In Episode 1, Loki says, "There's a fork in every road, yet the wrong path always taken." In Episode 6, Loki and Sylvie are on the same road, until they reach a fork when they have to decide to kill Kang or not. The path chosen was wrong.
Woah dude!!! That blew my mind. This summarises the character of Loki in general, where he committed many mistakes, and played with various people's sentiments. But now when he's changed, no one wants to believe in him anymore. That's why he will always be alone. That's why Sylvie betrayed him. She was just using him as a guide to get to the end of the citadel. Loki, would and always, remain alone forever. Maybe that would change in season 2.
I love how jaby is trying to explain complex scientific ideas and achara is just playing around being cute.😅 Jaby : The univese is like a doughnut. Achara : I like doughnuts 🙂 Jaby : everything gets sucked into a blackhole and then gets discarded eventually. Achara : so like an intergalactic poop💩😌 Jaby : it shouldn't be black holes but bubbles. There's an idea that each universe is a bubble in the greater space of multiverse. Achara : so we are in a bubble 💭🙃
Think of it as a thin wire tightly folded into a circle when it's too much pressure the wires start to stick out and could poke your eye out they are crashing into one another
I realize this hypothesis about TVA is make sense when I rewatched the episode and saw the last scene of 'our' Mobius was looking to the nexus event on the screen, and be like "well this already happen now, can't do anything, so I'll just watch this with b-15 now". But in the next scene, 'another variants' of Mobius was in the library and looked so panic about the branch. Suddenly, I realized "Oh this is a different Mobius then". And yeah, Loki finally being alone, again.
As per my understanding, that there is only one citadel (when opening scene camera came out of sacred timeline)but all other timelines are kept parallel to each other(as explained in last episode) by time keepers or "He who remain". If nexus event happens, and if it cross the limit it might get tangled with other timeline or create new timeline. And that's the basic job of each TVA present in each timeline to keep nexus event below the limit. And whole thing control by "He who remain" through multiple TVA in multiple timelines. As we get the ending of episode, all the timelines are cross the limit and started to tangled in each other and because of that Loki end up in other reality where on Kang stared to rule TVA or created TVA in first place where he cannot get controlled by "He who remain".
I keep thinking that the donut idea of reality would imply that the multiverse war that is coming is the very war that Kang originally stopped. I keep thinking it's the same war. Sort of like a beginning and end at the same time. So the War that he keeps talking about is the very war that he is also trying to keep from happening.
I’d love to see your reaction to Everything Always’ Loki and WandaVision finale scenes synced video. Right when He Who Remains says they crossed the threshold, there’s suddenly red in the time-stream, where before, it was just blues, greens, purples, and iridescent. I think it’s a great theory and it helped not break my brain.
It appears Kang was curating a timeline that circles back and overlaps on itself infinitely repeating with slight variations. In that sense anything that keeps that loops connected was allowed. The variety of Loki we see hint every loop is different but continue the chain. Any reality that didn't loop or naturally self destruct was pruned. It seems hinted that Mobius has existed through multiple loops and is not aware of it but Renslayer did somehow.
I feel like the second black hole was always there, When he who remains shows up he was like she still calling me that? when referring to Miss Minutes as if its been a while since she talked to him but according to Miss Minutes she had talked to him and been given instructions to give Ravonna. We know she can only be in one place at a time and has a slightly evil tone about her, what if she is from that other Universe and has been working for the other Kang all the time. As for the black hole thing with universes in bubbles :) well a black hole is pretty much a bubble that pulls things into it so its possible it at the centre of one a universe is formed with some of the matter from that formation (a big bang as seen in the start) getting expelled when that forms.
No... He is not in different timeline... Timeline rule apply only on the people who are living in the timeline... But Kang/ He who remains living outside the timeline, managing the same... So in relation to kang... No timeline rule applies on him... It's just each and every detail changed in TVA by Kang after the death of HWR... TVA is only one for all the timeline....and now it's reset by Kang...
Yes this is right theory there can't be multiple tva's or thing might get way to confusing. He who remains updates remeno to leave tva becoz it's going to be reseted. No matter what the out come if loki's would take his place or kill him tva would have been rested.
