Linear A - Which Language did the Minoans speak? 

As far as modern interpretations go, the scribes were a very important professional group in the Bronze Age world, able to write and speak in multiple languages, while the elites mostly were not. There are personal notes from scribe to scribe in official correspondence between rulers that are not to be read to the officials. They were the true citizens of the world in those times. With the Bronze Age Collapse the scribes, very specialised and paid by the state, disappeared as an international community. Without them, the ability to read many languages had been lost almost in the blink of an eye (archaeologically speaking). That elites used such professional translators and didn't really have to use foreign languages was probably the reason why the loss of so many scripts and some corresponding tongues was possible.

Aigypt was populated with Greek tribes. See the Greek names of its cities for one. For second, see Solon's account of the Aigyptian priests on Platon.

Minoans A are Egyptians themselves

@@uchfed9499 the other way maIka

@@supermavro6072 there is no conclusive evidence of your claim but to be fair there is recent research on the tomb of Thutmose III which studied the pigments on the wall of the tomb and the suggestion is that the high quality of pigments and the techniques used could be evidence of high cultural exchange with the Minoan world. Exciting news. I hope to read the paper.

True! 😀

Your theory is very probable, in fact I don't know why it is not mentioned in the video, but they were never isolated, the farmers of Anatolia were the ancestors of the Minoans expanding from Asia Minor (Western Anatolia) towards the Balkans via the Aegean Islands, including Crete (we have genetic evidence of this). The problem is that we do not have another recorded language of this ancestral population of Anatolia to be able to compare it 😢

Except that the ANF are the ones who expanded the Proto-Indo-European language as the less conventional theories say (conventional theory: WSH expanded the PIE language), then everything would be more complicated since it could be an Indo-European language too.

There is a beautiful documentary about deciphering Linear A on "Study of antiquity and the middle age". An Hungarian professor is trying to link it to Ugro Finnic languages and its link with Anatolic alphabets of which we have a rough translation. He also is also tested its translation system on a Linear A inscribed ring. It would make sense since the Romanian Black Sea coast was centre of one of the most advanced prehistoric civilization, as this culture could have expanded before the Indo Europeans took over the Balkans and we really have no idea where the UF languages come from, having intermixed with the IE ones. The first era of Crete was Anatolic, then it was linked to the balkans and it ended being greek after the explosion of Santorini in about 1503BC.

That should be Vasconic. I have no reason to believe that Minoan or Eteocretan was Vasconic, it may have been some sort of Pelasgo-Tyrsenian but hard to tell.

The twat rebuilt the columns of Knossos upside down,and that is how they have remained,

Evans interpretation was not the major obstacle. The lack of hard data is the problem.

No. It was an african languge. It is part of the Niger-Congo languge family. Some call it negro Egyptian. JGK Campbell-explains the orgins of the Minoan civilization in his book. "The african origins of classical civilization".

We know how linear A reads approximately because linear B is essentially the same script and is Greek. That's sorta a Rosetta stone but problem is not a 1:1 translation and also tablets seem to be essentially focused on accountancy of palace goods, little else.

@@LuisAldamiz Linear B TO-SO (tosos, meaning total) corresponds to KU-RO / KU-LO in A. Cyrus Gordon noted, correctly I think, that KU-LO looks like Semitic kull, "all of it". Unfortunately for Gordon's thesis: this is the sort of thing that becomes loanwords. English has its word "total" from Latin, not Germannic.

@@zimriel - How is it in Etruscan? I would really look for the Etruscan or rather Tyrsenian connection but unsure. Would it be Semitic, we should expect more direct cultural connections with the Levant, the main area of Semitic expansion that could be connected. No genetics or archaeology suggests that, rather with the Balcans and Asia Minor, where Semitic was not a thing.

Rosetta stone has been decoded for a while

​@@zimrielSorry, you wrote "Linear B ... corresponds to ... in B". Have i missed something?

I often wonder also about the power of AI LLM’s and their ability to sense relationships in symbols and sounds to improve our comprehension maybe even to search classical Greek for vestiges of loan words to help construct our understanding

We need 12 dozen eggs 9 barrels of wheat 7 bushels of hgherhanermim. Nobody knows what hgherhanermim is.

What if the symbols are heraldic signs of traders? The turtle as the sign of Jack the Oil Trader. Every time they got oil delivered, they made a sign of a turtle. Just an idea I got just now.

@@jarlnils435 It is odd that we don't seem to have any clue. Look at your pantry: every label has some kind of number on it. You might be just the person to go hunting for numbers on Indus Valley script. It seems the Indians themselves don't have any interest.

What if all that survives of our culture are Amazon boxes?

We do know the origins of the Dravidians. They are are african settlers. That language is not an isolate neither is the sumerian language. It is proto bantu or some people call it negro Egyptian either way african in origin

