LIVE! Karen Read Trial Day 20: Is The State Really Not Going To Call Trooper Michael Proctor? 

As an ER Nurse, I am 1000000% with you on this Peter. I literally screamed out loud… Since when did cops become medical professionals who can diagnose and connect injuries to cause of death! Ummmm no sir! Even a doctor cannot make these calls without imaging and it’s still attached to differential diagnoses. So frustrating!!

The fact that the judge allowed this officer to testify about Johns medical state is ridiculous. I hope they see through him they way most of us can

Peter, I'm a veterinarian, not an attorney, no legal training whatsoever,and I was shocked and annoyed at the former Marine's medical opinions being allowed at all.

Who thinks Lally is not only trying to keep from putting Proctor on the stand, but the medical examiner too.

As an actual medical provider, this trooper’s “expert” and inaccurate medical testimony was infuriating. Those were not abrasions on his arm, they were mostly lacerations and possibly a few punctures.

I was a bartender for 15 years. In several different environments. A $10 Tito's and water/seltzer is a standard price. I think, because of my expertise (lol) she ordered Seltzer (and lime very common) to pace herself between drinks. When you arent a beer drinker, liquor moves quickly. So having your mixer and adding vodka (or whatever) periodically, helps you pace yourself in a party like setting. Specifically to keep yourself from getting hammered super fast. I feel even more strongly about it because of the type of straw she had. Regular straws in a bar are ALWAYS for non alcoholic beverages, and stir straws for alcohol. Its actually code in a lot of establishments, especially during busy hours, so the bartender can keep an eye on what people are consuming so you dont over serve. All of this is EXTREMELY common. Like dozens of times a SHIFT in a bar or restaurant with a full bar. They potentially were comfortable with her adding the liquor to her beverage herself, if she was a familiar regular customer that the bartender knew.

I worked in a jail as a nurse years ago. There is a good ole boy code that exists. I was a part of it for years. They are going to back each other up come hell or high water. If they don't, you are breaking the bro code. That's my opinion on some parts of this case. I am having a lot of issues with this case. Seeing her car back into Johns car makes me think, If she was being charged for backing into that car, they would have used that ring bell camera as evidence, stating there was damage . But in this case they are saying, oh no...there was no damage...wth! That bothers me. I'm still waiting for the states smoking gun. I don't want to say she's guilty or innocent yet. But if I was a juror watching this clown show, At this point I would be frustrated because this case shouldn't have been tried in the 1st place, based on the evidence that the state has brought forward so far. I believe the Defense is making a better case so far. They actually make sense to me! I know the case isn't over... So I will wait as patiently as I can! I enjoyed this episode! Thanks again LYK!

It just amazes me how many people are willing to lie under oath.

We need medical examiner.. and autopsy...and PROCTOR!

He said she had seven drinks but the receipt said two

The police go to her parents house to pick up the SUV. Trooper Yuri said today that he noticed damage to the passenger side tail light and he asked Trooper Proctor to confirm he saw the same damage. I don't know the procedures or protocols, but given your training and experience, why did they not take any close up photos of the damage before anyone went near it or why not call the crime scene people and secure some solid evidence before the car was towed? Even in the Sally port the was no close up photos.

You missed a very crucial last question by Defense on the witness who put the pieces together. There’s a piece missing after it was all put back together.

***IMPORTANT*** Big glitch during garage closure. You can also see at the end of the video in the Sallyport where there is a glitch of time looking at the three people at the back of Karen’s car. The guy at the front of the video disappears as well. The blue numbers for the second counter are off as well at the same time between 53 and 54. You can see the cut even in the seconds. During the glitch. The seconds continue after the glitch and jump again from 1 to 8 seconds then the video ends. Very suspicious. 🤨 ⁠This is a mirror video. So the tow truck driver pulled the car in, got out with his phone, almost ate shit at the front of the car, then took a photo of the license plate then the VIN to document the delivery. Left. 4 people suspiciously hanging around broken tail light on other side then one of them comes over and shakes someone’s hand (or hands something off) then hugs them. The rest come over one by one and shake hands. Total of 7 people in the sally port at this point. Door closes with huge glitch on video at that time and only 4 people left. 🧐

If the prosecution only called a limited number of witnesses, I would buy the "team effort" explanation. But since they called everyone and their brother to only not call the lead investigator would be a little suspicious to me.

If they don’t call Proctor they may just as well admit that Read is right, it is a cover up.

