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@@Persephone_Personified I’d like him to go back in time to just kill Thanos, imagine the look on his face coming back to smite him after just having snapped his neck. 😂
@@scooterjones303Yes. Thor Sylvie B15 OB He Who Remains. Yes. He Who Remains knew Loki was capable of overseeing all time (always) remember HWR had seen ALL of time and space.. so theoretically he’s already seen Loki do all of this.
@Persephone_Personified I just dont buy these ppl are his friends or particulary like each other. He's barely known them and they are his former jailers that went around pruning or killing ppl
@@bengarcia9105 same like D.B. Cooper! Obviously in Marvel lore we know Loki took Frank, but IRL we don't know. We legit don't know what happened to em.
My favorite bit of this episode was them insinuating that Casey was actually Frank Morris, from the real life Alcatraz escape in 1962. Same character that Clint Eastwood played in the 1979 movie Escape From Alcatraz, based on the real story. I thought it was so fucking cool they did that.
We practically had a new version of the Snap in this. Everyone, one by one, splitting and slipping away. Except this time it’s not just half. It’s not just people. It’s everything.
Indeed.. including the 616 main/sacred timeline. Loki has the lives of everyone, including Thor, in his hands. On every timeline. Loki may save the life of his brother and family, and possibly without them ever knowing. Honestly, I really hope this Loki gets to be reunited with the main timeline Thor.
This ep hit me hard on multiple levels. Ke Huy’s character as a writer putting his own books on the shelves fucked me up (I’m in the process of editing and publishing my first novel) and Owen Wilson as a single dad who’s wife left him with the kids REALLY hit me hard, as someone who’s been in that position for a decade now. The writing conceit based around Ke Huy’s character discussing science (what and how) versus fiction (why) and then the answer really being “who” absolutely blew my hair back. Just a tremendous, tremendous episode
Dude- she has her enhanced He Who Remains tem-pad. She bugged out as the TVA was about to explode and she went back to her branched timeline. That's why she remembered everything. She didn't get reset.
It's a fiction problem, but the question is "who" -- it's literally Main Character Syndrome. The show is Loki, Loki is the main character, so Loki gets to decide what happens 😂 I do wonder whether Sylvie kept her memories because she's Asgardian or because she's specifically a Loki. Mobius's original name was Don, by the way.
I'm wondering if she slipped out using her wrist temp-pad and we just didn't see it. The others ended up in their "original" lives, but she just went back to her McDonalds life. lol
After this episode, I kind of hope that Episode 6 pulls a Men In Black with Mobius, wiping his memory and reinserting him on the Sacred Timeline to live his life doing what he actually loves: riding jet skis and spending time with his sons. I would be a blubbering mess watching Loki and Mobius part ways, but that would be such a lovely conclusion for Mobius' character after everything Loki learned in this episode.
There's a theory out now that Mobius's (Don's) wife, who he said is long gone, might have disappeared when The Snap happened. Since it was 2022 on his timeline, she could reappear the next year. They were fairly vague with some details. I wonder if to fix everything Loki will find he has to go all the way back to when he took the Tesseract. But would that whole timeline be lost and all the characters be gone except Loki? Or maybe just as far back when HWR was killed and stop that?
What really got me in the feels is when Mobius said that *he’ll* know that he left his kids. Maybe the Mobius with TVA memories have this subconsciously on his mind that’s why he still choses not to know what his life was on the timeline.
I think Möbius’ sons are like Thor and Loki .. hence why he took so quickly to this version of Loki. The taser in OB’s office looked like a pruning stick/timestick. B15 might have been meant to die in her timeline bc she’s in NYC in 2012... aka Loki’s invasion of NY. I think Loki is going to end up being not only more powerful than Dr. Strange, but one of the most powerful beings in the MCU. I think Loki is the one that took all the characters from their timelines. . . we just saw it happen. He’s accidentally creating the TVA 💚
Goddamn, that temporal reset, by the end of the episode really gave that vibe of the body's last real push to survive, where you feel fine briefly, before it all starts to shut down again. It filled me with so much dread the moment Sylvie's meal disappeared, like the ticking bomb under the floorboard. I wish we could have gotten a little more of it, but it was absolutely reminiscent of the Snap. It feels perfect that at the end of this, it'll be as if nothing happened, but Loki and his friends were instrumental in ensuring that all existence, for better and worse, could continue! EDIT: I also love how Loki's time-slipping resembles the spaghettification, really tying him to this whole story in such a satisfying way.
That works. Everyone was send "where they are belong", both don't have branches, so they appeared where they think they're belong: Sylvie in her new McDonalds branch and Loki in TVA
I think this episode was us watching how the TVA was created. In the comics Loki become the God of Stories so by the end of the episode everything made sense to me.
