Tyrion is going to be the devil on Dany’s shoulder. Even George said he was his favorite but he did say he was the villain. I REALLY look forward to Jaime meeting Stoneheart and how that goes down!
Servitude on the wall was a soldier type of service vs him being in a library studying n at the highest position he could be what grand master n serve under ppl no fighting or battles no sword play. Naw house tarly produce soldiers not king those his words not mine
Randall hated Sam for being physically weak. I think the wall was supposed to force him to become tougher, like sending someone to the military, Randall doesn't strike me as someone that would respect educated folks.
I completely agree with this theory. Johanna does say Tyion is the most like Tywin and he stops speaking to her for many years because of this. Tyion is Tywin's son. That's also why he can be a large man because if you remember Tywin pretty much ruled the kingdom when he was Hand of the King. So does Tyrion.
What if George does make ASOIAF a story of moving towards modern technology? The theme of the universe right now is moving from feudalism to some form of democracy.
The logistics for Tyrion being a targ bastard do totally line up! Joanna was in KL for a tourney the year before Tyrion's birth, and the day after the tourney Tywin attempted to resign. A lot of people argue that Tyrion is too much like Tywin not to be his, but Jon is also a whole lot like Ned too so it really comes down to nature vs nurture. He's still Tywin's son even if he isn't biologically.
GrayArea In the dame interview I mentioned, he went on about no industrialized options so I would have thought the same thing. @sam War machine is what I think of with war engine! I learned something new today! 👍
I mean how cool would it be for George to succeed in suddenly catapulting the universe into the modern technology age. That would be way more chaotic to the reader's assumptions in the story. Westeros is arguably in the process of moving from feudalism to democracy in some way right now.
@@sabrinakrisb4672 I think it was in one of In Deep Geek's videos where he - accurately - stated that Westeros, greatly in part because of the Citadel, is in an era of particular technological stasis as of the current books. They're stuck, with not a lot in terms of social or technological advancement going on. New ideas and new ways of thought are often poorly regarded. They *need* some sort of industrial revolution haha
I love the theory that Tyrion is Tywin's only true born son and that's part of why Tywin hates him so much. Tywin knows his twins are the Mad King's bastards. It's the kind of painful "heart in conflict with itself" stuff that George would inflict upon a character like Tywin.
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I agree with you about Tyrion's parentage, Gray. It would be interesting to have Tyrion Targaryen but I think he's the only Lannister child that Tywin has; Jaime and Cersei aren't Tywin's. Love this chapter!
Why Tarly sends his son to the wall instead off the citadel is specifcally adressed i AFFC , when sam asks his father to be a maester he says " if you must wear chains so be it" and chains him to a wall im the dungeon
Yeah, crazy! Sam's father didn't want his son to become a maester to serve others, but he was fine sending him to the Wall among criminals and maybe one day serving one of those criminals...
I think Sam's father wouldn't send him to be a maester because he saw that as weaknesses but also wanted Sam to suffer the most and felt the watch would do that more than the citadel.
I really enjoyed you and Marc on this one. You both feed off of each other really well. I think George wanted is to like Tyrion more than the text. I am pretty sure that is why Peter was cast.
in the end with the Tysha incident, turns out Jaime did Tyrion the dirtiest in that situation. and now theres no telling what Tyrion will do if he sees Jaime again.
Shannon T I agree Tywin did control his kids completely. I feel like he never really loved his kids. I feel that he saw them as tools to erase the shame in Tywin’s eyes his father brought on their family. If Ty did love his kids he had a really funky way of showing it
@@SyrNarcissus Turpin can't really be mad since Tyrion is the physical embodiment of what the Lannisters truly are on the inside misshapen spiteful Little Creatures full of Envy lust and low cunning
I think that Tyrion's arc might just be to have all this lost knowledge that could save the world and then he dies in obscurity as a sellsword near Mereen. We are talking about the same series of books that had the Red Wedding and the pointless beheading of the member of the Night Watch.
Also according to the books when Sam was little; he wanted to be a maester, but at the time he had no male siblings, so his dad had him chained to a wall in order to change his mind.
