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@towsifshahriarshovo
@towsifshahriarshovo 2 года назад
Stealth sound more detailed in sub bass, less fatiguing sound. But elex sound more punchy.
@tdmduc
@tdmduc 2 года назад
Your mics sound pretty clear to me 👌 Even the surroundings are detailed. (using my 1More H1707 Triple Driver over ear headphone)
@thegloriouspotato6223
@thegloriouspotato6223 Год назад
Definitely the most accurate representation of the Elex I've heard
@lukabosnjak3829
@lukabosnjak3829 Год назад
Agreed, Oluv knows his stuff...
@Malangsufi
@Malangsufi Год назад
I just wanted to thank you for all your amazing work. Please produce more content of such nature, I simply see no one doing this.
@muggleclone
@muggleclone 2 года назад
I have been trying to find out more about the stealth for a while now. this video really helps. Thanks.
@topspduk
@topspduk 2 года назад
I could definitely hear difference with the Utopia. I thought, wow. There seem to be more airiness, more richness in the sound, more like I was actually there. I don't know how else to describe. Just wow.
@AsreiMurasame
@AsreiMurasame 2 года назад
I noticed the same, there isn't a massive difference with the Utopia but you can still tell it has ever so slightly more depth, and a slight boost in the mid range like Oluv said. It's noticeable but without AB it wouldn't be noticeable for the majority of people. When I say it's slight it's SMALL just enough to be noticeable in those areas. The summary being if you want the absolute best Focal sound has to offer and you have a wide budget get the Utopia. If you want to enjoy the sound of Focal's headphones for a budget price buy the Elex. Just be warned as Oluv has said the drivers fail in the Elex. Mine had the same issue.
@fatdoi003
@fatdoi003 2 года назад
around 10:00... Utopia's drum and guitar have lots more texture... Elex sounds bit muffled in comparison
@Krishna-of1hv
@Krishna-of1hv 2 года назад
Great reviews Mr. Oluv's
@bacon_fat
@bacon_fat 2 года назад
The shape of [y]our head, and also ear shape, play a part in the frequency response as well -- the clamp force with relation to the distance of the driver to your ear canal. Everyone hears different, but having something for comparison helps a lot as it gives us a point of reference.
@DJ.1001
@DJ.1001 2 года назад
You found a working pair of Elex headphones congrats. They are probably the most un-reliable headphone over $100. I had two copies, both experienced driver clipping and atrocious headband creaking and wobbling.
@G-entleManAndScholar
@G-entleManAndScholar 2 года назад
Likewise for my 2 tries of the Utopia. Though, they sound fantastic. Narrow soundstage, but super enjoyable. Up to the point of clipping. Jude mentioned it in Focal’s full lineup. Zeos, on Utopia, as well. Hence, they have to played lower in volume, in comparison to other high end headphones.
@koffing2073
@koffing2073 2 года назад
its his third Elex because they all broke lol
@CptMark
@CptMark 2 года назад
@@koffing2073 It's his 4th. Focal QC is a joke.
@JamesWilliams-gf8gm
@JamesWilliams-gf8gm 2 года назад
Interesting. I have a first run pair and they have been rock solid.
@disco4535
@disco4535 2 года назад
I returned my Elex and kept my Aeon X Open, but I never had any quality issues after 3 weeks of use. I just much preferred the sound of the Aeon's. The Elex was just too thin and boring sounding. I have enough neutral, reference, boring headphones already.
@mysteriousstranger332
@mysteriousstranger332 2 года назад
Good as always
@direkrose8640
@direkrose8640 2 года назад
Hello OLUV the LYPERTEK TEVI has been upgraded, it is called Z3 and comes with EQ and LDX AUDIO mode(In app), do you know anything about the new Z3? I have your custom EARFUN FREE PRO and the new Z3 and I love them both!
@AyeYoYoYooo
@AyeYoYoYooo 2 года назад
What are the GENUS and SPECIES of the gorgeous variegated plant, behind the floral patchwork chair ?
@lth_lch
@lth_lch 2 года назад
Tonality was essentially the same between the Elex and the Utopia to my ears, but the Utopia had slightly better speed and texture across the board without crossing the line into sounding unnatural. Comparing the Elex and the Stealth was interesting. The Stealth bests the Elex in speed, separation, and spatial qualities, whereas I felt the Elex sounded much more natural and lively in its presentation. I think I'm just not really a fan of the planar sound presentation. They sound more detailed than dynamic driver headphones on the whole, but it sounds unnaturally crisp to me.
@koffing2073
@koffing2073 2 года назад
The utopia IS the Elex but for a different market, only difference is hand picked drivers and better earpads.
@towsifshahriarshovo
@towsifshahriarshovo 2 года назад
Yaa, I think he should check his hearing. Both utopia and stealth sound far better than the elex. Elex good for the price but not those level.
@koffing2073
@koffing2073 2 года назад
@@towsifshahriarshovo no, you are blinded by the price tag, this is why we need double blind testing
@towsifshahriarshovo
@towsifshahriarshovo 2 года назад
@@koffing2073 I did blind test, your hearing should be checked. I can hear sound even 18k range. I can easily find out which one is which even with my cheap headphones 😅😒
@alpinab14
@alpinab14 2 года назад
i wounder what your thoughts would be on audezee range of headphones
@tuan326
@tuan326 2 года назад
From your video we can only compare the sound signature of the 2 headphones. It's impossible to judge which one was more accurate because you didn't include the original soundtracks like you used to do.
@roverwaters3875
@roverwaters3875 2 года назад
There is no debate the Focal is more accurate than HD600 even without him measuring
@Shifter21000
@Shifter21000 2 года назад
Oratory Optimun Hifi curve, does the trick to me as well. If we take some smoother, almost there headphone to apply Optimum curve compensation, indeed it sounds great. Nothing sounds off
@Lucaat
@Lucaat 2 года назад
Listening on APM Elex image is better defined than hd600. Also less warm and gooey. Better treble snap on Elex. Stealth had good bass texture but otherwise kind of dark.
