Lions or Browns: Which 0-16 Team Was Worse? 

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Alot of the people are saying lions on this. As a browns fan im not surprised because we couldnt even win on this.

Tbh the 1-15 Browns seemed worse to me than the 0-16 Browns. The win for them seemed like a complete fluke while the 0-16 Browns were close numerous times.

I have to go with the lions on this, just the fact a hall of fame WR has a no win season under his belt is wild.

As a Lions fan I wasn't happy when the Browns also went 0-16. That was OUR thing!!!!!

I'm not sure which one is worse, but I laughed much more at the Browns plight. I just felt pity for Detroit.

Missed a great opportunity to mention Dan Campbell was on the 0-16 Lions playing with Calvin Johnson

As a born and bred Lions fan, it's absolutely fucking terrible the way Megatron's career ended up. Dude was top 5 all time, no question. He was basically what kept me watching football in that time, and yes, him retiring gave me PTSD flashbacks of Barry. That being said, I don't blame either of them. On the plus side, Calvin has a bunch of weed farms by me now, so that's cool lol

I’m a lifelong Browns fan and NE Ohio native. When they were 0-10, we were hoping they’d go 0-16. Never forget WE HAD A PARADE FOR 0-16 and it was packed!!

Something notable about the lions... They started 6-2 in 2007. Talking about possibly being playoff contenders. From that point until the end of the 2009 season, they went 3-37.

Another thing not mentioned about the '08 Lions... The infamous curse of Bobby Layne was cast on the Lions shortly after their 4th championship win in 1957 when their star quarterback, Bobby Layne, was unexpectedly traded in the middle of the 1958 season. On his way out, Layne shouted "the Lions will not win for the next 50 years". 50 years after his fateful words, the Lions became the first team in NFL history to go 0-16

If you’re asking who had the worst team, Browns. If you’re asking which season was more shameful, Lions. We had freaking Megatron and couldn’t win once.

Which is worse, winning the “worse team ever” award or having such a losing culture that you can’t even win “the worst team ever” award whilst literally being 0-16.

Man, 2008. Aaron Rodgers and Matt Ryan were just young up and coming QBs. Tom Brady was still pretty young. Both Mannings were in their peak. Mahomes was in middle school.

Coming here during week 17 to congratulate both these teams on not only making the playoffs this year, but still having a chance at the top seed in their respective conferences.

Having an 0-16 season with the second youngest Hof inductee ever is… a feat. Lions fans have gone through a lot.

Watching Hue Jackson week after week throw his players and coaches under the bus....... You forgot the famous blown trade when the Browns front office forgot to send a completed trade offer into the NFL in time.

One interesting fact, Dan Campbell was on the Lions in 2008, but he was on IR.

I was in boot camp when the regular season ended. My instructor came in one evening and said, "They did it. The Lions lost all of their games."

7 months later and both of these teams are in the playoffs

The Lions as they were legitimately bad, the Browns under Sashi Brown were attempting a 76ers type “process” where they would tank and trade everything for future picks. A team designed to lose won’t be as bad as one that is just bad

Can’t wait for this to be this year‘s or next year’s Super Bowl 😂

I remember back in the day when people believed it would be impossible for a professional football team to go without a win

I was working doing quick detail work for a nice car wash just outside of Detroit. Dante Culpepper came through in his Maserati and got a wash and armor-all on his dash. I drove his car off the wash line and to the side where I armor-all'd his dashboard. I had to ask him how to put it in park lmao. He gave me a $20 dollar tip. I asked him " are they gonna let you start one of these games?" He hadn't played yet this year. He stood up tall and puffed his chest out and said "If they want to win they will." I'll never forget that moment. I remember thinking to myself hmm was a $20 dollar tip for a $15 dollar armor-all dash fair? For sure! But from Dante Culpepper? I didn't know weather to be greatful or think dudes f n cheap. Nowadays I'm greatful for the priceless memories of driving that car and many other athletes and coaches car's 30 ft in a parking lot.

