What surprised me most was the audio quality difference between the 4K PRO and the 500. Before watching the video I was almost convinced that I wouldn't notice the difference between the two models. But after watching your video it's night and day. I'm buying the 4K PRO. Thanks.
The 101 would be my first choice for my eyes and ears, followed by the 4k. Toss the rest. With your in-depth review of these items and your personal knowledge of the product, I'm surprised you only have 9.14k subscribers. I would have placed you at around 250-500k. Maybe it's the market that you find yourself in. Overall, you're excellent, and someone needs to come aboard your team to boost your ratings because you deserve it. Carry on!
Hi Jeremy! Found your channel recently and you are seriously consistent with your high quality reviews. I am not into tech but you make everything very easy to understand. Thank you :)
great video! thanks for the overview. i just scored the 4K today for free at Goodwill because it had no price sticker. glad i kept it on my impromptu thrifting trip lol
Thanks for the video. Have just watched a previous video where the Brio 500 came out tops. I'm currently using the 922 and was looking to upgrade to the 4k or 500 after your video. However, the 4k is double the price of the 500 here in South Africa. Is it worth going for the 4k or will the 500 be a good enough upgrade from the 922?
I like all 3 cameras to be honest. The 922 with the right lighting produces a great image. I'd probably keep that one until you do want to go to 4K or 1080p60. Can you still get the 2017 Brio 4K there or get refurbished/renewed Brio 4K cheaper?
Hi Jeremy, the 4-squared comparison was a great way to show the cameras looks & differences, really liked that. by the way, what was your reasoning for not recording the Brio 4K in 4K native? I feel we couldnt get a fair shake on that model because of only 1080p
Thanks Paul. I did capture and edit 4K for this one. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-TIbsPbZlXuQ.html When you downscale to match the others, the 4K native capture doesn't really make a difference
Love your reviews, really appreciate all the comparison videos. Have Logitech adjusted the mic profile in the Brio 500? In this video it sounds like it has a lot more low end and bassy than in your original Brio 500 review (before tuning)? Do you find the mic more accurate/better in the 500 or the 4K model? Do you think the extra sharpness and mic quality of the 4K is worth the price premium over the 500? What's different with the internals of the 4K Pro model? Thanks
Also, would you say either of these are now better than the c922? Or is the c922 sharper? I've read a few things now saying the Brios aren't worth it over the c922.
Thank you. I don't think Logitech changed the mic profile, because none of the cameras were missing firmware updates before I started (I checked). It's likely the camera position being closer. I've stopped doing any digital zoom whatsoever after my OBSBOT Tiny 2 Review, because people seem pretty fanatical about focus when I do a multi camera test and try to match framing. This one would have been impossible because the 101 has a 58 degree FOV and Brio 4k is (at least) 90 degrees. As for internals, there tends to be some component upgrades over time (newer, faster chips, more onboard storage, better firmware), there is a reddit post with a Logitech moderator on the topic here: www.reddit.com/r/logitech/comments/150i1ay/brio_4k_2017_vs_2022/ I also noticed slight improvements to the C920 vs C922 over time. I'd say it's mainly firmware and having a slightly better processor and more onboard storage to run better firmware if I were to guess.
@@DeployJeremy Thanks for the info. Interesting, a lot of people on reddit saying the brio (the old 4K I think) is worse, very grainy, not as clean as the c922. Although I suppose firmware updates in the meantime might have improved this, esp with the newer 2022 version? I also noticed someone said the Brio 500 when using 78 degree FOV, because it's digitally zoomed in, it looks worse. Not sure if the 4K Pro would be better in this regard (if using same 1080p). With current BF sales I can get the C922 Pro Stream for AUD$88, Brio 500 for $114 or Brio 4K Pro for $177. Just wanting decent image and mic quality for Discord/Skype/etc calls (limited to 1080 or 720p anyway), without overspending if it's not warranted. Upgrading from old Quickcam Pro 9000.
@@Damon89 It's all about the light you give them. I can make the Brio 4k image grainy with low or variable light at different depths. The C922 is still a very strong camera and if you want to stay within a budget, it's a good choice. That said, I still think the BRIO's are a bit better. Pricing is a bit different in Oz, here you can get the Brio 4k 2017 for about $120, or $150-ish AUD. Half of my family lives there in Victoria. AUD$88 is a great price for the 922.
Very helpful! I just bought the C920s Pro, and after watching your video, I want to change it to the Brio 300. What would you recommend? Should I change it or not? Thank you so much.
