Linus doesn't want to shadowban, but... 

“Oh it’s just down the street!”

@Sheela Gaming no, perish

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@Krashs I don't try to take his words out of context, nor do I strawman him. I just get razzed by his approach on how he presents his sponsors, it looks like the emotions in his demeanor turns to plastic and porcelain and his joints get slightly tighter, like there almost robotic, subtle but not enough to be obvious. ................................................................. I don't hate linus, however I do admit I get way to worked up by his sponsoring mode. ................................................................. I can't say that I'm comfortable nor supportive of what seems to be his new found shadow banning desire, it definitely feels like a form of censorship, like what are the boundaries, is criticism banned? or just hurtful speechs, but what is criticism, okay fine, then lets say its super obvious, like there's no criticism being aimed at a topic and its JUST hurtful words, then thats easier to accept. however I feel that shadow banning is somewhat of a slope, like it becomes easier and easier to a point where one might accidentally snap someone in the shadow realm of the hushed who was just voicing how he disagrees with something he said, and something to happen like not getting remorseful for accidentally snapping someone who didn't deserve getting shadow snapped opens the window of the possibility of maybe wanting to do it on purpose next time. ................................................................. what I'm also worried about is that I might get shadow banned for making this comment, because its like this, nobody likes ducktape being placed over there mouth, and shadow banning would definitely silence anyone who is hit by it, and if I get a target painted on me for having expressed criticism thats somewhat uncomfortable in the feels department, yeah, I would say I'm a little lot worried, I felt I must worry that any of my criticism that might come off as harsh, unpleasant or uncomfortable might eventually land me in the shadow realm of the hushed. but it seems like he reversed course on shadow banning, but I was definitely more worried and uncomfortable about posting my thoughts until seeing this time part 0:20 to 0:49 of this video, seeing that really did put me in a more comfortable state of mind, and am thankful he clarified that and more thankful I was able to discover this video that shows him clarifying it. anywho, live long in purpose and prosper in contentment.

@Sheela Gaming is a fake account selling crypto scam coins

@@DailyCorvid how? By a message complaining about their spam software not working

@@steve_1507 If you were able to discern that, it wasn't for you. They're just looking for marks.

@@steve_1507 Most scammers come from very poor countries where scamming just a handful of English speaking people a month of a few hundred dollars is more than enough for them to live comfortably and if they get better at scamming they can live like kings.

"Pray they do not alter it any further..."

Linus takes everything very personally. He's in his late 30's, he's not gonna change.

Yeah but Linus is a man child he doesn’t have the discipline to not engage.

that dude wants to shadowbn people for having an opinion, or god forbid, are uninformed or just mistaken in what they say. someone like that should never be entrusted with such power.

Hey, that's a good idea

@Sheela Gaming this is the funniest scam comment I have ever seen

Maybe but those videos are also on separate channels

I'd like them to say straight out on Short Circuit videos for unboxings and such "THIS IS NOT A REVIEW" as the first thing to shut down nutjobs that don't know the difference.

@user-yt1kr1tb2m you realize you are on a channel that openly advertises their forum page where there are hundreds of users happy to help you with whatever issue you have?

@@musek5048 its a scam bot. report it

@@NeonVisual oh i have so many times i lose count lol at this point it seems like a losing battle since youtube is super slow to remove these accounts so even if we all successfully flag one, i'm sure a bunch others pop up right after.

Wow I've never heard this feeling/observation put into words so well. I totally agree

I think it ultimately boils down to there just isn't a code of conduct for online interaction because the internet was -- or maybe still is -- the wild west of discourse. Can you honestly go into a public space and scream something like "I WANT TO RAPE THE LITTLE GIRL ON "SPY FAMILY"" out loud and expect people to just be fine with it? No, you wouldn't. You also wouldn't intrude on a conversation somebody is having with their friends or co-workers yet nothing is stopping you from doing so online. I think there isn't something we can do to fix that online discourse, but we can change how we as individuals respond to it. For example, I decided to just put my thoughts out there and if anybody feels the need to tell me how wrong I am or how dumb I am I will not engage. If they take that as a "win", I just shrug and go, "All right, you get nothing for that win that I wasn't even competing for but good for you I guess." And if I want to engage, it's because I am getting something out of it. Another example, I want to feel like my feedback in games is being heard, so I post on a Steam page made by the developers and I respond to the developers and only them. If anybody else besides the developer responds to my feedback, I purposely ignore them because that feedback was not meant for them, it was meant for somebody else. Going back to that point earlier about somebody intruding on a conversation with a friend or coworker: yes, the forum is a "public place" but so is a food court at a mall but I don't see anybody getting into heated discussions with strangers after passing by. The same attitude is applied on that Steam page example, only now I have the added benefit of not having that person in my space. I know this doesn't help Linus, but maybe for somebody like yourself going through discussion fatigue, it helps knowing that at the end of the day not only is that person refusing to meet you at the table not worth your time but they can easily go back to being nonexistent again very easily just by doing nothing.