I like how Sylvie's idea of really living it up is apparently working at McDonalds and visiting the local record shop. I mean, that shit is definitely worth saying screw you to all the other timelines. haha
Also, Mobius is basically like Odin. He has one mischievous son and one obedient son that he sends after the troublemaker. His wife even died like Odin.
I think because this Loki's timeline no longer exists, and he was pruned and brought back (twice in fact) made the TVA his "home" timeline, which is why he didn't disappear like all the others.
This is 4 years are Mobius probably saw his wife getting dusted during the snap. Now he is seeing everyone getting turned into spaghetti, saying "I need to go back to see my boys" as it happens. No wonder he wasn't too keen on checking up on his timeline at TVA.
Notice how Loki timeslips in TVA and ends right where he left of. This means there is no past and he cannot travel more than a few seconds into the future. When TVA is disappearing, he cannot travel to the future and instead ends up on one of the timelines.
Man, I am so glad I've been busy as hell the last several weeks and only just had time to catch up on this season this week. The episodes flowed so well in a continuous string, and I have to believe that waiting week to week for these has been agony. Great reaction and analysis as always; I love seeing Loki fully embrace his redeemed role as the God of Stories and understanding that the people in his life (the characters) are what he cares about the most, both because he doesn't want to be alone, but also because he really just genuinely cares about his band of misfits. And re: your point about the wild and trippy visuals, that's the main reason I was excited when Benson and Moorhead were announced to be directing some episodes of this season. Their filmmaking is all about that sort of thing, eerie and trippy tones, moods and visuals. Cheers!
Yes, I think that's from the very early episode of the first season When some variants get pruned because he doesn't have any ticket to the court It'd be crazy if the TVA Agent who took Loki on the first season was himself all along All his doing to start the loop that became the main theme of this season
@@imaulana1 It was X-5/Brad Wolfe saying "You died! Insert your coin loser!" taken from the "Zaniac!" video game which was shown in the bar when Sylvie and Loki first walked in.
Loki is really OP now! I read somewhere that he could be the most powerful being in the marvel multiverse right now, right under "The One Above All" because he is "The God of Stories" now (presumably) he can rewrite the story 🤯 It would make sense, could also be wrong 😂 cant wait for next week! 🤩 Great reaction, cheers from Austria✌
What was that " Brad: You died. Insert your coin, loser." in the last few seconds of the credit. I know it's coming from the arcade game from earlier scene.
Loki literally doesn’t belong anywhere which is crazy. He’s pruned out the timeline, his OG timeline got pruned, and he already saw his future. So truly, where does Loki belong?
I cant believe were on a path to get God of Stories Loki. This might be Marvels grand plan to rewrite the main timeline to include mutants or bring back loved characters like Tony.
Lmao there’s still actually 1 single McDonald’s left in Orlando, FL that sells spaghetti. And most of them in the Philippines also have it on the menu lol
14:22 you seem to forget she's a loki variant. in the first season it shows how the TVA took her from Asgard, this isnt her branch timeline. she's in this timeline because she has he who remains' tem-pad. maybe the TVA's failsafe puts the tem-pad's owner in that last safest place it was in before meltdown. the TVA failsafe is a system that removes all TVA employees / occupants and puts them back in their branched timeline, maybe having the tem-pad changed that, or being a variant of loki changed that. one or the other.
21:31 Mobius was a single dad, yes. But did his wife leave him and the boys?(voluntarily) Mobius says she's 'Long gone.' Think about his branched timeline. 2022 -during the 5years of the blip. His wife got snapped. But that's just my theory.
It is possible that Loki becomes the new He Who Meinds, and the posters show him wearing an outfit that could have him in the finale. I hope it totally breaks it. 💚💚🔥🔥
My theory is bc Victor Timely died/reset...a new kang in charge has been pruning non-sacrate branches. (Our teammates were all on branches)... So maybe thats the who Loki concluded at the end? Save timely and the branches from getting future prunned? Haha loving this season ✨✨
Don was the name Mobius was going by in the timeline. Sylvie annoys me to no end at this point. She wanted to give everyone free will, but then she was cool with all of them being stripped from the TVA without giving them the choice. Sylvie wanted her choice and didn’t care about anyone else’s.
She was okay with letting them live their own lives. What Loki says to convince Don is exactly the same offer given by He Who Remains to Loki and Sylvie in S1e6. I can't believe such a simple thing is going over the head.
@@kvm6 well no need to be rude. Go back to 28 minutes and watch their conversation. She literally shrugs when Loki says they should get a choice in the life they want. She doesn’t care about anyone else but herself. She only came running to Loki when she realized he had been right the whole time that it was all falling apart.