@busseat8396
@busseat8396 2 года назад
I like the colorization of the Dan Clarks.
@jerryjazzbo2845
@jerryjazzbo2845 Год назад
So do I. The supplied pads for fine tuning are unique. I use them on other phones as well if needed.
@SlutaLajja
@SlutaLajja 2 года назад
Please do a review of the Soundcore Liberty 3 Pro!! You’re the only reviewer we can trust!
@klaymoon1
@klaymoon1 5 месяцев назад
Your recording skill is at least a couple notches above anyone else!!
@marcoshyran3634
@marcoshyran3634 2 года назад
And then how are you? dude have any headphones that you think are better than the focal elex? I have a sundara 2020 and I like it a lot but I see you don't like it so much. Is elex your favorite headphone? What would your top 3 be?
@spronkey
@spronkey 2 года назад
Have you heard the Dan Clark Aeon Closed X from Drop at all? Interested in your opinions of those.
@watermelon1221
@watermelon1221 2 года назад
the dca sounds noticeably more closed in, but tonally, sounds great
@JTB--
@JTB-- 2 года назад
Focal Flex $700... Dan Clark Stealth $4 grand. There is a huge problem if the Stealth isn't sounding like the better headphone 🤷🏻
@volodymyrmotyka
@volodymyrmotyka 2 года назад
Вже 600)
@herseyberry4655
@herseyberry4655 2 года назад
The Law of Diminishing Returns ,the more you spend the increase in quality is less.
@johnyang799
@johnyang799 2 года назад
@@herseyberry4655 The issue is whether it is a improvement or not.
@JamesWilliams-gf8gm
@JamesWilliams-gf8gm 2 года назад
Good video and interesting. I also bought a number of “flagship” headphones and only kept the Elex and Grado PS500e with flat pad (Todd the vinyl junky pads)? All the more expensive headphones were not as good. The Grado PS500e is colored but fine. Kind of like a pair of horn speakes, worth a try for something different.
@john_5525
@john_5525 2 года назад
Hi Oluv have you listened to the newly updated software on the minirig 3's? the bass has been has been increased dramatically in terms of richness and deepness it's honestly a new speaker almost can't tell the difference between the minirgs with a sub and with out at low volumes. The bass sounds richer and deeper than the sub due to the sub being a little upper/mid bass heavy and too boomy.
@o-luv
@o-luv 2 года назад
yes, I already tried the beta some weeks ago and was stunned by the bass increase as well.
@supernova1976
@supernova1976 2 года назад
Your recordings are amazing , I always wandered something , would the recording of a great sounding headphone improve the sound of any other headphone ? Would the sound render differently compared to original track played on my own headphone ? My answer is yes. Appreciate your opinion.
@Florianski
@Florianski 2 года назад
Of course it would render differently but the quality doesnt just magically get better. You are always limited by your own headphone, even if you are listening to a recording of a sennheiser he-1.
@cristianitsirc6830
@cristianitsirc6830 2 года назад
I don't know, your recordings sound really really good.
@blejzerosamigos6115
@blejzerosamigos6115 Год назад
Hi thank you for the video. Have you ever try hd600 with OTL amp?
@IDrinkLava
@IDrinkLava 2 года назад
I think the problem that the industry is running into is that you just can't improve upon "neutral" sound. I had an experiment recently where I EQed and phase corrected the ~$5 Parts Express junk headphones to sound as close to perceptually-flat as possible using AudioCheck's test. Honestly, I could barely tell the difference between them and my ER4SRs tone-wise. People make such a big deal about driver technologies and metamaterials as if those somehow give headphones higher "pixel density" for soundwaves, but it's the completely wrong direction for the industry to be taking. We just end up with $4000 AKG K371s and $4000 Elexes that way. What we _really_ need is photogrammetry that can individually calibrate headphones to everyone's own ears like what Apple, Sony, and even Creative are working on.
@georgestephenopolous5508
@georgestephenopolous5508 2 года назад
What is the highest end headphone you've listened to? According to Sean Olive there is only a weak correlation between price and tonality, but if you equalized the cost of all headphones, how would you choose? Closest to Harman?
@IDrinkLava
@IDrinkLava 2 года назад
@@georgestephenopolous5508 Hifiman HE560 V1 based on MSRP ($899), Focal Elex based purely on sound quality. HE560 sounded much worse than the AKG K371 when I owned both. I also ended up selling the Elex because I barely heard any differences from my HD 580 Precision after getting fresh earpads for the 580, plus I feared the QC issues that plague Focal's lineup. I want my audio to sound as close to what I actually hear in real life as possible, so I guess I would choose any of the Etymotic Research line-up. I don't like the Harman Target because I feel it exaggerates the bass to "consumer-fi" levels and it makes the treble sound artificially sharpened, like the sharpen tool in Photoshop but for audio. Sennheiser HD 600 is close, but it still suffers from resonances from HRTF that need to be manually EQed out.
@nikolaygramchev
@nikolaygramchev 2 года назад
I do not understand why you want any phone to sound like reference!!!. Yes, HD600 and HD560s are reference, so all should be like these!? Sometimes, I need more bass and I get the CAL or E80 or HD25, sometimes I want more vocals and I get HD6XX or Focal Listen or Tin T2 and when I like to have it bright I go for Sundara, Arya, or detail - Xi-55, Arya, HD800s, DT1990 pro. When I need V-shape than DT770... And this is the beauty of the hobby. Getting fixed on one set or the reference target is limitation. Yes, you may EQ but you never get it authentic than or you do twists that you do not control. Get lossless sources like Tidal MQA or flac and switching sets will bring you more enjoyment. Of course, you need good dac like su-9 and a good amp like A-90. To wrap up, first it was the hype of the Sony 755, now it is the reference hype with Elex.
