Locked in the Brig on a Battleship 

The New Jersey did still have the brig during the 1980's reactivation. It was port side aft, probably third deck (it's been a while) There were three small cells and one large cell. I personally used the large cell to store my tools and materials during both of New Jersey's pre activation sea trials

I had a guy in my unit who had been previously stationed at a remote base in the Aleutians (Shemya). He got drunk and disorderly one weekend, and was put into confinement. The USAF did not have a stockade there, so they put him in the elevator and stopped it between floors, and let him out for bathroom breaks and meals.

The IOWA class brigs were a luxury hotel vs TEXAS. The BB35 brig area has 5 cells side by side off a short passageway.. The passageway door and the cell doors are solid metal with about 5 rows of holes at the top an bottom. The interior is a solid metal box. No furnishings. Not even a light bulb. The only light in a cell is what came through the holes in the doors from two light fixtures in the passageway The ships deck log entry of 28 September 1918 records a sailor sentenced to solitary confinement for 15 days. Meal time was bread and water with full ration every third day. He was also fined $27.70. He offense was breaking into a ditty box and stealing 5 boxes of Fig Newtons valued at 70 cents.

I wonder how long they cut of Ryan trying to awkwardly explain to her what he meant by Glory Hole. 😂

Had a Chief tell me one time to make friends with any Marine Detachment stationed on any ship I was stationed. His reasoning was if they was a brawl during Liberty during a port call, the Marines would have my back. This Chief was a Vietnam Veteran and an awesome SNCO.

Armed Marines were deployed on my ship during a race riot and station at various points for a couple of weeks after. It was close to a munity and some were actually charged with it, but I believe those charges were eventually dropped. USS Kitty Hawk 1972.

I only know of one guy who spent time in the USS Dixie brig. He was one of the mess cooks who thought jumping overboard while at sea would be a great way of getting out of the Navy. Ironically his buddy a deck ape liked that idea and jumped with him. While they were waiting for the ship to come back for them they got to talking and decided to tell the Captain the deck ape jumped in to save him. The Captain didn't believe a word of it but the Navy fell for it and gave the guy an certificate of accommodation for his bravery. The Captain hated giving him that, they had a huge ceremony and all. I knew these guys and hope they read this. By the way, I did bread and water in the 32nd St. brig for going UA while I was on restriction. Learned a lesson from that and made QM3 before leaving the Navy.

In the mid '70s on the USS Lexington (CV-16), when a sailor got put in the ship's brig, the brig watchstanders came from his division and brig watches were extra watches stood in addition to your normal watches. This would tend to make the sailor in the brig much disliked by his shipmates.

Commander krill: throw him in the brig Skinny Segal: nobody goes to the brig without the old man's approval Commander krill: you're right, secure him in the meat locker

I joined in 97 and got out in 18, Every Carrier I was ever on still had a Brig and We still put Sailors on Bread and Water punishment.

In response to Keith Nick at the very end of the video, as a native of St. Louis, Missouri, I have always said it the same way, Mizz-ur-ee. However, pronunciation and even accents vary throughout the state, and St. Louis seems to have its own accent, so the way Ryan says it would be right for someone from another part of the state.

At least it wasn't the red toilet. Edit: Having been stationed in the state of Missouri. I can confidently tell you the state is pronounced Misery.

I'm really impressed with Meghan. She contributes a lot of knowledge to the video.

New Jerseys post office would be neat to see in a video

The slot in the cell door isn't for sliding a food tray in, though it can be used for that. The slot is for the inmates to stick their hands through to be hand cuffed prior to the door being opened. They are very similar to the cell doors in the facility I work in.

Our aircraft carriers still had brigs. Some of the detainees could be "checked out" to use as help for cleaning and moving stuff. The Navy base I still work on has one also. Always has two or three people in there.

yet another captivating episode, pun firmly intended..

“Glory hole” gets me every time

Interesting how the four ships all varied in different ways. Good episode!

I find myself mildly skeptical that "I know, I'll drink from this toilet and get a free trip to sickbay" was a strategy that delinquent sailors were going to think of all that often, but as solutions looking for problems go, that's pretty ingenious. :)

Looks like y'all had fun making this video! The smiles are contagious!

