Log splitter Upgrades

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I make some improvements to my Timberwolf TW P1 Log Spliiter. I install a Drainzit oil drain hose and a Timberwolf table grate. The wood splitter had some trouble with one of my improvements. We'll let you know how it does in the next video.

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@keithrayeski6417 4 года назад

We learn from our mistakes. You are to be commended for sharing the failure so others learn...no shame there! I like the Timberwolf design at the exit...other splitters the rounds roll out the sides which makes the extensions difficult to work around. The Timberwolf doesn’t impede your operation or make you reach across. Nice piece.

@monicawhite5352 2 года назад

Great video and effort CTSCAPER! We live & learn. Those who have the guts to learn & try new things are the ones who will continually be rewarded by trying & learning new things. And that's a good thing; if it doesn't end up being detrimental. Spectators seldom learn to do anything, because they are mere spectators. As a result, spectators do what they do best: sit & watch. They will seldom learn to do anything on their own accord. But they are very quick to watch and criticize the efforts of others. It's the old "Man in the Arena" principle. Never worry about the spectators or "sideliners" of the world. They will continue to sit where they are most comfortable. While you stand being the "Man in the Arena!" Thank you for all of the log splitter upgrades demonstrated.

@RobertViani 7 лет назад

Great video. I've had my TWP-1 for about 8 years and I love it cutting 8+ cord a year. I cut smaller size firewood and I've thought about those spacers....not anymore. Thanks for keeping it real and posting the good the bad and the ugly!

@tylerfisher4122 2 года назад

It's not because of the spacers it's because he didn't set the valve

@joevanvalkenburg 9 лет назад

Drill a hole in the clevis and rod then install hitch pin easy repair $500 is hurts when a hitch pins are $2.50

@blackwell1384 5 лет назад

I have the same log splitter and I love it. I have to admit I thought about using something to stop the ram returning all the way. After watching this I checked my ram and the ram must bottom out in the cylinder because it doesn’t bottom out against the housing as some of the commenters think it does

@irvinggoldberg5365 2 года назад

Live & learn. Winners don't quit and quitters don't win. Never stop trying. Great video!

@mikewolff5184 7 лет назад

Too bad about your splitter but you saved someone else some money (and a headache!) thanks for sharing.

@CTSCAPER 7 лет назад

That's a great way to look at it! Thanks for watching.

@tylerfisher4122 2 года назад

It's because he didn't set the valve

@anewrnn 8 лет назад

Thx for showing the mishap... That's what happens in the real world, we all want our tools to run optimally. You saved us all time and money!!! And lesson learned.

@matthewkitzmann8585 8 лет назад

if you set the detent adjustment in the valve it would have kicked out prior to having enough pressure to cause that damage

@daveboyt6810 8 лет назад

I tried something similar. Seemed like a good idea at the time. As soon as I realized the cylinder has to be fully retracted for the detent to kick out, I stopped using it. Maybe some sort of adjustable linkage from the splitting plate to the valve so that it physically kicks it off. Or a position activated solenoid. I don't see the threaded rod as a poor design, since the splitter was never designed to pull tension on the threads in the first place, but i agree that welding or pinning it would be a good fix. Thanks for the video. The PVC oil catcher alone made the video worthwhile. Keep at it and stay safe!

@danvize4284 8 лет назад

your cylinder doesn't have to fully retract, it's all babased on pressure

@TheSlagman0 6 лет назад

Just weld it no problem. I've welded cylinders on big farm implements and had no problem at all !

@michaeldoidge1838 2 года назад

I have the same log splitter and use those spacers. Never one issue.

@CTSCAPER 2 года назад

Interesting! Perhaps all the comments about there already being damage on my splitter were right.

@michaeldoidge1838 2 года назад

@@CTSCAPER Buying used. You never know what you get. Maybe the bolt was lose and it just pulled apart. You definitely made me check mine.

@CTSCAPER 2 года назад

@@michaeldoidge1838 Many people watching the video said the part that broke was already broken because they saw rust on the break. It ended well and I have an amazing log splitter that will last, theoretically, forever. They don't make them like they used to!

@philliphall5198 9 месяцев назад

The collor are for resting the cly, not really for preventing travel Mostly used for depth control of plowing etc

@vincewaldock7921 2 года назад

I made adjustable rod on push block to hit valve spool to adjust return stroke. Works better than detent.

