Seriously your analysis has been the best I’ve seen for the G923. You are very adept at explaining what makes it work and the benefits and drawbacks. Looking forward to your next video. 👌
Thanks for watching and commenting. I'm glad you found it informative. I put a lot of time and effort into videos. So it's very motivating to hear someone found it helpful!
@@BallisticTech I have a G923 and next level cockpit also the shifter unopened. I want to do an unboxing from the perspective of a total noob lol. Any recommendations for that?
I got my first wheel yesterday at the age of 40 idk how people use these wheels, i guess it takes getting use to. I am having the most trouble with the brake it is so hard to push it all the way down, also i think my cockpit isn't the best.
Ayyye Logitech.... He just sold me your wheel. First person that was able to articulate Truforce and the key differences between this and the previous generation. Well done man.
Some advice , we all start with a logitech wheel , but end up with thrusrmaster or fanatec , I kinda wish I got thrustmaster straight away , you will find that youll want a GT3 type wheel or the sparco wheel etc and the thrustmaster wheel price is great for adding wheels on a payday and Logitech is quite limited to some only only mods you can buy and fanatec is more for bragging rights unless your a pro sim driver ...but thrustmaster is about to release a full fledged f1 wheel with carbon fibre and LCD display! .its a great wheel (G920 to G923 ) either way mate 👍
@@Fizzglg hmm that’s strange, to me Logitech feels like a toy, the rattling ffb, gear slipping it’s unbearable to me. I had a g29 for 2 years now and I could never play for long periods cos I would be disappointed with the way ffb is done. You get the geary feel when turning, ffb is not smooth. I’m getting a csl dd soon so hopefully that will be me set for 5+ years.
same here, can get these at a really good price here too (standard listings are around R10k, one of our pc e commerce sites here has them at R7k with free shipping nation wide)
Oh nice. Glad you are enjoying it. We sometimes put so much pressure on ourselves to pick the best or find the best deal we lose site of the goal of having fun with our tech. Happy driving!
Just tried it myself. ACC really makes use of this wheel. Superb! Although, just got my wheel yesterday and I can't stop playing Project Cars. Incredible game. Those are so good they should work out something about licensing and relist. They deserve to be played for years to come.
I’ve been going back and forth between this or spending more money I don’t want to on a more expensive wheel. I know this wheel isn’t perfect but you’re the first reviewer that has actually reviews this based on its merits and not just immediately said it sucked cause it’s not a direct drive wheel. You sold me on this wheel. Thanks!
Glad you found the video helpful. Like you said the wheel has its flaws. Not much of an upgrade path or ecosystem. Pretty old gear FFB system. Trueforce is probably nowhere as good on this wheel as it is on the new Logitech DD. But this is a full wheel and pedals set for as low as like $350 but usually closer to $400. If you don't think the trueforce is worth it then there's still the less expensive g29/g920. But overall I think the wheel is more than good enough to have a lot of fun racing.
@@wolfboy20 Enjoy your wheel and races man! Have as much fun as you can with it. If/When you start to outgrow it you can start looking at upgrades. But this wheel can take you pretty far/deep into the Sim Racing world.
You are the only reviewer that ive seen that doesnt completely trash on this wheel. Everyone else says "oh yeah this wheel is just a re skin and its cheap and the g29 is wayyy better." Or "this doesnt compare to my fanatec"
Thanks for watching. It is what it was. And it's not what a lot of people wanted to see from Logitech. But is still want to talk about it's merit and some of its short comings. I don't want to trash a product b/c it's what ppl want to hear. I just want to give ppl info so they can decide I've since used the Thrustmaster T300, Fanatec CSL Elite and VRS DFP. I'll say that True force does add something to the experience but it's not for everyone and still isn't supported in a lot of games. Generally a more expensive wheel base will be a better experience. But I don't think that's news to anyone.