I don't have any personal animus toward Lally but he's absolutely horrible as a trial attorney. He doesn't belong in front of a jury presenting a case or questioning witnesses. Somebody needs to slap some sense into him. But as far as the prosecution's theory of the case, I just don't get what they think happened. John O'Keefe exits Karen's vehicle to go into the Albert's house but just stands there in the freezing snow as Karen begins to drive away, watches her as she stops the car 60 feet up the road, continues to stand there as Karen puts the car in reverse, and then stands there as Karen accelerates in reverse right towards him and hits him 12 feet into the Albert's yard? Makes no sense. And then no one at the Albert's saw or heard anything? It strains credulity. Some people think it also strains credulity to believe that all of these people could be in on such a big conspiracy and cover-up but really, you don't need everyone to be in on it for there to be a conspiracy and cover-up and even among those who are lying and part of the cover-up, some would only need to stretch the truth or play a small role to forward the Common Wealth's narrative. It's possible that John O'Keefe went into the house and down to the basement and only a few people at the Albert's actually saw him there. Brian Albert, Brian Higgins, Matt and Jen McCabe, and Colin Albert (potentially), and that's it. The others could have been dancing in the living room or doing whatever and never saw John O'Keefe there. They may be stretching the truth but only because they themselves have been duped into believing Karen Read did it or perhaps they're protecting their good friends. And they're afraid of Brian Albert. Other than that, it'd just require Trooper Proctor and Trooper Buchanic to help facilitate the rest. And cops have a code, especially in a town like Canton. Doesn't seem far-fetched to me at all that these people would cover for each other or even manipulate evidence to point to Karen Read, especially if some of them actually believe she did it. In their minds they'd just be helping ensure that a cop killer gets convicted, not realizing that she's totally innocent and the real cop killers are using them to protect themselves. The Albert's, McCabe's, and Higgins all seem like the types of people willing and capable of covering up a crime like this and pinning it on someone like Karen Read. But if the evidence ends up pointing to Karen and there's no plausible way that she could've been framed than Karen should be held responsible and I'll owe the others an apology. But so far I think it seems more likely that there's something bad going on with these people who are trying to pin their own actions on Karen Read. Time will tell I suppose. God bless.

The trooper trying to be a medical expert enraged me and makes me think Lally doesn’t want to use an actual medical examiner because they don’t fit his narrative

I slowed her backing out to 0.25x. You can DEFINITELY see JO’s car slightly lurch forward when she hit it. No damage at 5am would mean she DID NOT hit him at midnight! Did nobody else catch that, or did I miss hear that?

I don’t think it requires everyone to be involved in a cover up or conspiracy, but if Proctor and maybe one or two more at the top of the investigation are slanting things others will have no idea that the story isn’t true. If your being fed false info from someone you trust would you know?

Lally does not want the jury to understand and get the ramifications, he wants them confused

It’s is going to be super suspicious if lally doesn’t call proctor. He has called every person who’s name has been anywhere near the investigation and incident it seems like. To draw the line at a guy who is all over the investigation is absurd and screams to me potential coverup. It’s making it feel more likely of a coverup.

Keeping an open mind is not playing dumb. I appreciate that Peter constantly reminds us to be open to all the evidence.

The fact that he defined abrasions completely wrong. Yes, it does affect the epidermis, he got that! However, it is NOT caused by blunt force....NOT AT ALL! It's actually minor scraping of the epidermis, or a superficial burn from friction. He should've never been allowed to say that! I'm an ER nurse and I've seen 100's or more of abrasions and blunt force trauma. And, if you can pull those injuries apart they are lacerations, not scratches.

For me, AJ’s wrap-up regarding the glass was a huge AHA 🤯 moment for me … NONE of the glass submitted matched the drinking glass. The ONLY glass that matched another piece was glass from the bumper and a single piece found at the scene. What I took from that was the drinking glass had to have been broken inside the house, leaving Proctor with a gap to fill … hence, “stand alone” unconnected glass was added to the crime scene to make up for the drinking glass next to JO being broken. If I was on the jury, this would feel like the first piece of Scientific evidence in support of a cover-up (so far).

It doesn't take "All these cops. Or All these witnesses." to be in on it. ONE person could've broken her taillight and spread the pieces at the scene. Everyone else could've done their job to the best of their ability, and she'd still be framed. IF Jen McCabe did the 2:27 AM google search, 4 hrs. before the body was found, that's it.

That testimony is COMPLETELY incomprehensible.

