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Liszt - Valses oubliées, S215 (Filipec) 

Andrei Cristian Anghel
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Liszt wrote some delightful waltzes when he was in his twenties and early thirties-Valse de bravoure, Valse mélancolique, Valse-Impromptu-and then more or less abandoned dance forms for forty years. So it has long been assumed that the four Valses oubliées which he produced in his seventies were inspired by some kind of nostalgia for his carefree youth. Although the title (‘Forgotten Waltzes’) seems to confirm that assumption and although there is the occasional sentimental episode, the Valses oubliées are actually not so much nostalgic as ironic. Obviously, they do not display the demonic attitude of the Mephisto Waltzes but they all have something sardonic about them.
The most popular of them, the first, is characterized by the impish rhythms in the opening bars, the pressure put on the initially charming main theme, the feverishly glittering second theme in high right-hand octaves, the inconclusive ending and its infusion with more than a hint of discontent. Following on, the second waltz begins jauntily, the mood varying throughout, from high-spirited to reflective, in an almost schizophrenic fashion. The third, similar in mood to the second, is stunning with its almost impressionistic colourings and repeated chords; the fourth, became almost permanently ‘oubliée’ and the first publication was not until 1954. Like many of the visionary pieces of Liszt’s last years, the ending is enigmatic: a beautiful irresolution of a striving dominant seventh over the immovable keynote. Finally, the unfinished Petite Valse S695e, was written some time between the composition of the third and the fourth Valses oubliées, since it is described as a pendant to the three waltzes; it may have originally been intended as a fifth Valse oubliée, hence its inclusion here. The piece is of that other-worldly nostalgic beauty unique to the gentler works of Liszt's old age, and is quite haunting. Consisting of 101 bars of music, and a final change of key signature indicating a return to earlier material, Howard completed the work by adding twenty-five bars, twenty of which are entirely Liszt's, and the last five bars containing the vanishing spectre of the previous phrase, in imitation of a passage in the Troisième Valse oubliée.
Filipec:
00:00 - Valse oubliée No 1
02:44 - Valse oubliée No 2
08:49 - Valse oubliée No 3
13:24 - Valse oubliée No 4
Howard:
16:41 - Petite Valse S695e (may have originally been intended as a fifth Valse oubliée)

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Комментарии : 96   
@SCRIABINIST
@SCRIABINIST 2 года назад
The harmonies are incredible as with all Liszt
@auroresad21
@auroresad21 4 года назад
Liszt toujours surprenant, ces valses sont un plaisir à écouter jouées par l' excellent Goran Filipec
@Felix_Li_En
@Felix_Li_En 4 года назад
Liszt's impressionistic period ! That must influenced Debussy and Ravel quite much ! 😄
@aramkhachaturian8043
@aramkhachaturian8043 3 года назад
It is like we are listening to a totally new composer!
@bag3lmonst3r72
@bag3lmonst3r72 3 года назад
I don't know man, the first waltz sounds pretty Lisztian-Romantic to me
@TheModicaLiszt
@TheModicaLiszt 3 года назад
@@bag3lmonst3r72 You are wrong. Deal with it.
@bag3lmonst3r72
@bag3lmonst3r72 3 года назад
@@TheModicaLiszt Go shove your condescending attitude where the sun doesn't shine, pal. I'm entitled to my opinion. Deal with it. 😎
@TheModicaLiszt
@TheModicaLiszt 3 года назад
@@bag3lmonst3r72 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-d_CGVUcvYQs.html This is “Lisztian-Romantic”. These pieces are an irony of the form, with impressionist/modern colourings of harmony. Your comment is like saying, ‘This forward-thinking Beethoven Pathetique Sonata sounds soooo Beethoven-classical’, when in fact it is edging strongly into Romanticism. You’re entitled to have this opinion, but the facts are different.
@DanielCharry1025
@DanielCharry1025 4 года назад
Oh my gosh the fourth one (13:24) is truly divine. This is the first time i've heard it, and i am surprised that it looks easy on the score.
@aardigrade
@aardigrade 3 года назад
It reminds me very heavily of his 3rd Mephisto Waltz
@Mazeppa6
@Mazeppa6 3 года назад
This side of Liszt never fails to comfort me
@guadalajara4848
@guadalajara4848 2 года назад
Maintenant que je le connais un peu plus, je me rends compte que Liszt est à la racine de presque tous les courants de la musique moderne : inspirateur des inventions orchestrales et harmoniques de Wagner et de toute la tradition romantique qui en procède, inventeur du poème symphonique, de la forme cyclique, précurseur de l'impressionnisme au piano, des recherches modales de Bartok et de l'aventure atonale. C'est énorme pour un seul homme !