I've lived in Missouri (the state) my whole life. I have a piece of unhelpful information to share: St. Louis and Kansas City usually pronounce it with an "ee" sound at the end and many other places in the state say it with an "ah" or "uh" sound at the end. The cliché is that the latter is more "rural." There is no "correct" pronunciation, only the regionally appropriate one. I don't know where the battleship Missouri factors into this, since it is unlikely to ever visit Missouri.

"You just give them more work..." ... Because in the US military it's very easy to turn a day into more than 24 hours.

Everyone should visit Battle Ship Missouri if you get the chance. Because, as you know, Missouri loves company...

I do hope the guy who closed the brig door at the end is from Battleship Iowa and then it’s a full set! It’s interesting to see the differences in de/reactivations between the different ships. For example, in the 40s, NJ went into deactivation sooner and benefited from a better preparation programme, whereas Missouri got a later reactivation in the 80s and benefited from design tweaks like better design/ergonomics for new equipment like the EBA.

The most recent meeting of BOCA (Battleship Owners Club America) got unruly, so crew members locked them up for their own safety. As for New Jersey's brig, I'd say yes to restoring, if the aim is to restore it back to it's WW2 era condition.

I spent a month in Missouri one weekend.

The food port on the cell doors were also for handcuffing and removing handcuffs without having to keep the door open.

Great episode!!

I love how Ryan just said that Glory Hole part with a smile, then instantly dropped it when he said "Because they go down with the ship."

It's interesting the Royal Navy maintains the same sort of rivalry between the Navy and Marines and for similar reasons. Certainly in the past, the RM quarters on a ship were placed between the officers' quarters and the those of the ratings and an armed Marine sentry would always be on duty at the entrance to "officer country". In Royal Navy history there have been a couple of mutinies, but the Marines boast that they have never taken part.

another great video from the battleship

My father was a Marine and spent much of his time as a guard on various ships. He has lots of stories from having to chamber a round when guys started to get out of hand to sneaking guys in the brig turkey and other treats on holidays

I’d say it’s better to have it and not need it. It can always be used as a high-dollar item lock up, tool room, or secure storage for seized items.

"Protective custody" iow Blanket party prevention. The brig on USS Eisenhower was used a number of times during my tour, mostly 3 days bread and water sentences for egregious mistakes, like food poisoning a third of the crew(on one occasion) or simple assaults.

Good save on the “glory hole” explanation.

All the Nimitz carriers I have been on "Sorry I missed you Eisenhower" they all had brig spaces.

When the video starts it looks like you're "steering the big silver ship"

4:23-"the Marines and the Sailors are always in a "rivalry." UNTRUE!! USN 73-77, SEVERAL TIMES, I have had good friendships with several Marines. USS VULCAN AR-5, Shout-out to "Wolfie," and Vern Penny, Youngstown, Ohio.

9:01 - Ryan: why are you saying as "Misora"? Megan, did correct you, also - your face when she did that 😂

Saw a guy walking with a Battleship NJ hat that you would wear if you served. I wanted to talk to him so bad but he was with his family, grandkids and all. Just bad timing as I was in a rush myself.

Oh the Missouri!

THE OCENCO EEBD! If you ever watched the tutorial video (mandated training yearly), you'd know that if you played a drinking game, take a drink every time they mention the EEBD, you'd die of alcohol poisoning before the video was over.

I'm guessing that the brig became less necessary after the draft ended and all volunteers became the norm. You were less likely to want to ruin your navy career if you had joined up so most infractions could be dealt with by assigning more work as he said. This goes both ways as the seniority didn't want to be too harsh most of the time.

sailors in the Brig could be called "Confinies", for want of using a non harsh word. love the vids!!! like the reason for fresh water... someone i know would have done that i am sure just to get out for a few hours.

Missouri. "a" or "e" It all depends on which part of the State you or your people come from !:-) 🙏💜⚡️

"Wow their battleship is so cool I'll decorate my battleship just like that!"

I must admit, I was not expecting to hear the term "glory hole" mentioned on this channel. :D

I think the reasoning Ryan lays out in the video is sound. They didn't have that option when the ship was built, not at a practical level, and they would not have it for quite a while after WW2. There are plenty of other places one could put someone who needs protective custody, right? However, ytlas3 above says there was a brig on NEW JERSEY in the 1980s, so it may be moot. It's a big ship.

anyone else think Ryan is way too comfortable around bars like he';s woke up behind them before??