The reason the video being mirrored is such an issue is because they are claiming it proves that no one touches the "broken" taillight, when in fact we are seeing the drivers side, and everyone is congregating over on the side we cant see which is ACTUALLY the passenger side where the broken taillight is.

None of JO's injuries look like they came from contact with a car. Where's the coroner's report?

Her drinking doesnt sway me, EVERYONE was drunk, Its just as plausible Brian Higgins hit him. Also, my husband drinks beer and we both like tequila so when we go out he will order beers and I get something with tequila and he drinks from my liquor drink along with his beer. I also think if somehow KR is found guilty then it needs to be appealed because the things this judge has done and let get in for the prosecution and the things she has not let the defense get in plus all the rushing of mainly the defense while letting the prosecution waste SO MUCH time shows me that she has issues and is swaying the trial toward the prosecution big time. She SHOULD NOT be a judge if she cant be fair.

They didn't read her rights b4 the interview? That right there should get this case thrown out. What that guy is testifying too should not even be allowed.

I spend 10 hours a day on the road and I love listening to your videos. The longer the better. Thanks Peter!

I cant wait for you to get to when Alan Jackson was able to point out that 7-14 from the scene (collected by Proctor) was said not to match anything on the bumper. It was a little difficult to follow, but when he zeroed in on 3-3 e from the items found on the bumper, she then nervously said it was structurally and mechanically consistent with 7-14. I think, just realizing the correlation fornthe first time. I take that to mean those 2 items match each other, 1 from the bumper and the other from the scene, but neither matched the tail light lens or the drinking glass. So apparently, "something" stray, not tail light lens and not drinking glass, had a piece of itself on the bumper collected after the car was towed, and another piece of it was collected at the scene. If the implication is that this foreign item was deposited in 2 places and found at different times, in what scenario do you think that may have occurred? Because it did occur. I think they got a little carried away planting evidence. Bukhenic even found the drinking straw. IMAGINE THAT!

Interviews at their home? Why not have a formal interview at the station where they can be recorded and videoed?

*I hope the defense Brings up the fact that the police and investigators based their ENTIRE investigation into Karen on the statements made by Jennifer Mccabe! Smh*

His resume was great then he opened his mouth

If you knew the "townie cop" mentality in this area of Massachusetts, you could believe in a coverup. I'm savoring the evidence of the SINGLE HAIR that was found on Karen's bumper after she drove 30 min home and 30 minutes back in a raging blizzard. - Julia J

Thank you for the commentary! My eyes glazed over half way through the testimony. I can only imagine how the jury feels! 🥴🥴😵‍💫

The CW asked about the back right side. With the video being flipped that makes one think it’s the side closest to us. They claim it’s motion sensor camera, but we don’t see anybody leave. It’s not gonna stop recording just because they stand still for a few seconds. That’s not how motion sensing stuff works. I was trying to follow the time at the very bottom and there are two or three minutes missing at a time, it seems

Seeing her car drive through that snow when she pulls into her parents house, seeing how they load it onto the tow truck, and watching that blizzard blow, there is no way that hair stayed put!

I'm sitting here laughing because I thought the testimony I'm seeing was from last week. It was from this morning. Oh Lally! LOL

The taxpayers are paying Proctor's salary only for him to be kept from testifying?

I don't know what the CW is covering up, but they're clearly covering something up

Why is there snow inside this garage before the car gets there??

Why did they subpoena the ring video for John O’Keefe’s house and Karen Read’s parents house, but none in or around 34 Fairview? Very suspicious! The house in view of supposed accident had a ring type camera outside. No one asked for that video unless the defense has it!

So glad you’re recapping. I tried to watch in this in real time and I just couldn’t. Lally’s questioning drives me crazy and I can’t follow. The jury has to be falling asleep

"Caused by crushing of the vascular....." That cop made such a fool of himself with made up medical talk.....totally cringe listening to that.

All he proved today was that she had drinks! We already knew they were all out drinking! She is not on trial for drunk driving.. just because she had drinks doesn’t mean she killed him.

Look at the snow on the lexus when being towed, then look at snow on Lexus when in sallyport. Look at Sallyport before Lexus is driven in. Where did all that snow come from? Did they just pull a vehicle into that spot, that was previously in the snow, and drove it back out right before the Lexus arrived? The sallyport is heated right? Why is the video mirrored and skipping? Where are the pictures the officer took when the Lexus arrived? Isn't it policy to take photos so that any damage on the vehicle can't be blamed on law enforcement?