Best review I’ve seen of this wheel, a nicely nuanced presentation of how it differs from the older Logitech wheels. I just subscribed in hopes you’ll be doing more sim hardware reviews and comparisons.
to everyone looking forward to buying this thing, This is an awesome product dont worry about the table clamps the are lile glued to the table and the pedals feel amazing the only thing is that the vibration can make some noice but thats it
Thank you so much for such a detailed review and comparison!!! Helped me make the decision between the g29 and g923 for a starter wheel. Definitely going for the g923
Don’t spend that much on a Logitech man. That price tag just doesn’t add up for what it is. If you can find one for like 200$ that would be a reasonable price.
@@princegroove that’s what I have now. Spend the extra 200$ you’ll thank yourself. And I mean I understand not everyone has the extra 200$. But if you can come up with 400$ you can have some patience and come up with another 200 for a far superior wheel. Even the belt driven t300-500 are way better then this “new” Logitech, and theyre 10 years old lol. Logitech just took a old ass wheel slapped a new name on it and re selling it 😂
I just got a brand new g923 for $280usd and gt lite and playing gt7 with ps5 on lg cx is omg for real crazy fun. As the gt lite is quite a lite duty cockpit the vibrations of the true force go through the whole seat. My first wheel and I dont see me upgrading and time soon this is more than enough
Thanks for watching. Yeah the if the G920 seems like the right wheel for you that's great. It's why Logitech is still offering the G29/G920 as well as the G923. You have choice!
I've been thinking about switching from controller to Sim racing wheel But I didn't know which direction I wanted to go. So thanks for your video my guy it was super super helpful🤙👍
If you have an old G29/G920 or G27 or G25 you can open it up and add fresh lithium grease to the gear mechanism. It will make it feel brand new again and more quiet.
I bought this wheel because of your video man. Great job, everything I wanted to know about it was in here. Keep up the great content, I will be subbing to help push your content to more people
I´d love for them to drop the damn geardriven and switch to belt driven at least for a bit more of smoothness and bit more of torque... the extra tech is very good but the rattling, to me, is unsettling.But Awsome review, well explained and covered every aspect of the product i honestly think there is nothing else to be said after this review. pristine job, mate.
For this gen it seems like iteration was there goal. Which it has been for quite a while now. They are putting focus into eSports but a lot of it is still in the entry-level. Hopefully if the interest in Sim Racing continues to grow they'll see the necessary potential market to expand their products and do some major changes.
thanks man, this was the most detailed and helpful review i could find anywhere. This helped me finally decide whether to buy the g920 or to shoot for the g923. Thanks a lot!
One more comment: I definitely agree with you about the G920 brake pedal. It’s not a load cell, but I think it’s pretty good for what it costs. Have you tried the old pedal with the new wheel? Might have to apply the curve in-game, but maybe it’d be a good combination.
I only watched a few minutes of throughout the video. Mostly about the pedal and the trueforce driving gameplay. I already know this is the best review and critique analysis of the wheel on youtube. I am trying to decide between this and the Thrustmaster T300 rs gt. I was originally going with the thrustmaster first, but it seems to be sold out everywhere and time is running out for Gran Turismo.
Hi I’m back again after a week. On my other comment you said what sort of content I’d like to see well can you do some f1 gameplay on either asseto corsa or f1 2019/20. Also asseto corsa compotezione that be fun anyway thx for the content keep it up 👍
I'll make sure I include some F1 games for sure. For this I tried to focus on Trueforce enabled titles. As for Asseto Corsa I mainly play ACC now. I have AC but don't play it much. But for the sake of testing I'll try to include it.
15:43 actually you can remove the deadzone if you happened to take out the black rubber thing, to remove the deadzone you just need to recalibrate your brake pedal by fully pressing down the brake pedal while you connect the usb and wait until the wheel stop spinning and ready to go
This is very informative, useful and somewhat emotional video! Your expressions regarding how doe the wheel feel in-game almost made me "feel" it too! Even though I don't have a wheel yet xD I'm only planning to buy my first wheel, and G923 seems to be a decent and reliable choice (I want to try out Dirt Rally 2.0, Forza Motorsport 7, Dirt 4 and GT 7 in future)! Thank you for your video!
