Working mainly on audio track, with groups that have 3 to 8 close-harmonized voices, I simply cannot imagine to go back to manually cut and paste chunks of different takes, fading in and out each chunk and so on. The "comping takes" feature in Logic is a something that i simply cannot work without. For me it would mean to go back ten years.
For tracking, mixing and mastering, Luna just sounds incredibly good. For the creative stage, I prefer using Ableton Live. Think of Ableton or Logic as your jamming tool, and Luna as the Studio you go to with a finished track for mixing and mastering.
That's exactly how music software should be organized. One-stop DAWs are jack of all trades but definitely master of none. It's such a waste to wait for proper workflow features these apps parading as an all-in-one package. Most of them slowly but steadily become defocused from their main vision. They add new features instead of perfecting the ones already available - that's what the industry of the developer if it wants to keep up. It's nonsense. Let's go modular with audio apps.
I'm straddling between Logic and LUNA. I am still recording, arranging, and editing in Logic, and then doing stem mixes in LUNA. I found it a struggle to get used to new editing commands in LUNA, but that just takes time and experience. I did invest in the API summing and a few other UA plugins, and now they have some of their plugins available by subscription that do not require the Apollo hardware. LUNA is getting better, but I don't get the feeling at all that UA is trying to compete with Logic. They probably consider Logic a "toy" and they are going after ProTools users, IMO. I would love to use LUNA 100%, but as your video points out very well, there are still some serious shortcomings for people using Logic to crossover completely. Nice job!
Thanks for watching! Yes it took me a few weeks of serious research to learn all the LUNA commands 😂. LUNA is definitely fun and is getting better with each update!
Even Pete Thorn hasn't moved over from Logic yet. His workflow is very fluid in Logic.He has deadlines every week. He is a UA guy and likes the sound of Luna but his bread and butter demands efficient use of time. Most of us don't have that situation, so we are left to pull our hair out as we go down the rabbit hole and nod off to boring tutorial videos, inching our way along, learning a new DAW. I'm going to have to get back on coffee...damn!
@@allenlocke1935 I totally get it. I have since moved back to logic due to issues with LUNA… it is going to be a great DAW one day! And it really is a lot of fun to use.
Reaper has been sample rate agnostic since 2006 because like Luna the mixer is decoupled from the track engine, so they work independently to allow you to switch sampling rates on the fly without speed changes in the playback files. I wish all DAWs would move to this feature since it just makes working easier and I'm all for making sessions super easy!
@@coreystopperan9555 I disagree, LUNA is so encapsulated with the UAD system. Maybe the Native stuff will change things but it's still not changing the impedance of the interface. But REAPER is superb, many professional recordists are using it now, recording out to multiple drives for safety backups for example. Try doing that in another DAW.
I have been using Logic predominantly, but have started introducing Luna in my workflow towards the end of the mix... and I agree with everything that is being said here.
Speaking of gain, I’m surprised that for a home recording channel, the volume of your voice in your videos is pretty low. I always have to crank the volume to hear you properly. Otherwise, love your informative vids, and I’m gonna give Luna a try. Just switched to Apollo from RME 2 weeks ago, and the heritage plugins included with my new interface are pleasantly incredible. First time using UAD plug ins and I’m in love!
Just what I was looking for! I just stumbled upon your channel and this topic was top of mind, as I’m a 20+ year Logic guy. My strategy with UAD has been to divest of outboard gear/racks in favour of UAD emulations and the Unison pre-amps, so I was excited about Luna and tried it briefly. I find Logic is musician oriented, whereas Luna is studio oriented like ProTools. I used to record acoustic drums, guitars and amps, but with virtual instruments and samplers, acoustic recording is down to about 15%. It seems to depend on your genre focus. I see hip hop/pop/beats producers using Ableton and similarly creators using Logic. Luna is probably not for them. However, studio producers working with a variety of genres and artists might prefer Luna. After my trial, I realized I’d have to up my investment in UAD plugins, channel strips, etc. In a way, Luna is marketing strategy for UAD.