The first 2 glasses could have been plain soda. I honestly do this all this time.

I would say this is obviously something trying to be covered up

Thank you Peter!

the attny managed to even confuse the witness , imagine what the jury thinks. Im with you Peter, make it easy for the jury to understand . I do find it interesting that the larger pieces were found and turned into the lab later than the smaller pieces

Another random point, Lally gets this entire video but Jackson can’t demonstrate 22 seconds with Higgins?

How did they seize Karen’s phone and vehicle days before the search warrant? I have so many questions!

I will say I strongly disagree that this is good law. Having to defend yourself in court on a murder charge is incredibly stressful and extremely expensive and the process can be punishment in and of itself. Prosecutors have a duty to the taxpayer and to the people of their jurisdiction to not press charges on weak cases and to not present improper evidence.

Why didn't they record the interview with Karen?

Peter, you never cease to impress me..us, I think I speak for most here. I would even venture to say, (though there are many channels of subjects important to me that I follow here,) yours, to me, is the most valuable channel on all of RU-vid. It has the best of everything, an intelligent, informative, entertaining, pleasant environment with seriously awesome followers. I fully appreciate, for one thing that you know your craft inside and out, and that you do make sure to give fair evaluations of both sides pointing out the positives and negatives in the actions of all the players of both sides. Going out of your way to be respectful and professional. You are so genuine, I have been watching this ...this.."trial," they are calling it. The most bizarre in BS I have ever seen. It seems so absurd. And then I saw you really getting disgusted with this today, and it was just the perfect reaction for you. It fit. I love when your dad comes on, too. What a man he is. So yay for The Lawyer You Know. I look forward to it, every day.

My opinion is that the defense is going to tear him up

I'm scratching my head with how the taillight can shine red light if the plastic in the housing is totally busted. I don't believe Lexus uses red LEDs under red plastic.

Yuriy thinking he's blowing us away with his medical terminology, but then uses North and South to describe the arm 🤦‍♀️ To quote Peter, "My guy...." it's distal and proximal 😂😂

High school science classes taught me that there's no way Karen's tail light would've shattered from the impact of a 4000 lb SUV hitting a freestanding, (relatively) squishy & lightweight human. That damage could only be caused by impact with a solid, stationary object like a parked vehicle or a brick wall or by being smashed w/ a hammer or bat. When those lights break, any broken pieces don't fall outward, but rather, inward, inside the housing. That's why the piece that broke at 5am when Karen backed into John's car didn't land on the ground. Believing in Karen's innocence & the McAlberts' involvement is neither unreasoned nor unfair due to the known facts. It's the ONLY logical conclusion one may arrive at if they're paying attention to the McAlberts' texts to each other & their collusion in person during or preceding police interviews. "Hos long to die in cold" was searched by Jen at 2:27am and it was deleted prior to handing her phone over. Cellbrite data proved that! How is that NOT proof that she knew John was on the lawn at 2:27am???

Will backing into a human going like 10 mph at a maximum really cause this lens to smash into a million pieces? Pretty sure polycarbonate is highly durable and a fully clothed man will not cause this damage. Especially at low speed.

That’s what I got! The glass on the bumper did not match

The fact the crime scene wasn't secured the entire time is reasonable doubt.

We want Proctor Trooper and we want him right NOW.🛑

If this the best the prosecution has, they’re disillusioned.

Calling those wounds ”abrasions” is ridiculous - we’ve seen the injuries that resemble dog bites!! Or scratches but not abrasions!!

Ps there are no blood vessels in the epidermis; they are in the dermis, which is deeper than the epidermis, so the ex Marine was wrong despite trying to sound like he has knowledge of anatomy. Pss I'm a veterinarian.

Whoever said you were dumb pissed me right off. You are the smartest man I know. Keep up all your great work, love how you break it all down . Your the best. Love ❤️ and hugs 🫂

If I'm the defense, no way am I calling Procter. I find the "The prosecution doesn't even trust their lead investigator enough to call him." attack in closing to be persuasive. There's tons of reasonable doubt already, using that they never heard from Proctor in closing arguments is icing on the cake!

I been in automotive collision repair over 30 years, taillights don’t break and fall off like that with zero damage to the quarter panel behind it

Also, there is already the outline of snow on the floor of the garage when they drive it in. Was this video taken the first time it's driven in or after/staged?

Thank you, Peter. You explain things so well.