@IDrinkLava
@IDrinkLava 2 года назад
@@nikolaygramchev "Get lossless sources like Tidal MQA" LMAO MQA is a total scam
@nikolaygramchev
@nikolaygramchev 2 года назад
@@IDrinkLava hahahaha
@FM_MARCIANO
@FM_MARCIANO 2 года назад
focal elex 👽
@user-pu1iu7sc3y
@user-pu1iu7sc3y 2 года назад
If I were to spend my money then I’ll choose Elex.
@vincentmcgaw5828
@vincentmcgaw5828 Год назад
What is your playlist...love the music?
@PartyMusic775
@PartyMusic775 Год назад
I was working on something else listening in the background and your hand-clap appeared right next to my space heater, made me think the thing had popped some inner electronics! LOL. This really shows me something though. Some guy in his house can record better sound stage than studios? Someone is doing something wrong, we need more binaural recordings released for headphone users, we must be a decent 40% of the market!
@oluvsgadgets
@oluvsgadgets Год назад
Chesky records has lots of audiophile binaural music recordings
@john808welk
@john808welk 2 года назад
To me the Utopia just sounds a bit cleaner and wider, but honestly it makes me happy to hear that the Elex's sound soooo close.
@koffing2073
@koffing2073 2 года назад
placebo effect
@rustygates3367
@rustygates3367 Год назад
@@koffing2073 It measures much better than Elex. Also, why do you think you're going to hear the difference between the two headphones in terms of their technicalities through a RU-vid video and your own transducers?
@koffing2073
@koffing2073 Год назад
@@rustygates3367 Yes of-course you can't but I don't trust personal opinions either given how easy it is to manipulate our monkey brains with pricetags
@kiantat
@kiantat 2 года назад
SInce tonality of the headphones are so important to you, I'm really curious as to what you would think of the ZMF Auteur, since they are known to have the most "Neutral" frequency response out of all the high end headphones currently avaliable in the market. Maybe try them out if you have the chance? I am also interested it how close it would sound to a reference souce using your recording setup of that.
@gli7utubeo
@gli7utubeo 2 года назад
Get the Verite Closed.
@KytexEdits
@KytexEdits 2 года назад
The Auetur to me sounded gorgeous but they were really messy, the images were not distinct at all and it all blurred together horribly. It was like instead of making a beautiful painting the music turned into a bunch of feces smeared all over the canvas. I found the Aeolus to be the same. Laid back to the point of it being so messy that it was unlistenable.
@kiantat
@kiantat 2 года назад
@@KytexEdits Well the thing is while the Auteur is not as clear and detailed compared to other similarly priced options avaliable on the market, the tonality was the most "neutral" of any high end headphone right now, which seems to be oluv's main concern anyway. I mean we are talking about Oluv, who prefers his tuned earfun or an EQed Anker Soundcore Q30 tonailty, which both have much worse clarity or detail retrival over the elex just for their sound tonality...
@KytexEdits
@KytexEdits 2 года назад
@@kiantat I just don't see why he thinks tonality is the only thing that matters when often times headphones can have their tonality improved with EQ, but other aspects such as detail retrieval, soundstage, imaging, how analytical/laid back they are to name a few, cannot be changed. It just makes no sense to me.
@kiantat
@kiantat 2 года назад
@@KytexEdits There could be many reasons, be it what he looks out for, what music he listens to, or maybe just what simply sounds good to his ears. Remember audio is subjective, and you should only keep in mind that whatever his or anyone else preferences should be subjective. been following Oluv for a while, and it just seems that tonality is the main priority and everything other aspect comes second to him, and this may not apply to others. take another headphone reviewer for example, Z reviews. He has his own preference and often times what he thinks about can be contradicting to what many others think of it. At least Oluv seems to be consistent in his preference and taste.
@OldkidLivegen
@OldkidLivegen Год назад
I have listened to this on my Elex and everything sound identical except the transitions better Elex and DCA Stealth which has a lower frequency background noise compared to the Elex. Even if I don't agree with everything Oluv claims, we can both agree on how great the Elex is.
@sebguyader
@sebguyader 2 года назад
I'm sure you can find some good audio mastering studio in Vienna, in such a studio the room is well controlled and the speakers are a great quality.
@jamesmiller4487
@jamesmiller4487 2 года назад
Lots of comments about Elex quality - both from actual frustrated owners, and I would guess as well as from those who don’t own it but still enjoy throwing gasoline on a fire. I for one have been very happy with my Elex, having gotten in on the very first drop of these. So, as they say, YMMV.
@pyregazer9210
@pyregazer9210 2 года назад
I'm in the same boat; I think the people who had a failed driver are just very vocal about it.. and you can't really blame them tbf.
@jamesmiller4487
@jamesmiller4487 2 года назад
@@pyregazer9210 Absolutely right on both counts - unhappy customers are many, many times more likely to be vocal than happy customers, AND unhappy customers have every right to complain if their product fails. However, I think that it is fair to ask customers who have had a bad experience to also understand that not all customers have had bad experiences.
@pyregazer9210
@pyregazer9210 2 года назад
@@jamesmiller4487 I do think they had an issue with the drivers failing. I do wonder from my experience, how many of those were shorts in the crappy stock cables. I ordered aftermarket ones right off, but I still had a stock cable that got a short in it after only using it for a few weeks. It was only on one side. Makes me wonder.
@jamesmiller4487
@jamesmiller4487 2 года назад
@@pyregazer9210 I agree, there are Elex failures, no doubt! But there are Elex that do not fail as well. You could be right that it might be a cable issue - I also got a third party cable when I first received my Elex, so third party cables may contribute to fewer driver failures caused by shorts.