@CTSCAPER 2 года назад

That sounds like a much better solution. I need to do that.

@StumpAway 7 лет назад

You can drill and add a pin or weld it which would be my method, no need to replace cylinder over that, that's an easy fix. Like the oil drain thing though

@robbooth7904 7 лет назад

thanks for the advice. I try to learn from not only my mistakes,but from others also.

@CTSCAPER 7 лет назад

I knew there was a reason I make so many mistakes. :-)

@nicholascremato 7 лет назад

I believe that the stripped cylinder rod was like that when you got it and it looks like its held in place with Balzone or weld epoxy. Have a machine shop put a pin in it and try again.

@lt1jon 7 лет назад

just drill it and pin it

@KingAverage-pn9us 7 лет назад

lt1jon. good man

@xXxCatsnakexXx 7 лет назад

Exactly!

@rossmcclure8578 5 лет назад

@Flatus Antiquitous welding the cast knuckle would weaken that more than drilling and pinning

@dngendron 4 года назад

Yup

@TheGoodoftheLand 7 лет назад

Thanks for the tip, I'm glad you left it in the Video! Great production an the video BTW, earned you a new subscriber!

@johnmyers6097 9 лет назад

That's what I call a live and learn mistake. There was no personal injury, now you can scratch that idea off the books. Happy splitting, John

@Lanninglongarmmowing 9 лет назад

Great video! Why not weld the ram to the cylinder?

@Lanninglongarmmowing 9 лет назад

***** Yeah good point. It probably would have worked though.

@Lanninglongarmmowing 9 лет назад

***** Yeah i do a lot of improvising. Being at the bottom of the pay pole I have to do it a lot.

@Lanninglongarmmowing 8 лет назад

mackthefatcat Chuckee2009 has some videos about welding different kinds of materials together. It's not ideal for sure, but it might work.

@Lanninglongarmmowing 8 лет назад

mackthefatcat Yeah I see what you mean. Good point.

@GTObearclaw1 8 лет назад

+mackthefatcat + what about welding it and trying it out before assuming it wouldn't work and throwing money at new parts. if you put the shaft all the way into the threaded hole and weld it, there would be no pressure on the weld during the push stroke. Look at the tip of the shaft, it has a collar. Only pressure on the weld should be when ram is returning from the push stroke. Just a thought. I like to experiment with things like that. Especially when it can save me money. If the parts are going to be replaced any way I figure it's worth a try.

@andrewsmith1606 7 лет назад

Great video, love the drain pipe mod.

@frostzillathespatulizer6675 7 лет назад

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@Robb403 6 лет назад

I think the biggest log splitter regret people have is when they realize that they should have gotten one that works vertically as well as horizontally. The worst back killer is repetitively lifting heavy logs to split. With a vertical splitter, you can just sit on a bucket and roll the logs onto it. Even the splitter shown could be modified by swapping the wedge and the anvil and adding a hinge or two. It's something to consider when buying a splitter, unless you're built like a lumberjack.....

@m16ty Год назад

I disagree with that. I have found what is hard on my back isn't so much the weight of the wood as it is having to work bent over, even sitting on a bucket. My solution is to leave the splitter horizontal and add a lift to raise the wood up to splitter height.

@KDuboutdoors19 6 лет назад

Welded mine. Homemade splitter, cylinder is from a komatsu dozer, 16hp kohler from a 75 c160 wheel horse tractor, 20 gpm pump, Prince valve.

@CTSCAPER 6 лет назад

That's a nice splitter. It must be powerful and fast. I don't have the skills, or confidence in my skills, to go for a project like that.

@Matt.Jungfleisch 8 лет назад

Can you chase the cylinder shaft with a nut ? Same size so to speak. And then thread the new threads into the plate. Live and learn we all do. You just show us in your videos. Thanks !

@kebo57 2 года назад

Looked to me like the threads were already partly crossed up, and the one time the ram or cylinder retracted too much, with those cylinder stroke limiters in place, was the last straw that made the pushing block come off. Those threads just looked to me like the pushing block had already been working itself loose?