My favorite memory as a packers fan of the 0-16 lions is when they faced the packers week 2. They stormed back from an early 21-3 deficit for a 25-24 lead in the fourth quarter… Only to be losing 48-25 about 7 minutes later.

I used to feel bad for Cleveland till the Watson deal. Ditching baker (not the best qb but TECHNICALLY the only qb in franchise history with a playoff win), destroying the FA market with that contract, just to take a whole season off for fans that have already seen more than enough of that. I feel for the fans, but Haslem has to be praying Snyder sticks around so Jim isn’t the worst owner in the league.

As a 56 year old the one thing I can for sure tell you is that both teams would have destroyed the 0-14 (or 0-26) Tampa Bay team!!! Best coach comment ever at least Reporter's question after a game - "how do you feel about your teams execution?" Coach - "I'm all for it!"

As a Michigander, I can proudly say I did watched the 2008 Detroit Red Wings win the Stanley Cup!!

The Packers saw how the Lions defense performed and said "Yes. We need their DC."

Ouch didn't even take until 2024 for the Rodgers prediction to go bust.😂

Not even 2024 and that Aaron Rodgers comment is a "yikes"

13:50 that aged well

For some reason, I watched the Browns that season. They had so many opportunities to win games... but the level of Browns the Browns pulled was impressive. Capped off by their unsurprising bust WR dropping a pass with his Crisco-covered hands. The Lions were so much worse the Browns lose again.

Commenting before the video, I'm saying the Lions. There was an article that came out in I think 2009 or 2010 that included a comment from then Lions QB John Kitna. Apparently during training camp when the coaching staff were giving the players the "new" playbook, Kitna looked at the HC and said something like "If we implement this system we won't win a single game."

13:52 well… no one could have predicted that result

My Detroit-native cousin moved to Cleveland in 2015, experiencing both imperfect seasons in person. More proof to stay away from him.

This is why I love this channel. This would be a discussion you have with your friends at the bar while watching a game. Great job Brandon

Meanwhile neither of these teams was ever blown out by 50 points.

As a lions fan, our 0-16 was like a 9 year train ride which we fell off a damn cliff. I bet that the best GM's in the league have a picture of Matt Millen to remind them constantly, how not to run a team.

As a Lions lifer, I appreciate this video. Also, CJ's career wasn't just cut short by Lions' ineptitude, but by Jim Schwartz, who after getting fired by the Lions basically wrote the book as opposing DC on how to beat Megatron - forget about defending the pass, go for the ankles. And then they hoisted that a-hole and carried him out of the stadium. Really was the beginning of the decline of CJ's body and overall dominance, that one game.

Hue Jackson vs. Matt Milen The greatest comparison since Adam Gase and Bobby Petrino

As a lifelong Vikings fan I can't tell you how many times I've seen someone talk about a player/team having a great play/game/win and without even looking at the screen I know I'm about to re-live a moment of horrible Minnesota Viking's history I never wanted to see again! Thank you, Brandon, for reminding me that the only team the 0-16 Lions came close to beating was the Vikings.

I think the 0 fer buccaneers were the worst

Many of us never forget about those two points against Minnesota. It's impossible.

Perna, Dan Campbell was on that 2008 Lions team, FYI. Awesome video BTW, thanks for this one. I remember 2008 a bit foggy. The Red Wings were in the Cup finals so we in Detroit were okay as long as we were Wings fans.

The Lions couldn't win a game with Megatron. That takes the cake for me.

When the browns went 0-16, as a lions fan it made me so happy to see that another team could be so bad that they didn’t win a game. Just imagine had the chargers beaten them the year before we would’ve had back to back 0-16 seasons

This is the best show on RU-vid. Not That’s Good as a whole. But Balls Deep is fantastic. He knows enough about football to be dangerous; but not enough to where he’ll drone on with stuff, and his trademark humor is able to be everywhere on these episodes.

