounds more like a tube amp that you could record. I am writing this will a dozen tube amps behind me that I haven't used on a recording in close to a decade. I get better sounds with the helix native and amplitube (especially the fender 2), and when it's in the mix I get compliments from guitarists I deeply respect. But if you've got a great mic cabinet full of options, a great engineer, really good preamps and a whole lot of time, rock those vintage amps. Just my 6.5 cents on the subject
@oBrunoValenti
@oBrunoValenti 5 лет назад
After the second test i was able to tell wich one apart.. But i liked Line 6 better, love the full body it gets
@MarkGardner66Bonnie
@MarkGardner66Bonnie 6 лет назад
I have to say that I am a fan of tube tone (I have a Mesa 5/50 Express) but have to admit that the Helix sounded great. If I was still playing out I would consider a Helix as I know it has to be lighter than my Mesa. Great job!
@Belcantoz
@Belcantoz 5 лет назад
From this test, the Blue Angel sounded way far greater than the Helix... Oh... what a sweet buttery tone from the Blue Angel
@admtech69
@admtech69 4 года назад
I like the Helix for clean tones and the Mesa Boogie for distorted tones.
@pedromendoza6012
@pedromendoza6012 11 месяцев назад
For me I prefer the amp tones that I'm used to play for years. Maybe I'm too old for new tecnologies.
@DreidMusicalX
@DreidMusicalX 5 лет назад
Sadly I preferred the Helix in nearly every run. Also in a couple cases the Angel sounded cheap.
@derekchapman5167
@derekchapman5167 5 лет назад
@Andrew Frost Why would that be the case? Thankfully, in 99% of live situations you can't have loud stage volume any more, and if you do it's more of an irritation to the rest of the band, the audience or FOH/monitor engineer. Once mic'd, and mixed, no one will tell the difference, and that's come from the experience of 1000s of gigs on tiny stages to full-sized festival stages. It's for that reason that a lot of great-sounding players prefer a Kemper, or the like, rather than a ludicrous load-in/loud-out of the studio/recording based equipment.
@FEV369
@FEV369 5 лет назад
I had that happen to me. I actually thought "There is that warmth they talk about." Then he says it was the Helix...
@terrillmel
@terrillmel 5 лет назад
Honestly, there is one massively inherent flaw with the comparison. The sound of the Mesa was really -> Mesa, plus microphone, plus recording technique, plus room, plus interface. It could sound vastly different just based on how you recorded it. However, the comparison did show that the helix sounds great.
@zaxxon4
@zaxxon4 5 лет назад
It was four of the five blind tests for me (Helix, Mesa, Helix, Helix, & Helix). I wanted to prefer the amp, but that's not how it worked out.
@speedriff
@speedriff 5 лет назад
Derek Chapman or you can use a small head and speaker and run into a Universal Audio OX Box. Then you have your amp tone at whatever level you want and stereo to FOH.
@rentblop8070
@rentblop8070 5 лет назад
I had a 100% accuracy on spotting the actual amp. Since I play mostly digital stuff myself for many years now I can spot the digital stuff relatively quickly when a track is solo'd. The real deal just sounds more "round", balanced, natural and pleasant. Your last jam is a quite emblematic example for my claim. The amp sound sits perfectly well in the mix while the Helix sound sticks out more. Having said that, the Helix sounds good on it's own and I consider it a good tool to work with but the Amp is still the superior option when compared directly.
@JMartinN
@JMartinN 6 лет назад
Amp sounded better, but for versatility and having endless possibilities on different sounds,Helix.
@michaelcarey9359
@michaelcarey9359 6 лет назад
So if you play in a cover band playing pop rocks for drunks, getting $10 a gig, the Helix is "worth it"?
@NathanChisholm041
@NathanChisholm041 6 лет назад
Martin Noël trust me drunk ppl dont care if its being beaten on a tin can as long as its sounds close its all good!!
@NathanChisholm041
@NathanChisholm041 6 лет назад
aranphor nice i bet it sounds sweet
@misterringer
@misterringer 6 лет назад
For me, it varied sound to sound. Sometimes the amp was better, sometimes the helix.
@johnperkins2174
@johnperkins2174 6 лет назад
I preferred Helix on all but one and that was the Matchless. I really think that could be tweaked down w/ gain and low cut on the cab, too.