@EasternExplorer 7 лет назад

Seen that coming a mile away...There is just as much pressure in that cylinder going backwards as there is going forwards. when your pusher hit the stoppers the cylinder wasn't at the end of its stroke and your log splitter has an auto reverse control valve that automatticly kicks out at the end of the stroke so it was bound to happen.

@johnkillen588 5 лет назад

thank you for being a man and exposing your failures.......it saves the next guy that can learn by wisdom vs experience............YOU ARE A GOOD MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!

@randypistritto7043 2 года назад

If both ends are stripped of threads, you have nothing to loose if you weld the end of the ram to the stripped head mount. It won't hurt a the machine or ram and will last the life of the machine. Much cheaper then a new hydraulic cylinder and head mount. Look at u-tube videos of other wood splitters. More then half are welded.

@Breezer56 9 месяцев назад

Let us know what the dealer says. This is something many want to try or have tried. Some people mount steel tubing across on the cylinder. As for the carnage, you could take it to a local dealer and have them rebuild the cylinder or weld the end on it as both are in bad shape anyways!

@donfrank4429 6 лет назад

I made a table like yours for my Barreto log splitter, it works nice

@SuperQuickfix1 6 лет назад

At least the piston didn't come undone from the slug in the cylinder. Happen to mine because the splitting wedge had a flat spot that cought on the wood and caused the piston to rotate, unscrewing it. Now the hydraulic fluid is entering both sides pushing the piston out. Happens so fast and once out the only way to retract it is undo the hydraulic line to the detent valve. Moral, as slow as they go never get your hands near the wedge.

@craigschiller1599 4 года назад

Collars are for plough rams etc that have a valve that opens on end of ram when clevice bottoms on it. For this set up would need ti adjust kick out pressure on valvebody if it has it or going to rip end of ram off all the time.

@bjemdwbesq3 Год назад

QUESTION: I've been reading the comments and some of you seem to think that adding the spacers was okay and shouldn't harm anything and others say that it's not designed to operate that way and should only automatically kick out at the end of the stroke or cylinder. So which is it? I asked because someone used my splitter (not me) and placed a stick of wood behind the back side of the wedge to stop it from going back so far and now when you retract it hydraulic fluid is just pouring out. So I'm wondering if that could have damaged it.

@EitriBrokkr 7 лет назад

it's a great idea, you just need to turn your pressure relief valve down, or add one to the system

@johnfranklin4038 7 лет назад

I like the "Split Second" splitters. They are much faster and don't use hydraulics so are much cheaper to repair/maintain.

@CTSCAPER 7 лет назад

I like the Super Splitter types as well. It has a mechanical action and it's like splitting with a self propelled axe. If only I had the budget to get one.

@johnfranklin4038 7 лет назад

***** Yeah, the kinetic splitters work great as long as you have heavy enough flywheels. Brother made one himself using one of those big bumper jacks. Uses a flywheel made out of a tire/rim from a pickup truck. He cut a hole in the tread of the tire about 2 inch in diameter and poured in concrete. It provides plenty of kinetic OOMPH to split the 36-40" long logs he burns in his outside furnace. Had automatic vents to control combustion and a blower that kicks on/off to warm up his house. Fills up the burner and it burns all night with plenty of coals left in morning to throw in a few more sticks and continue burning. Has an auger in bottom that cranks out the ashes that he spreads on his garden during the winter and disks it 3 or 4 times during the winter to work it in and plows deep in the springtime before planting. woops, turned into a wall O text there, sorry, lol

@frodehau 6 лет назад

Easy to fix. Drill a hole an put a pin in it. Better than new. These stroke limiters are for simpler splitters with a springloaded return.

@RANDOG1951 7 лет назад

You write, Now that it's fixed I feel much better. What did you do or have someone do to get her running again? I had a couple ideas but in the comments below, others had similar ideas like mine. Stay warm.

@RG-wy1ol 5 месяцев назад

Thanks for sharing this video now we know what not to use .

@ferguson20diesel49 7 лет назад

Or you could weld it up. It depends on how long the ram is and if the weld will damaged the seals

@jeremylandphier692 4 года назад

Why would they thread the cyl shaft into the log pusher , those threads look like they were chewed up before you bought it !