@felipejr2211
@felipejr2211 2 года назад
Could you make a video of how ORATORY EQ approaches the measurement of speakers monitors with the HD600?
@o-luv
@o-luv 2 года назад
I will for my Patrons, not here.
@gbrm6077
@gbrm6077 2 года назад
My Elex lasted about 9 hours before the right side quit. I treated them with kid gloves, even turning off the head amp before disconnecting them. I put Dekoni pads on my HD600s. Don't think I'd spend about $850 Canadian again for the Elex's even if they fixed the quality control. Not enough improvement for me.
@user-uc4ot3jv5g
@user-uc4ot3jv5g 2 года назад
Jus to be sure; you mean d right side lasted 9 hours after purchase??
@gbrm6077
@gbrm6077 2 года назад
@@user-uc4ot3jv5g Yes. There's been lots of complaints about the reliability of the Elexs
@user-uc4ot3jv5g
@user-uc4ot3jv5g 2 года назад
@@gbrm6077 wow…i thought they fixed it. Guess I will pass…TY
@gbrm6077
@gbrm6077 2 года назад
@@user-uc4ot3jv5g They may have. I bought mine about 8 months ago. Just didn't have much time to listen.
@rujutaamahesh1825
@rujutaamahesh1825 2 года назад
Hello ! I really have tried a lot of tws and haven’t been able to find a good Value for money one, specially a one with good spacious soundstage and good clarity and warmth to it. Please help me decide as i was planning to buy sony wf 1000xm3. Can u please tell me how it sounds. I really notice the minor differences that you talk about in your reviews and feel having similar ears like you. I tried ordering Earfun Free pro - Your edition, but they don’t ship to india. But the Fiil T1XS (which also has an app with equaliser) is available in india. Please suggest me between the Fiil and sony. Sony wf 1000xm3 is available at less than 110$ in india on sale. It would help me a lot as i have been looking to buy good earphones since last 1 year and not able to decide as the mainstream earphone sound crap to me.
@lukabosnjak3829
@lukabosnjak3829 2 года назад
Just buy the anker soundcore life q30 and apply his eq...
@JamesWilliams-gf8gm
@JamesWilliams-gf8gm 2 года назад
Not sure how prices are where you are at but as someone who has gone through a lot of headphones and chose the Elex I ended up with a pair of Revel 228be speakers. I also think you Should search out a pair of focal Sopra 2. Food for thought.
@kesamek8537
@kesamek8537 2 года назад
Seems like I would still prefer HD600 or Shure 1840 over these, great video thank you.
@KytexEdits
@KytexEdits 2 года назад
You can't judge a headphone through another headphone, if anything it speaks to what you think of your current one.
@fafolaw
@fafolaw 2 года назад
I don't know if it's because I'm listening to this with the Focal Clear, but the Elex sounds a lot better than the Dan Clark Stealth, it sounds more natural and enjoyable to me
@bigtee7560
@bigtee7560 2 года назад
soundcore liberty 3 pro. Are they worth the hype.
@malfunkt
@malfunkt 2 года назад
Oluv, did you compare the Utopia and Elex using binaural recordings? I found the Utopia was very dimensional using stereo music played through spatial DSP (Waves Abbey Road Studio). The Utopia is one of the best headphones I've owned for binaural. I still enjoy the Etymotic ER4SR, though they have a bit of grain to their sound they are still a reference for binaural material.
@oluvsgadgets
@oluvsgadgets 2 года назад
Yes I did, I found the Elex better than the Utopia especially if price is taken into account the Utopia has a 6k peak which my Elex doesn’t have. I liked the ER2SE more than the ER4 which indeed had grainy treble for me.
@malfunkt
@malfunkt 2 года назад
@@oluvsgadgets Thanks for your reply. I recently sold the Utopia. I get essentially the same level of enjoyment from cheaper IEMs that are at the sametime more convenient and comfortable. Love your objective approach and take on sound.
@oluvsgadgets
@oluvsgadgets 2 года назад
@@malfunkt have you tried my tuned Earfun Free Pro?
@malfunkt
@malfunkt 2 года назад
@@oluvsgadgets not as yet! Missed out on the last batch.
@tomdavis6371
@tomdavis6371 2 года назад
I don't understand this Oluv. I own the HD600 and the Elex but am listening to the LCD-2 at this moment. It doesn't seem to me that I am hearing what you are hearing. I like the sound of that Dan Clark headphone, but not the price tag. I own the DCA AEON Open X at a much cheaper price.
@lczp
@lczp 2 года назад
He is eqing the headhones to the same target, or at least EQing the 600 using the Optimum Hifi target. You can try it on the description link
@Reticuli
@Reticuli Год назад
The Elex and Stealth sound more alike through your binaural mics than the Elex and Utopia do, which is amazing considering the Stealth is a closed headphone. What other closed headphones would you recommend with such a capability?
@blaziken7673
@blaziken7673 9 месяцев назад
The difference is super obvious, Stealth really is just an another pair of closed headphones, claustrophobic and no air😔Thank you very much for the recording, a good recording is better than any review. I really hoped they would somehow be different to all other closed backs I have heard...
@alessandrodamico782
@alessandrodamico782 2 года назад
Was hältst du von der marshall acton?
@janh6501
@janh6501 2 года назад
Did you ever get the chance to try the Kii in your home? The Kii’s can work some magic but not tame excessive reverb. So, imo they would definately sound better in your room than in the shop. Even without the bxt module. But I’m probably biased as I own a pair:)
@lukabosnjak3829
@lukabosnjak3829 2 года назад
And, how is the kii?