I learned about the freshwater heads from another video you had made about it.. it was a prudent step for them to take, but as you said locking up a man wasn't the go to usually.

Lol, I never heard of sending someone to the brig for their protection. The Captain must've been a genius to sell it to the crew that way. "Seaman Recruit Jones I'm sending you to the brig for your protection and as a added bonus I'm going to let you eat all the bread and water you want during your stay." The freshwater toilet story sounds like another typical Navy story. I guarantee you if you drink out of the shitter aboard ship, you're going to get sick and need sick bay regardless if it has fresh or salt water in the bowel.

Hi Ryan! I have a video idea question. What did a 16" shell (or 14", 15" etc) sound like when passing overhead? I have small arms experience. For example, a supersonic 7.62x51 bullet fired at a downrange observer 200 yards away makes a loud sonic crack right as it passes by the observer's body location. It sounds like a small gunshot right next to the observer, followed by the dull thud of the gunshot sound reaching the observer next. The 16" guns fired their shells at right around 2,500 FPS which is supersonic. If New Jersey was 1,000 yards away from another smaller ship and firing over top of that small ship, would the sailors hear massive sonic booms from the 16" shells traveling past them at above Mach 2? Is that artillery howling/whistling sound in the movies what the shells actually sounded like as they traveled overhead once they had slowed down to subsonic velocity?

The best part about the Missouri is you have to go to Honolulu to see it.

this has nothing to do with battleships but it still may be of some interest My dad was a USMC in the latter part of WWII He took an LST from Pearl Harbor directly to the invasion of Iwo Jima where he went in as infantry replacement a few hours after the first wave He told me some stories about the poor sea going qualities of LSTs and being seasick as well as about the "brig" The brig consisted of a small enclosure of barbed wire in a corner of the vessel He knew another Marine who was on guard duty of supplies that were off limits to enlisted men This Marine was caught by a lieutenant stealing candy bars and was put in the brig and was on "punk and piss" (bread and water) until 72 hours before the estimated time of combat How he fared after that I was never told Dad did say that some guys were so seasick it was less than 72 hours for them before they could manage to eat anything As far as other travel by sea Dad went from Treasure Island San Francisco to Ohua on a liberty ship After the capture of Iwo he was sent to Guam but the means of transit I don't know I wish I asked him a lot more when he was still with us On Guam he told me that the few Japanese POWs were guarded by Marines including at times my Dad He looked on the POWs as kids and small by American standards except for the one officer who was allowed to order the enlisted men around with a haughty and supercilious manner bordering on cruelty at times The officer dad did not like at all but the men were OK in fact they were going to make him some kind of souvenir type thing a more exact definition I no longer remember However some guards were unecessarilly brutal I asked him if he thought that was the case because of seeing buddies killed by them but he said No they were scumbags before they ever put on a uniform He did say of one incident while he and buddy were driving a truck in a jungle area 2 dirty emactiated looking Japanese came out of the jungle with hands in the air His buddy wanted to shoot them saying they might have a grenade but the driver stopped and dad jumped out with an M1 and his buddy's dog ushered them into the back of the truck where he sat with the M1 pointed at them He said they seemed more scared of the dog than the M1 In any cases they had 2 POWs He told me a young native of Guam told him the Japansese told his father to dive for pearls or else! The young man stepped forth because he knew his father was too old for that so he tried The Japanese had a very bad reputation with the natives Dad was originally slated for the invasion of Kyushu but there were enough volunteers who had not yet seen combat so he didn't have to go and Thank God for that When the war ended he was headed for Long Beach CA in a CVE thence to New York his hometown via train

What happens to a prisoner when called to action stations general quarters ? Would he be released to man his usual station or just left locked up ?

In Missouri, the only ones that say, "Missoura" are south Missouri around Branson and the Ozarks. :)

Keep the brigs in case you run into Kahn.

During General Quarters do the personnel in confined in the Brig stay in the Brig?

I think having a break to show the public would be very interesting and a very popular place. Everyone wants to hear stories. And look how many movies and TV shows there are where sailors are being threatened with being thrown in the brig or are. Always a point of drama.

