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Long-Term Use of Antithyroid Medications 

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This webinar was produced by the Graves' Disease & Thyroid Foundation with a grant from the County of San Diego Community Enhancement Program, and was originally broadcast on February 6, 2021.
Featured Presenters:
Dr. Eve Bloomgarden is a board-certified endocrinologist at Northwestern Memorial Hospital and an assistant professor in the Division of Endocrinology, Metabolism and Molecular Medicine at Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine. Dr. Bloomgarden’s clinical expertise is in the management of patients with thyroid, pituitary, and metabolic bone disorders. This includes patients with autoimmune thyroid disorders like Graves' disease, as well as thyroid disease in pregnancy, osteoporosis, and parathyroid problems.
Dr. David Cooper is currently Professor of Medicine at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine and Professor of International Health at the Bloomberg Johns Hopkins School of Public Health. He serves as an Editor-In-Chief for Endocrinology for Up-to-Date, as a Contributing Editor of the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), and as the Deputy Editor of the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism. He is the Chair of the Subspecialty Board for Endocrinology, Diabetes, and Metabolism of the American Board of Internal Medicine. Dr. Cooper is the past President of the American Thyroid Association, and the recipient of the American Thyroid Association Distinguished Service Award.

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@offthehook1001
@offthehook1001 3 года назад
Thank you. I'm newly diagnosed and this answered a lot of my questions.
@ddfigueroa5618
@ddfigueroa5618 2 года назад
This is EXCELLENT information. I was diagnosed with Graves in September 2020 via thyroid uptake scan and ultrasound to confirm the cause of my thyroid dysfunction. I was immediately offered a radioactive iodine pill by the nuclear medicine specialist after my diagnosis. I declined because I had not even seen an endocrinologist yet. I had my first appt with the endocrinologist and was placed on a 2.5 mg dose of MMI. Over the following 6 months my dosages were adjusted and my thyroid panel (T3F, T4F,TSH) returned to normal range. My medication was stopped because of an uptick in my T4F levels and I remained asymptomatic for 6 months with no medication. The TSH levels started to decrease and my endocrinologist started saying I should consider a thyroidectomy because the ATD didn’t work. I was devastated because I felt that I had not been given enough time to ‘heal’ on the medication. I switched to a different endocrinologist and was again told that a thyroidectomy was the best option because it was ‘easier’ for them to manage hypothyroidism than hyperthyroidism. I still refused the surgical option. I was placed back on 2.5 mg of MMI and my levels (T3F, T4F, TSH) went back to normal range within two weeks. My research showed that non-USA countries used long term ATD treatment with higher levels of remission so I wanted to give my body the chance to go into remission. I wasn’t even on the medication for the recommended 12-18 months, but I’m being told that I don’t have a good chance of staying in remission after long term usage. My thoughts still remain that I’d just rather stay on a low dose of ATD rather than having no thyroid and at the very least, I should be offered the chance to take the MMI for at least 18 consecutive months before a thyroidectomy is discussed.
@leeefajardo
@leeefajardo 8 месяцев назад
How are you now
@ddfigueroa5618
@ddfigueroa5618 8 месяцев назад
@@leeefajardo I’m still doing well. As of my September 2023 bloodwork, I am in clinical remission of Graves. The TSI antibodies are no longer detectable. I feel good for the most part… I still get tired faster when exercising but I’m still able to exercise daily. My hair and nails are very long now and the debilitating brain fog has gone away. My endo wanted to take me off of the ATD in Oct, but I opted to continue to take 2.5mg twice per week. I want to remain in remission, so I’m hoping the low dosage will help facilitate that. I also have TED, which in my opinion is the worst symptom of thyroid disease. That’s another discussion, but all is much better with that condition as well.
@leeefajardo
@leeefajardo 7 месяцев назад
What is your diet? Glad that my endo allowed me to used mmi for maintenance but she said if possible she want me to go in remission and I am hoping too 🙏🏻 I was diagnosed since june 2023
@ddfigueroa5618
@ddfigueroa5618 7 месяцев назад
@@leeefajardo I’ve been plant based since May 2020, but I’m I feel that gluten also contributes to a poor prognosis for thyroid patients too. I’m not 100% gluten free but I feel way better when I eliminate it from my diet. I haven’t had any gluten since Dec 31st and I’ve had no brain fog since then.
@Armstrongcarol
@Armstrongcarol 3 года назад
This is exactly the information I have been looking for. Thank you so much!
@vickig7501
@vickig7501 3 года назад
Excellent information and very much appreciated!
@bdul-ob8sx
@bdul-ob8sx Год назад
Dr. Cooper saved me from RAI. Thank you 🙏
@jh48167
@jh48167 3 года назад
Excellent presentation. Thank you.
@olsonjaimescarrillo7832
@olsonjaimescarrillo7832 3 года назад
Excellent video - well presented. Thank you!
@tbrwn2548
@tbrwn2548 2 года назад
My doctor did everything in order as she stated. Glad to hear. I'm on 10mg twice a day. It was 3x daily
@anthonybags2626
@anthonybags2626 Год назад
How are you now?
