Liquid Race to World First Recap - Sepulcher of the First Ones 

No they won’t not until they get rid of max

@@charless2100 Based take

@@galantrus7333 I don't even care who wins but that's a cringe take. And calling it based is even worse. They won multiple world firsts with Max, and did it in raids in which a raid leader made an objectively bigger difference due to mechanics and raid design. Both Echo and Liquid are great guilds full of great dudes. And this tribalism shit is just tired and gross.

Cope :D

@@blackwomangamer2637 lol

Yeah especially if you consider the amount of infrastructure and support liquid has compared to echo ... How does echo do it? Crazy guys !

@@logicismight102 Think it has to do with momentum and going back to second place after that much time. That just broke them

Yeah, Scott is next level, cutting edge of cutting edge, I think it’s maybe because he’s Scottish. We (I’m from Scotland as well) are just total gods!. (I got banned from twitch for that comment on echo twitch stream, reason given-racism. Appeal: reason for appeal-was just joking that I was Scottish as well. Reply- Racism is never funny. Permanent ban). That annoyed me a bit if I’m being honest. I’m from EU and was supporting echo as well. F echos mods. Liquid for 10.0.

@@gregthomson2299 That's crazy how different EU perceives things, I saw your comment and chuckled, but I'm also US born and bred so considering that racist at all by showing pride in what you are is insane to me. I guess Racism in America is a lot more hate driven, and there's so much diversity in different ethnic backgrounds here that taking pride in your own people (Italian in my case) is just natural in America. Glad to hear your on board with liquid for 10.0, welcome to the stars and stripes good sir :)

Planetcracker beam nerf, boss health nerf and more consistent mote spawns (inconsistent spawns could make the fight really annoying since all the motes spawned from same part of the room) were added on march 12th. The mote spawn change might have been added even earlier. They killed the boss on march 14th. Think they were way more annoyed by anduin since it was grossly overtuned when they first got to it. After wasting several days on optimizing cds and comp they killed it within 24 hrs of the big nerfs that were added on march 17th.

HOLY COPIUM

@@depresion9587 Tribalism Andy spotted.

what;s your point there? health is more important i agree but this is up to them, to raid as much as they want to be the first. It has nothing to do with blizzard, if u feel exhausted dont compete to that, the idea of a month long ace is actually best and no the 1week trolls we got the past years..they need better "training" i'd say, and bigger roster, do u actually know how much they made having 30-50k viewers for 20 straight? fck the race, they made 10times more than the whole expansion lmao.

@@xasapak0s do you realize how many RWF guilds disbanded after this experience? Do you know how many splits they had to make to get WF? Just make a worldwide event out of it like The arena tournament where everyone starts at thr same time and on tournament realms where are all on the same point with ilvl and whatsoever. And blizz would not need to nerf the raids after that for 10 times

@@dugeron they wont make shit, not now not ever! RWF never was an official blizzard event, and longer race makes ppl MORE interested and back to the game. Blizzard couldnt care less if 3 guilds disbanded and they had a 15%increase in subs. As i said before, either get a bigger roster or prepaire better.

it definitely should be 20+ days seeing so many bosses getting wrecked on a mythic in a first week with not even sets and full gear is proof of how easy raiding is nowadays in the past you had raids that were cleared by THE END OF THE SEASON/PATCH but it was during how people love to say wow's glory days, also this is their job, this is no different than working as a programmer or designer 8-12 hours a day every day or working in a supermarket or as a worker on some building

Don't listen to these trolls man, you're absolutely right and I can all but guarantee you blizzard never makes a race last this long again.

Imagine completely missing the point he was making. He's said what he means by that multiple times. And I know you know what he meant by that. But you're too into the weird EU NA tribalism.

@@Kriddle1229 okay dude. i play on NA realms.. I never mentioned EU, i was actually talking about China. weird that you bring the EU NA tribalism into it bro?

It's not even just the distraction, 'cause having numerous hours of super happy haha joke fun time doesn't sound bad. The issue with Liquid, I feel, is that they have people just making noises for like minutes at a time just 'cause it's too light-hearted and it all piles on itself, and just being so...active and loud all the time tires out the Liquid players both physically and mentally. This definitely works out better with shorter races, since you still ride that jokey hype train the whole way to the end, but if it comes down to a war of attrition between the two best guilds in the world, Echo probably definitely had both more physical and mental energy left, since they were more composed throughout. The only issue is that Echo doesn't NEED to meme to win at all, so not only are they on equal footing with Liquid in shorter races, but they have an advantage over them in longer races. I dunno if Liquid will be able to introduce a sweeping culture change in the whole guild during RWF, but I think they definitely need to rein in some of the louder players and hunker down more...and I really hope they do, because they ARE a more fun of a guild (to watch and follow) than Echo, even though I like people from both and both guilds as a whole, and the way they bowed out of Sepulcher's RWF was just...deflating.