@janh6501
@janh6501 2 года назад
@@lukabosnjak3829 I really like them. It’s a very revealing full range speaker and definitely not laid back like say Kef. The bass is incredible for a monitor speaker and very fast and tight. For instance it has no issues reproducing the low bass notes on Jame Blake’s Limit to your love. Also built in DSP takes care of a lot of acoustic issues in a normal living room like the bass boom and first reflections. Dutch & Dutch 8c is a comparable speaker. I had a chance to demo both. And liked them both but was able to get a pair of demo Kii’s. The BXT module adds an extra dimension to the Kii’s but more than doubles the price of the system. However, nowadays there are more “budget friendly” equipment options available to counter room acoustics.
@lukabosnjak3829
@lukabosnjak3829 2 года назад
@@janh6501 I don't think that they are worth the price, they sound impressive and out of this world but 18000€ for two studio monitors... You would really need to be a pro. Did you get the chance to compare it with some Vifa bluetooth speakers as they should maby sound similar to the Helsinki? Edit: Kef speakers are just for show, sound is crapy for the price imo...
@janh6501
@janh6501 2 года назад
@@lukabosnjak3829 I couldn’t disagree with you on that with the options available nowadays. And as with all high end audio, and make no mistake Kii is high end, there is the factor of diminishing returns. Like I said I was able to purchase a demo pair for a price I could justify and at the time nothing comparable was available except for the D&D 8C. I have not listened to the vifa bluetooth speakers (but have heard Bose, JBL, B&O and even Devialet Phantoms). And as good as they may sound it would be comparing apples to pears. They will not come close to the sound quality of the Kii. Even the Devialet Phantom bluetooth speaker is still not in the same league as the Kii. Kii have a bluetooth option but it doesnt sound as good as a direct feed from a good streamer.
@lukabosnjak3829
@lukabosnjak3829 2 года назад
@@janh6501 Have you heard the gold phantom (4500w version)? Others are a joke but gold is the only one which really has neutral sound profile with good precision... I would maby suggest you to try Vifa Helsinki or Stockholm 2.0 as they have better mids and treable than even the Gold Phantom and Helsinki is like some portable mini studio monitor although not that correct sounding. Really appreciated your answer as I like Kii three but will probably never even hear them. 🤑
@FVDaudio
@FVDaudio 2 года назад
The HD600 sounds very nice corrected just add a sub😋. The Elex sounds all around 😎. The Utopia a step above in details, etc but the lows not so much as the elex gain... The stealth well sounds a cleanest resolution but with a stereo widener effect just upper de mid-highs. Every of this examples sounds marvelous through my humbles blon bl03s.
@o-luv
@o-luv 2 года назад
you probably didn't get it: the HD600 was playing back the recording of the Elex.
@telebiopic
@telebiopic 2 года назад
I don’t know how so many people here can differentiate anything except bass body and bass extension levels between various headphones over RU-vid binaural audio (props for making the attempt Oluv). Based on my personal listening and ownership, there is a significant difference in detail, spacing and layering, speed and punch between Elex and Utopia. On many CD quality jazz recordings as well as most cinematic scores from Hans Zimmer you can appreciate the difference very discernibly. You can identify layers in percussion instruments, types of saxophones and cymbals in a rich orchestral symphony. You can even identify what is a real instrument recording Vs a sampled music instrument composition. The timbre of utopia is the best I have ever heard in any headphone…Even when compared to Hifiman susvara (that I don’t own but extensively demoed). Trick is knowing a particular aspect or detail in your fav tracks and comparing that across headphones. Obviously everyone has a different taste and even though HD800S is not everybody’s cup of tea, with a ~ 6-8db sub-bass boost through EQ, I love these cans. The way it uniquely handles music is always pleasant and sounds amazing to my ears… EQ is the trick when listening to non acoustic music for HD800S.
@edwinramos4910
@edwinramos4910 Год назад
You nailed it. Oluv seems to be forming conclusions about these headphones by comparing frequency responses...basically just listening to the tonality of each headphone. A $700 headphone like the Elex can be tuned to sound very similar to a $4,000 headphone like the Utopia. The real differences are in the technical abilities of each headphone. Things like macro and micro detail reproduction, macro and micro dynamics, sound staging, instrument separation and layering, and speed. In those aspects, the Elex is still good, but the Utopia is several leagues above it. He may also be limited by the rest of his gear.
@bstar777777
@bstar777777 Год назад
Have you spent a decent amount of time with the Elex? I agree that the youtube compression makes these tests pretty suspect as I can hear nuances in FLAC vs 320 mp3 encodings. Also, I'm curious why Oluv doesn't seem to believe in high quality dacs/amps. The Apple dongle is great for what it is, but I wouldn't use it for critical listening. I'm not sure that Oluv is wrong, but his quest for neutrality is in line for what I generally prefer so I like his analysis.
@shahkhan110
@shahkhan110 2 года назад
stealth is clearly superior, imo
@pulDag
@pulDag 4 месяца назад
As Oluv said, it would be really interesting to see what is a balanced sound for a few other enthusiasts. For me Stealth also sounds off with almost phase issues (probably the 6kHz peak). Either way enjoy your listening.
@Wootiify
@Wootiify 2 года назад
what song is that first song??? Jeff lorber?
@dkm
@dkm Год назад
Hey oluv, I don't know how thoroughly you tested the individual headphones, but the difference could lie in the drivers. Planar drivers are sensitive to other electrical disturbances like microphones in your ear. I've seen this happen in your other comparisons between planars and dynamics, especially on the rig. What you describe I believe fits the problems arising when having things interfering with the planar magnets/diaphragm. Could be a possible answer to why you experience such difference, even though other people say something different. Cheers.
@oluvsgadgets
@oluvsgadgets Год назад
No, I listened to the headphone pure and it sounded just atrocious. I cannot believe the hype around it, it’s just so bad and critical to positioning. Regarding other people and what they say: most of these get pay to say what they say. A major part of them doesn’t even know what they say.