Also had he sent Sam to be a Maester he could always come back to claim his Lordship. Becoming a Man of the Nights Watch insured he relinquish all rights to his title...
@@made-line7627 I'm not absolutely sure but I know Maester Aemon was offered the throne after he was a Maester and he refused it. The throne then went to his younger brother Aegon V
I agree w/you GA. I like the theory that the twins are the secret Targaryens and Tyrion is Tywin's only true-born child. I find that most practical. Although I also like the theory that Tywin shot blanks and none of the kids are his, meaning his entire legacy is false. My tinfoil theory on that-- Joanna Lannister was Prince Lewyn Martell's paramour, and Prince Lewyn fathered Tyrion. That's where Tyrion's one black eye comes from (House Martell), it's where the black in his hair comes from, it's why Tywin hates Tyrion, it's the reason for the fate of Elia and her children at Tywin's command, it's in part why Oberyn went off script and defended Tyrion in his trial...and I should mention that in this scenario, I envision Prince Lewyn as being much younger than what we think, as in close in age to Oberyn and Elia. Similar to how Dany is Jon's aunt but also younger than him. I know this theory isn't true, it's riddled with holes, but it's fun to indulge in tinfoil every now and again.
Interesting, that goes way down the rabbit hole! Yeah I think his treasured golden twins are the Mad King’s kids as well. He loved the handmaidens is a seed that surely will pay off in SOME way! My favorite tinfoil is that Dany is a bastard of rape. The whole Daenerys=Ashara DAYNE + Aerys. The yin yang/ice and fire would align GRRM style well for this with Jon and Dany.
@@shannond7437 It goes WAY down the rabbit hole lol. I do that sometimes. And I've considered the Dayne-Aerys theory before, but I thought at the time of Dany's conception, Aerys had stopped cheating on Rhaella because he suspected the gods were punishing him for his infidelities by taking the lives of his children. I could be wrong about that though. My favorite tinfoil Dany parents theory is R+A=D (Rhaegar and Ashara). I think Ashara might've been trying to help Elia and Rhaegar have the 3rd child Rhaegar needed but Elia couldn't provide. Again, way down the rabbit hole but that's the point lol.
I cheered when Randall Tarly got roasted by Drogon for refusing to bend the knee to Dany. Yes, she invaded with an army of savages, but he was wrong when he said she was a foreign invader with no ties to Westeros. She's an exiled princess who was born in Westeros, a kingdom her family ruled for generations who was returning to claim her birthright. If they wanted us to question the morality of Dany killing Randall and Dickon who was a moron and should've bent the knee, they failed by having him make those false claims about Dany and showing us how horribly he treated Sam besides the Tarly line didn't become extinct after Dany had them killed because it carried on through Sam and Gilly's baby.
Seriously, what did they expect? They didn't bend the knee, and they didn't want to go to the wall. Taking them prisoner would be of no use to anyone so they had to be executed. That's it. It wasn't like Dany burned them AFTER they bend their knee as a sort of punishment, which imo would have been the only way to make her seem cruel, irrational and like a mad queen.
@@Ari-Rina Just like they had her destroy King's Landing after she'd won the battle, it made no sense. It would've made sense If she had attacked the Red Keep and but D&D had to subvert expectations at the expense of telling a coherent story.
@@brandonlambert9768 The story stopped being coherent as soon as they ran out of books and started to get weaker when they decided to change stuff from the books (eg. leaving lady stoneheart out) and it just got worse with every season. Srsly it should just be a rule to never make movies or series out of book series that haven't been finished yet.
I believe Tyrion is Tywin' s son because of what his aunt said. Tywins sister told Jaime that Tyrion was Tywins son but said Jaime is not his father's son. Perhaps it is Jaime and Cersei that are bastard Targaryens. But I don't think that Joanna got pregnant during the wedding ceremony when Aerys took liberty's because Cersei and Jaime were born a few years later. But I do like the theory that Jaime and Cersei could be Aerys children because Cersei acts a lot like Aerys.