World first cultures Vucedol, Lepenski Vir (Iron Gates) starts 11500 BC, Starcevo culture starts 6200 BC, Vinča culture starts 5700 BC, today Serbia. Samarra culture 5500-4800 BCE, Cucuteni culture starts 4800 BC, Varna culture starts 4500 BC, Yamnaya culture 3300 BC. World first industrial revolution ca. 6000 BC. Bronze metallurgy. (BBC History news March 2010) Gordon Childe-The Danube in Prehistory, Jacque Pirenne-Agriculture at Danube Farming start about 6000 BC. Vinca First Calendar start to count years at 5508 BC. (Now in 2024 we have year 7532) Farming wouldn’t be possible without knowledge of calendar. Both development started and developed together. Harald Haarmann about first cyrillic writings in Vinca culture in 5500 BC so 2000 years before any writings anywhere else on the world. Vinca Iron production 1400 BC. In today English language there is more than 2000 same or similar Serbian words. Names of the Balkan tribes: Pelasgians, Mycenaeans, Etruscan-called themselves Rasi, in Serbia exist even today province Ras. Wendi, (Wendisch museum in Cottbus, Germany, Lusatian Sorbs, Lužički Srbi.) Illiyrians, Macedonians (Homer is saying Paeonian people walked on foot 11 Days to help Trojans war), Dardanians (Original Troy is here, not in Turkey, Homer wrote sea is freezing in the winter-Panonian sea), Moesians, Dacians, Thracians, Rasci, Celts, Scythians, Sarmatians, Arians, Sea People, Peleset, Philistines, Hittites, Bhrygians. Tribes spread in all directions all over Europe and Asia ……. Wild Greeks arrived ~ 1000 BC from Egipt, Hungarian from Asia and Bulgars from Asia they found culture on the Balkans, writings and language and they mixed with domestic people. 18 Roman emperors were born in Serbia because of Etruscan connection. After Trojan war many groups of people left Troy in all directions to middle Europe, northern Europe to Britain and Scandinavia, south to Anatolia.One group under Aeneas sat sail with 22 ships and about 3400 followers and reach Italy-Etruscans. Proto Serbian language spoken all over the Balkans in Illyria, Thracia, Dardania, Moesia, Pelasgia, Macedonia, Etruria, Bhrygia, Sarmatia and so on….Germans published dictionary in year 1791 German- Illyrian so you can read the words and speak, it is today Serbian.It is older than Sanskrit, Greek, Latin or all western European languages. Plato confirms in his work The Dialogues of Plato-Cratylus the Greeks used Pelasgian (Proto Serbian) to develop their own language.

Proto Serbian 😂😂😂. Slavic language. the allies of Troy were Pauonians, Phrygian Illyria and Thrace, this is what Homer says. Not the Macedonians. Also the Ellines are from the city of Ellas in Thessaly and their King is Achilles (Homer's Iliad). Something you forgot to mention.Later Ellines was used instead of Pelasgian. Aristotle wrote "She who was Pelasgians, whom we called Greeks and now Ellines"❤

​@@Dragan-t6whope you do not have a job in the educational system of whatever country🍭👀

​@@nikolaoskonstantas2762 This all is not the point. Point is wild Greeks came from Afrika took Pelasgian language and culture and mixed with Pelasgian people. Look below if you can see some similarities between proto Serbian and on the right side old Greek. Next below you can see something about Vucedol first culture 11500 BC and from there spreading slowly all over the Balkan. Proto Serbian language spoken all over the Balkans and Anatolia: In Illyria, Thracia, Dardania, Moesia, Pelasgia, Macedonia, Etruria, Bhrygia, Sarmatia, Scythia, Hittite and so on….Germans published dictionary in year 1791 German- Illyrian so you can read the words and speak, it is today Serbian.It is older than Sanskrit, Greek, Latin or all western European languages. Plato confirms in his work The Dialogues of Plato-Cratylus the Greeks used Pelasgian (Proto Serbian) to develop their own language. Here some comparason Proto Serbian (Proto Slavic) and Greek. (Proto Serbian-Slavic)………………….....(Greek) (Co pak pecete?)……………….…............(Sa poka pessete?) (Co tudy delas?)………........................(Sa tuidi dielas?) (Deljm wino)…………………….............….(Dieljmi winon) (Ty rjkas, ma kapsa gest plna)…....(Ty irjakas, ema kapsa gesti plea) (Toto jaro idem na hory)…………......(Tuto jar ithou na hori) (Koname pracy)…………………........….(Koinaomes praxin) (Tece woda proti wode)………....……(Teke wudas proti wudei)

​@user-ox5db9pz1l WHAT ?😂

THIS

yeah but 3.000 years before that prankster , other pranklsters were leaving the dispilio tablet in a lake so to proove the author wrongabout first civilasation / written language ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-L0qdAQm_UhU.html

Sadly there was one, but lost during the second world war

Linear B

The greeks came down from the north into what is Greece today only several hundred years after the minoans started to write in Linear A.

Or it was based on one of the other, more recent lost coastal cities of the region. Or Plato made it up from scratch, to make a point.

No, it was probably just made up by Plato. There is zero evidence that a single soul in the entire Mediterranean world had ever heard of Atlantis before Plato wrote a fable about it to illustrate a political and social point he was trying to get across. This is quite unlike, say, the Iliad where we have documentation of multiple parallel strands of legend going back into the Greek Dark Age.

This is a widely-believed misconception. Both Plato and the Egyptians were well aware of the Minoan civilization, as well as its location. The Lost Island is clearly placed in the Atlantic Ocean by Plato (and therefore by the original Egyptian source). In southern Spain the Tartessian culture was very powerful during the first millennium BC and in close contact with the Phoenicians, and therefore also with the Egyptians. They are likely the original source of the Atlantis story. The Tartessians, according to Himilco of Carthage, were excellent seafarers, and had made extensive voyages throughout the North Atlantic. Certain ancient monuments on the Azores were likely constructed by Tartessian voyagers. They almost certainly had a legend of a Lost Island in the ocean, as did every people on the Atlantic seaboard of Europe and Africa, from Ireland down to Morocco. The Guanches, the original Berber-speaking inhabitants of the Canary Islands, had a similar story. All the evidence points to the volcanic Azores region as the original location of the Lost Island (its dimensions, given in the Critias of Plato, portray it as a little larger than Iceland). Many oceanic studies have confirmed the existence of a substantial island in the Azores region in the geologically recent past. The Columbia University expedition of 1948, for example, found sunken beaches and shorelines all around the Azores, as well as evidence of recent massive volcanic activity. The expedition's leader was Professor Maurice Ewing. Look him up.

@@thevelikovskian6119 What “original Egyptian sources”? People went looking for that Egyptian record of Atlantis in classical times, and didn’t find it. Plato likely made the whole thing up. Every culture with a sea-coast seems to have a “lost island” legend or two. Many of them probably originated in some genuine sea level change or tsunami. Plato may have been vaguely inspired by one of those, but it’s hardly a logical necessity. But heaven forbid that the father of western philosophy may have had an original thought, I guess.