But then people's feelings will get hurt and you'll spend 2.1% less time on RU-vid

They're talking about the community forum on their website, so what does it have to do with RU-vid?

I don´t get who would hate Linus for bringing us Ads and PR in form of editorial content? Who does´nt want this?

@@danko5866 makes sense, but I don't care

Unless someones heckling you at your office this seems like a non issue. Just do your research and ignore the internet.

@Stuart Fury modern medicine and "science" isn't really medicine and science anymore. Hard facts and logic has been replaced by feelings and a cultlike personality usually found in things like Religion. Remember when questions were encouraged during the scientific process?

@@stuartfury3390 Its a lot more than that though. This quite literally impacts discussions around publishing, funding, enrollment, and even choice of project. The people approving grants or budgets are the very same people reading the misinformation and using bad faith arguments. Look no further than how many states treat their teaching budgets and curriculum. STEM budgets are no different, just get a lot less media attention.

@@Gurziak You said a lot of words that show nothing more than your lack of understanding of how science works in 2023. Have you actually spent time working with researchers or stepped foot in a lab? I've worked and studied in them for nearly a decade and never encountered anything like that. Feelings and personality have never trumped data in any conference or research presentation I have seen. Typically its quite the opposite, where the emotional impact of the data is what's missing and leads people to underestimate the severity of that data.

@Jon Dubois I have, and the fact that you immediately assumed otherwise and proceeded to talk down to me like I am a child shows where you fall on the issue. Quite sad. It's people like you who are holding science back and why so many people have major distrust in modern science and medicine but I'm sure you will just double down on your holier than thou stance and assume everyone else is wrong. It's ok Principal Skinner. 👍

@Sheela Gaming delete system 32

It's certainly a hard lesson for everyone to learn, especially in this day and age of instant opinions and responses with no thought behind the decision to respond at all. Either don't feed the trolls or you feed them so hard they explode and everyone can see they were full of shit. Of course not everyone has the time or the patience to do so. And really, Linus' biggest mistake was publicly announcing he was shadowbanning people. When there's a stream going on there's not much else you can do if they're shitting up the chat. Despite his biases and shortcomings I overall trust Linus' judgement to ban the actual trolls vs those just disagreeing with him.

I always choose 2nd option since I am 20 I just can't ignore

100%. Or any place in-between really. "Everything in your power" is a lot. You can ignore it, you can reply with some counter-facts, you can continue replying to the disputations etc. At some point you need to trust that people reading will be convinced by your replies or not have believed the original assertions. I feel this should be intuitive.

I've experienced this. The only time I've "won" an argument on the internet is when I got so many facts that I turned my opponent's argument against them.

I have found myself on multiple occasions passing over a video in my notification box because it looks like something I would never be interested in and later watching it in a content drought and finding out the actual content hidden behind the title was great.

He wigglin'.

I thought you said misinformation

@@mikearisbrocken8507 it is misinformation, they are actually in an open relationship.

So long as you don't present any bad faith arguments Linus won't do it, he wouldn't be able to bring himself to do it. It's just the people that say they can get the same screwdriver on AliExpress for $5 or similar completely provably false statements.

Deeper level content is definitely good. The surface level content attracts the people that scroll TikTok for half their day, but the deeper content is what keeps people that actually care around.

keep open a bounty for wrong comments. Advertise that if you can actually point out something wrong, you can apply at this google forms and tell them how wrong they were and that they're willing to film a demo for a bounty of 2k, surely it's worth the time.

I think the saying is if you plant flowers you get flowers, if you plant weeds you get weeds, If you plant nothing you get weeds. It is important to actively root out bad behaviour before it reaches a critical mass where it chokes out positive behaviour.

How are you not allowed to respond to negative commetns

@@alainportant6412 It's like playing with wildfire. Look at litterally any bad game launch, and look at the way people talk about the communications from the community moderator. If people are upset, they will find and focus on the perceived negative parts of your response. Even if you have a flawless, accurate and well meaning response, it will still be received negatively. Negative sentiment in the community is like a tidal wave, once enough of it starts moving, they take the whole community along for the ride. I've worked for studios in the past that have really positive communities, where completely out of the blue one day a few core members of a discord decide that they dont like your historical record at fixing bugs, and now for 2 weeks you have your whole discord up in arms. If you defend, you're just trying to cover your ass. If you promise updates and fixes, you're lieing. If you actually push out patches (and they miraculessly are bug free dispite the rush) you will be acused of not trying hard enough. When communities get worked up about stuff, they as a singular entity, cannot be reasoned with. Its a scary force of nature. Best left to calm down.

When I watch a video and end up not liking it I immediately delete it from my watch history. I have found this helps a lot with not being recommended similar videos. There’s always the possibility I’m imagining it though lol.