@FreeTheJambon
@FreeTheJambon 2 года назад
En effet
@potato4903
@potato4903 Год назад
Exactement
@user-fu7zf4ck9z
@user-fu7zf4ck9z Год назад
Honestly, these are the greatest waltzes ever written
@yes-fq6jd
@yes-fq6jd 4 года назад
Waltz no. 2 must be the most Impressionistic waltz out there. Ahead of its time, too.
@MikeyOnKeys
@MikeyOnKeys 4 года назад
wow, Liszt doesn’t just write nearly impossible music! I like this style. I like Liszt overall but this is awesome.
@TheModicaLiszt
@TheModicaLiszt 4 года назад
Keep coming back to this video Andrei - as soon as Liszt finished the first Valzer, I’m sure he knew he was onto something amazing and magical, almost numinous!
@parkmusic98
@parkmusic98 4 года назад
15:43 So warm 7th/9th chords...
@ytyt3922
@ytyt3922 4 года назад
The first one is so popular because it’s one of the few Liszt pieces that’s actually playable for an average amateur pianist
@yes-fq6jd
@yes-fq6jd 4 года назад
It is also a sweet, short piece that does not challenge the listener as much as Liszt's other works.
@mogret7451
@mogret7451 2 года назад
@@fredericchopin7538 Henle give it a difficulty rating of 7 out of 9. Liszt have many simpler pieces, check out the book Twenty-one Short Piano Pieces by ABRSM Signature.
@SCRIABINIST
@SCRIABINIST 2 года назад
It's definitely not an amateur piece. Obviously it isn't crazy advanced, but it's advanced enough.
@user-lj1sc9bs4t
@user-lj1sc9bs4t Год назад
普通にコンクールに採用しても良いレベルです
@christofeles63
@christofeles63 4 года назад
Thank you for your invaluable contribution to the dissemination of Liszt's prodigious musical output! Endlessly fascinating stuff. Your notes are most helpful as well.
4 года назад
Quelle interprétation ! Il aurait été fier ou heureux. Merci.
@szilike_10
@szilike_10 Год назад
11:18 Such a magical moment, like a fairy tail. Out of nowhere some beauty after all the tension. So gorgeous.
@MasmorraAoE
@MasmorraAoE Год назад
At 1:50 I could swear I was listening to Scriabin!!
@eddieandmaxie
@eddieandmaxie День назад
Sounds like his 4th sonata and it’s also in the same key too, so Scriabin most likely took inspiration from this!
@rsha_norkb
@rsha_norkb Год назад
these pieces are so fascinating
@gergelykiss
@gergelykiss 2 года назад
I think these are some of Liszt's finest miniatures. I think Stravinsky's opinion about the Grosse Fuge applies to this music as well, these waltzes too are "forever contemporary." The performance is lovely of course. However there are indications that Filipec overshot the tempo in a few places. For example in No.2 4:35 (and in later corresponding passages) you can't hear a distinction between the sixteenth and eight note motifs. In No.3 10:54 the repeated octaves in eighths become quarter notes. Maybe Filipec used a different edition where it is actually written as quarter notes, I don't know... but I have always heard those played with repeated eighth notes.
@none5020
@none5020 2 года назад
Glad to see I'm not the only one that noticed, on the octaves part I'm sure it was personal choice but for No. 2 I wonder if it was at all intentional.
@fritzilcelta
@fritzilcelta 3 года назад
Life and Death, the spirit, the Ghost, that "something else" lays beyond our dreams...
@StephenGottPianist
@StephenGottPianist Год назад
Thanks for including Dr Howard's performance at the end. I think I might learn these walzes next they are seldom performed in public.
@Sujkhgfrwqqnvf
@Sujkhgfrwqqnvf 2 года назад
2:09 the harmony starting at bar 184 is so captivating... Though after all, I think that it's nothing more than a damn dominant!
@Ricardo7250
@Ricardo7250 2 года назад
It's an E# chord with 7 and #11 (right hand plays the major third of E#) while the bass maintains the F# tonic pedal
@user-dk9to8lr2s
@user-dk9to8lr2s 3 года назад
I like No.2🥰
@GICM
@GICM 2 года назад
very charming!
@claudioparrella183
@claudioparrella183 Год назад
Grande interpretazione
@Mushikuchi
@Mushikuchi 4 года назад
Hi, I wonder if I could get the sheets for the last piece Petite Valse S695e? Also I’ve subcribed to your channel for a time now and I just wanna say thank you for having introduced me to so many magnificent pieces (that are little known by most people)
@AndreiAnghelLiszt
@AndreiAnghelLiszt 4 года назад
Sure thing, drop me an email at the email address in my channel description.