@digbyodell2924 7 лет назад

That was funny though when the cylinder retracted without the head. That Timberwolf looks just low enough to be a pain in the back and if it's a one man operation, I much prefer the splitter to be on the cylinder so I can stack or load the pieces three to six at a time as they're made instead of picking them up another time.

@50AHenry 8 лет назад

Hi, I am certainly NOT going to say what a stupid idea this was. You, like most of us would not anticipate the problem. PERHAPS and engineer or hydraulics expert might foresee the issue, but not the general population. I do appreciate you alerting and warning the rest of us. THANK YOU !!!

@MRALBERT571 5 лет назад

We uses those stops on farm equipment all the time never had a problem like that, as said before threads were rusty so had been loose and check detente presure.

@jeffsims7386 7 лет назад

Very easy ways to fix that, many listed here. Besides those, you can get a new piston, NOT the whole cylinder, if you've ever worked with hydraulic cylinders you know it's really pretty simple to open it up and install a new piston and a whole lot cheaper than purchasing the whole new assembly.

@CTSCAPER 7 лет назад

Unfortunately that's beyond my skill level at this point but I'll keep it in mind for next time.

@Mike588 2 года назад

It shouldn't matter, your return kick out should have still been, cutting off the cylinder, no matter where you put the spacers. Please explain.

@atomatom6442 6 лет назад

Great easy to watch vid. And the Timber Wolf series is for the true PRO!!

@augustreil 6 лет назад

A little oil film on stuff is good, keeps shit from rusting. Run a tap through the wedge and thread chaser on the ram then spray carb cleaner to clean it and red lock tight it on, done. And, if your splitter can't go vertical, it really limits to what you can pick up yourself. Jmo. Thanks.

@jimrerko3415 6 лет назад

We all make mistakes we'll only human but we need to learn from our stupid mistakes. God bless.

@jasonbrown7258 5 лет назад

I got the same type of cylinder on my splitter been fine for 20 years. I think what happened is the lock bolt for the thread lock wasn't tight enough and the detent on the valve was not set correctly causing to much pressure on the return.

@scottcarr3264 5 лет назад

Clean the thread on the rod and in the clevis and screw them together, drill a 1/4" or 5/16" hole through clevis and rod thread and drive a pin through, throw those spacers away and it should be OK, because you are primarily "pushing" with it, it only needs the pin to pull the plate back. A hydraulic always bottoms out inside the base of the cylinder itself.

@ronmiller4865 5 месяцев назад

I had the same thing , all I did was attach the end to cylinder and weld it. A lot cheaper

@m16ty Год назад

Those stops are really made for a single acting cylinder, they shouldn't have hydraulic force against them or things like this happen. It's a old video so I'm sure you've got it fixed now, but I would just weld the yoke on the rod. Welding isn't ideal, but the cylinder is junk otherwise so you don't loose anything by welding it.

@amerikanstafford Год назад

On top of the axe drill a hole and also through the cylinder where the thread is and fastens the ax to the cylinder with a screw.The screw must extend through the ax and cylinder and the nut must be inserted.The screw must be such that the ax has air on the cylinder and it must not be tight on the cylinder.The roller should only pull the ax back but when the ax is pushed forward there is no load.I hope you understand what I mean because I don't speak English very well.

@hellohun7331 7 лет назад

Drill the hole in the end piece thru , if not already thru and weld it from the back side.

@ryanolander457 3 года назад

Great video just subscribed

@tyrrellroach5872 5 лет назад

Live and learn. You may be able to drill a whole for a pin in that cylinder and foot and just in them together or even weld it in place at least it would still be usable till the cylinder failed

@darrylwbraun 7 лет назад

There is no way that should have happened. That cylinder should be able to lift or pull it's load without failing. What if you'd used that cylinder for a front end loader and you were using it to retract and rotate a bucket full of sand. If you overload the cylinder it should simply stall, not come apart. In other words... you did nothing wrong.

@mikesharon6868 7 лет назад

Darryl Braun that is why u dont use a threaded rod end. A drilled rod is the only choice for an application like this

@billwalls2196 6 лет назад

Darryl Braun has

@_P0tat07_ 6 лет назад

I agree. Hydraulic cylinders are designed to push and pull with a lot of force. It could be a manufacturing defect in the piston and the linkage, which unfortunately, manufacturing defects do happen. Nothing’s perfect. I’m going to say it likely wasn’t entirely the stroke length clips that solely caused it. When the cylinder returns to its seated position it jacks up the pressure causing a valve to open which disengages the feed. Or, that’s how my splitter works anyway. Maybe his splitter didn’t have it?

