You guys are the reason why football is called soccer in US ,it will never grow. First of all ,if MLS had a break during international games we wouldn't have this conversation, Messi played 19 games and that only makes him the candidate, he had better stats than your Cucho. Secondly, take out messi G/A contribution and see if Miami with thier 8 games win would've won the shield. You guys are bad when it comes to reading the game😂😂😂😂
It’s messi and it’s not even a debate. You’re stupid if you think messi isn’t the answer. If messi played those games and did nothing by your logic messi is overwhelming favourite. Which is stupid you moron.
To say messi isnt the mvp of mls with 36 goal contributions with 19 games played is crazy.. give the top scorer the golden boot.. but messi is undoubtedly the mvp of the year
Here is my argument , if MLS stop during players National Games , we would not having this argument today, Messi had multiple appearances in the National Team which took away multiple games , goals and assists from him, so it is not fair he gets panelized for that , where others who you think they deserve it more that they should get it , this is ridiculous
Right! To be honest, many of the MLS players are not even good into be called up to their national team. There’s a reason why they play for MLS so having them compare Messi to these mediocre players are laughable.
To be fair the Supporter's Shield champions would be the league champions in the rest of the world, equivalent to winning Premier League or La Liga while MLS Cup is a glorified Copa del Rey/FA Cup where the a team who finished 9th is able to win it without being the best throughout the year.
The competition format caused the problem. The Supporters shield winner should actually be more deserving because they are obviously a better team all season than a 8th position team that might end up winning the MLS cup. If anything else, it should be the leader of the Eastern conference v the leader of Western conference. But US systems are always trying to be different.
100%. It's just a strange system, and it only undermines the league table itself, which is by far the most difficult to win. MLS just decided to be different from the rest of the world I guess, for no reason.
This is how american sports work: NFL MLB NBA NHL all have the same format. Its all about the play offs even though there is a division/conference/Entire league champions.
So the only way to win the MLS MVP, is to be too bad to play for your national team, so that you don't miss out on MLS matches? Seriously? As long as the MLS doesn't take breaks when national teams are playing, MLS players shouldn't be judged for playing fewer games than others, just for being good enough to participate in international football. Messi's MLS statistics of 36 goal contributions in 19 matches, which is half a MLS season, should solidify him as the MVP, because no one else is even near such numbers.
Miami did not qualified in the Mind of Infantino. They qualified by winning the supporters shield, they qualified because they broke the all time league table record, they qualified because they move from the button of the league 19 points last season to 74 points, they qualified because the have the highest market value record, they qualified because they have the Goat who even less games played still top the most man of the Match, just 3 goals behind the winner of the golden boot with less games, in the top 10 assists of the season. They qualified because they are more competitive than any team in the MLS. They qualified be whether you like it or yes they are winning MLs this year. Plus your flimsy point you mention. In all don’t be a hater sir because they’re more than qualify
Consider the impact Messi has had this year , and not just in the MLS , and I defy you to find anyone , in any sport , to equal it, except, possibly Caitlin Clark . Generational talent has to be celebrated especially when you recognize its rarity!
He gotta be the MVP and actually they gotta thank him too, coz lets be honest, before Messi comes to MLS, not so many people was in their stadium watching their match except maybe an important Final matches but now, seriously people are showing up to support their team. People started getting interested in Football. He changed a lot of things in MLS. He has got to get that MVP and also a Big Thanks 😂 😂
If I were told that a player came to the MLS and radically changed a team, taking it from last place to becoming the best team in the tournament and being the top scorer and assist maker, and that he has somehow changed football in his environment in a country where football is relegated to last place among sports, then it seems that being called Messi is counterproductive.
Infantino did not say that Inter Miami was the champion team, he said that IM is the best team of the season in America. This is actually true as they got the most points.
To do what he did against New England sums up why he is the undisputed MVP; coming off the bench and sealing the win and. league. record with his second hat trick in a week. Come on! Who does that? Some may roll their eyes at their ersatz "qualification" for the CWC next year but Messi is, by virtue of his already legendary status, a rule breaker.
This 8 out of 9 game thing is selective memory. 3 of Miami's 4 losses came when he wasn't playing. They lost exactly 1 game this season in which he participated. In addition, they lost the Leagues Cup with him not playing.
MLS is still asking whether Lionel Messi deserves to be MVP? only a league that doesn't understand football would ask such a question to a figure like Lionel Messi. Even if Lionel Messi was still playing in the Europa League, there would definitely be no debate about his 9th ballon dor.
Gianni is right.other league winners are determined by points,finishing with most points on the league.The league is won by points.This idea of mls playoffs is just a scam
It's not given to inter miami the shield winners are the one qualifies for major fifa tournament.. in ISL shield winners are qualified for AFC champions league
And Alexis once again completely avoids to make any comments about Messi scoring 3 goals in 33 minutes at 37 years of age. Apparently, that doesn’t deserve any notice. Anti-Messi resentment at its best.