Question if you could pick which should i get the g920 with the shifter for 300 or the g923 for 480 usd i am just getting my first racing sim wheel but i am going to stick with one for atleast 5 ish years
For god's sake do not pay $480 for the g923! I bought it and a Fanatec CSL Elite starter kit for about $100 more (was even the same price as the G923 during the Black Friday sale) to se which one I liked more. I could not believe how big of a difference there was! And that's not even taking into consideration how many more options for wheels, shifters, brakes etc. there is in the Fanatec eco-system. After using the Fanatec, I seriously don't think I'd even pay $100 for the G923 and I'd easily pay $800 for CSL Elite. That is how big of a difference there is between the wheels and brakes despite being somewhat similar in price. I am a Logitech fanboi for most things but their wheels that are a rip-off. If for some crazy reason you can't save up for a fanatec buy a cheap G29 and a buttkicker. The butt kicker will do the same thing as "true force" but much better. Actually, I just read your last part about wanting it for 5 years. Get a Fanatec. No question. You don't want to be stuck with a Logitech for 5 years.
Thank you for watching and commenting. It's great to hear you found the video informative. Helping people make an informed buying decision is definitely my biggest goal. I unfortunately haven't used much Fanatec gear. Especially not for extended periods. I've reached out to both Thrustmaster and Fanatec and requested to review some of their products but as my channel is small and stock is limited I don't think it's too likely. But fingers crossed. As for Fanatec VS G923. The biggest bonus for Fanatec is the ecosystem IMO. It's of course higher quality gear and also more expensive. But it gives you multiple upgrade paths with 3/4 different wheel bases (CSL, Clubsport, DD1 and DD2) and a wide variety of wheel Rims. There's also the Universal Hub which let's you use a custom wheel rim and configure things yourself. If you're on PC you can use different brand pedals and shifters with a wheel like the G923. A lot of ppl say one of the most important upgrades is pedals as braking will help improve your lap time the most. Better or different force feedback can help maximize your potential but also diminished returns in terms of being faster. Immersion and comfort is important too. Price is definitely going to be one of the biggest factors. I think the least expensive Fanatec bundle for wheel & pedals is the CSL Elite PS4 Bundle which is $550-600 USD. So I think a good question to ask is do you intend to really delve deep into sim racing? Is it going to be a bit of a casual pass-time? Or a hobby you'll put a lot of hours into? Do you think you'll eventually want to upgrade past the G923 and end up with Fanatec gear anyways? Is it worth it to you to save a while longer or allocate more budget to be in a higher tier of gear that opens up the bigger ecosystem? For some people their budget is their budget. And saving more isn't an option. A common upgrade path from the Logitech wheels on PC seems to be: 1st Better pedals (Thrustmaster T-LCM, Fanatec CSL Elite LC, or Fanatec Clubsport V3), followed by upgrading the wheel base. Also thank you for you service!
@@BallisticTech you do such a good job at communicating, if you worked for me, I would give you a 3 day pass. Ooorah! I've always been a PC racer. Started with a Red Momo Force, then a G25 that died right after the warranty expired. Switched to a Microsoft Sidewinder Force Feedback joystick for steering and the G25 pedals. The last game that worked for me with that configuration was NFS Shift 2. I had a blast running the EA sponsored Hot Lap Series for Shift and Shift 2. I'm looking to get back into racing as a hobby. From what I've seen, there is a marked difference between the FFB feel of the G923 and a Fanatec CS Elite belt drive. I wonder if the Fanatec pedals without a load cell are comparable to the G923 pedals with the progressive spring.
I've had both. Buy Fanatec. It's seriously not even close and anybody who has used both will tell you that. The added strength and belt drive add a night and day difference. Yeah, it's more expensive but easily worth it. So much more immersive and easier to determine the limits of the tires as the strength can dynamically move as move up and down as you push more or less G's (not to mention this makes things like S turns so much more fun!). Logitech's strength is binary. It is either softly pulling in one direction or it's not. I can't overstate how much difference this adds to the experience. After using Fanatec wheels, I honestly don't think I'd even pay $100 for any of Logitech's wheels. I race for a couple hours each night and am addicted to iRacing. Had just a Logitech wheel at my brother's house for a bit and I couldn't even bring myself to play it was such an extreme step down. Ended up buying A CSW 2.5 for his house over the holidays and I'm back to playing every night again. If you have the means, step up to a wheel with at least 6nm of force (CSL Elite is probably the best value), you won't regret it.