@tbrwn2548
@tbrwn2548 Год назад
A lot better. Taking 5mg once daily now.
@lilefanvids
@lilefanvids 3 года назад
Lots of good information here. Thankful I have had endocrinologists who have recommended I stay on low-dose methimazole long-term. Thank you for this presentation.
@jdong7527
@jdong7527 3 года назад
How is it working for you? Are your neck and your eyes swollen? If they are how are you dealing with them?
@garyj6223
@garyj6223 3 года назад
@@jdong7527 I've been on methimazole 10mg and 20mg propranolol for 5+ years now and i'm completely asymptomatic, with no goiter and very little eye swelling.
@mialeitch1789
@mialeitch1789 Год назад
@@jdong7527 Please, what did you take to curtail or stop swollen eyes? Thank you
@mialeitch1789
@mialeitch1789 Год назад
Please, Would you be so kind to tell me the name of your Endo? I would like to make an appointment. Thank you.
@Ghizouw
@Ghizouw 3 года назад
Thank you so much for this !
@Scarlet-dp3xp
@Scarlet-dp3xp 11 месяцев назад
Thank u so much for this video it helps me a lot
@sunmoonadam140
@sunmoonadam140 3 года назад
Nice explanation
@lisahinds810
@lisahinds810 5 месяцев назад
The new studies done by the Iranian researcher were encouraging! I understand that after some years a very low dose can maintain normal levels ,but what are the levels people took during the 3-4-5 and 10 years in his study please? Im an American living in England (27years)and am being treated with Carbimazole, which I assume is virtually identical to Methimazole.I have also been treated in the USA,France ,and Netherlands.In 2006 indeed my American endocrinologist sent me straight for RAI.I declined and escaped to France .I stayed on Carbimazole 6-7 years and was on 2.5 mg before stopping and going into remission ,which lasted over 10years . Relapsed 2 years ago . Thank you .
@GravesAndThyroid
@GravesAndThyroid 5 месяцев назад
Hello, don't recall if that study provided dosing info, but can dig around.
@desppap5425
@desppap5425 2 месяца назад
Today are you still taking 2,5mg methimazole or have you decided thyroidectomy?
@SparkyOne549
@SparkyOne549 10 месяцев назад
A number of people have said that they got hyperthyroidism after vaccination, and or Covid, which would be a stressful life event causing stress than can induce hyperthyroidism.
@GravesAndThyroid
@GravesAndThyroid 8 месяцев назад
Yes, there have been some individual case studies published regarding new onset Graves' after vaccination or after infection. So far, studies haven't borne out an increased incidence of Graves' after either. The doctors we've spoken to do recommend that patients get vaccinated - unless, of course, you have a specific medical condition where it's not recommended.
@jencarter6785
@jencarter6785 Год назад
This is very helpful. My TSH is 0.37 which the endocrine team consider “normal”. Looks to me like a normal TSH is something above 2 and below 4! (43:05). Would love to know if anyone in the UK has found a consultant who is sympathetic to this approach!
@GravesAndThyroid
@GravesAndThyroid 8 месяцев назад
Hello - Sorry for the tardy reply. Not sure if the lab that you use is different from labs in the USA where the "normal" range is typically 0.4 - 4.0, depending on the lab. Some endocrinologists do prefer to see their patients in a tighter range. Have you had levels checked since your post to see if TSH has changed?
@jdong7527
@jdong7527 3 года назад
You said there are no side effects From the long term of methimazole use, but two endocrinologists told me that mathimazole can damage the liver, do you know anything about this claim?
@GravesAndThyroid
@GravesAndThyroid 3 года назад
Hello - Fellow patient here, but my understanding is that the side effects involving the liver typically occur during the first 90 days of treatment and that the risk decreases over time. The other issue mentioned in the talk (vasculitis) comes with an increased risk for long-term use.
@infinite8017
@infinite8017 2 года назад
I’d like to know this too. What happens when liver enzymes get elevated? Did you get an answer?
@SparkyOne549
@SparkyOne549 10 месяцев назад
I heard from an endocrinologist that liver issues can happen but are rare. Said there are people on the drug for more than 2 decades with no issues.
@Total_Body_Fitness_USA
@Total_Body_Fitness_USA 10 месяцев назад
My thyroid was perfect until after I got COVID back in June 2020. Then I noticed my TSH drop to 0.3 and free T3 increase to just barely over the high end of normal at 4.4. Then my mom passed away and I got a severe throat infection around the same time which was Feb of this year 2023. Did a Z-pack and cleared the throat infection and then in July 2023 end up in the hospital with fast heart rate 120-130bpm at rest. My TSH was
@GravesAndThyroid
@GravesAndThyroid 8 месяцев назад
Thanks for sharing your story - it's good that you kept your endocrinologist in the loop regarding supplements so they can best manage your care. Resveratrol in particular is believed to be a goitrogen and can potentially lead to hypOthyroidism!