@@HomeRecordingNetwork I really like Luna. It is the main reason I haven't replaced my Apollo and relied solely on my Satellite for running UA plugins.
@@musiccreation1198 glad to hear! Since the last update I have had major issues… I will be posting a video soon. I love it too but unfortunately it has given me huge problems recently because some of my plug-in providers don’t support it.
I Record, Edit and Mix in LUNA, but Master and do Surgical Edits and Bounce in LOGIC. I LOVE LUNA, but still like the convenience of some of the features in Logic.
Great content here. I’m a long time Logic user and am considering doing some work in Luna, having downloaded it when it came out and being an Apollo guy. Thanks for sharing. I definitely subbed and am looking forward to digging deeper into your content. 🙏
Imo, Luna is the best looking DAW. It's got that inspiring analog studio interface, similar to Reason Racks. However, feaure wise it's not great. it's held up by UAD plug in's, if you're invested in their system. Studio One is still king of workflow, options and features imo, especially where it matters in the arrangement window and the mixer.
No DAW makes your music sound better...it all depends on your gears and skills and tools...and finally, your choice. If you like something, you will always like it even if they look horrible. I use Logic, Pro Tools, Reason, Studio One, and a host of other DAWs for different purposes and none of them is perfect in any way.
Made the switch a few years ago.... no regrets.We need multiTrack recording for virtual instruments i.e Drums.I find myself using Ezy Drummer 3 in logic, then transfer those stems to Luna
9:35 - so, you actually don't have to type that in haha you can click and drag up or down to raise or lower the gain. Just wanted to let you and others know if you didn't already!
I’m a logic user and Luna is still not up to par from being as good in my opinion. First M1 compatibility is an issue, and not having comp recording like Logic is a huge miss by UAD. Hopefully it will be coming soon.The did add hardware controller capability which is good. Until then, Logic it’s still a better option for my studio
@@HomeRecordingNetwork is Luna still a bit clunky? I found it was crashing on me quite a bit but that was ages ago. I guess I should give it a try again and see what’s what. I just find using logic for so many years to be the fastest and most efficient way to work. Especially with editing and automation
I haven't had it crash once. Yea I was in the same boat as you. It was strange switching after using logic for 15 years. I put a lot of work into learning it lol. I actually like the editing more in LUNA!
Long time Logic user -- I began using Luna, but it's just not ready to replace Logic yet for me because I'm an ITB guy with massive VST instruments. But what Luna is great for is MIXING! The tape sims and summing is amazing. Nothing else can do that. It is really hard to go back to mixing on any other DAW after you get a Luna session with a tape sim on EVERY TRACK you want! Then add API and Neve summing (which are extensions, not plugins) and it is soooooooo sweet! And the workflow is smooth and easy. Two problems: the font is too damned small, and THERE IS NO UNDO HISTORY! Major flaw in a modern DAW. But there will be one added this year and it's not a deal breaker. Oh, and the Unison tracking is awesome for recording live instruments like you mentioned.
Thanks for the comment my man! Yes I think UAD will definitely be there some day! It is just so new. I too am loving LUNA for tracking and mixing. I still love logic as well though! Cheers!
Acustica Audio Plug-ins all come with ZERO LATENCY versions included - so if your computer is powerful enough their software works with every DAW. So you can record through their emulations of high end gear
You may want to edit/re-upload the edited video in that section where you say it “requires an Apollo interface”. It is now free for all Mac users for a while now.
That ARM feature is just a marketing thing. In Logic you can record with zero latency when you have a apollo thru console. Its the same. And when you arm an instruments in Luna it just changes the buffersize to 128 in the background. You can find the information in the manuals on uad homepage. Luna is slow and buggy and after 2 years it has still a long way to go. And the plugins are to expensive. I mean just compare what you get in logic for 200 bucks.