@letsbefrank3
@letsbefrank3 2 года назад
Always interesting and such a breath of fresh air to find someone who doesn't believe the hype. I listened to this on Audeze LCD i3 with a lot of EQ as their tone is way off without it. I know you're not keen on them but with the Cipher cable and additional EQ they are very good to my ears. I could tell there was an increase in high frequency and 'space' on the Dan Clark and the Utopia, when compared to the Elex and I thought the drums and cymbals sounded more realistic, but you're right...it's fairly minor and perhaps not worth $3,300 dollars for a lot of people.
@edwinramos4910
@edwinramos4910 Год назад
Anyone who dabbles in the world of "HiFi" headphones quickly learns that diminishing returns are a fact of life. That being said, "listening" to expensive headphones over highly compressed streaming RU-vid videos does next to nothing to reveal what truly separates good headphones like the Elex from great headphones like the Utopia. For the most part, all you get to hear is the differences, or similarities, in frequency respone. In regards to tonality, a $700 headphone like the Elex can be tuned to sound very similar to a $4,000 headphone like the Utopia. The real differences are in the technical abilities of each headphone. Things like macro and micro detail reproduction, macro and micro dynamics, sound staging, instrument separation and layering, and speed. In those aspects, the Elex is still good, but the Utopia is several leagues above it.
@jetfightercn
@jetfightercn 2 года назад
Dan Clark Stealth is much better extended than Focal Elex, more clarity, resolution, and extension.. very interesting I like Dan Clark Stealth more IF not consider the price difference lol..
@mattgroening9300
@mattgroening9300 2 года назад
Can you revew beyerdynamic headphones? Dt 770, 990, 880, 1990 and other??
@hartyewh1
@hartyewh1 2 года назад
I have tested all recently and can say a few words. In my opinion the 770 is decent for the price, but there are very dry mids and sharp highs that make them pretty hard on my ears. 990 is much better in the sense that the highs are still bright, but don't hurt my ears. Then again they sound less contrasty, less separation and dynamics. The 880 is better then either of the others. They are as or even more pleasant to listen to then the 990, but more punchy as well. With EQ they might be my favourite sub 200€ headphone, but I need to test that more. (all 250ohm, apparently the lower ones sound messier and with EQ the 600ohm 880 is pretty hard to drive.) The 1990 has some amazing qualities that I wish many manufacturers would try to copy. So much clarity and contrast that many other good headphones sound like mush in comparison. The weaknesses are similar to the 770 that some mids or the textures of metal brushes on drums feel like my eardrums are being scratched. I really respect them, but can't listen to them. The Amiron's are the open version of the 1990 and much better, but require EQ. The T1.3 is absolutely horrible bass monster with almost no mids at all. Maybe EQ might help, but I think of them as 1000€ Beats headphones.
@mattgroening9300
@mattgroening9300 2 года назад
@@hartyewh1 thank you my friend! I have 770, and 990. I really love 990. 770 have more detailed sound, but also very poor bass, and uncomfortabely highs. I need a lot of time to get used to 770 after my 990.
@megazine
@megazine 2 года назад
Utopia did sound great and superior to the Elex but for the price, Elex held up incredibly. I own the Elex and is prob in my top 2 headphones I own. Now comparing the Elex to the Stealth, you my ears the Focal blows it away in this comparison. The Stealth treble seemed brighter while the Elex sounded more full and deep. Stealth seemed to have more detail.
@tradehut2782
@tradehut2782 2 года назад
I'm hearing more separation and clarity on the stealth when you switch from elex
@Mask242
@Mask242 2 года назад
I didnt ... Harsh
@thehighcontemplator2200
@thehighcontemplator2200 2 года назад
Same, Trade Hut. The Stealth has better spatial qualities, as well.
@teemuvesala9575
@teemuvesala9575 2 года назад
lol "separation" my ass. It sounded muddy trash to me. Elex sounded way better.
@markovlasic1978
@markovlasic1978 2 года назад
Little peaks at 6-7 khz.. nothing special. good low end. Focals are a bit darker but better.
@tradehut2782
@tradehut2782 2 года назад
@@teemuvesala9575 listen on a proper setup ..it's too obvious
@herseyberry4655
@herseyberry4655 2 года назад
The recording was done very well at 11.00 minutes I can hear a triangle lightly tapped in the right ear on my pad modded SHP 9500's.
@Alfredul03
@Alfredul03 2 года назад
Hi! I think that you should make your videos, mostly, in 1440 resolution, both image and sound would be fabulous. IMHO! 😉👌🏻📱🎧🎶🎵🎶
@sethagastya
@sethagastya 2 года назад
Can someone share the EQ settings he used for Q30? I bought them and even after a lot of tinkering, I can’t seem to get myself to like them…
@cuerex8580
@cuerex8580 2 года назад
it's important to have some kind of reference. i use my studio monitor the iLoud MTM which are neutrally flat room eq'd for reference.
@johns11
@johns11 2 года назад
Can anyone provide some justification of old iphone + dongle driving 300ohm headphones with full potential and without coloration?
@432HigherMind
@432HigherMind 2 года назад
You definitely wont drive any headphone from a iphone with a dongle to its fullest potential. But you can get a good sound depending on the efficiency of the headphone.
@johns11
@johns11 2 года назад
@@432HigherMind Oluv uses iphone+dongle most of the time for his headphone comparison. How could a 300ohm headphone sound even to 80% of its potential? Maybe only 60% of its potential compared to 100% via a proper dac+amp system. I'm seeking justification of comparison between a 300ohm headphone performing at 60% potential and an 80ohm headphone at full potential, leaving coloration alone.