@robschaller9061
@robschaller9061 5 лет назад
I was 100% on which was which. This kind of made up my mind about sticking with the 3202 Marshall half stack and going with vintage pedal effects
@StaceJohnson
@StaceJohnson 5 лет назад
I was 100% on which was which. This kind of made up my mind about sticking with the Line 6 products. :-) (Not intended as a dig, just as a contrast. Love the Marshall half stack!)
@FrankDoorhof
@FrankDoorhof 5 лет назад
Both sound very nice. And using mics is always more work but also gives you a lot of options especially when working with 2 mics. I did like the tube amp more to be honest and that was on my phone ;) Cool videos ;)
@zedpuddable
@zedpuddable 2 года назад
Im surprised so many like the helix. I was on the fence but after this im all tube more natural sound to my ears but to each there own.
@ekwah5821
@ekwah5821 5 лет назад
I preferred and picked out the boogie in all but one comparison, the second or third test, with light overdrive I think it was. Tough to decide which I preferred in mix though. I liked the smooth sound of the Mesa, but I think the Helix cut through better, had more of its own distinct space in the sonic spectrum.
@MarkEaster
@MarkEaster 5 лет назад
Here is my follow up to this video. My wife and I went to visit her mother in SE Missouri. It was Sunday evening and she wanted to attend the “Cowboy Church” singing that night. The group was pretty good, the guitar player was very good and he had some wonderful different tones for different songs. What was he using? A Fender Mustang amp with a Helix 6...the audience loved the performance. Tubes or no tubes? Nobody knew the difference.
@alankcpa
@alankcpa 5 лет назад
One of my favorite local guitarists used a miked up Fender Champ. He said it saved his sore back and achy knees. There is so much variety in music there ought to room all. BB King used a Lab Series transistor amp. Greg Howe, Eric Gales, and Frank Gambale use DV Mark. Andy Timmons has used Kemper. I know many other who use just their laptops and software. It really comes back to the player's skill and his ability to move you. I'm to see there are opened minded folks out there.
@DarrellBraunGuitar
@DarrellBraunGuitar 6 лет назад
Helix or Amp? Let me know!
@andermartinez3946
@andermartinez3946 6 лет назад
Helix!!
@IvanSuarezGuitar
@IvanSuarezGuitar 6 лет назад
Helix, a 4x4 for touring!!! Tube amps are lovely and nice for studio and analog playing pleasures...😻 I love the Princeton Reverb and Tweeds to play! Nice video. Greetings from Spain.
@elbik95
@elbik95 6 лет назад
Digital stuff is getting really close to analog sounds, but i still could tell the difference between the two... For now i'd still go for the Mesa Boogie, the sound is more natural
@jumpboy29
@jumpboy29 6 лет назад
I preferred the amp. It just had something more alive sounding, but in a recorded mix I doubt anyone can really hear a difference.
@DarrellBraunGuitar
@DarrellBraunGuitar 6 лет назад
+ivansuarezguitar Absolutely! Good point ☺
@BURTBROWN
@BURTBROWN Год назад
I love these "guess which you're listening to" comparisons - it eliminates "favorites." I only missed 2 of the Mesa and like the Helix more - maybe because I thought it was a bit cleaner. Like you said, you could probably tweak the Helix to sound more like like the Mesa, but as I said, overall, I like that Helix!!!!!!!. Love you demos!!!!!
@Colosphonium
@Colosphonium 4 года назад
Dude... great video... but i have to say.... Head and shoulder...man... Head and shoulder....
@csaccandy1921
@csaccandy1921 6 лет назад
you can't hear the difference from a recording work , but you can feel the difference when you are playing it
@drunkaviator81
@drunkaviator81 3 года назад
100%, the dynamics with a tube amp are unreal, clean to crunch in only your pick attack. Makes you a better guitarist I feel.
@fisheatsyourhead
@fisheatsyourhead 3 года назад
@@drunkaviator81 whatever it takes for some guitarists justify all the money they spend on gear lmao practicing makes you a better guitarist. the tubes in your amp do not. good playing plus post processing can make cheap gear sound better than expensive stuff people love to waste their money on and justify after the fact
@drunkaviator81
@drunkaviator81 3 года назад
@@fisheatsyourhead I have two guitars and one tube amp, which I’ve had for over a decade. I spend literally zero on new gear and especially expensive modelling software, pedals, etc. Each to their own. :D
@a.block.of.tofu.