@@Ladmia is Loki giving them choice? No. TVA isn't a 9-5 job. It is For All Time Always. She is being selfish just like he is. But her being selfish is wrong and his is right?
@@thefinalfighter2578 He is still right in the beginning when he asks how many of the TVA employees would have chosen to stay instead of going back to the timeline. They weren’t given the choice, they were just sent back. His point is choice which should be Sylvie’s since that was she was all on about in the 1st season.
I don’t think the mid-season teaser spoiled anything. There are more episodes despite the MCU apparently being destroyed. We knew that. The TVA agents had lives before the TVA. We knew that. (We did get to see their professions but that didn’t effect the story. It was awesome seeing Mobius was a recreational vehicle salesman.) Loki starts slipping again. We saw that in the season trailer months ago (unless you were restrained enough to avoid everything). But also with everything being destroyed, there wasn’t much else that could have happened to not end the story. It was my guess anyway. The only thing it did to me is torture me with things I knew where coming without explaining how that could be (which is honestly the most I want from a teaser is they decide to have one- get me excited).
If they all were from a branch timeline then none of them was meant for the secret timeline but Loki and that's why he time slips and no one else time slips
But... the problem with Loki and HWR being "right" (as you said) about the TVA is that if it didn't exist this wouldn't be happening. It was explained by HWR (in 'For All Time. Always') that the natural state of the cosmos is a multiverse AKA "Universes stacked on top of his own", the fear of his variants (or his desire to be the only Kang) led him to create the TVA and the Loom (to win the Multiversal War), which forces the timelines into the Sacred Timeline (a wholly unnatural state for the cosmos). So, as Sylvie said (in 'The Nexux Event' ) "the universe wants to break free, so it manifests chaos"... AKA the cosmos wants to go back to its natural state. Unfortunately, they're now stuck wity having to fix the Loom to save what the Loom broke. Well, until something bigger happens, of course (like Kang Dynasty or Secret Wars). Its an ouroboros in itself
Maybe the Time Slipping simply came back because Loki was Alone again. I think Loki has deep hidden powers and the Time Slipping is just one of them that surfaced. So it returning was just instinct that was triggered by his "selfish" need to not end up alone??
Also wonder if the Marvels will hint at what’s coming with Dr Strange. The incursions. Because Loki touches on that from all the branches disappearing.
So, when Loki time slips subconsciously, he duplicates himself, but when he does it on purpose, he slips back into his past self? Am I seeing that right? 🤔
I think the thing most people don't realize about the show is that, other than Loki, the cast members in this episode are NOT the same variants as in the TVA. They weren't reset, they weren't wiped of their memories, they didn't go back to their former lives. These variants are variants on the new branches formed after the death of He Who Remains, and as such never, at any point in their personal, chronological lifetimes, ever went to or knew about the TVA.
I disagree: 1. Sylvie is clearly, 100%, Sylvie. Why her and not the others? 2. Loki specifcially slipped to them (as opposed to a different Mobius on a different branch) because *they* were his friends 3. If they'd never been to the TVA, then they'd not have a shared temporal aura to lock onto. The TVA exists outside of time, I think the new timelines are branches because they each represent a timeline where the agent randomly ceased to exist (was plucked into the TVA). And I think that when the TVA unravelled they were each transported back into their respective branch at the exact second they left. Like Loki said he would do to Mobius. I don't know if it's technically a memory wipe, or what. But I do think those variants have been to the TVA even if they have no memory of it (or missing time.)
@@yuukinoyuki9064 Sylvie is Sylvie, I agree, but she has a tempad and it's implied she used it to get out of the TVA after the loom imploded. No other variant of Loki would have had a tempad because all other variants we've seen have been pruned. But the others, are NOT the same variants. The very fact the branches of all TVA agents have been pruned confirms as much. But even further, Victor Timely is from a branched timeline but has the same temporal aura as He Who Remains, who is presumably from the Sacred timeline, implying that all variants have the same temporal aura as one another. And all this is pretty obvious to me. Why nobody else understands it clearly is their problem. As for why Slyvie seemingly has a different temporal aura than other Lokis? He Who Remains made it so. He wrote the entirety of Loki and Sylvie's lives up until the moment Sylvie made the choice to kill him, so he probably wrote her as more than just a variant, but her own person, as well. She's unique in that way.