@@PhilMasters Diodorus Siculus talks about the Atlantians as if they still exist, and live on 'the shore of the Ocean' (the Atlantic ocean) in Libya (Africa), and Herodotus also refers to the Atlantes who lived in Northwest Africa near the Atlas mountains.

there aren't any real ancient tablets, there are plenty FAKE CLAY TABLETS BY ARTHOUR EVANS AND PLENTY PROPAGANDA BY JEWISH -BRITISH FAKE ARCHAEOLOGISTS AS WELL AS U.S.

No evidence of slavery in the Minoan culture.

@@donnievance1942 You are correct, sir. They will never be "normalized" into another version of the patriarchal war state.

@@donnievance1942I’m dubious. Slavery was pretty much universal back then. What Linear B does tell us, though, is that while Pylos had a huge workforce of slaves, Crete had a smaller number of slaves and used corvee labor instead. Free people “paid their taxes” by creating good for the government at home, and the government provided them with food during their employment. Not a utopian society, but a better one than on the mainland.

I read somewhere that they have a word for pregnant women, Kurwa. Althought this is not much, but the central european region is still a great user of this word, especially the Poles....

the term "Minoan" is an artificial term of archeology from Greek mythology. .The language is Greek linear writing was geographically found only in the Greek area

Keda means cedar. That's the only one I can remember.

@@panagiotis7946The language isn’t Greek. If it was Greek, it would have been translated by now. Also, why would the Greeks invent a script that didn’t fit their language? They had to do all sorts of tricks to make it usable because the syllable structure is so different from Greek.

@@mrjones2721 the inhabitants of an area do not suddenly change it's always there what changes? the means of production they use we have an evolution of systematically writing Cretan hieroglyphs---linear A---linear B you change the linear A to fewer symbols and thus change both the grammar and the syntax and turn into a simpler writing system the linear B this is the main reason why we do not decipher the linear A because we do not know its structure it was not the language of the inhabitants that changed, but the style of the language the style of English in Shakespeare's time was different from today's English, but they remain the same language but the royal hieroglyphs of Egypt from the popular hieroglyphs but the language is the same the Greek alphabet is different in the 8th century 27 elements different in the 5th century 22 elements but the language is the same change the language texture

Most

or maybe Minoic?

@@kleinweichkleinweich You'll have to explain that. I only understand computer languages.

@@rchas1023 install the Thera package, it will give you a blast

But in Which langauge branch was the Minoan? I think its should be West uralic, like the Etruscean and Hatti.

@@xerxen100 The latter two placements are extremely controversial.

You mean Lydians?

what script did the Lycians use? the word kuro and combinations of the word also exist in Greek

@@1970coconut The Lycians (Lykians, Lukka, depending on the era) were in a region of Southwest Anatolia; the Lydians were to the north :) I used to get them confused too haha

@@andrewfortmusic Thanks.

Thank you very much. Appreciate it!

This confuses a lot of people.

@@free_gold4467 on the contrary . Script evolution of the Greek language from Linear to the Attic alphabet of the Classical Era .

@@Morph3as No, sorry, you've completely lost me with that comment, maybe it's just badly worded but it makes no sense at all to me.

@@free_gold4467 Do not worry , i am really sorry you dont understand , but i cant offer you any more help, except from suggesting that you read the actuall bibliography and references .

Yeah, well that's a basic assumption of the whole video. But that's your brilliant epiphany?

I think that’s very likely

Yes but cycladites could have been influenced from the minoans

@cal2127 They were the same culture cause they were one island, one body of land that was destroyed When Mount Atlas, (Santorini)blew its top and destroyed the island causing the creation of the Cyclades

Santorini in cyclades and minoans were there. Akritori

@@janeslater8004 Yes Akrotiri was there as were many other cities that got destroyed

World first cultures Vucedol, Lepenski Vir (Iron Gates) starts 11500 BC, Starcevo culture starts 6200 BC, Vinča culture starts 5700 BC, today Serbia. Samarra culture 5500-4800 BCE, Cucuteni culture starts 4800 BC, Varna culture starts 4500 BC, Yamnaya culture 3300 BC. World first industrial revolution ca. 6000 BC. Bronze metallurgy. (BBC History news March 2010) Gordon Childe-The Danube in Prehistory, Jacque Pirenne-Agriculture at Danube Farming start about 6000 BC. Vinca First Calendar start to count years at 5508 BC. (Now in 2024 we have year 7532) Farming wouldn’t be possible without knowledge of calendar. Both development started and developed together. Harald Haarmann about first cyrillic writings in Vinca culture in 5500 BC so 2000 years before any writings anywhere else on the world. Vinca Iron production 1400 BC. In today English language there is more than 2000 same or similar Serbian words. Names of the Balkan tribes: Pelasgians, Mycenaeans, Etruscan-called themselves Rasi, in Serbia exist even today province Ras. Wendi, (Wendisch museum in Cottbus, Germany, Lusatian Sorbs, Lužički Srbi.) Illiyrians, Macedonians (Homer is saying Paeonian people walked on foot 11 Days to help Trojans war), Dardanians (Original Troy is here, not in Turkey, Homer wrote sea is freezing in the winter-Panonian sea), Moesians, Dacians, Thracians, Rasci, Celts, Scythians, Sarmatians, Arians, Sea People, Peleset, Philistines, Hittites, Bhrygians. Tribes spread in all directions all over Europe and Asia ……. Wild Greeks arrived ~ 1000 BC from Egipt, Hungarian from Asia and Bulgars from Asia they found culture on the Balkans, writings and language and they mixed with domestic people. 18 Roman emperors were born in Serbia because of Etruscan connection. After Trojan war many groups of people left Troy in all directions to middle Europe, northern Europe to Britain and Scandinavia, south to Anatolia.One group under Aeneas sat sail with 22 ships and about 3400 followers and reach Italy-Etruscans. Proto Serbian language spoken all over the Balkans in Illyria, Thracia, Dardania, Moesia, Pelasgia, Macedonia, Etruria, Bhrygia, Sarmatia and so on….Germans published dictionary in year 1791 German- Illyrian so you can read the words and speak, it is today Serbian.It is older than Sanskrit, Greek, Latin or all western European languages. Plato confirms in his work The Dialogues of Plato-Cratylus the Greeks used Pelasgian (Proto Serbian) to develop their own language.