@eveningstar1
@eveningstar1 6 месяцев назад
How can you NOT have trauma as a predisposition factor?! And a GI Map as part of the treatment.
@MONSTAF1SH
@MONSTAF1SH 6 месяцев назад
If your t4, t4, tsh levels are in nor.al range and your TSI levels return to normal, do you continue on low long-term antithyroid medication? I know Dr Eve Bloomgarden says no because it will cause hypothyroidism, but is that what Dr Cooper says? Or do you go off it and then go back if you relapse?
@GravesAndThyroid
@GravesAndThyroid 6 месяцев назад
Hello - we're fellow patients, but it's typical to withdraw the medication completely after a period of time *if* thyroid levels and antibody levels have returned to normal. Once that happens, your doctor will do frequent monitoring in the early weeks/months to ensure you don't relapse. (And of course, if symptoms return, you should contact your doctor ASAP.)
@DantesTalks
@DantesTalks Год назад
Excellent webinar! would it be possible to get the sources from the studies referred herein? Thank you!
@GravesAndThyroid
@GravesAndThyroid Год назад
Hello - Glad you enjoyed the webinar! We don't have a master list of sources, but all of the slides that the presenters use should have the study title and lead author at the bottom of the slide.
@el-magnifico1862
@el-magnifico1862 7 месяцев назад
How is RAI / Thyroid removal surgery is a solution if you still need to take hypothyroid pill after that anyway, yet my doctor recoomended it?
@GravesAndThyroid
@GravesAndThyroid 6 месяцев назад
Hello - if we had an ideal solution, it would target the underlying autoimmunity. Since we don't currently have that, we're left with 3 options that address the hyperthyroid state that results from Graves' disease: anti-thyroid medications, surgery, or RAI. All three have risks and benefits - it's reasonable to ask your doctor why they are recommending surgery versus medications or RAI.
@lynej2011
@lynej2011 3 года назад
Great presentation. I feel great on the Methimazole, but now my WBC is low. Is it okay to take meds to raise that count?
@GravesAndThyroid
@GravesAndThyroid 3 года назад
Hello - We're fellow patients, and the recommendation on whether to stay on methimazole despite low WBC needs to come from your doctor. Sometimes, WBC can be slightly low because of the hyperthyroidism itself, and this can resolve with treatment. However, there is a VERY serious issue called agranulocytosis - where a specific type of WBC becomes dangerously depleted. If that happens, your doc will likely recommend definitive therapy (surgery or RAI). Your doctor can help you make the right decision. Also, not sure what meds you are referring to that would raise WBC. (??) Please talk to your doctor before adding *any* medication or supplement to your regimen.
@natashamayberry3942
@natashamayberry3942 Год назад
Is it true, that once you get off the medication 💊. Then relapse and go back on the meds. you need to treat it as if you've never had the medication before? Each time you go off and on the medication, you could end up getting a reaction, or need a different dosage ect?
@GravesAndThyroid
@GravesAndThyroid Год назад
Hello - Sorry for the tardy reply, but yes, that's correct. If you stop and re-start the meds, you have to be alert during the first 90 days for possible side effects (particularly liver issues and low white blood cell count).
@meganpassalacqua8684
@meganpassalacqua8684 2 года назад
Does Methimazole cause stomach pain, I eat yogurt before I take it. Then all day have a stomachache
@GravesAndThyroid
@GravesAndThyroid 2 года назад
Hello - We're fellow patients, so please mention this to your doctor. Not sure how long before the meds you have your yogurt, but some patients do better with methimazole taking it *with* food. (It's good to be consistent taking it either with or without food.)
@natashamayberry3942
@natashamayberry3942 Год назад
I've been in and out with greaves disease for the last 12 years. It started when I first got pregnant 🤰. And every time I had been pregnant from then on. Whether I gave birth to the baby or not 😔. I had gotten on top of my greaves disease after the birth of my daughter, 5 years ago. Then in November last year, I got my Moderna shot. Not even two weeks later I got thyroid storm that almost killed me. And no dr at the hospital wanted to treat me, because of the attachment to the jab 😥.
@GravesAndThyroid
@GravesAndThyroid Год назад
There have been case studies of new onset Graves' after vaccination, but also after getting COVID. Pregnancy is a high-risk time for COVID complications, so we do recommend following your doctor's advice.
@natashamayberry3942
@natashamayberry3942 Год назад
@GravesAndThyroid I wasn't pregnant when I got the jab. I was saying I haven't had thyroid issues since being pregnant 5 years now 6 years ago. As soon as I get the jab with no other linking issues. I get thyroid storm and almost die. My heart was getting up to 230 bpm and the Dr's in emergency didn't want to treat me. I went to emergency twice, and they were both the quickest visits I've ever had. They hooked me up to all the gadgets found out the only thing linking me to my issues was the jab. Gave me a pill for my heart, didn't even wait for my resting heart rate to go under 130 bpm. Before un hooking me and pushing me out the door with a "she'll be right" gesture 😤😡.
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