I can't say that I have extensive experience with either one - my main DAW has been Reaper, Reason and Cubase for years - but I have full licenses to LUNA and Logic. What I can say is that I've tried to get into Logic so many times but I simply can't get the workflow to work - it's so strange, many people like it a lot, but I can't get almost a sound out of this DAW. But with LUNA it took me 10 minutes of orientation and I can imagine producing an album with this DAW. The only obvious thing that sticks out for me is the lack of decent comping but that will be surely added in the coming releases at some point. The workflow in LUNA with the console style mixer is just fantastic. I found it incredibly intuitive, musical and it assisted in making more creative choices - for example because of the console strip, I tried using a gate on a drum buss and the resulting was super interesting. I can imagine becoming a better musician with LUNA.
Actually LUNA is not the only one (or first) which allows mixing different sample rates. Reaper has done that long time and does that fluently. Only thing you notice is a little mark on the imported audio-clip in case you want to know something has been done. :)
If you want to compose very fast, logic, studio one, fl studio etc are the best. For mixing luna is grate but you can achieve all you're saying in any Daw
Great video. I think it depends on what you do. If you only record and mix. Luna sounds awesome but for arranging you might have to look elsewhere. Unfortunately I am not sold on the closed architecture of UA. Like Apple, if you do not have the hardware, to bad... Otherwise I would've taken Luna for a spin to see if it's more stable and less CPU hungry than Reaper.
I left Logic and will be hard pressed to ever return. A few months ago I jumped in with PreSonus Studio One. Its a beast and has every single good point covered here between both Luna and Logic and then some. Some don’t care for Studio One’s high learning curve but if you stick with it you’ll be rewarded. Its definitely a bigger field these days. You’ve got Jacob Collier swearing by FL Studio, Dan Worrall swearing by Reaper and many of the old guard still in Pro Tools. Lots of options today. Thanks for the video. I just may have to try Luna for fun. 🤓
Thanks for watching! Man… I keep hearing studio one come up… I might have to try it out! Seriously… everyone is raving about it! I have never heard a bad thing about it! Have a good one bud.
I couldn't agree more! Studio One is just the best imo. And i dont think the learning curve is high.. the software is pretty interactive and easy to use.
For rock/metal, the only amp sim you really need is the Friedman BE-100, the Suhr SE-100 or the Marshall 2203 amps. All of the others kinda suck. Anyways, you only need to buy one as you’re using it for monitoring.
Truth be told...I did a mix in Studio One...bounced everything out with all fx's...put the same mix in Luna and copied the exact master buss chain...Luna actually beat it out with the same exact settings...something is different in the processing in Luna.
If there’s hidden processing happening on the individual channels yes. Otherwise long debunked claim with all daws. Harrison included. Possible different presets. Otherwise it’s just data
Reaper can also import/record at different sample rates in a single session. Alchemy and other Logic stock effects are among the best I have ever heard. I still use them even though I have hundreds of 3rd party plugins. Luna is also missing major features like multi-output functions and as you mention - low latency monitoring thru 3rd party plugins.
@@HomeRecordingNetwork 40 reports that it wasn't relevant and was 'attempting' to pull Logic users to use Luna instead. I had to continually stop the facebook admin assistant from deleting it anyway. I actually didn't mind the discussion - but it probably makes more sense in a UA or Luna group. I run two of those as well.
Thanks for the thought provoking comparison! There is no question for me. Look at what you get for a couple of hundred. Logic drummer included. My Superior Drums 3 was WAY more in price. the latency of 3rd party plugs is Awful, as I discovered last night with 'Archetype Gojira" and so little in the way of preferences to control such things. Also it crashes, as I found out last night. The lack of sensible saving protocols means overwriting files can be EASILY done, which is NEVER a good thing in a professional setup. for me it is a stable and now mature DAW vs a new still in Beta DAW.
im using Gojira and never had any issues. never had much in terms of latency either with 3rd party plugs. maybe youre setting your oversampling too high or dont have your buffer size set correctly.
I've really enjoyed using Luna for the last 6 months, but I'm moving back to Logic...and selling my UA gear. Being "imprisoned" within proprietary dsp hardware in order to use a daw? No thank you.