You are Amazing using your Expertise in an Interesting and Inciteful manner! Gratitude, Peace & Justice 💫

As a former waitress, I didn’t ring in water or soda water on the receipt because it was free where I was serving, and it saved me time.. The type of glass is irrelevant, imo. I served pop in all kinds of glasses… She ALLEGEDLY had 1 drink at 8:58, 2nd 9:15, 3rd at 9:20*, 4th at 9:33pm*, 5th and 6th by 9:57, 7th at 10:29… Shot glass could have been a shot, OR simple syrup, OR lemon juice, OR lime juice… we don’t know. Unless it’s on the receipt, we don’t know. Did John drink any of her drink at all? If she had that much alcohol, the bar should have been fined for over serving her. She didn’t appear to have eaten anything. She would have been stumbling if not more. KR= ~$50- 2 Tito’s at $10 each, so that 1 coors would have cost >$20, no way! The math ain’t mathing! The illegal search and seizure of her car and phone shows her being singled out as the only suspect from the jump. By the afternoon/evening of 1/29, they already had her car and phone. No search of 34 Fairview, no questioning of witnesses who live at 34 Fairview by this time…

I have never laughed so hard in my life, watching Peter watching this witness. And all the medical testimony I was hysterical.

I’m on re-watch crew and am 💀with Peter’s face at 51:15 Literally lol right now. “Come in Yuri…” 😂

I think by now, no juror takes the word of any officer regardless how decorated they are seriously in this case. Jurors are not naive.

why is nobody talking about the round blood stain on the back left side of his pants? there is clearly not that much blood in the snow that they put in friggin' solo cups?! this is insane. how did all that blood get on the back of his jeans? I think from laying on the floor in blood or being dragged through blood? this whole thing STINKS!!! also ohara was shaking like a leaf on a tree and whispering to himself? does anyone else think his behavior was like someone lying???

As soon as the Trooper started talking, I didn't care for him. He came off defensive at times & even arrogant. I can't wait until the defense gets a hold of him.

I have an autoimmune stomach disease similar to KR’s. When I go out for drinks, I buy a soda and a shot. Then I can control how much alcohol is put in my drink. I don’t know that that’s what Karen was doing, but it could’ve been. Since both soda and vodka are both clear we don’t know.

They were so insistent on having the cop testify to his injuries, I wonder if they're not calling ME. Andrea was explaining they could get away with not calling Proctor, and not have a jury instruction if he wouldn't add anything. Seems same could apply to ME.

I’m struggling to keep up with this trial. I can only keep track and understand because of lawyers on RU-vid recapping it and explaining it! If it wasn’t for them my head would be spinning.

The family should be so upset that the trooper was smirking and smiling. That they only have one lawyer trying this case and he’s clearly in over his head. The investigation was awful. This is an officer you would think they would do their best. This is terrible.

Replay here, from Fleming Island, Florida. Regarding the state troopers walking shoulder-to-shoulder, Sean McDonough (retired CSI, federal agent, etc., plus lived in Canton) @Going Through the Motions said those agents scanning the area where John died were using technique to find a missing person. They weren’t CSI agents, who would have treated the scene as a crime scene and would have NEVER walked through the crime scene, even single file. He said they should have placed a tent over the scene, with crime tape around it and guarded until the snow melted.

How can a defendant not be able to “confront” the lead investigator? Wouldn’t that be appeals issue ?

Such awesome commentary on this, Peter !!!!!!

I find this judge EXTREMELY prejudicial and this entire trial is so annoying to watch.

Why was his “conversation”’not recorded at the station? Why didn’t he read her her rights? Suspicious!!!

For sure it's flipped. The lettering on the rear lid of the cop car would not be printed backwards. The skipping is highly suspect of doctoring.

Hey Peter, Replay crew here, I am with you! So frustrating for a cop to testify to his medical opinion, wth were they thinking?

Notice they never say Officer O'Keefe. He also says acquaintances to distance from all the connections these people have to each other.

Excellent coverage!

I love the long form.... I learn so much from you.

Jackson is bursting to cross this witness

Regardless of the drinks and BAC stuff, the amount of testimony from witnesses saying she didn’t seem drunk makes me still question all of it.

No photos of the evidence when it was collected.

super job, Peter! Thanks so much!

QUESTION???? Can’t the defense SIMPLY subpoena HIM?? Proctor?? This judge should be remove for being biased as hell.

Lmaoooooo! Peter I’m glad you had the same take on the day as I did. I can’t w this dude’s medical commentary…. Judge allowing it? 🙄 definite hard eye roll. Bring on the ME. Thank you!