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Agreed. The Tyrion Targaryen theory is just that. A theory. Same with believing that Jaime and Cersei are the Mad King's kids. No, just... no. Just like Tyrion, the Lannister twins are Lannisters, through and through.
I think Tywin didn't send Tyrion to the Citadel because he's on one hand afraid of his mind and on the other(and I realize this is twisted), he values Tyrion the most. Tyrion seems to be the one that Tywin talks "to" the most, not "at."
Tywin has always recognized Tyrion's intelligence. Even if he hadn't been planning to use it himself, initially, there's no way he'd allow it to benefit another house.
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The thing about kids being cruel is that a lot of kids just take joy in looking at reactions of the things (eg. destruction and pain) they cause. They are curious and want to learn what happens if they do this and that, want to experience it all and to witness it all, they sometimes don't understand how awful that must feel for the other person. It's the responsibility of the parents to teach their kids the morality behind all of that. My theory is that because Joffrey was so spoiled and entitled, with Cercei not caring about his morality at all, he also treated his siblings not in the best manner, which is why Mycella and Tommyn didn't turn out like him since they knew that being treated kindly is better than curelty.
Wow you sound like you'd be a great child psychologist, I mean that 100% I didnt pick up on that but it makes so much sense as to why Tommen and Mycella behave very differently from Joffrey
@@sabrinakrisb4672 Haha thx, I love psychology, it super interesting to get into all of that stuff, but I can't take the credit for the children being cruel - thing. I got that from an anime years ago and that piece of information kinda stuck with me since it makes so much sense.
I think Tyrion travels more than anyone before the dragons at least lol, I wonder if Martin can finish in two books!? There is a lot left, I bet he is trying to fix up a lot from the show, it is so much harder now that he is getting show feedback and pressure and trying to do what seems fresh when writing it, totally crazy
In regards to the Lannisters Tywin and Tyrion resemble their grandfathers respectively. Tyrion like Tytos tried to please those who would use him and only was regarded for what he could bring by being manipulated by both lords and family. Tywin like Gerold "The Golden Lion" did not teach his third born (both their remaining heirs) how to rule and allow outside influences effect the direction of the Lannister legacy. By the time he realized how much damage has been done to the power of his family he is already old and too obsessed with the lost wife (Joanna's Death & Rohanne Disappearance).
George is a fucking mastermind I feel sad for my friends who dont know how much fun it is to try and figure out things about his story. He definitely played a lot of dungeons and dragons and got really GOOD at it.
Randall Tarly sent Sam to the wall because he thought the wall would either make him a man or kill him. Sam was upset when Jon wanted him to become a measter. Sam said his father thought measters were weak.
I think George sees the bad side of himself in Tyrion and sees the better parts of himself in Sam. Hes said he relates to them the most out of all the characters.
I love the preoccupation with whether or not Tyrion is a Targ instead oh WHERE THE HECK DID THE STARKS get this stuff? Rhaegar perhaps? Come on @GrayArea I would love to know your take on this and why no one in the fandom has ever addressed this matter.
Just a thought on who would ride Viserion in the books....Euron, I think he may take Viserion with Dragonbinder and tame him using Valyrian magic he's discovered in Valyria or maybe he has a scroll he needs the warlocks for, something! I don't think it will be the same as season 7 where the Night King or The Others kill Viserion. I think Viserion will be lost to Dany because the dragon is bound to a new rider. It would be terribly sad given their bond in the books, he certainly is the most affectionate dragon towards Dany.
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Love all of your videos! About the Tyrion slap and how Cersei never punished Joffrey or disciplined him- there’s a scene in the show where Cersei slaps him and it was so satisfying to watch. One of the only show changes I approve of- but also speaks to how different book Cersei is from show Cersei. Still satisfying to watch though.
The citadel is a lot more honorable than the wall and in Sam's case, Randall didn't believe in education and basically wanted Sam dead anyway because he was not a warrior. He didn't want sam to get any joy out of life.