I primarily play on PC and got the Playstation Version. The Playstation version has 2 more buttons. And I would like to play the new Gran Turismo soon. Most of the Xbox exclusive racing games like Forza will also be on PC.
"7 Wide" and "Fast In Slow Out" are two of Dan Suzuki's slogans. He's a really cool Sim Racer. Check him out if you haven't already. Thanks for watching all the way through!
What was the chair you was using in the video, I've just got the g923 true force wheel and a racing stand, with wheel tray, wonder if that chair is good enough for driving, thank you
Very interesting review, thank you! I think I’ll wait for the black friday to find a G29/G920 for my first wheel at hopefully around 150 € (without shifter) like it happened in the last years. The G923 is nice but too expensive (375 € here on Amazon) to justify the improvements, it’s the same price as a T300 RS GT which is apparently superior in multiple ways especially the FFB (even if it has no Trueforce, but haven’t tried it I would guess a better FFB without Trueforce is better than a worse FFB with Trueforce), aside from reliability and feeling.
Glad you found the video informative. I'm not here to sell anyone any particular wheel. Providing viewers with the info they need to make the best decision they can is my goal. Cheers!
@@BallisticTech Well I think you achieved your goal! This video helped me make my mind, and it’s great to have a genuine opinion about like the new brake pedal being a bit worse to you, because of what you explained about the pressure control being more precise. 👌
@@kaoe145 Okay. This comment was 5 months ago though and these were the common prices found at the time. The G923 is 320 € today with shifter on Amazon.fr, and it’s still expensive considering it’s more expensive than the T300RS GT.
I took out the rubber stopper, but then I just ended up using the clutch as brake anyways since f1 uses the paddles with no clutch.(G920) Not sure if this was smart workaround but its what I got cuz that brake with the rubber in, renders the entire pedal system unusable without actually mounting it to something.
Are the brake pedals the same in terms of force need to press? I tried the G920 before and the brake was super hard to press down because of the rubber stopper in the pedal assembly. Tried the F1 2020 game and would press the brake and would barely stop. Just wondering how far down the brake pedal can be pressed.
I go into pretty good detail around 14:24. With any pedal you can calibrate it with drivers or in game so the farthest you're able to press down the pedal will equate to 100% braking.
Man, I have a G920 and was suffering with the brake pedal with all racing games (Forza, ACC, PC, F1, etc). I took off the little rubber from the brake pedal and my experience has changed for the better, no more knee pain, stable driving and more consistent with lap times. Even though ballistic tech does not recommend taking it off (but replacing with softer rubber), try it out... It is a game changer.
All Logitech pedals and stick shifters are compatible. I have a G27 and both the pedals and shifter work on the G29 as well as the G920. I’m assuming they also work with the latest G923.
Great video, really informative thanks, im having issues with my g923 for PlayStation, it worked great then the 2pin plug got disconnected from the power pack whilst in use and I reconnected, the true force just disappeared, the life went out of the wheel if you will, I ended up sending it back and got a replacement wheel but the replacement wheel is exactly the same, I can’t figure out other than potential patches or software changes what could be causing it? Checked all in game menus there set to how they were, recalibrated wheel, 🤔 So now when driving in a streight line in GTsport for example there’s nothing, you only feel pull and play in the wheel when cornering and going over road edges or hitting a wall, all other feedback seems to have disappeared, ghub seems to be only applicable if your using wheel on pc and currently no pc, it’s got me stumped, any info you may have would be great to hear, thanks 👍 Keep up good work
I’m looking for realism….like when I drive on a dirt road I want to feel like i am actually driving on a dirt road. You know what I mean? Anyways is this a good wheel for realism?