@@_pbear-eer8353 technically, I prefer the 300, mainly because it's newer and has Logitech software and firmware support - and in "youtube" RGB lighting conditions, it doesn't produce that yellow tone image that the C920 and Brio 4K suffer from. That said, a few people are reporting manufacturing issues where the 300 camera isn't recognized by Windows and they need to update the firmware. Not sure how common this is, but flagging just in case. Thankfully, it sounds fixable if it does happen. And to be clear, my 300 camera had zero issues.
Hello Jeremy checlong out this video again after returning the obsbot tiny and tiny 2 for problems with its software and steep price. I am now looking at logitech brio and was first sold on the 4k but then read that recording in 4k 8s not that easy. Also in this video the default 4k looks yellow so i might go for the brio 500 or 505. Is the 505 better?
The 4K with firmware updates is good now. If you need 4K, that's the only Logitech that does 4k. Brio 500 vs. 501, 503, 505 I believe is primarily packaging (500 are consumer, others are business with brown cardboard boxes), and also the Logitech GHub software for tuning tends to only work with the 00 consumer cameras. That said, LogiTune still works with the business cameras and is much lighter weight with the same tuning options + firmware updating.
Depends on the Macbook. I'd say it's better than the older 720p cameras, which also had a very warm, sepia-like brown hue to their footage. The current 1080p webcams are comparable. But you still need a laptop stand or something to position it in the right location, so it's not firing up.
Which of the two Logitech Brio models-Logitech Brio C1000e 4K HD or Logitech Brio 4K Stream Edition-would be the better choice for recording sim racing wheel content on your RU-vid channel?
I believe these are both essentially the same webcam. They are both the Brio 4K form factor, but depending on where and in which channel they sell in, the product names change slightly. Like the Brio 500, 501, 503, 505. Some will have commercial packaging and may disable compatibility with Logitech GHub
This video is a really thorough piece of work and deserves to be carefully absorbed - I have a 922 pro stream and I've rarely seen anything much better in the wild (Teams / zoom / Google meets). The best webcam footage I've ever seen is a dude who ended up using an iPhone on youtube. I'm an android user. Not sure if it was shown at Teams resolutions/frame rates, though. To me, it was better than an m50 thru a7iii.
I luckily found that my old laptop had 1 usb 3 port and only after researching the logitech installation guide managed to turn it on. But logitune does not recognise it? Still so much to figure out. Guess it is not plug and play as they promised
Remember that Windows only allows one active app to have a webcam running, so if you have it running in the camera app, LogiTune won't display the video feed. It should still recognize it and you should be able to update the firmware.
Hi Robert. They are the same, but normally the 500 is the consumer edition and may work in Logitech GHub, whereas the business editions, to my knowledge those are 501, 503, and 505, will use Logi Tune to set the image properties and for firmware updates.
@@robertrose3068 I prefer it as a lighter weight app, too. And it has the same camera controls. If you have a Yeti microphone or Logitech gaming keyboard, mouse or lights, then GHub adds those controls.
I've been using it in Windows 11. Both use the same built in driver that hasn't really changed since Windows 7, so I don't see why it wouldn't work. Logi Tune software also supports Windows 10, 11 and MacOS
I just bought the brio 300 but didn’t realize it’s usb-c I stream off my monitor and Xbox series s is there a cord I can buy that will allow me to stream but make it connect with a usb ?
I want to buy one and attach to my sony tv so I can have google meet video chats with my family from my sofa. I am aware the build-in microphones are weak, but which webcam has the best one in your opinion? Say, speaking from 2 meter distance.
I thought the microphone in the Brio 300 was the best of the bunch. It has a bit more bass tone to it, which you'd need with that much distance. You'll still get echos at 2m. Does your TV have access to the full Google Play store, or are you looking to do this over the web client?
Thanks for answering@@DeployJeremy! The Brio 300? That's surprising, I was considering 500 or 4k (I like the detachable cable). I've got a sony bravia X90 from 2020, so there's play store. Actually I could only find 2 chat apps for tv, google meet and zoom.
@@michalr90 500 would be my next choice, but if you watch the video, it's a bit thin and top heavy, as is the 4k. Those 2 cameras were also a good foot (30cm) closer to my mouth than the 300 to match framing, because of their 90 degree FOV
For image tuning, Logi Tune. For recording multiple cameras, I would recommend OBS (it's free) if you were using the advanced features like scene switching. For recording one source, the camera app in Windows also works well.
Does anyone know if there's any real difference between the OG/2017 version of the BRIO 4k and the new 2022? Apparently there are 2 versions on Amazon even though there's only 1 on the official Logitech site. Sorry for copy and paste spam as I just want to know what I'm buying asap. Thanks!
@@davidbenpark Nah not really. There isn't a vid out there that's talking about it so my best guess is that it's just different batches. Regardless the thing isn't as good as the vids made it out to be. It's good for a webcam and that's that imo. If you want to do live stream with HD you would need a professional camera.
