Logan Stieber vs. Tony Ramos: 2013 NCAA title match (133 lbs.) 

hell yea

Grew up wrestling with Tony in Illinois, and I agree with everything you just said.

Was very close to a pin though. But yea def two backs n logan is the homie... What u think about the last second controversial no call his 1st title

Never realized it before, but he did..had a 2 count AFTER holding him there.

You dont know how the rest plsys out if Ramos is awarded the 2.

Ramos had 2 near fall and Oliver should of had 2 takedown

Would not matter. He still would have won

No doubt

@@nathanaeldavid6238 but he didn’t win lol

You can hear Brands yell “ you son of a bitch” as he’s running up the the mat lmao

@@nathanaeldavid6238 No, match changes dynamics when there is back points awarded, as they should have been, and no breaks for the wrestlers. Emotions, tight match

It's our pleasure! More to come.

It’s good to watch them back for when your bored and just wanna watch some old wrestling.

Xenonmaster 666 yeah that’s why I watched this match. But it’s just like watching a Rocky Marciano match. Rocky Marciano is widely known as the only undefeated heavyweight champion, so you know he’s gonna win, but you watch him for entertainment or for lessons on boxing. That’s kinda how it is here

Tony had the near fall

@@michaelgorogianis8571 Yeah, I’ll admit he probably should’ve got near fall, but I don’t know if it would’ve been enough to win

@@ianshue2890 it would have changed the dynamic of the match

To clarify, he was pinned clearly. It's a quicker call than in HS, and be is clearly flat and done at 7:45. Ramos should have been a two-time champion.

@@mariofreak9660 at 5:04 Ramos had 2 backs they didn’t call it either

@@mariofreak9660 As much as I like Ramos and his energy, he did lose this match. That pin call wasn’t really in the question and while the backs were definitely there, Stieber still would have won.

I think Ramos got 2 NF here (these were clearer imo than the ones Ramos got against Graff in the finals the following year), but you can't say for sure Ramos would have won. I still think Stieber would have had the advantage. But the Oliver non-call was downright criminal. As someone who had no dog in that fight, it was a blown call of epic proportions.

Ya he definitely stands out in the 4 timer group and not in a good way.

Y’all sleepin on the work he did in freestyle too he has 61kg wins over beka lomtadze and Benham eshanpour and at 65kg had great matches with Chamizo and Romanov, Logan was low key world class up under everyone nose

Well let’s see technically they robbed Oliver & robbed Ramos so…

@@Ur2ez4me81 Ramos would have lost in the end but JO definitely was robbed. Logan was still extremely dominant, he was putting up retherford like numbers. However, he was a tweener in terms of weight and his style just didn’t translate as well to the international level.

I genuinely don’t understand thinking he was pinned. Near fall points yes. Pin? Absolutely not.

@Kieran McGuire 1 second is not collegiate, one second is freestyle or greco, in no folkstyle division is 1 second a pin. And incase you want some credentials im a D1 commit as of this year. Still though I love how peaceful and calm your discussion was, god bless!

@@mikejay1385 Art. 1. Fall. A fall occurs when any part of both shoulders or part of both scapulae of either wrestler is held in contact with the mat for *one second.* The one-second count (one-thousand-one) shall be a silent count by the referee and shall start only after the referee is in position to observe that a fall is imminent. (See Table 4.11.1.) From the NCAA wrestling rulebook. Perhaps you should maybe read it if you're a D1 commit, no?

I was looking for this comment, Steiber got some much luck in 3 of his titles. No one may ever get as lucky as he was in NCAA wrestling ever again.

The Brands brothers are elite and some of the best out there but it seems like they feed the hot hand. Ramos was the guy, then Dan Denis came along and it seemed like the Brands’ brushed Ramos aside. Then Gilman was the guy, then Gilman left for PSU/NLWC because Spencer Lee became the guy. I cannot speak all that poorly of the Brands’ as they represent Iowa very well, they produce great talent and I don’t see any of the behind the scenes info. I can only go off of what the wrestlers speak of in interviews. There is a trend that past wrestlers feel as though the Brands’ do indeed feed the hot hand. When the Brands’, specifically Tom, are asked about this kind of stuff happening they tend to avoid the topic.

stieber won 4

@@landobaggins4023 I know he got his arm raised 4 times. But I’m saying that both he and Jordan Oliver won 3 national titles. LOL

@@andizzyJD12 Jordan Oliver won 2