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George has literally zero fear of making the Lannisters look like awful shallow people in their horrible backstabbing greedy psychopathic family if Jaime, the guy who pushed a little kid out of a window, is the best of them
No, the book says he only took "unwanted liberties", he probably only fondled her. Anyway, the twins were born much later. However, Tyrion was born about 9 months after her last visit to the capital, and Aerys was not above forcing himself onto women...
Tyrion is a Lannister, regardless who fathered him. His mother was a Lannister - Tywin's cousin. But yes, the irony of Tyrion being Tywin's only true born son would be so good.
Randall Tarly sent Sam to the Wall because he intended for him to die, and he wanted him to be as miserable as possible for as long as he might live. Sam WANTED to go to the Citadel, and Randall knew that would make him happy.
Lannister, Targaryen, Baratheon, Stark, Tyrell, they're all just spokes on a wheel. This one's on top, then that one's on top, and on and on it spins, crushing those on the ground.
Just remember direwolves don’t like ‘bad’ people, ghost didn’t like him, Jon even said he would have ripped out his throat which is eye catching cause ghost is pretty cool GREYWIND also hated the Freys and who killed Robb cause he didn’t listen to him?
Sam and Tyrion are the two readers in the song of ice on fire. These two are “wasting” candles on reading all night, imagine if they come together and combine their forces with Bran’s green seeing ability?!? Also, since Joanna Lannister was Tywin’s cousin, and a Lannister on her own, if Tyrion is part Targaryen, he would still be part Lannister, although not Tywin’s son.
Even if Tywn would have considered sending Tyrion to the Citadel, I don't think Tyrion wanted to be a Maester. He rejected the notion of going to the wall, because Night Watchmen must make vows of celibacy. They also must give up any claims of inheritance. And, Tyrion wants Castlely Rock. Since Jaime is in the King's Gaurd, Tyrion basically has the strongest claim to be the heir of Tywn. And, he demands Twyn name him heir of the Rock, as a reward for holding King's Landing in the Battle of the Blackwater. Where he explicitly argues that it was his Birthright.
Robert only cared about eating, drinking and f*cking. Cersei is the kind of mother who lets her kids do whatever they want because she loves them so much and is afraid for when the day comes they'll die. How do you expect these two people to properly educate Joffrey? ;-)
Did you hear the theory that Tyrion is a human chimera- the son of both Tywin and the Mad King. In real life they often have two different color eyes. The best part is it may make HIM capable of being a mother (father) of dragons. A theory is you need two genes, one is a rider, but two is a mother. Only females and male chimeras can get dragons to hatch. Tywin or Johanna would have had to pass him the second gene though...
Idk if this has been said already or not, but Randall never sent Sam to the become a meister because Randyll Tarly considers it an insult to his house if his son ends up serving a lord beneath them.
when Jaime asked Tyrion "Who's side are you on" a Lannister soilder steps in between Jaime and Tyrion which could be a foreshadow that Tyrion is a Targaryen. Also at the crossroad when Tyrion turns right toward the wall Tyrion is wearing all black and he takes 2 Lannister soilders with him wearing Red. Tyrion could be a Targaryen bastard.
I truly believe Tyrion (and Jamie and Cersei) are the Mad Kings children. Tyrion 3, GOT, "oh, I think that Lord Tyrion is quite a large man, " Maester Aemon said. A line that still plays on my mind. Why does Aemon say this? What does he know? Brilliant chapter too.