@@HomeRecordingNetwork Sure, they work great. No way, no how are they worth the $$. DSP systems are only needed by a tiny group of people in 2022. If you own a 2021 / 2022 Mac, you can track / monitor with plugins ... no dsp required. Food for thought: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-siAZHdGAWwo.html --and-- ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-aBD9OA71-_M.html Key moment in video above: @11:10ish I will not invest in UA's dsp hardware. I just ordered the Mac Studio Max with 32gb ram & 1TB ssd. $2200. It runs circles around UA satellites.
instead of using a stereo bus to make mono stereo couldn't you just copy the mono track and combine them in a stereo one? Good video I'm tempted to check Luna out (Logic + Ableton user). A small critique on the video though, the nervous head shaking is really making me a bit dizzy ;-)
Thanks for watching! Duplicating the track would actually make the track stereo. They call that “mono stereo”. It’s not nervous head shaking lol it’s just how I am when I talk. 😂
And also Luna comes packed with bugs and a lack of lot features you take for granted in others DAWs. Duplicating a Track, great - but then wait a couple of min for Luna to recalculate the plug-ins. Each time!? Loading a project can take more than 5 min. On a iMac 2020 i10 9core with 64 GB RAM. In other DAWs the Mac doesn’t even break out in sweat.
@@HomeRecordingNetwork - for tracking its already one of the best the best for UAD owners, and it will be great someday when the bugs is crushed and the features catches up.
Luna sounds great but without being able to hybrid mix with my analog gear it’s still a pie in the sky at the moment. Luna desperately needs something like the I/O plug-in Logic offers. Why UA hasn’t addressed this by now is honestly just plain silly. They lost a customer as I’ve since ditched my Apollo and focused on higher end conversion with the Lynx Aurora (N)
Thanks for a great video, how big is Luna(mb)?Just bought apollo x8p,and think that i should run Logic pro x, and Luna sometimes.(Just ordered the new mac mini studio M1 max)
Is there a way to use more than one audio interface with Luna? For example, one UAD Luna compatible device plus a second USB audio interface? Or is it possible to sync Logic and Luna, so if for example, I had a UAD interface for all things Luna but when I need to track with my other interface I could record into Logic, then at some point just export from one daw and import to the other for final edit/mixing? I actually have a 3rd interface that is a monitor controller, so the monitor-outs from UAD and my other USB interface could easily connect to the monitor controller so monitoring would not be an issue at all in my setup.
You can feed other interfaces into your Apollo through the light pipe if your interface has that ability. I use to do it with my presonus digi max. I do find myself bouncing my Luna project and putting it into logic to add some of the logic instruments. I then bounce those tracks as audio files and throw them into Luna for mixing.
I stick with ableton live + 3rd party plugins. I’ve tinkered with Luna but I find midi implementation quite clunky and it still has bugs with some plugins. I only use it for mastering so I can use the neve summing. Exporting the stems from ableton to luna is quite a hassle so I’m not bothering. But I’m glad it’s working for you.
Luna is by far the best sounding DAW that's out there right now. I had e Logic and Pro Tools and my mixes on those two DAWS are not even close to the results of my mixes using Luna. My mixes using luna is so much easier to get the professional sound using Luna.
Im really tempted to switch ! Do you have a video of the drum comping / video comping merhods you use ? For example i miss the feature in protools when you can set “play a head” so you can always preview a few seconds back when editing Thanks
Just one comment about the gain staging, you don't need to type a number on any of those values in the regions section, you can still click and drag. That said... I would really love to have it right on the audio track lol
Also with Alt-Shift-R you can pop out the regions window to float and move around which is useful if its the only thing you want visible from that left hand window
So basically if Logic (I assume they will) implement analog behavior into their mixer and workarounds natively, puts LUNA in da grave… Thank you man for your review!
Hey, I have issues with "heavy" UAD plugins on audio tracks in Logic (such as Neve 1073, Capitol Chambers etc) being disabled. Even with only 25% DPS being used. Would this be a reason to switch over to Luna? And also the "increase you buffer size" alert message when playing tracks. I see you refer to this in your video and say Luna ignores this. Thanks for the video, useful info.
