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Cool. I did not know that. I also saw a turtle graphics program that came installed with KDE.

There are turtle libraries for a lot of languages, even befunge ^^

Yea turtle is also a nice way to teach programming

Yea, that was how I first came in contact with programming. I was even in a tournament / competition for this, lol

ROS also has this as their main demo for sending messages/commands. I didn’t know it was based on Logo until now!

I'm glad EsoLabyrinth is over. I can finally make videos a reasonable length again.

@@tikete seriously

i'm glad i did my job well, puny mortal!

@@0bfuscate holy hell its obfuscate

It is very funny, though. I never saw code written as badly as I have in Logo as if he's completely correct about the ridiculousness of alternative command names in it. Also, Logo tools often have a single-line input feature which forces people to write things more compact and single-lined than readable. Lots of examples you'll find are compressed to 1 short line as if what jsminify does to JavaScript is a coding convention with Logo. It is something new Logo programming tools should find ways to discourage because it teaches people that it is unimportant to write clear, understandable code. Some alternative command names are wildly confusing because some Logo interpreters support words from multiple languages like "vooruit" from Dutch instead of "forward". Nothing confuses people quite like mixing multiple natural languages in it.

@@jh29a everyone scrolls up and down while reading code in any programming language. It is normal to have more than 50 lines in a program and have it go vertically out of view. Up/down generally corresponds with steps before and after the one you're looking at so vertical scrolling feels completely natural. Scrolling left to right is when you're likely doing something wrong. Python's PEP-8 style guide recommends a maximum line length of 80 characters for similar reasons. MSWLogo, FMSLogo, UCBLogo, and many other Logo programming tools support a single-line code input feature usually called "Commander" but any significantly long code would be better stored in procedures that can have as many lines as keeps your code clear.

unluckly even after a year they are still criminally underrated. it is amazing work done by him tho.

@@jh29a there is localmake in some Logo interpreters like FMSLogo for use in procedures. localmake is a bit like mixing local and make in FMSLogo but could also be like 'make' for local variables only. I don't know what is so bad about using 'make' but there are some alternatives. If he wanted to avoid using variables so hard that he felt bad about using them, maybe he was trying to avoid all side effects. Completely avoiding side effects would be weird when turtle graphics is so stateful with pen, turtle position, turtle heading, pen color, pen up/down..., though.

Also not using repcount in the loop makes me cringe. Sorry for the necroposting. (:

Yay! This video's not about an esolang tho

Do you mean GLSL, OpenGL's shader language?

@@IARRCSim yes

@@Veptis You might like /watch?v=cLJGIJ2meYE because every frame of the video was made with GLSL.

This video is 1/3 references

Also, I used the logo interpreter that I did because it animated the turtle

@@jh29a Logomocja-Imagine is a version with polish support. Every school uses them, most don't buy it, but use the demo version, but then teachers have no way to give homework on that, so there is still quite a lot that do give money for a simple LOGO program.

thx!

For example, is one of the few public primary schools that teaches english. And the school is 100 years old and I can tell, teachers and management team were at least as old as school haha

@@jh29a well, yeah. I'm aware that the base language is Lua, but I mean the "turtle.*" is similar enough to make me think of CC in general

There is also turtlespaces which makes 3D graphics using the Logo programming language. turtlespaces just isn't as useful for adults who are more focused on making 3D models and exporting them than learning by playing around.

You're 90% correct. The last 10% would be in saying that the python turtle module was based on turtle graphics instead of Logo. Logo is a programming language and Python's turtle is just modules and not a distinct programming language. Turtle graphics is not a programming language. It is more like a set of commands or functions that are commonly supported by Logo to access and control simulated turtles and the turtles draw graphics.

@@jh29a not just nowadays. I found print command support in every Logo interpreter I looked at from the 1980's. Scratch is very different because it uses visual programming which is a lot slower to work with when you get beyond the first couple hours of learning how to program.

yes

Might want a different programming language for that. SQL is a specialized programming language that is extremely popular. Not being general-purpose doesn't imply being useless. In a lot of situations, specialized programming languages are very useful.

@@IARRCSim Blud responded a 2 year comment no cap bro 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️💀💀💀💀

@@insaneabrokenheroofficial is that a problem? Unless you're talking face to face or in something else realtime, a response time of years seems fine to me. More people are likely to read the comments after they're written too. I doubt they'd read the comment and reply much differently if there was a 2 year gap between the two.

Ye, you have to pay or get a school packet for full version...

idk... that has actually never happened before...

@@Truttle1 when I watched your furst vid with an intro I was kinda confused like "wait, this isnt an esolang channel?" but watched the whole thjng anyways

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This is the shortest length of time I've gone between uploads in a while...

I was about to comment the same

Oh lol I guess I missed the notification on the last vid

@@juicyguyzer Enrtopy!

Logo as in Greek for word or thought. The Logo language supports some basic natural language processing to manipulate word lists. Documentation for Logo refers to lots of things a "word" when you normally wouldn't choose "word". For example, numbers, strings, procedures... have been called "word's" in Logo programming documentation. It is interesting and confusing when Logo also has turtle graphics that could draw company logos. Graphics used for branding is called "logos" too because it has common etymological roots. A company's logo is sort of the single "word" or "thought" or symbol rather, that represents that company.

@@IARRCSim ... Logos, an Objective-C preprocessor by theos, the build system (comment made by a younger, more naive me, who wrongfully thought it was a programming language)

Its almost to 49: a perfect square!

@@Truttle1 Aye, I'm the 49th view!

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No. Python is a different programming language from Logo. The similarity you're thinking of is that both Python and Logo support turtle graphics. In Python you can use a turtle package to draw similar graphics in a similar way. The Logo programming language is different from Python in that it uses "to" instead of "def", "repeat" instead of "for", and Logo does turtle graphics without needing to import a special package. Logo was the first programming language to use turtle graphics.

@@IARRCSim yeah I knew that it's a different programming language. But yeah I found a similarity to the turtle programming language. I didn't even know that turtle graphics was a kind of "philosophy"? Like OOP is a way of doing stuff in more programming languages hahs

Fr? we only taught how to use pascal (and occasionally c++)

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Yes, Python has a turtle module. Python is a different programming language than Logo, though. You might care more about turtle graphics than Logo. It is important to see the distinction between Logo and turtle graphics, though. It is important to note that turtle graphics is more like an a graphics library, or a way to simulate turtles that can draw instead of confusing turtle graphics with the Logo programming language.

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