"Proto Serbian" 😂 Look around Ukraine for it

@@kbedini5738 Ok. Does this sound serbian to you? ΔΑ ΙΔΗΣ Ω ΤΑ(Ϋ) Κ' Ω ΠΑΝΑΛΚΗΣ! K' ΥΠ' ΑΔΟΥ, ΚΕΙ Δ' ΑΣΩ ΑΕΙΝΑH ΗΤEIΣI ! It's an inscription in linear A. It's the clay cup in Heraklion museum with exhibit no. Π 2630. The inscription is on wikipedia too, under the title linear A. I have nothing against serbes of course, but truth should be told. Language is like lots of trees with common roots from one tree, that have undergone mutations. Nuclear mutations. To thé extent that each has developed independently from others. In any case it's not just the language one should examine to find common roots between nations; it's mainly culture. Pottery of similar kind can be found everywhere, due to trade and export of goods, which, as you may know, was stored in clay pithoi (vases, pots etc), so the art cannot stand alone as an argument of influence upon other nations, as many cretan - for example- artifacts may be found even in China.

​@@kbedini5738I can give you some proof. Proto Serbian is actually Proto-Indo-European language. Lets try comparison to Greek. I could give you proof with other languages as well: English, Sanskrit and so on............. (Proto Serbian)…………………....(Greek) (Co pak pecete?)………………….(Sa poka pessete?) (Co tudy delas?)……….................(Sa tuidi dielas?) (Deljm wino)…………………….….(Dieljmi winon) (Ty rjkas, ma kapsa gest plna)…...(Ty irjakas, ema kapsa gesti plea) (Toto jaro idem na hory)…………..(Tuto jar ithou na hori) (Koname pracy)…………………….(Koinaomes praxin) (Tece woda proti wode)……………(Teke wudas proti wudei)

@@Dragan-t6w Co pak pecete? What does this mean? It is not greek. Koinaomes praxin? Neither modern greek, nor ancient greek. Look. Go get a hot bath. Then a cold one. If you don't feel better after that, please don't write back, cause it Wil be me, the one who will be needing a hot bath. Just to justify the blood on my face, as I'm furious with those who claim knowing sanskritic, akkadic and greek without being linguists and multiglotts. Even those are not specialists. Even those have made huge mistakes cause it's about languages which they don't know otherwise, but from books. Greek verbs' tenses, persons, names' cases, declensions, dialects etc, all this has confused them. Wasn't the term pelasghic or etruskik language faulsly attributed to the lemnian language, while it was just turks honoring a dead companion and member of their fraternity and wrote down their last words on the lemnos stele? But who an I to degrade the omniscients?

Yes this what i say all the times. At that time there Ist no Greek or Hellenic. This is few thousand years before. Greeks came later, didn't call themselves Greeks and so on. The so called scholars are a hoax. You can find 65% of linear A signs in the Vinca script. But nobody cares. Even linear B isn't deciphered. That's simply not the truth.

That's not entirely accurate. Considering the DNA link between the Minoans and the Mycenaeans who are Hellenes. As for what they spoke well that's what this video is about. Parts of Linear A exist in Linear B which the Mycenaeans used.

@@VoltesWithElias They werent Hellenes. Modern Greeks Have ancestry From minoans. And they were known to mix with Carians who are related to Minoans.

how is this done? Linear A 2100 BC Linear B 1700 BC is a writing that dates only to Greece and to no other region outside the Greek world Linear A Linear B is found in Central Greece, the Peloponnese, Crete and many islands that form a unified economic and social space the video is wrong about the dates we have the Linear B since 1700 BC en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kafkania_pebble

@@panagiotis7946 So no other language family was ever spoken anywhere in today's Greece at any time since the start of times? Now that is a big idea!

@@watching7650 naturally and in accordance with the archaeological findings. Besides, it is a very small country in area

@@watching7650 in all the Mycenaean centers Pylos, Orchomenos, Thebes, Sparta, Tirintha, etc. We find thousands, but paradoxically they all date from after 1500 BC !!! There is the question On all the thousands of tablets, both in the palace and in private homes, their language is Greek. If the Cretans spoke something else, would we find non-Greek words in the letter B?

@@panagiotis7946 World first cultures Vucedol, Lepenski Vir (Iron Gates) starts 11500 BC, Starcevo culture starts 6200 BC, Vinča culture starts 5700 BC, today Serbia. Samarra culture 5500-4800 BCE, Cucuteni culture starts 4800 BC, Varna culture starts 4500 BC, Yamnaya culture 3300 BC. World first industrial revolution ca. 6000 BC. Bronze metallurgy. (BBC History news March 2010) Gordon Childe-The Danube in Prehistory, Jacque Pirenne-Agriculture at Danube Farming start about 6000 BC. Vinca First Calendar start to count years at 5508 BC. (Now in 2024 we have year 7532) Farming wouldn’t be possible without knowledge of calendar. Both development started and developed together. Harald Haarmann about first cyrillic writings in Vinca culture in 5500 BC so 2000 years before any writings anywhere else on the world. Vinca Iron production 1400 BC. In today English language there is more than 2000 same or similar Serbian words. Names of the Balkan tribes: Pelasgians, Mycenaeans, Etruscan-called themselves Rasi, in Serbia exist even today province Ras. Wendi, (Wendisch museum in Cottbus, Germany, Lusatian Sorbs, Lužički Srbi.) Illiyrians, Macedonians (Homer is saying Paeonian people walked on foot 11 Days to help Trojans war), Dardanians (Original Troy is here, not in Turkey, Homer wrote sea is freezing in the winter-Panonian sea), Moesians, Dacians, Thracians, Rasci, Celts, Scythians, Sarmatians, Arians, Sea People, Peleset, Philistines, Hittites, Bhrygians. Tribes spread in all directions all over Europe and Asia ……. Wild Greeks arrived ~ 1000 BC from Egipt, Hungarian from Asia and Bulgars from Asia they found culture on the Balkans, writings and language and they mixed with domestic people. 18 Roman emperors were born in Serbia because of Etruscan connection. After Trojan war many groups of people left Troy in all directions to middle Europe, northern Europe to Britain and Scandinavia, south to Anatolia.One group under Aeneas sat sail with 22 ships and about 3400 followers and reach Italy-Etruscans. Proto Serbian language spoken all over the Balkans in Illyria, Thracia, Dardania, Moesia, Pelasgia, Macedonia, Etruria, Bhrygia, Sarmatia and so on….Germans published dictionary in year 1791 German- Illyrian so you can read the words and speak, it is today Serbian.It is older than Sanskrit, Greek, Latin or all western European languages. Plato confirms in his work The Dialogues of Plato-Cratylus the Greeks used Pelasgian (Proto Serbian) to develop their own language.

