Longer Range 30kWh Nissan Leaf | Fully Charged 

+glennwehmeyer It's still a larger pack and unless the charger is now much more powerful it will actually take longer. I'd also like to see a source for your claim of lower internal resistance.

+JRP3 Check this article out. it talks about faster charging with DCQC. Also mentions resistance.

+glennwehmeyer you mean you get more miles / minute left in the charger.

Faster using DC Fast Charging.

+glennwehmeyer faster to 100% or faster charge rate? It probably charges faster in terms of miles per hour regained but it's still a significantly (25%) larger pack so you'd expect a full charge to take longer.

+oisiaa Actually I think they're aiming for 60kWh for the next generation of the LEAF.

+zlozlozlo 2018 has been mentioned 👍

+zlozlozlo Wow - that would be a massive hit I think. I'd get one for sure.

Would be better but you wouldn’t be getting 200 miles.

Also--do you have an opinion on the Nissan NV-200 van?

the Tesla is a skateboard design. the leaf is similar. but smaller. I've seen the packs detached before. it's like a bigger armoured phone battery. it's sick. there plan is to keep working on battery design to make it more energy dense. more kwh in the same space/weight. imagine a 50 kwh pack the same size and weight as the original. efficiency is increased. price remains low. given there are cheaper computer cars. this is a solid car I've been in one since 2011... every year the range has increased. this one is actually nearly double the original effective range of the car. there are other factors at play here. some are software related/ weight reduction... but this is the first one to break the 24 kwh limit... they actually reduced the weight in the last model by increasing the energy density. giving it extra range. this one. the leaf is a superior designed car to the Tesla in my opinion. let's get real for a second Tesla has launched this industry. but Nissan has been hard at work perfecting the every day EV. Tesla talks about a day in the future when the 3 will get 200+ miles and be affordable. but that's Nissan's goal as well. in the mean time Nissan has a real car I've been in for the past 4 years. that's got a solid battery replacement program. that I've yet to need. and has more than doubled the range on said pack in those 4 years. in another 4 when I need a new pack. maybe it will be at that 150-200 mile level. but right now it works it's super affordable on a limited income. and I really love my car lol

+Mayhemm007 Perhaps you could drive your ICE more conservatively. Consider it a challenge to get the best mileage you can. Most people who buy EVs are concerned about conserving resources and will drive moderately no matter what. Nevertheless, EVs are, and will always be, different than ICE cars,

+Dave Curran mechanical park brake WAY superior, safer , more reliable than electronic. Heard horror stories of electronic ones failing (not on Leaf, just in general)

something tells me this will be out before the 3 and then some

+MrMolbach, I highly doubt it. The range drops heavily at those kinds of speeds and cold weather, and you should have a safety margin on top as well. But you can do the math yourself, as this one has 25% better range.

I don't think it will do. The Miev is actually a better choice if I have to stop and charge anyhow. It uses less energy, changes faster at 14-15 amps and still does the job. Its also about half price and I believe the service intervals are longer and cheaper. I have to decide if I want to change out my old Golf station wagon Diesel. The problem is no matter what I will miss something. I get 0.38l/10km or 60 MPG on this old 1.9 tdi and its great i just about every way :/

I'm hoping that my 1st gen Leaf can be upgraded so that when my battery does degrade (no sign of that yet and it's over 4 years old) I can get a larger battery.

it's the same pack size/shape/same connections. just more energy dense. so in theory when yours dies or degrades to a UN-usable state. you could upgrade to the new pack. or the better one next year after this. they say they want to get it up to 200 mi range. there was a test leaf with a 48 kwh pack a while back.

Yes, I've always assumed that by the time I need a new battery there will be a better one and probably for a lot less than you currently pay. I'm OK with my current range but there has been the odd time when more range would have been useful.

upgrade the batteries is more better than having to replace the whole new cars. thus reduce waste on landfill or power and cost to build a new one.

+jefferi chang Batteries and cars will be recycled, just as they already are.

themadplotte, 24 kwh leaf has 5 year warranty

Sernioum Deoiumnasderi is this a video for a 24kwh leaf?

themadplotter, 12k for 30 kwh? with battery? or battery lease? where? new? used?