Fun Fact: I'm and Eagles fan and my dad is a Browns fan. I was at the Browns 0-16 parade and the Eagles Super Bowl parade that year. Was anyone else at both parades?

I live near Tampa and I am surprised, that I am saddened, that the 1976 Buccaneers get left out the the worst team discussions.

If NFL executives would have actually watched these two teams for 16 games, we wouldn't have moved to a 17 game schedule, we would've regressed to a 14 game schedule

As a Bucs fan I really hope Baker works out. We haven't had much luck with first overall picks.

Strength of schedule tells it like it is. Whoever went 0-16 with the easier schedule was the worse team.

that "much like the German Kaiser joke..." was gold Perna. Made this history buff fan of yours proud

I do want to point out that the Lions put Jon Kitna, imo our best QB, on injured reserve that year. I think we would have won one game at least with him.

The '17 Browns coming so close here and still losing is probably the most Browns thing I've ever seen.

As a bengals fan, it’s easily Detroits season. But I still am curious on why Cleveland actually KEPT hue jackson for a few more games until finally firing him

Nobody talks about the winless Colts from the strike season, I know it's a short season but still remarkable

Haha love it! I approve of your reasoning. I would also throw in the consistent horrible GM jobs for both teams. Lions drafting 3 WR each year and the Browns seemingly drafting #1 QB busts each year.

I like the "Lioms" logo, seems about right for that team. I distinctly remember pre-season talk of the team being very competitive after they won all of their pre-season games, which were the only wins all year. Thanks Matt Millen!

I recall both these teams well and would call it a tie even after overtime since the bottom line is they were winless. As a long time NFL follower going back to the St. Louis Cardinals in 1960 when they arrived from Chicago the Browns had very good teams in the 1960s.The others under Brian Sipe. Of course similar to the original Washington Senators becoming the Minnesota Twins in 1961 and the Senators becoming an expansion team, the original Cleveland Browns are in Baltimore and these are an expansion Cleveland Browns team. I wish St. Louis had been given an expansion team when Stan Kroenke moved the STL Rams in a similar manner., but an owner was needed anyway. They were well supported and St. Louis was prepared to build even yet another stadium for the STL Rams. It was all about the large TV market of L.A.. I hardly remember the Lions ever having a good team outside of Barry Sanders years . I guess Lions fans must be the best in the league given their support for a team like the old St. Louis Browns of the American League in baseball. That being said, the St. Louis Rams of 2007-2011 must rank among the worst ever for a 5 year period. Owner Stan Kroenke wondered why attendance was dwindling.. I really rnjoyed the XFL BattleHawks this past season in St. Louis. They were exciting.

I absolutely love videos like these, as a NFL fan this is just perfect. Please keep it up Perna🙏

Remembering both teams, I felt like Detroit was the better team. Cleveland had some close games but they also played some bad opponents, as strength of schedule showed, and even the less bad teams were riddled with injuries. Detroit gave up a few blodouts but they were also in a lot of close games if you take away those blowouts.

Wonder who the first 0-17 team will be

My man Brandon, Always coming at you with the Real Questions, Perna.

Thank you for not naming the Browns the worst team on the day Jim Brown's death was announced. RIP my sports God.

Great show, Brandon! I'm going to save this show to rewatch for when my team sucks so I can keep it all in perspective. Hopefully, they won't be this bad this year. Thanks for the laughs.

Oh, that playoff game the Browns won was on Steeler's field. That's what it was so big a deal. We won in Pissburgh for the first time in 17 years.

Lost in the matrix, Lions were 4-0 in preseason and coupled with the improvement the year before, ticket sales and smack talk was at all-time high. Then the season started. It was pathetically bad. Yeah, Browns can't even win this one. And don't forget, Dan "Kneecaps" Campbell was a Tight End on this team too.