Mosse, please a enlighten us on How this could have been managed IF the intention was to get Miami in the tournament? You already said due to marketing they wanted to have Messi in it so How would you have managed and also making sure Messi be apart of it? Had they announced the winner of the supporter shield would be awarded but what in case Miami failed to win it? If their intention was to titi get Messi then they had no other choice. No matter how you slice it, it wasn’t going to be a good look. It is what it is
Lets say you star a new team in a new city in USA. Bangor, for example. The Bangor monsters or something like that. Your sponsons said "pick any player of the MLS" and we'll bring that guy. The only answers is Messi. There is your answer to who is more valuable. Benteke , laucha acosta, etc are great. But Messi impact is in another category
If I had to guess, I'd say his bosses or someone from MLS gave him a call to tell him to tone it down on the praising, because Messi (and Suárez playing with crutches) is making MLS and all its players look like amateurs. That might be good for the people who likes Messi or Suárez, but not for your league, because it shows how far away you are from top competitors, even when they're pushing 40 years of age. If almost all teams are having trouble controlling Messi and Suárez now, imagine playing against players like that in their prime!!!
Honestly , you guys level of knowledge about so call soccer is not too high, Messi is the best no more argument please !!!!!. Look at Messi seen he was at 18 until now anybody play better him??
@@Nitegame Cucho's best season is Messi 's worst season 😆 🤣 even Cucho knows Messi have a better season than him,even though Messi missed a lot of games due to injury. Before the Copa America tournament, Messi was already 25 G/A, imagine he played the full season now 😆 🤣 😂 he will break all records in the MLS history.
@@Nitegame Some people are really not happy Messi is playing MLS. Man , Messi is better than most top players playing in European top 5 leagues . Cucho has a better season than Messi ,man smoking something tyie b4 this video 😆 🤣 😂 I remembered Cucho was at Watford, he helped them relegated . He really improved since joining Colombus Crew, if Messi don't play the MLS give him the Mvp, but if Messi is playing why not the MVP?
Even Fifa following Messi in America 😆 🤣 Cr7 supporters, please don't come and start crying on my comment oh 😆 🤣 . The club world cup coming to America 🇺🇸, don't come here and comment that Messi is Fifa boy oh 😆 😂 . Take it or continue to cry more,Messi is the Goat 🐐, end of story.
Messi OBVIOUSLY should've had his bodyguard to play in his place for 10 more games simply standing in the middle of the field doing nothing, and making 0 goal contributions, because only then would Messi be worthy of being MVP according to many pundits apparently 😂😂😂
But i thought all current participants in the club world cup are league winners in their respective countries. So what other criteria did yall want FIFA to invent??!!
what would you do differently if you are fifa? You have a chance to make sure ticket sales blow up and advertise for the controversial new event, and yet you don't make it happen? It's just business man. Plain and simple. It's the pareto efficient decision. MLS itself it just warrant this non-serious maneuver. Like which league has two trophies?
Idc what anyone says Messi has brought light to mls..even the cr fanbase are tuning in..although we know they watch to come criticise but the fact that they do…that is influence
This guy is reaching ridiculous levels of denial. So to be the MVP you have to be lucky enough to not be injured and bad enough to not get called to your national team? Great logic there, Einstein. Nevermind the insinuation that Miami was handed the entrance to the Clubs WC, as if they didn't deserve it. Even when he tries to come off as neutral and acknowledge the achievements, there's always a "but" to put things into question and marr said achievements.
Barca boys crushing the MLS at their age is an indictment of MLS…..internationally it’s a joke because US Soccer is a joke. With our resources we ought to be far more competitive internationally. Nothing will change until the current US Soccer organization is destroyed and rebuilt with player development as the primary focus.
Saludos desde Argentina, comparto que no estuvo bien lo que hizo Infantino y seamos sinceros, se van a volver más rápido que cualquier otro equipo teniendo en cuenta la calidad de equipos que componen el mundial de clubes...creo que siguen usando la imagen de Leo para llenar sus bolsillos y si bien queremos el 47° lo único que logran es quemar su imagen
Lala is naturally not a fan of Messi. He will pick on the slightest of negative and inflate it supporting casting a shadow of - he aint that valuable this season
The shield should matter anyway, i don't know why MLS would go for play offs? For what? The winner of the MLS cup should be the one finished with most points just like other europeans tournments.
i very much doubt messi cares about that or that delulu world cup ... they obv milking messi ... i will not be suprised if all of a sudden the fifa ceo will tell us that the last team is al nassr to feed the ronaldo vs messi narrative... and for mvp? depends how you judge it.. numbers? messi have it... goals with out penalties? messi have it... impact on games? messi have it.. most games played? messi does not have it... i think its fine if wins the mvp but i really hope he will flip a bird on fifa and wont play in the world cup.. dude desreves rest
To be honest, the shield is the league really...the rest is a knockut competition...yankees called it playoff...lol...the fact that the league is harder and folks find it as a secondary to the playoff is mind boggling to me
There should be 2 games home and away between Inter Miami and Los Angeles FC to decide who is going to be the MLS champion. That's it! Don't need the League cup! or...maybe...use it as something similar to FA cup
Shocking defending on some of those goals. MLS defending is shocking. Giving Inter Miami the spot is a joke. But FIFA is a joke. The suckups are a joke. They were gifted a spot. Period. But the club world cup is a joke tourney too. Nobody really cares.