@a.block.of.tofu. 6 лет назад
The mesa was generally better for me. The clean tones were really hard to tell which was which (on phone though). Helix is damn impressive.
@Alex-dr6or
@Alex-dr6or 5 лет назад
I think it also depends how you decide to record your amp. Different mics give you different tones. The best comparison should be done in person with the real amp and the helix + an FRFR speaker.
@MitchSumner
@MitchSumner 5 лет назад
It's a tough comparison to make, and I suspect not entirely fair one, due to the amount of variables to deal with. The Helix is easy to pick out mostly because it's brighter. But you could brighten up the amp recording by changing the EQ on the amp, changing the mic, and/or changing the mic position. Or vice versa. I know the Helix gives you mic options as well. Given these choices, I would likely use the Helix sound, as I think it is less muddy, would work better in a mix. The question of software vs authentic nowadays often comes down to the skill of the engineer. It is much easier to get a sampled instrument to sound great because the hard engineering work has been done for you. Software modeling and samples have gotten very good. But sometimes I will ask not what's better, but what's more interesting. This is especially the case when recording my own drums, but it goes for keyboards and guitar amps as well. Usually I will get more interesting sounds the old fashion way because there are imperfections/uniqueness to my equipment. Samples and software are (generally) designed to be perfect and generic so they will satisfy the broadest of circumstances. But, of course, if your recording sounds interesting and unique, but not good, then you are better off with software. For live playing I think digital modeling is the future, but the studio is a different story. My two cents.
@anthonyparkernearlifeexp
@anthonyparkernearlifeexp 3 года назад
In terms of the drive, the tube amp sounded better than the helix in my opinion. In test number 5, the blue angel sounded more responsive to levels of attack. Still impressed by the helix, but the tube amps are still a bit better.
@theguitargeekgarage3681
@theguitargeekgarage3681 6 лет назад
Astonishingly, I was surprised by the quality of the Helix, very inferior to my attempts. I use to play with Pod Xt and X3 live, and am less and less in love with those sounds. I may not put enough time working on the sounds, but it feels a bit dull, not alive enough. Very strange, as far as I am a Line 6 historical enthusiast. Maybe it is time for me to find something else. I still like the "all-in-one" concept, but Helix is far too expensive to be a good choice for me. Anyway, thanks for the blind test, I really dig that, because they force me to be honest ;)
@bram6070
@bram6070 6 лет назад
If you're looking for a not to expensive multi effect. The zoom g5n is one of the best sounding cheaper multi effects. (It had an update so it has more amps and effects than stated in most shops.) This are two videos completely made with the g5n and no post processing. sounds rather convincing if you ask me ;-) Rock sound ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-94iiH4IDGK4.htmlµ Hi-Gain sound ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-zQQaW0KtdG8.html And here is a video just to show how close you can get to real tones. Don't know if you listen to Steve Vai, but this is his tone. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-zXrSS3ltDwk.html
@bram6070
@bram6070 6 лет назад
I don't even know if you want advice :-D. I'm was just so happily surprised with the Zoom g5n that i like to tell people ;-).
@theguitargeekgarage3681
@theguitargeekgarage3681 6 лет назад
Thanks for the piece of advice, I'll go and check :)
@Andrey.Balandin
@Andrey.Balandin 5 лет назад
@Luca Candela I heard good things about katana too, and I tried it for 2 days at my home, fiddled with all the knobs and all the settings in the computer, but I could never make it sound like a tube amp. It didn't sound bad, but it does have a transistor/digital quality in it, which just isn't there in a tube amp, and once you hear it you cannot unhear it. It's the quality of the tiny fizz that happens at the peaks or at breakup. Also it doesn't compress nicely as a tube amps does when you crank up the volume past a half. I tried to emulate that with a compressor but it just doesn't do it. The same can be sad about bias FX. I WOULD SAY IT'S EVEN SOUNDS BETTER THEN KATANA AND IS MORE VERSATILE BUT IT STILL HAS THAT TINY FIZZ AND GRAIN QUALITY THAT I JUST DON'T CRAVE. Sorry for the Caps, that was an accident.