Just heard. R.I.P Jim Brown. 🏈

Back when both of these teams are playoff bound with reasonable chance to end up in the Super Bowl

honestly dude the off-season is my fav time of year for your vids you never know what your gonna get. Also very random but i was watching a live of you and i find it so funny me and you discovered greta van fleet the exact same way, i was listening to music in the shower and safari song came on and i thought huh i haven’t heard this zeppelin song, stepped out and had to look. wonder how many others discovered them that way lol

I don't know which was worse, but the die-hard fans that stick with these 2 teams year after year, through thick and thin, prove they're the GOAT fans in football. We deserve back-to-back Browns-Lions Super Bowls with each winning one. You know, so that some of us can experience what it's like to watch our team win it before we die of old fuckin age.

A part of me felt bad for Deshone Kizer. I wish the dude could’ve had another shot somewhere else to prove some worth

Wow i didn't know Calvin Johnson was on that 0-16 lions team. Yal should be grateful that he didn't retire sooner.

I was actually in 2nd grade when the Lions went 0-16. I remember being excited a year later when the Lions beated the Redskins 19-14 in 2009. When Stafford got drafted in 2009, and played 16 full games in 2011 and went 10-6 that year, that made me happy. The worst game I will never forgot that year for the Lions was the 2013 year against the Bengals at Ford Field when the Lions kicker made a horrible punt, and the Bengals ended up kicking a winning field goal to win 27-24.

Q: Who does it again first? A: Hue Jackson

If these 2 teams had to face eachother, I'd say the Browns were worse

A notable thing about that Titans game in 08 against the Lions. It was a Thanksgiving game. I ran out of the house to go get something really quick. By the time i got back, the Lions were down 21 nothing and it was still the first quarter.

Jason Hanson was by far the most reliable player on the Detroit Lions of all time. You hated to see him come out because he came out all the time, but everyone knew he was virtually guaranteed to do his job. And he would kick for the Lions for 20 years.

Pictured: the season Bears fans expect for the Panthers for some reason

Nthaniel hacket amd who on the jets?

Loved the video!!

Very cool off season video idea!

Being the one team that gave the 1-31 Browns their only W in 2 years will forever haunt my dreams

As a Packers fan it brings me nothing but pain to know that the guy responsible for that Lions defense is somehow now responsible for ours

In my opinion, the Browns. At least the Lions got it right, by drafting Stafford. It actually gave us Lions fans hope. Seeing Stafford and Megatron gave us so much hope. We actually had a great shot at going to the playoffs, sometimes, and one time we did. Where the Browns. Fail draft pick after draft pick. Knowing we're going to have a losing season. Playoffs not in sight. Hands down the Browns were the worst.

“Say the line, Bart!” “Orlovsky safety” [uproarious cheering]

has to be the Lions… didn’t the Browns lose like 6 one possesion games?

Both are not so great but a lot of people pull for Detroit. They're just a huge underdog team that people feel sorry for. No one outside of Ohio gives a damn about Cleveland. And I mean no one

Outstanding show, thank you.

Lived around Detroit during their winless season, lived in Cleveland during their winless season. Good time had by all.

The funny thing is it’s 2024 and we still don’t know if Perna’s take on Hackett and Rodgers was right or wrong😂😭

Imagine if this is the Super Bowl this year 😂

I lost my job that year, house lost 30% of its value and the Lions did not help. “Detroit is a place where we’ve had it pretty tough. But there is a generosity here and a well of kindness that goes deep.” We will win in the end. ❤

Fantastic video 👏👏

Damn good episode Brandon

Dan Orlovski running scared out the back of the end zone from Jared Allen was priceless.

Motto for the city of Detroit is “Speramus Meliora, resurget cineribus”, which means we will hope for better things, it will rise from the ashes. Pretty much sums up Detroit, and it was coined by Fr Gabriel Richard in 1805.

"I'm not even mad, that's amazing" very aptly applied to the combined 1-31 Browns seasons