@bryancromwell9625 6 лет назад

Completely agree, no way this should have occurred

@frodehau 6 лет назад

Sorry, loaders have a trough pin or are welded.

@dorhocyn3 9 лет назад

clean both sides of the threads with brake clean and compressed air then use a bunch of Red locktite. or do what that other person said and put a pin in it..... i like the pin idea...

@lgnigh 3 года назад

Where did you get the 4 way splitter?

@williamscoggin1509 2 года назад

Excuse me, I might just be thinking outside the box here, but the best way to work easier and not harder and not put so much strain on your back is to not have a log splitter sitting sideways that you have to pick the chunk of wood up up the ground to even get it on to being split. 🤔 All of me and My genius buddies used upright splitters or you just roll the piece of tree trunk over to it and he usually stand it up on one end. Just saying.... 😉

@memyself3275 6 лет назад

Ive used those cylinder stops for years. Chances are something happened to this machine before you bought it off of CL.

@Eagles0690 6 лет назад

I think that what messed those threads up, was not what you did, but poor design. That cylinder putting pressure on those threads is, I believe, what damaged them. Like someone else that commented said, it should have been pined. The oil drain is good👍

@CPUDOCTHE1 6 лет назад

That should not have happened. My guess is the clamping bolt came loose or one of the threads was defective from the factory. If you want to fix it your self, get some thin aluminum, brass, or copper sheet. Loosen the bolt, wrap the metal around the threaded shaft and screw the yoke on. Clamp the bolt down tight. You should be good to go, maybe event with the spacers. Or you could get lock tite and use that. Make sure you clamp it tight. If all else fails, you could extend the cylinder all of the way and have a friendly neighbor hood welder weld the yoke on. In the worse case, you would have to replace the cylinder. If you do a "permanent" fix, like weld the yoke on, you may want to rebuild the cylinder first, to get maximum life out of the cylinder.

@tombo552001 6 лет назад

You might try using a oil squirt can to fill the engine.

@Miv-cu1yt 6 лет назад

Why don't you weld the end back on the hydraulic ram?

@jhitt79 6 лет назад

My splitter has the wedge on the ram. I much prefer it that way! Why would anyone design the splitter so it moves the piece of wood past where you are standing on to the ground. Or in this case on the add on table. Either way you're still moving out of position to grab the wood and bring it back to possibly rotate for another split.

@woodturnerr8912 3 года назад

Ford vs Chevy vs Mopar. Each user has a preference in the type of splitter they use. Each type has pros and cons.

@joesalazar770 Год назад

Simple fix weld it back on ten minutes and it will never do that again the other end still disassembles if needed.

@forestnfren8146 2 года назад

damn bro. that honestly sucks. i wonder how they even sell those collars - but at least you swallowed your pride at tried to help others from making the same mistake

@popswrench2 8 лет назад

GREAT ChAINSAW thoe :) i have a ruff , old 020 running well , also

@jaybirdclark7645 6 лет назад

No rethread the end of the cylinder with coarser threads they make a apparatus to put in the end of the hole of splitter or plug weld drill it and retap the hole I wished I was close by I help u out and save u sum bucks it just let go at the weakest point

@eugenewillsey2135 7 лет назад

the threads looked all mangled .I don't believe the end of the ram should be threaded . rather drilled to put a pin in. that would match a hole in the ram end piece . that's the modification I would try before buying a new ram.

@CTSCAPER 7 лет назад

When I took it to the dealer they said they didn't think it was all my fault the ram fell off. There were cracks in the ram that had rust on them. The pin idea is a popular solution. I usually think inside the box for better or worse.

@johnfranklin4038 7 лет назад

Yeah, a SOFT pin so it shears instead of pulling so hard it damages the end of the cylinder :).

@Long_Boring_Days 5 лет назад

Am I the only one that died laughing?

@HubertofLiege 4 года назад

Kurtis & Stuff nope, I laughed too

@SeriousSchitt 3 года назад

Did you die? What did that feel like?