@@josephn1000 I have my watch history turned off bro

Yeah, but a new viewer doesn't know that and people sometimes can be dumb, we humans are way more suceptible to dumb mistakes than we would like to admit. Even just by the influence of being a bit hungry or sligthly distracted or a little angry can make us ignore obvious things.

Ban evasion, if you know you've been banned then you can just make another account to keep posting. Shadow banning means you either never find out, or figure out much later you were shadowbanned and gives some sort of break from any harassment to the creator.

​@@truehackerproduction I still dont think a person should have some sort of restriction on their account without being notified. If someone wants to restrict a key feature of youtube to someone they should know about it.

i have a problem with you using comedians as an example though. Comedians... or atleast a good edgy comedian shall we say, should make a joke about everyone. If a comedian is making constant jokes about everyone then it shows they have a problem. But if a comedian is making jokes out of everyone then its clear they are pointing flaws at all people not a certain set of people. Jimmy Carr is a great example. He takes the piss out of everyone, everyone is fair game. Comedy is comedy for a reason, everyone has different styles and tastes. Just becuase you dont like a certain taste thats not the comedians problem thats your problem, you go watch a different comedian. i will watch mine. Comedy is like art, its subjective. 30 years ago almost every comedian would never have a job if they worked in the present day. Comedy should be taken lightly becuase its just comedy. Everyone can be offended at any kind of joke and if we shout out at comedians becuase everyone takes offense comedy would be and is a dying art.

@@ashleygoggs5679 The reason I said "certain ageing comedians" is because there's a certain subset of comedians who were popular 1-3 decades ago whose main act was "Look at this minority group. Aren't they so weird? That's funny!" These same comedians are complaining now that the "woke police" have come after them just because modern audiences don't find them funny anymore. Because we live in a more tolerant society where "somebody is different" isn't actually a punchline, it's just a thing. It's lazy comedy and people are turning away from it because it's lazy and boring. It's harder to make a joke that doesn't lean on those lazy topics, but the jokes you make when you put that effort in are, generally speaking, just better jokes!

@@Respectable_Username actually thats not correct at all. If you dont like it thats fair enough. Comedians just dont like being told what is and isnt funny. Everyone has their own tastes. For you tp say x comedian isnt funny, and yet i find him hilarious thats dosnt make them a bad comedian it makes them a comedian thag dosnt fit your taste. Its literally as simple as that. Just because you dont like their style or what they say dosnt give you a right to shut a comedian down and ruin my entertainment. Comedians are comedians you should know what your getting with them, if you dont like a certain comedian yet continue to watch their art then thats a you problem not them.

@@ashleygoggs5679 punching down is never funny. sorry your favorite mediocre men are washed up or whatever.

@@LieseFury if punching down is never funny why do almost all if not all comedians do this?

I agree with everything. Except the part of us posting our praises. Watching a comment section full of "Great video" comments, is really cringeworthy. Especially, when every video on a channel looks like that.

@@soul0360 There is no need to put "Great video" under everything. You can give some positive feedback on something new, or some things you would change in the format, phrased in a constructive way. The comment section doesn't have to be blend and boring. You can spread positivity in many ways :D

I'm an Industrial Engineer and would agree up to certain point. Of course buying the cheapest most of the time will mean bad quality, but how high should you go in price and still have gains? I believe that LTT scrwedriver is an overkill and would never recommend someone spend that much money on that screwdriver, because there are many good brands at 1/3 of the cost that will exceed what people need on a screwdriver. It depends what you are looking for.... do you need a car because you need to go to point A to point B? You shouldn't buy the cheapest, but you clearly don't need a Ferrari. I'm not saying LTT screwdriver shouldn't exist, but is it worth paying for most of us? I don't think so, just the same as Ferraris.

@@mark7527 how would they know if its a 10yr old or an adult?

@@mark7527 That wouldn't fix anything, adults say dumb stuff too every now and then and kids can be clever too.

Funny you mention that, another youtuber I follow made a video today about how he has people that message him at minimum 10 times a week just to tell him how much of a piece of shit he apparently is. There's people out there that are obsessed losers that don't have much going on for them, and instead of fixing it they take it out on others... it's getting worse these days.

So what that 99% moved on, if 10 people want to make your online presence hell then it is more than enough

No

His channel, his money, his rules. This doesn't have to be a democracy

But why shadow banning, why not just usual banning? Shadow banning seems kinda cowardice backstabbing and the person shadow banned has no idea that he is banned.

this is a moderation team, and yes tbh, linus should start a moderation team

@@TheDubass I said shadow-banning so nobody rebutted with “but he said shadow-ban bro”. Banning is totally something you could interchange here, and that would probably only simplify the challenges LMG would face a little bit; it runs into the same investment vs. effectiveness issue. We’ve seen behemoth companies fail at this (upping the dialogue via banning). It sounds easy, is hard.

I'd actually like to see LTT review QoL products like Zillions Shiatsu massagers. I'd love to know what they think of them.