@Musicmaker1428
@Musicmaker1428 6 лет назад
The Helix really surprised me. Digital modeling has come along way. What is your opinion of the future of tube amps. Are they on there way out do to cost and fewer tube factories? That is what I have been hearing for years.
@DarrellBraunGuitar
@DarrellBraunGuitar 6 лет назад
+Scott K I think eventually fewer musicians will travel with them and just use them for studio use. It's sort of like the film vs digital revolution in the camera industry.
@Musicmaker1428
@Musicmaker1428 6 лет назад
That makes sense. Great video again Darrell.
@dudeofficialchannel
@dudeofficialchannel 6 лет назад
Yes, analogue will soon be for the museum, no question at all!
@ImOutsideTheBox
@ImOutsideTheBox 6 лет назад
Artists now use tablets & software more, Photographers use 4k digital, and pretty much all musicians besides guitarists are using more digital technology (even pro drummers layer triggers into their acoustic rigs). This doesn't mean people still don't use canvas, polaroids and tube amps, but they will face out of the spotlight. Its a good thing though, think of all the variety and flexibility you will get with future versions of the helix and variax, and how much less crap you'll carry round on tour.
@joemasse4568
@joemasse4568 6 лет назад
john m if you have played guitar all your life going on 40 years playing, playing through a good tube amp is the only way to get the real sound, all digital tries hard but can't produce what tubes do naturally, so why wouldn't you want to sound the best you can ,its like a great chef using dull knives, if they are available you use what works best
@GrericPoperic7
@GrericPoperic7 6 лет назад
I just won a Helix LT... amazing Tones in there...
@DarrellBraunGuitar
@DarrellBraunGuitar 6 лет назад
+GrericPoperic7 Congratulations! I hope you enjoy it :)
@jwjohnson7909
@jwjohnson7909 4 года назад
I was able to answer correctly for all samples on real tube vs emulated. However it was hard to tell and I am not sure if I got lucky. It was much closer than I thought it would be.
@raphaelrodriguez1856
@raphaelrodriguez1856 4 года назад
John Song lmao I was also able to guess it right every time. The only reason why is because I’ve played with a solid state and digitech processor all my life. So I know exactly how a “simulated” amp sounds and feels like.
@revink8296
@revink8296 5 лет назад
Helix sounded better in all tests, except arpeggiated chords. A BIT of an unfair comparison though, as the level of distortion and eq'ing was different between the 2. My ears preferred the helix 80% of the time though, blindly. Bought one because of this vid, and absolutely LOVE it. Best piece of gear I could have ever bought! :)
@mattharr9971
@mattharr9971 5 лет назад
In the blind tests, the Blue Angel sounded more 3 dimensional than the Helix when played clean. The differences in all tests were quite pronounced. I preferred the tube amp.
@thedakotahurley
@thedakotahurley 4 года назад
Matt Harr I agree. There’s a certain “hairy” vibe to the Helix that I don’t like... it also breaks up much quicker than the amp
@natearchambault6304
@natearchambault6304 6 лет назад
I love your atitude and advise! Keep making these
@DarrellBraunGuitar
@DarrellBraunGuitar 6 лет назад
Thanks Nate!
@veerchasm1
@veerchasm1 5 лет назад
Content starts at 3:24 The Mesa sounded much better, especially when dealing with overdriven sounds
@aidensaroka7268
@aidensaroka7268 5 лет назад
veerchasm1 yeah this demo is almost two years old, so there’s a whole lot more IR’s and updates to the helix, which makes it sound way better than in this vid.
@speedlgt
@speedlgt 5 лет назад
the cleans is whatever. but the overdrive was better on the mesa.
@fpvtv2222
@fpvtv2222 5 лет назад
veerchasm1 I would have to agree with you. The amp sounded way better.
@bryanmchugh1307
@bryanmchugh1307 6 лет назад
At high volume, I can still hear digital Line 6 modeling go square wave. It drives me nuts. Even super expensive Axe FX stuff is the same way for me. One day I will finally find that open note in the intro for Metallica’s “One”.