@hugomezzasalma2649
@hugomezzasalma2649 4 года назад
@@AndreiAnghelLiszt Hello, thank you for this discovery ! Can I get also the sheet for the last one please ?
@jerry_moo
@jerry_moo 3 года назад
No. 2 has an unexpectedly very typical late 19th century (Belle Époque) salon-like feel to it. Charming, but it's a sound that I wouldn't expect from Liszt.
@DottoreSM
@DottoreSM Год назад
doesn't sound like it to me at all.
@user-ru8vy1uz7c
@user-ru8vy1uz7c 4 года назад
Bravo
@Latinosmassacre-
@Latinosmassacre- Год назад
9:11 9:20 !!! omgg so beautiful
@cancrelat
@cancrelat 2 месяца назад
1:50 precursor of scriabin
@marcalexandrefontenay9801
@marcalexandrefontenay9801 3 года назад
Ces valses ne sont pas que des pièces de salon d’ailleurs fort inaccessibles pour la plupart des pianistes mais de véritables pépite pianistique et préfigure le piano du XX s .
@kanjuro8926
@kanjuro8926 2 года назад
Scriabin didn't forget
@Latinosmassacre-
@Latinosmassacre- Год назад
what do you mean
@snorefest1621
@snorefest1621 Год назад
@@Latinosmassacre- get it? Scriabin got inspired by this possible, which is an ironic departure from this piece's title
@Latinosmassacre-
@Latinosmassacre- Год назад
@@snorefest1621 Oh!
@fulviopolce9785
@fulviopolce9785 2 года назад
Espressione di un prodigio naturale.
@charlottewhyte9804
@charlottewhyte9804 Месяц назад
no 1 in a minor is my number 1 is my favourite indeed
@yes-fq6jd
@yes-fq6jd 4 года назад
1:00 Sounds so familiar... This must be it!
@CameronGuarino
@CameronGuarino 3 года назад
does 1:50 remind anyone else of scriabins 4th sonata?
@ValzainLumivix
@ValzainLumivix 3 года назад
Yes.
@TheModicaLiszt
@TheModicaLiszt 2 года назад
@@ValzainLumivix Alas.
@pleasecontactme4274
@pleasecontactme4274 4 года назад
i love the first one edit: no i love all of them now XD
@ValzainLumivix
@ValzainLumivix 3 года назад
Lel
@preutbao833
@preutbao833 3 года назад
ok no.2 is pretty epic,... but nobody is gonna talk about the third one?
@TheModicaLiszt
@TheModicaLiszt 3 года назад
They are all pretty epic h
@dacoconutnut9503
@dacoconutnut9503 3 года назад
For me it reminded a bit of Mephisto Waltz No. 3 (and maybe, just maybe, Maurice Ravel might've stolen that chordal 'quaver+minim' idea in the middle for his set of Valses Nobles Et Sentimentales)
@CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji
@CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji 5 месяцев назад
Popular opinion but I like the first the most.
@VaggosWho
@VaggosWho 2 года назад
If you think that Petite Valse, is easy try it to play without listen first!
@Not_thinking_about_anything
@Not_thinking_about_anything 3 года назад
4:11
@GreenTea4
@GreenTea4 Год назад
14:03 that Is very satisfying
@thevanguard4462
@thevanguard4462 4 года назад
7:18
@CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji
@CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji 5 месяцев назад
15:47 the pedals haha
@xynthesya
@xynthesya 7 месяцев назад
9:07
@charlottewhyte9804
@charlottewhyte9804 Месяц назад
no 5haunting never knew there was a 5
@kyleglennon5336
@kyleglennon5336 2 года назад
Scott Joplin opening
@frederikkok9284
@frederikkok9284 2 года назад
the unfinished fifth seems guite finished to me.
@JimSmithOfficial
@JimSmithOfficial Год назад
It was finished by Leslie Howard.
@hippere
@hippere Год назад
This piece is cantabile, the virtuosims give to trash some pieces
@WEEBLLOM
@WEEBLLOM Год назад
What
@TempodiPiano
@TempodiPiano 3 года назад
A desappointing Liszt.
@segmentsAndCurves
@segmentsAndCurves 2 года назад
elaborate?
@TempodiPiano
@TempodiPiano 2 года назад
@@segmentsAndCurves Les mêmes formules d'une valse à l'autre, où Liszt se caricature.
@user-fu7zf4ck9z
@user-fu7zf4ck9z 2 года назад
There simply isn’t a disappointing piece Liszt wrote in the 1860s-1880s if you ask me
@claudioparrella183
@claudioparrella183 Год назад
non capisci niente
@kasajizo8963
@kasajizo8963 Год назад
Are your ears stuck up your ass?
@aramkhachaturian8043
@aramkhachaturian8043 Год назад
7:35
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