@@DarthTingleBinks Not quite how I see it. For one, I disagree that every Variant shares the same temporal aura. Loki and Sylvie have their own, unique, auras. You say its because He Who Remains (HWR) made it that way. I think it's the opposite; Victor has the same temporal aura as HWR because he was made into the same person (hence handing him the TVA handbook.) But even being the same person if you were to rewind Victor's personal timeline by 5, 10, 20 years you'd not end up at the end of Time with HWR because maybe Victor will become him, but he hasn't, yet. But what OB said was that if you gather all of the gang together (including Loki and Sylvie) and look at their temporal aura (a fingerprint of their timelines) that there would be 1 signature/note that is the same for all of them. That would represent the last moment in time they were all gathered together, and that's what OB could use to track the moment in time in the TVA before it was destroyed. And that's why I argue they're the actual TVA agents. I don't think they were sent to their original timelines, per se - those were pruned - I think they were sent to a branch that didn't have a chance to grow until HWR died. So, like, on the Sacred Timeline Don lives happily with his wife and kids. In 1 branch his wife dies in the Snap making Don an only father. He is ripped from that timeline to become Mobius and his timeline is pruned. But there is now an unexplored possibility, a branch that would have branched from Mobius' timeline. One where Don randomly disappeared and his kids are now orphans. The TVA exists outside of time, when HWR died timelines didn't start branching only from like 2023 onward. They started branching everywhere, all at once. I'd argue some of those unexplored timelines were actualized. Or maybe branches respawn. Or maybe there was a branch where both parents were dusted and Mobius slotted right into the convienently left space, etc. But the fact that the whole premise of the episode was that "who" mattered. And the whole premise of Slyvie's arc s1 was that variants of the same person are not the same person, it just feels like a weird artistic choice to pick up 5 random variants of his friends as opposed to the actual people he knew
@@yuukinoyuki9064 1. Your weird and completely unrelated notion of rewinding Victor's personal timeline and never ending up at the end of time is weird and unrelated. I know you can't rewind Victor's chronological timeline and get to the end of time, not just because that doesn't make sense, but because I don't think Victor is the same variant as HWR. Technically, with Loki now changing events within the TVA's chronological timeline, it's still possible he could at some point become HWR, but I find it unlikely. 2. I understand why you argue they're the same variants. I disagree, though. Because, again, the timelines the TVA agents came from were created explicitly to recruit agents and then to be immediately pruned. So any new branch timeline that forms now, even if individuals from them join the TVA at some point, will not be the same variants, because they're literally from different timelines. And again, I don't think Victor will become HWR at any point in his life. He plays a role in the plan HWR set in place, surely, but I don't think the plan is for Victor to be brought into a causal loop. 3. The TVA agents weren't sent anywhere, they spaghettified. That had no way of avoiding it, unlike Loki and Sylvie. And we have no reason to assume that individuals who are spaghettified are sent anywhere, or that they continue to exist at all. 4. Not really important, but for some reason people assume that events that happened on the sacred timeline also happened on branches, but with different outcomes. But that's not necessarily the case. It's completely possible for a branch to exist that never experienced the Chitauri invasion, the destruction of Sokovia, the blip, etc. Also, I assume that if a branch is pruned, any timelines that branch off of it will have also been pruned. So there exists no timeline in which it is even possible for Mobius to have come from. 5. The TVA does exist out of time. And I never implied that I think the branches only start in the year 2023. I understand that the branches occur at various different points in time throughout the sacred timeline. My point is, as I've reiterated time and time again, that these new branches cannot be the same branches the TVA agents came from, which necessitates that these are not the same variants as the TVA agents we know. If Marvel decides to write that they are the same variants, then so be it. It would just be a contradiction that I would hate, but have to accept. But as it stands now, I am sticking with my conclusion as it is the only logical conclusion to come to based on what the show has presented us. 6. Again, I've noted that all variants (with the exception of Loki and Sylvie), have the same temporal aura. And while the experiences of each variant are different from one another, making them effectively different people, the fact remains that they are literally the same people. Slyvie is her own person, but she is also a variant of the same person Loki is a variant of, making them the same person, while also being different people. That doesn't make sense, but it would make more sense than Marvel contradicting what they've written so far. It's not like they haven't done it before, but they've spent two seasons creating rules that have remained uncontradictory so far, and it would be weird if they started contradicting them now.
@@DarthTingleBinks I'll leave it here, then. My point about rewinding Victor's timeline was to express the distinction between sharing a temporal aura and having shared experiences in time, but I digress. At its core your argument centers on the fact the spaghetified people can't be "sent" anywhere. Which might be true, or it might not be. Being pruned was meant to erase you from time but it sent you somewhere instead. Time will tell if spaghettification is an instant death. Or if it just atomizes you in one timeline and reforms you in a different branch. I'm almost certain that this whole story is meant be a closed loop with Victor being HWR and the gang being VA agents. But, again, time will reveal if this is true or not.