Pre-Indoeuropean /pre Greek to be precise....

Egypt

@@markiec8914 Greek people were shipped here from egypt

Super mavro NEVER IT WAS GREEK! !!!

@@ΕλευθεριοσΓρηγοριου-φ6τ Never Greek

Albanische 😂😂😂😂 junge gehe mal eine Aufenthaltsgenehmigung besorgen😂😂😂😂😂

😂😂😂😂

yeah ,, surly the Albanians will claim it was Albanian ! According to them every thing and everybody was Albanian , rumor has it recently ,they are claiming JfK Kennedy was Albanian he he he

Bravo

They were not identical to neolithic farmers. They had some chalcolithic/early bronze age anatolian genes as well. Migratory events didn't stop in neolithic period.

Anatolian connections are still the most likely to occur. Are we any closer to deciphering Luwian?

when you say anatolia what do you mean? ANATOLIA "East" is a Greek word meaning the place where the sun rises. Where are their writings? How do we know their grammar and syntax? all linguistic hypothetical models are

@@panagiotis7946 we have remnants of isolates and other languages native to Anatolia. Hurrian is an example of an isolate but there are a lot more. I just think it's very likely Minoans would have some type of correspondence/associated with early neolithic farmers leaving Anatolia since their first domesticates and tech / cultural technology closely mirrors Anatolian early neolithic farmers.

All of the Greek history and "culture" is appropriated from it's neighbors

@@supermavro6072 sweet Dreams jealous hen

@@supermavro6072 how many complexes... jealousy?😭😭😭😭😁

@@supermavro6072 from its neighbors who didn't exist at the time 😂😂 jealousy and pcychological problems at the same time

​@@supermavro6072No just you bitching and jealous move on.

I mean, Sumerian got deciphered only because Akkadians used it as a liturgical language long after its extinction, while using its script too

We can sound out most Minoan words. We just don’t know what they mean.

δεν λεμε πια ΑΡ , αλλα λεμε ΑΡΟΤΡΟ , δεν λεμε πια ΟΥΡ τον αερα , αλλα λεμε ΟΥΡΙΟΣ ΑΝΕΜΟΣ , δεν λεμε πια αρανα αλλα λεμε αρναδα ( το θυληκο αρνι ) και δεν ξερω αν οι ξενοι θελουν να μαθουν την αληθεια η απλα θελουν να μας αφαιρεσουν αξια ?? νομιζω οι περισσοτεροι θελουν το δευτερο . Νομιζω για ολα φταινε οι Ελληνες με μικρο το Ε , και καλα ακαδημαϊκοι που δεν ενδιαφερονται , και αφηνουν τους ξενους να παιζουν μπαλα στο δικο μας γηπεδο , ασε που πολλες φορες βγαζουν και χειροτερα συμπερασματα απο τους ξενους , ετσι για να γινουν αρεστοι οι ευρωλιγουριδες . Πολεμα αδερφε , καλα το πας !!!!!!!🏛🏛🏛

The Minoans are Thracians, not Greeks.

The Minoans are Thracians, not Greeks.

@@DimitarDimitrov-bk4xm JUST FOR LAUGHS , dimitri ov We name you Δημητρη

Minoans maybe have writing system with shortcuts and that writing system is for greek language exist research of 2023 in that research we see ταυροκαθάψια and inscription with form who we read inscription like ταυροκαθάψια που αγρότες αίρονται εις ταύρους διαβάζουμε αυτό ακριβώς. Έχω βάλει την Έρευνα εγώ νομίζω πως η γραμμική α είναι είδος γραφής με συντομευσεις, μέρος των λέξεων είναι ένα πολυριζικο σύστημα γραφής ακροφωνικό το οποιοδ διαφέρει σε αυτό ακριβώς από την γραμμική β πως η β όταν ενώνεις τα συλλαβογραμματα σχηματίζονται ολόκληρες λέξεις άνω στην α είναι συντομευσεις, πολλές φορές η ρίζα είναι περισσότερες από μία λέξη πχ ero ... Γραμμική β Ηρώ αλλά και ιερό arote ... Αγροται, ταρό... ταύρο και και η γραμμική α είναι ένα σύστημα γραφής της ελληνικής ακροφωνικό.

DNA does not dictate culture. Former President Barack Hussein Obama speaks a Germanic tongue, as did Nelson Mandela, without being Germans.

They’ve been done, but all they tell us is that the Minoans were one of many groups that came to Europe through Anatolia.

I once saw a video on RU-vid claiming they were Hungarian.

We know that the minoans had trade relationships with other bronze age civilizations like Egypt and Levant and have been influenced by them.(During that age every Eastern Mediterranean culture influenced each other) but we dont have any evidence of genetic or language relations with people from the Levant and Syria.