The real contributor to falling behind was losing hundreds of pulls to unkillable bosses (or, for lihivum, having to stop pulling entirely while blizz was deciding how they wanted the boss to be killed) that no other guild had to deal with. Over a short race that can be made up for, but with 5 end-boss difficulty encounters? No shot.

@@xYiazmatx Nah, I don't buy it. Liquid were almost a day ahead on Halondrus. They killed it around 17:00 on March 14th. Echo didn't kill until March 15th at around 13:00. It was the drastic strategic difference between Echo and Liquid on Lords of Dread and Rygelon that made the difference. I recall in fact Liquid saying that the boss was unkillable, and decided to bed down, only for Echo to 4 heal and punish them hard. The bosses weren't unkillable (as demonstrated), Echo just had the edge, partly because, in my opinion, they were more focused, and as Frawtarius mentioned, less drained. If anything, the waiting on Lihuvium gave them a slight reprieve. And actually, the culture that I mentioned before will have a more significant detrimental effect on the latter, harder bosses. Their raw mechanical skill will carry them on the earlier bosses, while the later ones require strategy and full focus on the objective in addition to that raw skill. In my opinion this is why they dropped off.

you couldn't be further from the truth.

@@hustl3bot ouch, wow, you got me with that logic man. With a reasoned argument like that I think I'll just tap out and agree with you!

T H E N F U C K O F F S O M E W H E R E E L S E.

Except in the last two raids they lost I guess?

Cringe.

This aged well

They would have if they didn't decide to put the welfare of the team first and go home. Its first or nothing. Maybe for lesser teams getting world 2nd, 3rd or 4th matters, but not to this group. Choosing everyone's sanity after living in a hotel for a month, and playing 16 hours a day was the right call. I have mad respect that they made that choice. The easy decision would have been to stay, burn out further and still not get first.

@@Kailaa3 still dogwater

I mean, he isn't wrong about the reset, having that boost of gear is fucking huge when racing it can be anywhere from 100-500 dps per player increase, mental health after playing for a month straight is also serious. I don't think it's an excuse. Even if they trolled abit on the earlier bosses doesn't mean that what said post race wasn't true.

Have you watched the video exposing him as a cheater? (pretending to do blind progress in ffxiv, while he was obviously watching guides and he was preparing tactics). Echo has way better players and supporting staff, but they were lacking organisation, which is something they copied from Limit. Limit/Liquit will always be the outsider even if they have half a day advantage. PS: I made a typo in "Liquit", but after careful thought I will keep it.

@@miko19r Just watched the video. Saw a whole lot of theories and speculation and opinions. Didn't see any facts/evidence. I don't even like Max, but I'd never pretend to treat that as anything other than a conspiracy theory. I'm in Germany and will always root for the dudes in Echo. But this tribalism stuff is just cringe and you're making us look bad. Grow up dude.

@@Kriddle1229 I'm not from Germany and I don't like any big guild. If you have played FFXIV you would have known that he cheated in those blind progress runs ( some of the strategies took months to evolve to be melee friendly but he discovered them in the 3rd pull?). Echo has better players and you have all of the facts on your hands, you just refuse to see it. I really don't understand the new trend, that we have to be politically correct on everything and have no opinion that makes others uncomfortable.

Bro this race was like no other wdym my guy

@@drotskillz312 its not, look bacl past mop see the amount of time end game bosess lasted, yes the player were worse but the bosses easier so proportionately its about equal yet they took months or not until the next expansion in one case, the races used to be like this every time but now players have no stamina no will to get it done. So dont say its a race like no other when i took part in several races for wf and each was very long race, just because not filmed publicly doesnt mean not happening

@@scrummpybear bro past mop you mean classic that ain't got nothing to do with this rwf wasn't aa big or really even a thing back then they weren't trying as hard or signed to esports teams

@@drotskillz312 too many kids lile you dont realise the amount of hours and how long the rwf has ACTUALLY been going.. i bet youve never even heard of of the cata dragonsoul race that had 4 teams compete hosted by athene, but sure the race didnt happen before preach started casting 🤣🤣 oh wait he used to take part in it for method 🤣🤣