@@jaljeera_official she said that "the reality has shifted".... And obviously it did... TVA's reality shifted from HWR to Kang... Now it's the same TVA with different reality....
How can there be a different timeline when they clearly said the tva is beyond space and time that means it not in timeline if its not in time line there will be not alternative tva what is even happening
As Every time it is mentioned that time travels different in TVA as well as in the palace of Kang So the time spent by Loki and Sylvie in Kang's Palace is different as compared to TVA and during that time Ravona Might have returned and have replaced everything as she might have found the truth that kang is the Original Time keeper and have reset everyone's memory and replaced the statue. The concept of Multiple TVA Might be incorrect because during the talk between Classic Loki, Kid Loki and Mobius Everyone mentioned a single TVA.
There’s only one TVA as it exists outside of time and space in the Null Time Zone. The TVA simply got reset the moment Sylvie killed Immortus/ He Who Remains
@@sandeepanvkbhattacharyya8664 “according to comics” what do you think the characters and stories of the MCU are based on? Comic books and when it comes to cosmic related topics and organizations, there’s nothing to get confused about as it’s pretty straightforward. For example: Dimensions and Neutral Cosmic Grounds are completely different. For Dimensions, every universe has an Asgard, Dark Dimension, Nightmare Realm etc however when compared to Cosmic Neutral Grounds like Limbo, The Realm of Mistress Death, the TVA, Quantum Realm etc those exists outside of time and space and there are not any duplicates
@@sandeepanvkbhattacharyya8664 when comic readers like myself say we want comic accuracy, we just want the fundamentals and basics to remain the same. I can tell you that the MCU is 60-65% comic accurate because they for the most part have kept majority of their characters and stories in line to the source material but the other 40-35% is creative and new which works most of the time to keep fresh. But if the MCU start messing with the source material as for how certain cosmic topics work, that makes things even more complicated for both the casual MCU viewer and comic reader
It actually could be a different tva. In one scene they show our mobius with B15 staring and the branching timeline, numbly accepting it. He's also looking a bit disheveled with is top shirt button undone. When loki sees mobius, he's acting more concerned about the branching timeline like he just saw it and his shirt is button and looks a little better groomed.
You know what that's actually a good observation. And the last scene with Loki explaining what he saw to Mobius and B-15 are clearly not our own Mobius and B-15 cause before Loki joins them or starts talking to them they were discussing about Kang as he's directly controlling this TVA where they say "So what HE wants it all to branch out like that" HE here clearly referring to Kang or whatever version of Kang is leading that TVA which clearly is not our TVA.
13:28 they had blackholes because Stephen Hawking said, if you travel into a blackhole with the speed of light, you might encounted an alternate universe. Marvel used that logic to show that multiverse exist.
May be they were not trying to show blackholes… may be they were trying to show the universal bubbles which we interpretted as black wholes since there was matter revolving around it…
I makes way more sense to only have one tva. Each timeline having one would only cancel out each other. Their only purpose is policing time, different times policing the same events is way too much.
Here’s the thing what I’m getting: The last scene where Mobius & B-15 standing together, looking at the branching timelines, I feel like that they’re the people we knew throughout the entire show, like they’re embracing the impact of this situation. The scenes kinda merge to make it seem like Loki is back to TVA, which now has changed. But yeah, I mean, I still think that there are different TVAs that solve each of those branching timelines, cause before the timelines got more chaotic, it’s already branching. But yeah, at this point, people are still gonna theorize till the next season/movies related to this come out.
Mobius said something about “Nightmare” being another department of which he jokingly said he’ll help Loki bring down. Am I misinterpreting or was that intentionally hinting it is a similar department which governs the sacred timeline/whatever name they call it, of another Universe?
Interstellar's visual representation actually won science awards for it's scientific accuracy in visually representing how light behaves in and around black holes, which makes sense given that the man who wrote the book on black holes and time warps (the book is literally called black holes and time warps) was Kip Thorne. So while I largely agree with what Jaby was saying, the intro black holes didn't look too dissimilar from how Gargantua looked from a distance in Interstellar, but how they showed entering the wormhole in Interstellar was more accurate to how Loki showed exiting it.