@ishworpoudel7305
@ishworpoudel7305 2 года назад
Helix has insanely good tones and price too
@samratbose443
@samratbose443 6 лет назад
I can see snow on your cloth. It means...Merry Christmas!😆😆😆
@elijahdelp2893
@elijahdelp2893 6 лет назад
Or it's dandruff.... LMFAO
@Thomasdgolden
@Thomasdgolden 6 лет назад
Semper Fi yep, I went there as well.
@baumfr
@baumfr 6 лет назад
It's just lint. He dried his fleece hoodie with light-colored towels.
@JimJWalker
@JimJWalker 5 лет назад
People often say modeling amps "sound great", but how often have you heard anyone say modeling amps "feel great"?
@davecarsley8773
@davecarsley8773 5 лет назад
About the same amount of times I've heard people say tube amps "feel great"... Nobody ever talks about the way their amp feels unless you specifically ask them
@JimJWalker
@JimJWalker 5 лет назад
​@@davecarsley8773 I hear people say Tube amps "feel great" every day.
@JimJWalker
@JimJWalker 5 лет назад
@@likemikehd3560 Exactly, and tube amps is the sound. Zeros and Ones will never replicate the sound of rock and roll that we expect to hear, which comes from analog tube amplifiers.
@doctari1061
@doctari1061 6 лет назад
I’m very surprised that the Helix seemed a much nicer sound to my ear. Shocking.
@user-cq9my5ju6k
@user-cq9my5ju6k 4 года назад
Cheap microphone here, this is not a real comparison...
@carlweiderick
@carlweiderick 2 года назад
Wow! That Helix is amazing!
@taurushamilton2739
@taurushamilton2739 4 года назад
Y’all tube snobs tripping! The Helix sounded better, more precise n clear and present than some of the Mesa comparisons. At the end of the day it’s all about what YOU like and what makes you get the sound in YOUR head out. A bad player will sound like shite through a real amp or modeler, period.
@Colosphonium
@Colosphonium 4 года назад
it comes down to personal preferences... the difference are minimal... but important... i have recorded all my life on analogue gear with orchestra... and i could clearly tell each time the real amp... that tells me something. But if you havent had the chance i have... i can understand you like the helix better..... your ears arent the same as mine... and there is no way mine are better becaue of the way iv learn.... at the end of the day... its about song... music... and beautiful idea... and sound just carry that.... i still listen to django rEINHART... AND THE RECORDING ARE PRETTY POOR... LIKE VERY POOR... !!!! but thank god we have the,
@muse-mech-moda
@muse-mech-moda 6 лет назад
I got it wrong on every occasion and preferred the Helix - well done Line 6
@muse-mech-moda
@muse-mech-moda 6 лет назад
except for the end jam - I take the Blue Angel for preference.
@juanpablogomez9122
@juanpablogomez9122 6 лет назад
dude same line 6 or ax fx or kemper IDK
@elizawojciechowska6641
@elizawojciechowska6641 5 лет назад
me too.... hahahaha ( and I've been playing on various amps for nearly ten years - so, thought i am used to the sounds. nope - i am not. line6 did a good job....
@aliolci
@aliolci 5 лет назад
i heard a huge difference in clean tones. tubes sounds real
@sailorickm
@sailorickm 5 лет назад
I've played classical guitar for 45 years but being in my mid-60's, I grew up on classic rock from the 60's & 70's and still listen to and love it today. I have a POD X3 Live and a MiM Strat, but I don't use it much and have zero experience with other guitars or amps. I'm careful never to use the words bad, good, better, best and only say what I like personally. I am a fan of technology and Line 6 and was pulling for the Helix. So, I didn't try to pick which was which, but simply made a note of which sound I preferred for all the tests and was surprised that I picked the Mesa amp every time, even in the mix at the end. Darrell did allow that one could tweak the Helix settings to improve the sound. What is interesting to me is that for the comments I read, people seemed split maybe 50-50 as to which they thought was "best" or preferred.
@GGRetroRally
@GGRetroRally 5 лет назад
i got it right every time (which I'm really surprised at). The thing i spotted was the clarity and note separation was "better" (what i like) on the boogie over the helix. To an audience, they would never tell or care as they are really similar.