I’m not sure what is going on with your dsp but I don’t think it is a logic issue. I could be wrong though! As far as the buffer size issue, when you are mixing in LUNA it will always have a high buffer so I don’t think you would get those pop ups as much. It’s free so why not try it out!?
I always have to bump my DSP pairs in Console to the max for mixing and getting all the dsp possible. So it’s not a logic issue. Go into to console and at the bottom click on settings i believe. The dsp pairs are usually only half way on and half way towards virtual channels.
@@HomeRecordingNetwork I want to record audio from other apps. I see that I can set the virtual inputs in the midi settings but I wonder how to input more than 1 virtual audio input so i can record them separately
@@streamvoodoo6504 o I see. I don’t know how to do that either. I would join one of the LUNA groups on Facebook and ask there. Someone might have an answer for ya.
It's a bit _shady_ to say "you get what you pay for" regarding LogicPro. I remember when Logic (with their available sounds) cost over $1500!!! Now it costs $199 all-in and is _at least_ twice the application it was then! (I'd go so far to say the free Garage Band is more capable that 1999-era Logic.) Logic is inexpensive, not because it's second-rate, it's inexpensive because Apple is flush with money and can afford to give it away! It's still a world-beater application. You get *_far more_* than what you pay for! Please... Keep it real.
Dig your thoughts and there's lots to glean from your experience. Thanks. Having said that, being this close to the camera and moving your head as much as you do is actually nauseating. If you're doing it as an effect to keep the audience engaged, you might consider toning it down. On the other hand, if you have some kind of neurological issue that's causing this diskinesia...my apologies. Not trying to be a dick.
lol no neurological issue… just me being me. For future reference, If you are not trying to be a dick, just don’t say anything. This video gets a lot of views everyday so I must have done something right! 😂
Their plugins are way to expensive and running on 10+ year old dsp chips. I have them to but do not use them a lot anymore. The Apollo interface has a name but for the money you can get better ones.
@@gwsound i got a focusrite 18i8 3rdGen with pretty sweet drivers my latency settings have been locked at 96 since i got + it's USB/TYPE-C so didn't have to buy a new 💻 just to use it 😂
@@gwsound I agree 100%. I and others (on YT) have done comparisons where I tested to see how many instances of a Spark plugin I can run on my CPU vs on my Octo Satellite. It's laughable. My cpu can run 4x more!! ...than a $1300 UA satellite . There was a time when UA was leading...and dsp made a lot sense. It just ain't true anymore. Anyone want to buy my UA gear? ;). RME, Motu, Audient == better.
There’s no difference between 96 and 48 … why do people keep saying that ? I agree with everything else I too am a Logic / Luna user . But I’ve recently watched a professional debunk the 96 vrs 48 myth . There’s nothing that’s better but of course do what works for you . There was a sign wave test tone test done and it blew me away .
Your Crazy!!!! I own an Apollo 8, Apollo 8XP, Apollo Twin, and a Quad Satellite. This is a very BAD idea. LUNA is not even done. The MIDI within LUNA is GOD AWFUL. Not to mention They call it free but to use any function on it You have to drop money. Sounds like a DLC to me they should have made video games. That's not being out for the Consumer at all. That's a Cash Grab. When UA updates a plugin, they take Your plugin call it Legacy and make you pay FULL PRICE for the new updated one that came out. I will not Purchase the API Vision Console that should be free or the API and Neve Summing Plugins that should be free with LUNA. Don't make a DAW Your already nickel and diming us with in every direction then charge for it after the fact. Logic for the WIN!!! by Far.
You are too interesting to listen to, to have that stupid background noise running. It's annoying. I know everybody is doing it, but eventually, it does'nt make sense.
Logic beats Luna hands down. Luna is an incomplete audio software project. If you want to torture yourself, use Luna. If you want to make great music, use battle tested software like Logic.
I tend to agree with this now lol. Check out my other video on the bugs I encountered with the latest LUNA update. LUNA is for sure fun. But logic is more stable.