@@sotirismitzolis5171 I think this comes from a theory that the Vinca culture, which is in the Craphatian basin and the Balkan colonise to west, east and south. This mainly comes from the Etruscean and Troyan connections. Than DNA results showed that Hungarian DNA is indigenous in the Carphatian basin at least 3500 years.

With a well-made cipher, you either have to know a keyword/phrase and use that to decipher the rest, or brute-force the whole thing, which takes countless hours and requires computer/brainpower with often little to show for it. (there are some other methods of decoding, but bear with me for metaphor's sake!) An unknown language is a considerably more difficult challenge. From comparison of Linear B and Greek, we have learned that the Linear Minoan script is most likely logosyllabic, meaning that symbols either stood for an entire syllable (a consonant plus a vowel) or could be used to denote an idea, sometimes both depending on context--this is similar to Egyptian hieroglyphs. But knowing how a writing system is pronounced... unfortunately doesn't help with understanding what it means. I can read Spanish out loud really well with good pronunciation--but would I understand everything I'm saying? Not even close. A Rosetta Stone-type discovery is like that essential keyphrase for the cipher when it comes to finding the meanings of words. And brute-forcing in linguistics is essentially impossible. It's not that we need the answer handed to us on a silver platter, it's that there *has* to be a reference for there to be any understanding. You can, with sign language, body language and a LOT of feedback, begin to communicate basic things with someone who speaks a different language from you. But an extinct language that has no known, attested relatives cannot give you any kind of feedback. :)

Can you clarify: do you mean that Eteocypriot is derived from Iberian or is it the other way around?

@@Wakanda.Knuckles - The other way around, and I'm talking about the script and not the language. Iberian is some cousin of Basque, less clear is the matter with Tartessian, which is obscure.

@@Wakanda.Knuckles Its the other way around. Minoans Influenced Tartessian Script probably. But there is Archeological evidence .In the Papar : Sardinian bronze figurines in their Mediterranean setting by Ralph Araque, Image 18. Fig. 11: Iberian stelae from Cerro Muriano 1 (a); Almadèn de la Plata 2 (b); Ecija 5/Berraco (c); Capilla I (d). Not to scale. Show evidence of Horned Warriors present in Iberia. Possible Nuraghe landing into Lower spain. But Remember Nuraghe werent one singular tribe. They had different tribes. Including tribes catagorized into the Ilienses. Who are associated with Greek mythology and are known to have been trading with Minoans. So it is likelythey were minoans among the Nurage.

Minoans is Egyptian herioglophy, cypriot probably phonecian/semitic

@@supermavro6072 - It may have hieroglyphic elements but they're not "Egyptian" and anyhow it also has phonemic writing.

Lemnian is pelasgian. Minoan is Different

Palesgian is indigenous. Minoans is from Egypt

@@supermavro6072Minoans aren’t from Egypt. Genetically, they came to Europe via Anatolia. Linguistically, they’re unique.

@@mrjones2721 Analotians were also Palesgians and thracians not egypsies

@@supermavro6072 A lot of cultures came from Anatolia.

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I guess yDNA haplogroups J2/G2a makes them connected to West Asians more than ever.

@@anthropos_94What halo groups show and till how many years back? No more than 200 years back and what West Asia was? So you mean Mongol Turks are Europeans for example oryou refer to janissaries?

@@geosam011 be more clear and I’ll answer you.

@@anthropos_94 What means more. clear? Answer the question I posed before bc you mix halo groups with DNAs

@@anthropos_94 Compare your head shape with TurkiMongol ones and you ll get DNA results....

World first cultures Vucedol, Lepenski Vir (Iron Gates) starts 11500 BC, Starcevo culture starts 6200 BC, Vinča culture starts 5700 BC, today Serbia. Samarra culture 5500-4800 BCE, Cucuteni culture starts 4800 BC, Varna culture starts 4500 BC, Yamnaya culture 3300 BC. World first industrial revolution ca. 6000 BC. Bronze metallurgy. (BBC History news March 2010) Gordon Childe-The Danube in Prehistory, Jacque Pirenne-Agriculture at Danube Farming start about 6000 BC. Vinca First Calendar start to count years at 5508 BC. (Now in 2024 we have year 7532) Farming wouldn’t be possible without knowledge of calendar. Both development started and developed together. Harald Haarmann about first cyrillic writings in Vinca culture in 5500 BC so 2000 years before any writings anywhere else on the world. Vinca Iron production 1400 BC. In today English language there is more than 2000 same or similar Serbian words. Names of the Balkan tribes: Pelasgians, Mycenaeans, Etruscan-called themselves Rasi, in Serbia exist even today province Ras. Wendi, (Wendisch museum in Cottbus, Germany, Lusatian Sorbs, Lužički Srbi.) Illiyrians, Macedonians (Homer is saying Paeonian people walked on foot 11 Days to help Trojans war), Dardanians (Original Troy is here, not in Turkey, Homer wrote sea is freezing in the winter-Panonian sea), Moesians, Dacians, Thracians, Rasci, Celts, Scythians, Sarmatians, Arians, Sea People, Peleset, Philistines, Hittites, Bhrygians. Tribes spread in all directions all over Europe and Asia ……. Wild Greeks arrived ~ 1000 BC from Egipt, Hungarian from Asia and Bulgars from Asia they found culture on the Balkans, writings and language and they mixed with domestic people. 18 Roman emperors were born in Serbia because of Etruscan connection. After Trojan war many groups of people left Troy in all directions to middle Europe, northern Europe to Britain and Scandinavia, south to Anatolia.One group under Aeneas sat sail with 22 ships and about 3400 followers and reach Italy-Etruscans. Proto Serbian language spoken all over the Balkans in Illyria, Thracia, Dardania, Moesia, Pelasgia, Macedonia, Etruria, Bhrygia, Sarmatia and so on….Germans published dictionary in year 1791 German- Illyrian so you can read the words and speak, it is today Serbian.It is older than Sanskrit, Greek, Latin or all western European languages. Plato confirms in his work The Dialogues of Plato-Cratylus the Greeks used Pelasgian (Proto Serbian) to develop their own language.