I believe Tyrion is a Targaryen but that doesn't mean he isn't a Lannister, because he was raised by Lannister's. I mean just because Jon is a Targaryen doesn't mean he's not a Stark. Jon is the Starkiest of the Stark children besides Arya, and Tyrion is the Lannisteriest of the Lannisters of his generation. It's not a matter of nature but nurture in these regards. But yes I believe when it comes to Tyrion we'll never have a concrete answer because that's not how GRRM writes. There is no one there to tell Tyrion any of these "truths" besides possibly Bran, but even still it's more up GRRM's alley to make it ambiguous. Also the timeline does work. Joanna was in KL in 272 AC when Tyrion was conceived. Aerys insulted Joanna, asking her if nursing her children ruined her breasts, and Tywin tried to resign the next day. Now I wouldn't question this further if this had been the first grievous insult, but it wasn't, it wasn't even the first grievous insult towards his wife. Aerys was pretty malicious to Tywin and predatory towards Joanna for several years before this. And the fact that Tywin even questioned Tyrion's parentage - even though it seems Joanna and Tywin were devoted to each other - makes this whole situation suspicious. And yes you can blame this on Tywin being ableist to Tyrion and in being too prideful in his own genetics, but I think Tywin had real concerns, although nothing excuses any of his abusive behavior. As for the original synopsis, yeah it's changed, but look at it again and ask yourself how many of the broadstrokes actually changed? Sure some characters were switched around and changed trajectories and some motives changed, but most of the broadstrokes are the same. Winterfell was still taken and destroyed, Catelyn was still killed and came back undead, Jon still became Lord Commander, Bran still needed to go beyond the Wall, Dany is still amassing an army of Dothraki and hatching dragons, ect. Like I said, it's different because of character trajectories being different and the story being more fleshed out now that the story was expanded from 3 books to 7 books, but most of the broadstrokes are the same. And I'm just trying to clarify, no I'm not saying Jon/Arya/Tyrion is going to happen, but if we keep the broadstroke of this, it's very likely we'll still see a romantic triangle/s in the next books also. Like for example the love triangle could have been turned from Jon/Arya/Tyrion to Jon/Dany/Tyrion. I know a lot of people try to dismiss the original synopsis for one reason or another, but when you go into it you can see most of the broadstrokes are the same regardless of what character is doing what. As for Randyll Tarly and Tywin Lannister not pushing Sam and Tyrion towards the Citadel to become Maester's, it was all down to pride. They both couldn't allow someone of their bloodlines to "serve" as Maester's due to blood pride. Yet they were both more than willing to send their sons to the Wall. And I think this is because they would be out of sight of other nobility at the Wall compared to how Maester's are placed in the houses of nobility, so they are visible and usually people know which families they came from if they too were noble, regardless of vows renouncing names and titles. So yeah it was down to pride and also the hope that sending them somewhere that dangerous would kill them without them having to worry about kinslaying. I hadn't planned on writing so much, but oh well. :P
I feel like Robert would have gone to the wall twelve years ago, especially if there was a war in the offing with the Wildlings, but that's not Robert anymore.
I think the reason why Tarley sent Sam to the wall, and not the citadel, is because he values skill at arms more than books. So even though he was wanting rid of Sam he still had the thought that maybe at the wall Sam would actually be useful. There's also the thought that he wanted rid of Sam so much that he didn't want to risk Sam turning up a some other lord's place as a maester and have people ask the awkward question of why did the heir become a maester, better to be out of sight.
That might have played a small role in Randle Tarly's thinking. But, like Tywn, he is portrayed as an overly proud Lord. Not wanting his son to become a servant, is in character with his excessive pride. While, tactfully avoiding the direct argument is out of character for him. Randle Tarly speaks his mind with little concern for how his opinion is received. Especially with those below him, like his son. Or at least, that's how I read his character.
Hey Grey Area awesome job on this video with Sir Hunts on Tyrion. You know who would be a great guest for one of these episodes is Rawrist I feel that you two doing a chapter read of Song of Ice and Fire would cool
I think Tyrion will be an excellent hand to Dany until they reach Westeros, and he'll betray her for his love of his brother. However, he is a much darker character, so maybe he won't, and he'll be the devil on Dany's shoulder who convinces her to attack the Red Keep, which ends up destroying the majority of King's Landing. In the books, does he know about the caches of wildfire?
@@sabrinakrisb4672 I'd rather have a sadistic Tyrion than a stupid Tyrion. Why Dany continued to trust him after he failed her repeatedly during seasons seven and eight is beyond me. By dumbing down Tyrion they also made Dany look incompetent.