The biggest complaint I have is the steering wheels is tiny as fck. It needs to be almost or as big as a real car steering wheel. Other than that, the system is so good. It matches up to the thrustmaster ts-pc. The ts-pc is better because it feels like a real car, but its $700 without the shifter
Thank you I just bought the G923 Sunday was using T150. I'm still learning. Just sign up Jan 9 2021 for Iracing. I'm learning a lot . im learning too of this true force you explain it good. Thank you Is there any setting I need to know of this wheel. Like I was saying I'm new to Iracing.
Man, I should've watched this before I dropped $400 + tax on the G923 seeing as it only works with 3 games. Question: If it takes G-Hub to play, is that only for PC or PS4 as well? My PS4 doesn't see my G923 at all, and I'm truly disappointed. I'm not sure what I missed, but I'm sure you covered it already. I'm a nOOb
Honestly should I return the g29 wheel and spring the xtra 100 dollars to get the g923 is it worth the 100 dollars I went with the g29 to go with my playstation 5 and Gran Turismo 7 what are your thoughts here now in 03/2022 I would have to return the g29 and re order a g923 from best buy and wait for it to get shipped so yeah that's always tough waiting on
Mi devi aiutare, ho appena conprato il g923.... ho notato che appena premo la frizione fa un cigolio tipo uno stridulo....dovrei fare il reso? È normale che stride mentre lo premo?
Auto-translate: Ciao. Non parlo italiano quindi questo è tradotto. Il mio pedale della frizione non cigola. Se è abbastanza rumoroso da non poterlo affrontare, forse puoi restituirlo e ottenerne uno che non cigoli. A volte prodotti come questi possono essere "rotti" e cose come cigolii scompaiono. Se ti senti a tuo agio nello smontare i pedali senza invalidare la garanzia, puoi provare ad aggiungere un po 'di lubrificante come il grasso termico. I pedali sono costruiti proprio come il G29. Quindi puoi trovare un video di RU-vid che spiega come smontare e rimontare i pedali G29. In bocca al lupo. English: Hello. I don't speak Italian so this is translated. My clutch pedal doesn't squeak. If it is loud enough that you can't deal with it maybe you can return it and get one that doesn't squeak. Sometimes products like these can be "broken in" and stuff like squeaks will go away. If you feel comfortable disassembling the pedals without voiding your warranty you can try to add some lubricant like lithium grease. The pedals are constructed just like the G29. So you can find a youtube video explaining how to disassemble and reassemble the G29 pedals. Good luck.
It depends on the car, type of racing and corner. Left foot braking is faster. F1, GT, Prototypes, anything with 2 pedals they left foot brake. For cars with a clutch pedal I right foot brake when I need to heel toe downshift but I'm a corner when I'm down downshifting I left foot brake because it's faster than moving my right foot over.
hey! so ibought the wheel after watching your video. I have used it for the past week, and tried the trueforce on asseto corsa competizione, and it doesnt feell thata powerfull. I mean in your video you talk about how you can feel that the wheels have dirt in them after hitting the grable, but i cant feel any of that, i can only feel the vibration due to the motor, should i be concerned that the wheel is broken?
I was able to feel more road and curb effects after turning the gain in ACC up much higher. Doing so does make the wheel much louder. You may also have different settings for the road effects and dampening. The version of the game I was playing on was quite a bit older. There's been multiple patches including FFB changes. Lastly FFB I'd VERY subjective. What feels great and clear to one person might feel terrible and barely noticeable to another.
Does anybody how to enable the wheel lights, I have had my g923 for over 4 months now and I can't find a way to turn them on, I have even tried fanaleds but it does not show up in the hardware tab. If you know how please help me I really want to play f1 2019 with the rev lights on.
@@BallisticTechAh I watched the whole vid but forgot you mentioned the pedals, my bad. I wanted to ask, was the noise as bad as some people are saying it is? Thanks and keep up the good work
@@Mycatsbirthdayparty It's as bad or worse than a standard G920/G29. I'd say worse when TrueForce is turned on for things like the engine and such. I have been seeing them on demo in Best Buy and MicroCenter. That's probably the best way to get a feel for what the FFB feels like and the noise. It's been interesting to see that now Fanatec is coming out with a TrueForce like stack for their new DD wheels. I think a DD will be able to do more with telemetry and audio data straight from the game but I think it was a big step for Logitech.