@@Dragan-t6w 1. the Vinča culture has a lot of interest, but it is a rural culture where are the written texts and the cities? 2. symbols of the Vinča culture are also found in Greece it is not a written system because the symbols were not repeated 3. we have culture when we have organized cities with residential planning, drainage written laws specialized jobs Arts and Sciences merchant ships for exports and imports in order to create ships for voyages on the great seas, you need engineering knowledge geometries geographies and astronomy These do not exist in Vinča culture 4. the names for example Pelasgos Mykines Thrace Minos and all the other names only in Greek please explain what do they mean in your language absolutely nothing 5. only the ancient Greek writings in the Greek language wrote about other peoples why; because the other peoples had not reached such a level spiritually 6. the Cyrillic script is from the Byzantine period for the civilization of the Slavs of the 9th century why didn't the slavs have writing? 7.Neolithic cultures, perhaps the oldest in Europe, are found in Greece 7500 BC en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sesklo

​@@panagiotis7946 You are not reading what I wrote "This is first world culture in development before anything else existed" then this culture spread to south with Pelasgian peoples, than the wild Greeks came and learned everything took the language (See below). If your skin is white your ancestry is Pelasgian, if your skin is little bit dark your ancestry is Greek. Because Pelasgian where dominant they developed everything what Greek today is, I can give you all the proof. You are saying it is not proto Serbian but it is Greek and I’m saying that’s the same. I could add lots of samples in the 1000. (Proto Serbian)…………………....(Greek) (Co pak pecete?)………………….(Sa poka pessete?) (Co tudy delas?)……….................(Sa tuidi dielas?) (Deljm wino)…………………….….(Dieljmi winon) (Ty rjkas, ma kapsa gest plna)…...(Ty irjakas, ema kapsa gesti plea) (Toto jaro idem na hory)…………..(Tuto jar ithou na hori) (Koname pracy)…………………….(Koinaomes praxin) (Tece woda proti wode)……………(Teke wudas proti wudei)

Καλά εσύ είσαι πολύ μορφωμένος βουλωμένο γράμμα διαβάζεις,δουλεύεις πολύ την τρομπα σου

I think linear B is consider as an ancestor of Greek, but we dont know if thats the case for Linear A as well. Probably not.

@@stelios5314 we can only wait

@@stelios5314 Probably Yes...

@@captainjim1010 No proofs yet

No. That hypothesis has already been tested and failed. The sound values that have been derived from Linear B, known to be Mycenean and proto-Greek, that overlap with Linear A do not map on to any reconstruction that resembles Greek.

"Minoan" is the name that the British archaeologist gave to the bronze age civilization that lived in crete and and it comes from the legendary king Minos the son Zeus. We dont know how the so called Minoans called themselves. The name "Eteocretans" (meaning origina Cretans in greek) is how Homer and classical age Greeks called the non Greek or non Mycenaean people that lived in crete. So we can say that the term "Eteocretans" is synonym to "Minoan" and perhaps a better term.

Good question. Minoans would be the indigenous civilization of Crete that existed until 1450 BC. Eteocretans would be the descendants of those Minoans that lived during subsequent periods, after the Minoan civilization had fallen.

eteocretans went as far as cyprus, they probably spoke a language that was partly minoan and partly ancient greek, the minoans themselves might not even have understood them like English speakers dont understand german

Almost certainly yes. They were probably one and the same.

@@MichaelMyers-qu8tj Pelasgians , Kydonians , Dorians , Acheans , Eteocretans , All lived in Crete according to Homer and others , all Greek tribes all speaking a Greek dialect of there won . Homer and classical Greeks never mentioned that in Greece lived any other nation but Greeks .Read Plato , Aristotle , Thucydides Herodotus . Zeus was a Greek God and his son according to you ( AND OTHERS ) was king Minos , how in the name of logic Minoans-Eteocretans are non Greeks ?

Try switching to 1,25x or 1,5x speed

They were influenced by the Egyptians, but the scripts are unrelated, and so are the languages.

Well, it became greek speaking. Nobody there speaks eteokretan anymore.

Υποθετης εγώ δεν υπόθετο ότι οι πρόγονοι σου την εποχή αυτή ζούσαν πάνω στα δένδρα.Το ότι μιλάς και γραφής το χρωστάς στους Έλληνες

@@jarlnils435 Nobody speaks latin anymore either. Then, why bother studying the Roman Empire. Is that your reasoning?

@@kamikazes03 no, not at all

DNA studies show overlap between Minoans and Myceneans. How did the Myceneans not know much about the Minoans?