@432HigherMind
@432HigherMind 2 года назад
@@johns11 i absolutely agree with your opinion. When i upgraded from a dongle dac to a real high end Dap the sound quality increased by a huge amount. Especially for harder to drive headphones or revealing ones. I got no idea how someone does not notice that difference.
@tollph3314
@tollph3314 2 года назад
its also highly depends on efficiency of every headphone not just resistence but i agree there is no no way objectively speaking that you will be able to power some headphones with apple dongle or straight from iphone .
@TheUrborg
@TheUrborg 2 года назад
Hast du vor die neuen Beyerdynamic Kopfhörer zu testen den DT 700 Pro X und den DT 900 Pro X? Und wäre bitte ein Frequenzgang möglich? Will you test the new headphone from Beyerdynamic? Could you graph them please?
@oluvsgadgets
@oluvsgadgets 2 года назад
Ich bekomm die Dinger nicht gratis geschenkt und einfach mal so bestellen interessiert mich nicht. Gibt sicher bald Messungen von anderen, aber schaut aus wie ein umgelabelter 770
@omarion2k
@omarion2k 2 года назад
I'm not an audio expert and even I can hear how much better the utopia sound, no idea how you think they sound the same maybe there is something wrong with your hearing. This made me want to get the utopia but I think they are kind of old now already so waiting for a new version.
@o-luv
@o-luv 2 года назад
they even measure the same, so I wonder what kind of differences you seem to hear.
@koffing2073
@koffing2073 2 года назад
@@o-luv placebo effect
@reuveng1960
@reuveng1960 2 года назад
The Placebo effect of pricy headphones...
@koffing2073
@koffing2073 2 года назад
the whole hifi market is based on this
@2m0ng032
@2m0ng032 2 года назад
Indeed
@ibmq9778
@ibmq9778 Год назад
what is the first track ? thanks !
@markyap2603
@markyap2603 2 года назад
The Focal Utopia sounds a bit wider than the Focal Elex. Elex sounds a bit more narrow. But aside from that, they are more or less the same. Definitely not worth $4000
@dannybeteran3358
@dannybeteran3358 2 года назад
Friend, how we can contact you???
@wilde77
@wilde77 2 года назад
Listening with my Focal Elegia I can hear a subtle difference but nothing that justifies such a difference in price. I watched most other reviews of the Stealth and I was under the impression they were better that the Stellia, which are well considered for a closed back. Now I’m not so sure anymore it’s worth investing more than I already have.
@nikolaygramchev
@nikolaygramchev 2 года назад
Yeee, the Elegia is great! Has the tightest bass of all Focals, the best presentation of vocals and great detail w/o sibilance or piercing highs. They do as if you are listening to good speakers. No driver flex (the most solid driver in Focal line). Many are considering them being the best closed back. And sound stage is bigger than Clear and Utopia.
@wilde77
@wilde77 2 года назад
@@nikolaygramchev are they considered better than the Stellia?
@Terra101
@Terra101 2 года назад
I see your pads on the HD 600's are pretty worn, maybe you should invest in a new pair of pads, they change the sound quite a bit when they are worn down. Also Sennheiser have a new supplier of their pads so they are a little bit different, better IMO.
@klaymoon1
@klaymoon1 5 месяцев назад
To my ears Utopia is a bit smoother and has a hair better rhythming. I believe once you use high end rig like $5k-10k for DAC and amp, you will start to hear a bit bigger difference. Also, to my ears, Stealth sounds good, but Elex sounds better and much cheaper, right?
@DenniS-zw1zm
@DenniS-zw1zm 2 года назад
I hope some day your own products will come out. Like an Bluetooth Speaker or an InEar. still try to find the Earfun free pro Oluv Edition no Chance :/
@omarion2k
@omarion2k 2 года назад
I thought the stealth would sound more "open" after seeing all the reviews, can hear the reverb pretty strongly. I want to get a new closed back but for under 1k, for 4k I would only get an open back.
@jari121
@jari121 2 года назад
Dan Clark Stealth has a much more detailed midrange, treble and bass. The bass is deeper, punchier and more controlled. The biggest difference is the soundstage. Focal Elex's soundstage is flat. DC Stealth’s soundstage is wide and deep. Frequency response is not the only basis for good sound.
@kyron42
@kyron42 2 года назад
Elex sounds so close to the Utopia it's not worth spending the extra money to get to Utopia unless you have your own private jet.
@hazerslife4624
@hazerslife4624 2 года назад
You should review the Sanag Bluetooth speaker 🔊👋😌
@falcodarkzz
@falcodarkzz Месяц назад
I did have both, and as much as my bias wanted me to like the Elex more or the same, the Utopia is just much better. It isn't close and I can clearly here extra detail and a better timbre on the Utopia.
@oluvsgadgets
@oluvsgadgets Месяц назад
Actually they sound close to identical, and measure nearly the same with just some slight differences
@falcodarkzz
@falcodarkzz Месяц назад
@@oluvsgadgets idk why some of you are in this hobby with that hearing lol
@oluvsgadgets
@oluvsgadgets Месяц назад
@@falcodarkzzthere were differences but both sound off anyhow. Nowhere close to a natural response. Therefore it’s funny you think your hearing is so great, because in reality both are crap rofl Maybe you should check your hearing first? 😈
@falcodarkzz
@falcodarkzz Месяц назад
@@oluvsgadgets yeah im sorry that was rude. But I can hear much more detail on Utopia, its just very obvious to my ears. And its a noticeably different timbre and sound character. Ive since sold my utopia and am happy with elex but there is no doubt they sound v different
@oluvsgadgets
@oluvsgadgets Месяц назад
@@falcodarkzzI had both, I measured both and to me the Elex had more derail although they measured pretty much the same. But every tiny bit will influence the sound like pads etc, the Utopia with Elex pads sounded horrible. In the end you could equalise both to sound exactly the same, or take a cheaper headphone and get an even better sound when equalised properly
@truth-uncensored2426
@truth-uncensored2426 2 года назад
I see people saying that the Dan Clark was more detailed than the Elex but that's was not my impression, listen to the muffled drum cymbals at 16:41 and then compare the same muffled cymbals with the Dan Clark. For me the resolution and transparency of the Elex is better, at least in this demo and with my headphones.