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Sam wasn't sent to the Citadel because his father didn't want his son to become a servant. Here's the quote from AFFC: "He doesn't understand. "My lord," Sam said, "my f-f-f-father, Lord Randyll, he, he, he, he, he . . . the life of a maester is a life of servitude." He was babbling, he knew. "No son of House Tarly will ever wear a chain. The men of Horn Hill do not bow and scrape to petty lords." If it is chains you want, come with me. "Jon, I cannot disobey my father."" Tywin probably saw it the same way as Randyll. So neither of them could send their kids to the Citadel, but they both did or tried to send them to the Wall.
Tyrion & Jamie’s relationship will probably be repaired unless there is more rhyming with Tyrion and Tywin: Tywin being said not to smile after Joanna’s death and turning even more calculated and seemingly uncaring towards everyone, including family members...maybe the same will happen with Tyrion after Shay’s death and also finding out about Tysha’s real story will keep Tyrion from happiness and joy towards everyone as well and make him even more calculating etc. I hope not because I like happy endings but this story is and has never been about happy endings...clearly. Lol. I love Tyrion’s character (but I also loved Tywin’s but I think a lot of that was Charles Dance’s amazing acting and portrayal of the character.
About Tyrion's acrobatic skills... GRRM mentioned in a 2012 interview that this would be one of the few things he would change if he could. Though he does do some cartwheels and tumbles later on (ADWD), but nothing too physically challenging (as jumping from the top of a gate like in GOT). As for the theory about the "conception" of Tyrion and the alleged rape of Joanna by Aerys II, this clearly wasn't on the her wedding night with Tywin (though Barristan Selmy does claim the king joked that it was a shame the First Night tradition had been abolished, and it is inferred that he did somehow abuse her during the bedding ceremony). The most probable scenario (if Tyrion really is King Aerys's bastard) is that the rape took place during the great Anniversary Tourney in 272, commemorating Aerys's tenth year on the throne, when Lady Joanna came to King's Landing to present her 6yo twins. And the day after that tourney something made Lord Tywin attempt to resign his position as hand of the king. (And of course Tyrion was born approx 9 months after that. A stunted dwarf with pale hair and mismatched eyes who dreams of dragons). TLDR ==> Tyrion's acrobatic skills were a mistake of the author / and there is strong textual hints that he might be King Aerys's bastard.
The twins being Aerys would make such a better story than Tyrion. Both Jamie and Tyrion would have killed their own father's, Tyrion being hated but Tywins only actual child would be great, plus if the twins are Aerys then Jamie could find out and actually wake dragons from stone. Which would make his Azor Qhai case stronger and go along with his prophetic dream of him holding a magic glowing sword while misty white figures approach.
Tyrion being Aerys' child doesn't make much sense either. He is the youngest. Aerys misbehaved on the wedding night of Tywin and his wife. Didn't Tywin keep her away from him afterwards? I think Jamie will die for Bran, kinda like Theon.
Sam could also have become a septon. As for Tyrion Lannister vs. Tyrion Targaryen, Joanna was a Lannister, so he's a Lannister either way, yes? Even if he's also Targaryen.
They say everytime a targaryan is born , you flip a coin, therefore Jaime was not mad yes Cersei went mad , hence 1 out of 2 or 1/2 or half, lol.. I agree with Grey wolf, I hope 🙏we are eight about this conspiracy
Why did Randyl Tarly send his son to the Wall? Sam told Jon the reason when Lord Snow sends him to the Citadel - no son of House Tarly will serve, no son of House Tarly will ever wear a chain. Sam's own words there. So he was sent to the Wall to basically, 1. die, or 2. toughen up & survive. Randyl Tarly clearly felt there as nothing else to be done with Sam, he wants him to be the archetype man, a warrior, not a medic or an intellectual.
I think Tywin did not send Tyrion to the Citadel because he has a drinking/sex craving and could risk a big embarrassing incident. Also, he knew Tyrion would excel at the Citadel and Tywin wants him to suffer in life since Johanna died giving birth to him and Tywin suffers thru life without her.
Lots of interesting observations. Like the way Robert ignores the Wall. Even if, to be fair, so does everyone else. Also the crow vs. the wolf and Richard III.