If that stainless steel toilet is like in most jails, it has the faucet/sink built into it. Fresh water in the faucets for drinking, washing and shaving that drains directly into the toilet. If fresh water is plumbed for the sink faucets, it would also be used for flushing the toilet. Plus, drinking from a toilet, whether fresh or salt water, will make you sick.

Vietnam CVA, prisoners were marched, three meals a day, to mess decks for feed. Very loud, visual,”MAKE WAY PRISONER!” See what happens when you screw up!

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So the drunk tank option is why the brig is a good idea at least If I'm reactivating a WW2 battleship in the 80s

Asked my dad once about the brig on one of his destroyers. With a WTF stare, he said "We'd throw'em in a bosun locker or over the side!" Rrrrrrrrrr!!!

I visited the USS New Jersey on Monday, Sept 19, 2022, and was told that Ryan was in or headed for Hawaii, guess they were right.

I always considered my time in the brig as a holiday with superior accommodation. Peace and quiet, lie down read a book, food brought to you three times a day. The waitress wasn't very pretty though.

Ryan reminds me of Alan Alda.

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Got to have fresh water to make that good old toilet wine.

Chances are, they weren't just worried a sailor would drink salt water, one or two probably did. I may have even been a navy-wide thing.

These days it would make sense to keep the brig because navies are involved in operations other than war and war with assymetric non peer enemy e.g terrorists, pirates etc. Come to think of it it probably would've made sense to keep it in the 80s too IIRC Hezbolllah were doing their thing in those days when the BBs were firing on Lebanon, and I'm pretty sure it was not as huge an issue, but piracy was still an issue in SE Asia.

wouldn't it be cool if we can have overnight stays in the brig , it would be like a themed hotel

Find an old 50s film of Harry Truman and see how he pronounces Missouri. That's where he came from and should be the gold standard.

Okay what did Ryan do to get himself in Missouri's brig?

Also another question: Do you need to obtain an NFA tax stamp for a destructive device when you reactivate the 5" guns and AA guns? They're breach loading, rifled, greater than .500" in bore diameter, and they're not sporting shotguns. 😸 How does that work?

Michael Scott vibes. No offense lol. Cool vid

maybe mispronouncing Missouri's name was enough to warrant time in the ship's brig

I support law and order. This indicates I believe in throwing deliberate wrong-doers into jail in the civilian world and into the brig in the Navy and Marine Corps universe. That having been said, I'm not one who wishes to disagree with Navy regulations having been raised the son of Navy doctor and WWII veteran, and having myself served in the Navy. I've never done jail time (brig time, either). But I accept and support all articles of Regulation for the United States Navy. Andy McKane, 28 September 2022, Maunaloa, Hawaii.

Ether vapors?

those slots are used for hand cuffing not for food trays

drinking salt water from the toilet to get out of the brig and into the sick bay... got it

At the beginning I thought you were engaging in “potty” talk- draining water from toilet and talking through pipes while in isolation - as mentioned in tour of Alcatraz I took.

What produced the ether buildup?

wait, what happens when the marines end up in the brig. Surely that was far more common.

I say keep the brig. Some people only respond to being locked up and find ways to skate out of even loads of extra duty.

Did the New Jerseys retire before the USN had women at sea? If not were they accomidated seperatly?

I sure wouldn't want to be trapped in there when the ship is sinking

People held in the Brig are or were called awardees.

She's right. Missouri is pronounced muh-zur-ee

I'd imagine that those spaces were used mostly for suicide watch. After being cleared medically and stripped of dangerous items they would be put on watch down there. It would be safer then being in medical, and there is no need for a medical watch. Everyone knows if they say the wrong thing they will go down to the brig not home.

I was a watch stander in the brig, on a US Navy warship. , for One day. It sucked. 1975. USS Guam.

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I was never going to ask or say anything, because i know US has 1001 accents, but yeah, Missour-ah sounds a bit weird. Wonder how that came about as it's not the first person (Ryan) to say it like that.

Makes sense to have a brig to me. Drunks that need to sober up. Sailors need to be separated after a fight. Or Heaven forbid a serious situation but you can't chppper the individual off for a while.

The North Carolina still has her brig and it's pretty depressing....But then so are the WWII era heads.....

Find any ship prison shanks?

8:13 Glory Hole!

Why does Ryan pronounce Missouri as Missorah?

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