@ryanseanmusicandlove
@ryanseanmusicandlove 6 лет назад
I will probably catch crap from my lead guitarist who's played nothing but tubes but I found myself liking the sound of a helix before the blind was out reveal
@harveysanchez6993
@harveysanchez6993 4 года назад
Damn this guy pissed me off when he said he's skipping over the high gain channel
@J__C__
@J__C__ 4 года назад
You got anger issues, homey 🤣
@adamwissman93
@adamwissman93 5 лет назад
Blue Angle destroys the helix. At least in this example.
@burskyozbekov
@burskyozbekov 4 года назад
You will never hear the difference on youtube.
@MrZerohour1967
@MrZerohour1967 4 года назад
This was really interesting, I own a helix and it's great, but it does take a lot of tweaking. The main thing I noticed was to my ears when you were switching between them in the mix a the end I felt the Helix sound harsh, where the Mesa was so smooth a musical. The Helix just seemed to have a bit of what i think most people describe as that "digital fizz". I listened with head phone, but sure I'd even notice in speakers. Amazing how close the Helix comes to a real amp though.
@struong57
@struong57 2 года назад
I’ll have to admit that I preferred the sound of the Helix more during the majority of the blind tests.
@richardmiller191
@richardmiller191 2 года назад
I agree with you. I personally think the helix was brighter and clearer. But most comparisons of amps I see on line aren't that much different that it can't be evened out with eq. But I'm sure the settings were set as similar as they could be for comparison. The whole "amp in room" term that is used a lot probably doesn't come across very well on video.
@ginocooper6676
@ginocooper6676 5 лет назад
The Tube Amp sounded the best!!!
@royrodriguez6401
@royrodriguez6401 4 года назад
Gino Cooper feel like we’re the only one who knows. Clear note definition. The helix was “piercing” almost in the mid-high frequency. The tube always sounds warm. True. Real.
@siddharthsharma8940
@siddharthsharma8940 5 лет назад
The helix sounded better with more overdrive, and breakup, and the Mesa sounded better in cleans. Overall, the helix is much better for me
@TimSamoff
@TimSamoff 5 лет назад
Sorry, but I picked the Blue Angel in all tests -- and it definitely sounded better during the final song. I was really pulling for the Helix too. Oh, well.
@thebrunoserge
@thebrunoserge 4 года назад
massive differences, helix is always easy to identify. Maybe you're using crap IRs
@thebrunoserge
@thebrunoserge 4 года назад
@Trey Fontenet Usually I'd agree, I'm not sure here tho. Sounds kind of Line-sixy in the way it fizzles the top end, while the Mesa sounds less flat in EQ but also more amp-like Again, probably a different IR would do it
@Shawneverette
@Shawneverette 4 года назад
When listening back to back you can tell the difference. Well I got the third one wrong. The Helix was a better sound for that one. The amp sounds thicker and rounder for the most part.
@bb2847
@bb2847 6 лет назад
Helix sounded better in all but one example. Sold.
@ksmoon
@ksmoon 5 лет назад
Harder to tell the difference to my ears in clean patches than in non clean tones. Huge difference in dynamics and breaking points in slightly dirty tones. Could feel the difference more obviously to players. But this is just a difference or preference not either better or worse in my perspective. Thanks for sharing your nice review.
@ericvalverderosado2046
@ericvalverderosado2046 6 лет назад
play some Metallica, you got a Mesa Boogie and dont jam out Master of Puppets?! shame on you sir! 😂😂😂
@NicolasHosford
@NicolasHosford 6 лет назад
Dude this is a great comparison. Thank you for making this, as it really helps me with rig decisions.
@-Christoph
@-Christoph 5 лет назад
Helix always lacks bass. I had one and it sounded to me as there is a permanent low cut that eradicates all the softness a tubeamp can deliver. No punch either. So, when you turn up the bass the helix gets fizzier and fizzier. I sold it.
@DrRussPhd
@DrRussPhd 5 лет назад
get a Kemper
@billchan7625
@billchan7625 5 лет назад
I noticed that with one of the guitar players I play with. He has a Helix and some tones sound like ice picks in my ears. I still use Tube amps and analog pedals, but I'm getting old(er) and starting to look at lighter alternatives.
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