World first cultures Vucedol, Lepenski Vir (Iron Gates) starts 11500 BC, Starcevo culture starts 6200 BC, Vinča culture starts 5700 BC, today Serbia. Samarra culture 5500-4800 BCE, Cucuteni culture starts 4800 BC, Varna culture starts 4500 BC, Yamnaya culture 3300 BC. World first industrial revolution ca. 6000 BC. Bronze metallurgy. (BBC History news March 2010) Gordon Childe-The Danube in Prehistory, Jacque Pirenne-Agriculture at Danube Farming start about 6000 BC. Vinca First Calendar start to count years at 5508 BC. (Now in 2024 we have year 7532) Farming wouldn’t be possible without knowledge of calendar. Both development started and developed together. Harald Haarmann about first cyrillic writings in Vinca culture in 5500 BC so 2000 years before any writings anywhere else on the world. Vinca Iron production 1400 BC. In today English language there is more than 2000 same or similar Serbian words. Names of the Balkan tribes: Pelasgians, Mycenaeans, Etruscan-called themselves Rasi, in Serbia exist even today province Ras. Wendi, (Wendisch museum in Cottbus, Germany, Lusatian Sorbs, Lužički Srbi.) Illiyrians, Macedonians (Homer is saying Paeonian people walked on foot 11 Days to help Trojans war), Dardanians (Original Troy is here, not in Turkey, Homer wrote sea is freezing in the winter-Panonian sea), Moesians, Dacians, Thracians, Rasci, Celts, Scythians, Sarmatians, Arians, Sea People, Peleset, Philistines, Hittites, Bhrygians. Tribes spread in all directions all over Europe and Asia ……. Wild Greeks arrived ~ 1000 BC from Egipt, Hungarian from Asia and Bulgars from Asia they found culture on the Balkans, writings and language and they mixed with domestic people. 18 Roman emperors were born in Serbia because of Etruscan connection. After Trojan war many groups of people left Troy in all directions to middle Europe, northern Europe to Britain and Scandinavia, south to Anatolia.One group under Aeneas sat sail with 22 ships and about 3400 followers and reach Italy-Etruscans. Proto Serbian language spoken all over the Balkans in Illyria, Thracia, Dardania, Moesia, Pelasgia, Macedonia, Etruria, Bhrygia, Sarmatia and so on….Germans published dictionary in year 1791 German- Illyrian so you can read the words and speak, it is today Serbian.It is older than Sanskrit, Greek, Latin or all western European languages. Plato confirms in his work The Dialogues of Plato-Cratylus the Greeks used Pelasgian (Proto Serbian) to develop their own language.

Пелазги Хуриты.

@@Decr4sbtpelasgians are Greeks anyway

@@kostaspataridis Всё правильно они осемилировались в разные народы Балкан. Кстати слово Балкан в переводе Лошадь означает у Словян Палкан.

Phoenician is a writing system. Phoenician and cuneiform are writing systems like exactly the linear scripts I II in Greece It does NOT count as an ALPHABET in the classic scientific sense of the term because it has an incomplete structure. it does not separate letter-phoneme but syllables, except that the vowels or the consonants X, Ψ, Φ were not included at all the Phoenician A, how do you explain that, since the Phoenicians had no vowels and ultimately have a different sound quality than the Greek A? All scientific terms related to writing, e.g. grammar, syntax, tone, phoneme syllables are in Greek. Had the alphabet been found in Syria-Lebano, it would have spread as a more practical script among the Egyptians, Syrians, Aramaeans, and Mesopotamians, but this did not happen among those who continued to write in cuneiform into the Hellenistic-Roman period. All areas begin in the 3rd century BC. from the Hellenistic period to use the Greek alphabet. Why wasn't it used so many centuries before the Phoenician script? Simply because the Greek alphabet is the only real alphabet and fits all languages. The elements of the Greek alphabet are real phonemes, not syllables Do not confuse today's Semitic writings with the Arabic-Aramaic Hebrew that evolved over time with the era of Phoenician writing Where are the written philosophical and scientific texts of the Phoenicians?

@@panagiotis7946 Thank you for the explanation!

Linear A and B are written in a syllabary that predates Phoenician and is completely unrelated-Greeks didn’t adopt a version of the Phoenician alphabet until several hundred years after Linear B went extinct. Linear B was used to write Greek. Linear A was used to write Minoan , a language with no known relatives that appears not to be Indo-European.

Minoans were weakened after Bc 1450 big earthquake. Myceaneans attacked weakened Minoans around that dates. There is a possibility that Minoans requested help from his neighbours. Arzawa was the closest compared to others. Arzawa conquared Crete and Morea Peninsula at bc 1.900 according to archeological findings. Arzawa can set contact through Miletus. There could be a communication through clay tablets. Arzawa clay tablet archieve most probably includes a lot of information of Late bronze age Aegean Region. Hittites and Egypt documents dont mention Minoans. It is also interesting that while Minoans were invaded by Myceaneans, Hittites were in short dark period and Arzawa was the main power in Anatolia. It seems impossible that Arzawa didn’t do anything while Crete was invading. Also other West Anatolian states (Assuwa, Caria, Lycia) could have been involved in this conflict since their Aegean sea interests was effected.

@@mukan9 no earthquake occurred in 1450 the subcontinent of Santorini erupted in 1650 the Minoans participated in the Trojan War there is no invasion of Crete, these are free assumptions it is funny to think that Minoans fought with Sparta and Pylos when they had such close economic and social relations. What do we think the Mycenaeans went with 50 ships and conquered Crete? stupid speculations that no ancient writer mentions all the Minoan palaces were not destroyed.

Yeah, thanks to that people don't have to learn 3000-ish characters to be able to call themselves literate, and thus higher education is available to people who aren't in the ruling class. Alphabet was adopted just because it is much more practical than pictographs or any other form of writing for that matter

it was harder to write that script

@@jacekstepinski5245 but you’re not unique then. Just the run of the mill ordinary civilization like Haiti, Carthage, Ukraine … all alphabet users who are extinct or will go extinct soon whom no one will miss.

@@RichardEdwards40 didn’t JFK say we should do things because they’re hard, and not because they’re easy?

​@@Nom_AnorVSJedi And JFK is some kind of a supreme authority? Just because a famous person said it doesn't mean its true. We don't do things because they are easy, we don't do them because they are hard. We do them because they are usefull or necessary. Also calling Ukraine and Haiti civilizations is crazy, they are nations - there is a pretty significant difference. Also Carthage is one of the most studied and famous ancient civilizations. Do you also think that classical greece and the romans are somehow remember less than the myceneas, assyrians, hittites etc., because they used an alphabet? Kind of a crazy take

Do you think it could've also sounded somewhat like Greek except not really intelligible?

@@WanaxTV probably somewhat like Cypriot today

@@Weedwizard600 cypriot is greek not a separate language, they may use some different words from ancient greek origin but mostly its just greek with different accent im greek and can understand them because they speak greek lol

@@Error_-qz2zr when did I say that Cypress isn’t Greek origin? I said it sounds like it’s from the Lavant which it does.

@@Error_-qz2zr I’m Greek to and don’t pretend that Cypriot isnt hard to understand sometimes lol