@mattmiller2761
@mattmiller2761 2 года назад
First track sounds like Jeff Lorber?
@leaguefixesyourmatches8259
@leaguefixesyourmatches8259 2 года назад
We need to start a gofundeme for room treatment for you and the store owner. Its' FREE for you guys. I'm sure we will all gladly donate.
@leaguefixesyourmatches8259
@leaguefixesyourmatches8259 2 года назад
and a computer for oluv.
@net_news
@net_news 2 года назад
iluv oluv!
@bstar777777
@bstar777777 Год назад
Based on these recordings it seems like you really hit the point of diminishing returns with the Elex.
@danrdey
@danrdey 2 года назад
Elex sounds here more correct , natural , pleasent and resolving . Nothing to add , but Stealth sounds here sibilant , picky , wrong in lower treble and compressed , however , due to twisted psychoacoustics has more width and stage , still overall wrong and unnatural .
@vkvedam
@vkvedam 2 года назад
Stealth is pretty good, impressive! A bit surprised you finding them coloured but hey ho sound is subjective! Looks like you are not a big fan or admirer of Harman Target :-)
@oluvsgadgets
@oluvsgadgets 2 года назад
They are colored as hell and sound horrible, let alone the price, what a fraud
@deadline7610
@deadline7610 2 года назад
In many videos oluv prefers the earfun free pro over Any other head phone right now. I'm not sure why he'll continue making videos before his headphone comes out :) I'll give him a year. It's easy to criticize others. Best of luck.
@teemuvesala9575
@teemuvesala9575 2 года назад
To my ear Elex is way better than Stealth, listening through HD 650.
@shadouxg7150
@shadouxg7150 2 года назад
Whaaaaaat?
@ebbac
@ebbac 2 года назад
Olaf, pls dont try in this shop. If you can barrow 3-4 headphones each time and try in your room, this will be reference for everyone to compare with your previous vids. Personally, i would like see high end open back headphones comparison each other and another comparison for closed back headphones each other as well.
@towsifshahriarshovo
@towsifshahriarshovo 2 года назад
To my ear utopia and elex are sound quite different in mid and high frequency. People's hearing always matters. Flagship vs budgets 😂.
@oluvsgadgets
@oluvsgadgets 2 года назад
I could play them blind and you wouldn't notice which is which.
@towsifshahriarshovo
@towsifshahriarshovo 2 года назад
@@oluvsgadgets I tried blind, little bit difficult but I can find out which one elex and utopia even with my cheap headphones. But they are not $3000 difference. Same thing happened when my brother gave me a blind test between Flac and 320kbps I instantly find out and he became shocked.
@teemuvesala9575
@teemuvesala9575 2 года назад
@@oluvsgadgets There's ever so slight difference, but nothing major. I think it was the "smoothness" you mentioned, in some situations the difference was there if you really paid attention, but other times it was next to impossible to tell them apart.
@garygriffiths7353
@garygriffiths7353 2 года назад
I think I preferred the elex but not much in it
@gehtnurdurch
@gehtnurdurch 2 года назад
Utopia sounds like lifting another blanket away, across the frequency spectrum. But Stealth sounds super muffled with spikes in the highs.
@zeromy88
@zeromy88 6 месяцев назад
verwendest du die elex noch und bist du immer noch so begeistert? 500€ ist eine menge geld für mich und habe "angst" das ich einen erwische der mir nach kurzer zeit defekt wird. danke
@oluvsgadgets
@oluvsgadgets 6 месяцев назад
Mein zweiter ist nun auch kaputt, eine Seite ausgefallen. Gibt im Netz Anleitungen wie man es selbst reparieren kann, ist aber ziemliche fummlerei
@mattgroening9300
@mattgroening9300 2 года назад
I want elex.
@kyron42
@kyron42 2 года назад
Put a cooling fan and under your laptop.
@PKAWA
@PKAWA 2 года назад
Interesting, I've heard the Elex myself a few hours and was able to ab them against my K702's. I greatly prefer my own modded AKG K702's. From your video it's obvious that the cymbals in the music are better defined on the stealth.
@oluvsgadgets
@oluvsgadgets 2 года назад
This explains how you may even like the K702 haha
@PKAWA
@PKAWA 2 года назад
​@@oluvsgadgets What does? I did the bass mod to them, made them balanced with a 4 pin mini xlr and added a passive filter from diyheaven. Added sheepskin perforated pads, and now they sound phenomenal on a Topping DX7 pro.
@harnoorsingh2866
@harnoorsingh2866 2 года назад
Review stax l700 mk2, Hifiman He1000 V2, Byerdynamic 1990 pro, Abyss 1266 and Abyss Diana V2
@jetfightercn
@jetfightercn 2 года назад
base of Focal Utopia is far better extended, it was very clear to me. not sure it worth 3000 plus euro though... lol..
@loki76
@loki76 2 года назад
The focal sounded more rounded and laid-back compared to the Dan Stealth with a more v shaped sound with deeper lower end and higher peaks, making it sound like it has more range and wider sound stage. I kind of liked the "stealth" ones, a lot more detail seemed to be present. Letting you hear more clear in the upper as well. The focal sounds good, neither is really bad IMO. The Focal could be more relaxing though and the stealth perhaps more tiring after a while.. Would really have to hear them myself without the "coloring" of my own headphones of the sound.
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