It felt like all the cameras was out of focus, like they focus on the background more then on your face? I have an old Logitech 1080p webcam with autofocus that is not very good at focus on my face... it´s always a bit out of focus.. Now I want to buy a new webcam that can focus in the correct way, maybe Logitech is not the way to go if they still have problems with focus? What do you think?
Some cameras have great autofocus. The Insta360 Link, Logitech BRIO 4k corrected the yellowish default color tones with firmware updates last year and it focuses well. But you're right, many fixed focus cameras favor the background for some reason, like the intention is that the camera is 10 feet/3m away from the subject
@@DeployJeremy Thanks for the response! I felt like all the cameras in the test was focusing the background more then your face. Well, I have to think about this for a while. What camera to get next time. Maybe a non autofokus one is the best for me, as long as it is possible to adjust focus manually :)
I wasn't sure choose one of them webcams, I only need low light condition that webcam can handle it, and in-built mic too. I looked up the Brio 500 and C920, It seems like Brio does well HDR at low light condition but doesn't auto-brightness unlike C920? (I checked other reviews) 🤔Also, I won't be buying over 130€.
@@DeployJeremy thanks response, I've purchased C920 but the auto-focus sometimes not working which it needs to be very bright room otherwise auto-focus doesn't work with low-light conditions. How Brio 500 performs well auto-focus at low light conditions? I'm thinking to return it and getting both usb adapter and Brio 500
I don't know if they need to update it again. It was updated in 2022 and is still an excellent webcam. Given the long run of the C920 (available since 2012), we're just about 50% through the lifecycle of it. 🙂
@@DeployJeremy oh i see is , i just bought a brand new desktop & Monitor wants get the latest version of this camera 2 well thanks guessing gonna up date next year
@@DeployJeremy Cool. I have it (without any config), and I don't see any yellow...not even in the whites of my eyes or teeth. Glad I dodged that bullet!
Yup, it's only in the 4K Brio from Logitech. There are other manufacturers with Windows Hello support, but the Brio 4k in my experience is the best one.
The 500 model microphone seems to be the worst of them lot, and even by far, doesn't it? this mirrors my personal experience with its audio recording quality. Anyone had a different experience?
My experience has been different. The 4k Pro with updated firmware is better, but the 500 from my experience is better than the 300 and the 100. They all seem to match their different price points in my tests.
Thanks for sharing this @DeployJeremy the Pro does seem to cater a kind of perfect audio capture quality, whereas the 500 seems far worse than your typical smartphone's audio capture to me. Voice sounds muffled.
@@matan9577 most webcam mics are terrible because of the distance to your mouth and echo. The main reason the wide lens cameras in my tests sound better in general is because I need to move them closer to my mouth to match framing. Even though the 4K and 500 both claim a 90 degree field of view, the 4k is 10-15 degrees wider and normally I would bring it closer in those cases. In the real world in top of a monitor and a meter away from your mouth, both mics are barely tolerable and need digital tuning for echo removal and equalization to sound OK. Teams and Zoom do that, so at least in online meetings they will sound OK. Smartphones are also processing sound (and image), because it's table stakes now for phones and they have way more processing power than even modern high end mirrorless cameras and webcams are completely restricted in processing power.
Which mic has better noise cancellation for an office situation where you have coworkers on either side of you also on their own calls at the same time as you? Both the 4K and 500 have different claimed noise cancellation strategies.
@@DeployJeremy i disabled autofocus and still running into. I have my settings in obs at 1080 at 60fps and also tried 30fps. Everytime i start to play fortnite especially during building the webcam loses focus
@@kingkish17it sounds performance based and like it's dropping resolution and/or frame rate. Do you have anything else in the chain like background blur, replacement, etc? Those all tax the CPU, too.
@@DeployJeremy nope i don't have background blur or anything else,... yea exactly looks like the resolution is dropping specifically when im building, but why is that affecting the quality of the webcam and not the quality of the game itself on my stream?
I have a logitech brio 4k, and when I stream and play video games. My cam gets blurry. Upload speed is 35mbps. Have good cpu and gpu as well. So I'm kinda confused and stuck.
Depends on your budget. If you want something not too expensive, the Razer Seiren Mini with a budget boom arm is good or the Fifine 668b with arm kit is also good. Both options will run about $50-60 total on Amazon.
@@DeployJeremy I have a Brio 501 on the way for $129. I'm not sure what the difference is between that and the 500. I can't find any details or comparisons.
Sorry I missed this and you probably already have your camera. The 501 has two differences, the packaging should be brown cardboard, not color printed for retail. And because it's a business model, it likely won't be recognized by Logitech G-Hub. You'll need to use Logi Tune instead to dial it it in