The distance between those two black holes (likely supermassive black holes) is greater than you'd think; likely larger than our entire known universe. While the gravitational pull of those black holes would be awesomely incomprehensible, they wouldn't necessarily converge like you'd think, at least not immediately anyway. It would likely take eons.
*The Important Thing Is That **_The One Who Remained_** Said He Created The Timeline AFTER He Fixed HIS Timeline, And To Keep HIS Version From Fragmenting.* *Now Possibilities Of Another TVA To Exist At All With **_KANG THE CONQUEROR,_** Brings A Totally Different History & Reality! There Shouldn't Be More Than One TVA Because They Exist To Prune Or Erase Other Alternative Timelines.*
That's how most movies shows I've seen shows different universes as bubbles or like in comics they dis that too but also showed multiple earth's representing each universe like in crisis on infinite earth's I think they did both lol and in the new flash movie they do a bubble thing at near the end I think where they showed all these bubbles inside each one you see a alternate reality or universe lol. But even the times when they just showed multiple earth's earth is basically in a shape of a bubble lol so yeah we live inside or on a bubble on or inside a bubble inside of another bubble probably inside other bubbles lol surrounded by other bubbles lol maybe all floating along as a kid is blowing bubbles having fun lol.
no no no the donut theory is not that it is what you say from one vantage point that is top but when you change your vantage point and look the universe from the side it is actually a spiral model... sort of a paradox it looks like what goes around comes around from the top but sideways its not...
What if the past where Steve Rogers went is one of those branches. And maybe he went to the exact time when Loki's multiverse explosion happened. So in a way he's in a different timeline. Marvel has released the story order of a the films and series, and Loki comes just after Endgame. So in the end of Endgame and the end of Loki series happened simultaneously. Exactly when the explosion happened🤯
Also there is a possibility that it happens in parallel to wanda and when wanda was reading the darkhold branches opened and she heard her kids voices so yeh loki is the beginning
Loki and Sylvie remind me of the Doctor Who/River Song scenario in which they experience their relationship in opposite directions even though they both are travelers through space and time.
I begin to understand one thing that since loki season 2 is still not written so which ever theory become popular it will be in the series but with MCU twist
People who did not expected this...,should watch the loki finale 1000 times.he who remain clearly said if you kill me I'll still come back,in good form or bad form.what was so hard to understand???
what if the branch is not actually a branch but more like a gate to another layer of circle so instead of stacking from up and down it become like channeling the tunnel between infinite reality
i also thought the TVA Loki was sent to was in an alternate reality. sorry i missed your live stream of episode 6, i would have totally defended you on that. Even when i commented the same thing on OmN1Media's channel, he was like; How? The TVA exists outside the timestream and the multiverse. Sometimes, you just got stick with your gut.
It's simple guys, A Kang variant creates TVA , if there are multiple universes existing for long enough there will be multiple Kang variants creating multiple TVAs. Hence why He who remains didn't want branched off universes.
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-SEpYcdaEDAI.html In this interview with the Director of Loki Series Kate , at 6:35 she basically confirms that Loki went to another TVA , hence there are multiple TVA'S or at least 2 cuz we did see 2 different universe's in ep.6 opening scene.
The theory of multiple TVAs i really confusing as TVAs exist outside the constraints of time and space. And also if he who remains won the conflict of the Kang variants and he created the TVA , then he is the one who is in control of all the realities. If he doesn't have control over every reality,then another Kang could change the timeline and win the war that all the kangs had. If different TVAs exsist and a different Kang variant is controlling each one then what is the significance of he who remains winning that war? I really think it's the same TVA after reset
Then explain why we saw our original Mobius and B-15 AFTER the timeline had already branched, Loki had already been pushed into this TVA, and Kang had been killed? All of those significant events already happened, and then we still cut to see our og mobius and B-15 observing the branches on the monitor. Right before Loki gets up and runs into 2 different versions of them
@@jakewhite1760 i think the branching that occurred before Sylvie killing Kang happened due to some other event, remember how kang said we have crossed the threshold when the first branching started. For a branch to cross a threshold a nexus event must occur, it's definitely not Sylvie and loki meeting he who remains or the discussion they were having at that moment. It was something else, maybe the employees in the TVA knowing they were all variants could have been that event, because in that case none of the employees would have reset another nexus event or captured a variant and leading to that event crossing the threshold or it could also be something Ravonna did after she leaves. After Sylvie killsed he who remains, we see the og mobius and B-15 for hardly 5-7 secs. Now my speculation is that the reset doesn't take place the next second he who remains gets killed. If you look at the reset that the hunters used, it takes a few seconds before the reset begins after they place it on the ground. So what we saw of the og mobius and B-15 could be that short span.