@alexduke5402 5 лет назад

I could have told you that would happen threaded Pistons are made for pushing not pulling

@SeriousSchitt 4 года назад

You're too good a chap to have that happen to you. At any rate, you won't catch me using them, no matter what type of ram I'm running with. Thanks.

@garywinters2282 4 года назад

Did you ever do an update video on this?

@emmaziegler6647 6 лет назад

Your wood splitter ram is designed to push not pull ,it would have have worked fine with a welded end .they are used in farming on seeders and work fine.your ram is of lite construction for a splitter

@thisisconstruction. 5 лет назад

Should just use some brass pipe.. That way it won't dry and crack. Or get tangled on anything. Use a T so one end is up and one is down. Filling and emptying.

@bowlweevil4161 6 лет назад

most splitter valves have an adjustable cylinder return pressure valve on them too high a pressure on return is not necessary so turn the valve down until it will just trip the control valve on return, that cylinder should have not come apart at rated pressure, defective cylinder pin it or weld it

@nikkiteachout4561 7 лет назад

your cylinder and the yoke were not tight enough. them things work great if there machine is put togather properly that thread on ram end is a joke you can see it had been loose for some time. drill and pinned style is much stronger.

@bubblegump5410 6 лет назад

I have welded them on before= works fine

@hydraulicshop69 4 года назад

It's not the stroke adjusters the clevis was loose don't need to drill and pin or weld just make sure it's tight

@HeltonLogging 8 лет назад

rethread it or weld it on

@jasondreckmann3396 6 лет назад

Thomas Helton welding on a hydrolic cylinders shaft is usually only a temporary fix, ive never seen it hold up very long. In a pinch its fine, but I would never reccomend it on any equipment where the operator is in close proximity to cylinder.

@asherdie 6 лет назад

Jason Dreckmann many factory cylinder ends are welded on. You know nothing.

@matthewbolton4289 6 лет назад

drilll and pin much easier. taps and dies that size are $$

@markw2266 5 лет назад

I don't think you did anything wrong. If you got a log really jammed you would need to chain it off using the threads the same way for a back pull.

@nicholascremato 7 лет назад

I don't see how the control rings did that?

@oisinhayes8761 7 лет назад

can you please tell me what type hydraulic pump you have on it

@trevorwilson5461 7 лет назад

weld it 6010 one eighth rod reverse cycle.you will get good penatration from the oil and paint.

@josipvrbanec5 8 лет назад

Well,you could just put big logg under one wheel when you're exchanging oil and puting new one

@tkguyok 8 лет назад

Well, how did everything go?

@spastek5351 6 лет назад

Those stroke limiters are meant to go inside the ram.

@garywesterman6347 4 года назад

Take it to a welding shop they can fix it. Your ram need's a kick out pin that your collar hit's. We have them on our farm equiment

@lordrichard8184 6 лет назад

I’d drill a hole and try a set screw in the pusher head. If that doesn’t work. I’d then just weld it on and be done with it. Much cheaper and easier then buying a new piece

@dhillmjex1 7 лет назад

you don't really need those spacers on that do ya. just reduces your log length by 4 inches. those spacers are ment for setting depth of an implement . preferably a single action ram.

@chadgronsten9023 7 лет назад

Just let of the lever a little quicker....Those cylinder stops are for setting cylinder travel on farm equipment like a disc or chisel.

@justinchurch2366 5 лет назад

Cool intro.

@bottledo1 6 лет назад

It's Anyway not Anyways look it up no such word as ANYWAYS it's ANYWAY. Great video enjoyed it very much!

@CTSCAPER 6 лет назад

It's slang. Glad you enjoyed the video. Anyways I gotta go.

@paulc.andrew872 5 лет назад

Have used those ram control collars for years and never had a problem but then I have always used domestic made machinery not junk from Asia.

@SeriousSchitt 4 года назад

'Domestic made machinery' is quickly but surely becoming extremely hard to find. I bought a brand new Honda GX690 V Twin 22HP engine, believing that to be made in Japan, and it too was made in the dreaded China. I also bought a Haldex 28 GPM pump, believing it was definitely made in the States, only to now believe it's made in PRC. Since long, we've all support 'Made In China' (except me, perhaps you, and very few like us) now we're all reaping the negative rewards as a result (including us)!