@@aryam6538 so your explanation is that Mobius, B-15, and the entire rest of the TVA was all reset within the time it took Loki to run down a couple halls? Because we literally saw those OG versions of Mobius and B-15 RIGHT before Loki stands up and starts running, before he runs into those 2 new versions. I don’t buy that. That doesn’t make any sense to me
@@jakewhite1760 i mean loki did take more than 6-7 secs to run down 2 halls. Honestly loki did leave most of us confusing, there are definitely proofs that suggest that it's a different reality. Some things just doesn't add up well in both cases, we can just continue speculating things until we know watch the next movie. I still don't know why thanos wasn't taken in by the TVA because him traveling to the future is definitely a nexus event. It's all just too hard to comprehend.
Yeah this is complicated stuff. Quantum movement. Entanglement theory. How to walk through a door forwards and backwards. This can't be done unless the power of spirit, aura, telekinesis, or whatever energy is manipulated to execute an action in sync to the movement of the body. The people who wrote this show are just giving the viewer a taste of quantum theory in entanglement.
If he who remains actually wanted to hand over the duty to loki and sylvie then why he provoked sylvie in the final scene, I think he kinda wanted her to stab him so that multiverse could happen. I think he is the older version of kang and now he want to re live again. Ik lame but in comics he who remains is the older version of kang.
I like the video but eric forgot that that tva exsists outside of time and comics explained had a way better theory. Yep eric really messed up on this one
The reason we walk straight and come back to the same spot on earth is due to gravity. Space has no gravity, right? So walking straight in space shouldn't get us back in the same place right?
he meant like a black hole in middle of univeres which works like a attracting force like gravity...it's just a weird theory which i'm not sure but got debunked too.
When I watch the video from NR, I was lost at about 2 minutes. I don't think this are that complicated. I still think the TVA was reset. If what Voss said here is true, the MCU might lose a lot of normies
I think in the episode reaction, you guys said may be there is only one TVA which is immune or detached from these multiverses... that did not make much sense at that time.. having multiple TVAs makes much more sense... like one TVA per timeline or per universe...
BTW Kate Herron confirmed this is a different reality TVA, which is probably why Eric changed his tune, and I feel very validated because like you guys, this was my own understanding of it, and most people would refuse to listen about it
Yeah there are NOT multiple TVAs. I don't know why people can't seem to get this. They're outside time so changes to time wouldn't affect them. They've clearly all been reset by another Kang variant.
This guy told in last episode that timeline got reset after Kang was killed and I was like naah...this is new timeline. Now he's rounding back to the same idea. Huh.
This all depends on how close to the comics the MCU is. In the comics there is only one TVA that sits at the end of time with Immortus being an ally of the TVA and the Time Keepers. The MCU has taken its own liberty with the comics and gone its own way. Oh and by they way there is a theory about super massive black holes are the foundations of the universe and as we approach the point of maximum entropy all the supermassive black holes will eventually reach a point where they begin to collapse back on each other.
By the way don't try to make logic out of a multi universe theory because it is by nature absurd. What I mean by that is there are an infinite number of possibilities from an infinite amount of points on a timeline. The multiverse in comics is just a tool to tell various stories. Its relation to real world theory is that yeah there may be more than one universe as we know it but we can't tell because we can't truly get our minds around the one we are in.
Let's say what Eric said was true. Then all that the MCU is Earth-19999 is bullshit. They're making they're own set of rules. That would mean this franchise is null in the Marvel comics multiverse lore. The franchise story can go to a multiversal war while the other universes in the comics be like " you guys hear sumthin?" Lmao
Also he said the reset theory in his episode breakdown. And now the multiple tva's in another. He's flip-flopping lol. Probably afraid to be another Mephisto miss.