+Bruce Moore I wish there was a clear Watt hours per mile/kilometer reading on the Leaf, there is on the Tesla and it's very useful, so basically I don't know, I'd guess it's roughly the same as 2014 Leaf

+fullychargedshow Robert, sent you a private msg on Facebook Messenger. Could not attach a screenshot to this discussion.

+fullychargedshow Hey Robert, see sample here: www.plugincars.com/sites/default/files/leaf-fourpointsevenkwh-620.jpg

JRoque250​ I was asking Robert to check the on board miles/kWh available in the driver's dashboard. Robert would not have access to information like you pointed out as he does not own the 2016 he was test driving.

+Bruce Moore let's guess the numbers given are calculable. I would not be surprised if the electronics are a step more efficient too.

+Chris Florio I asked the same question, the answer is no. It would fit but there are 'other issues' to do with battery management etc. Shame.

+fullychargedshow Officially you can't swap a lot of engines in ice cars but they get swapped anyway. I bet it's not long before someone with more brains than me figures out a way of doing it. Or even two of them.

+fullychargedshow thanks! I'm probably more likely to trade in my 2011 leaf for the really longer range one supposedly coming in the 2017 or so model year anyway. Even with 2 battery bars gone this leaf does everything I ask it to do.

***** Cheaper but then you still have a 4/5 year old car with all the wear and tear that goes with it. I would love to see it done though just because a leaf with a genuine 200mile range would be pretty much bang on for my trade. I would much rather use electrics because they offer much smaller fuel and servicing costs, clean running and are generally better. Only trouble is they need to be able to do at least 160miles in one go even if they have a/c on, etc. So far the only electric I can think of which could do it would be the tesla and they're prohibitively expensive for the task in hand.

Aleksandrs Grandeko, just import a used leaf from france, 2013 with heat pump can be found for 16k eur.

+Grumpy ol' Boot I'm not sure but indeed energy density is more about the space/volume while specific energy is mass/weight.

Country?

that's just the battery weight issue.

truantray Well, I go in bed and cry hard.

+Albert Ellis I think Nissan said it can't. Which is a shame, because they could make tons of money off older Leafs. This would also bring their dealership network some much needed income since EVs don't need a lot of maintenance compared to a gas car.

Very true 😮

+John Benton April 2016

You're absolutely correct. My bad; sorry. (When you get to my age you tend to forget these things!)

+Jens Kellner Yes, that's coming next week.

Exactly the comment was about to post

+Bryan Martin No, I'd say it was about the same

+fullychargedshow So the 30kWh battery is the same size.... Same cell count? are they any heavier?

+mrjaffar Newer batteries for EV's have gotten loads better just that the OEM's are not putting in the "best" in their cars to begin with. Which is why they have a company in California who charged $10,000 USD to UPGRADE the battery packs that came in the Toyota Prius from the factory. In the USA after a LEASE of a Leaf they are practically giving the cars away, asking the Leasee's if they want to buy the car outright for ridiculously LOW prices. If they keep doing this, it's not going to help do anything but kill the resale prices on these things.

+hung huge No battery rental. I'm not sure about the government grant in the UK.

haha, does the Sun shine, do bears sh1t in the woods, do many rapid charger operators cost anything yet, do we still have the grant. ;-)

+hung huge Renault are the makers that have the battery rental, which is probably why their electric car sales fall well below that of nissan.

byrdale true, Nissan has the option but few take it. Might as well rent all the car.

m1aws I wasn't aware that nissan gave the option. Thanks, I agree with your point on renting all the car. Most people i have spoken to on this subject are worried about re-selling a car that is tied to a battery contract.

+shadowx089 That would get you a 400Km range at motorway speed and 600Km in city driving. Personally I've found that I very rarely need that much range and when I do I am well compensated for the charge stops by the massive savings in fuel costs.

+shadowx089 Yeah, I don't understand why they wouldn't double the battery and give consumers the option.

Ryan Cappo Because you would also double the weight. The car already weighs two metric tonnes.

+Ryan Cappo... Chevrolet has doubled the battery size to 60kwh giving a range of 200 miles plus on the upcoming Bolt and it looks a lot better than the goofy looking Leaf...

+shadowx089 get chevy bolt its got 60kwh forget leaf silly range

+Adrian King Better for Nissan's sales, certainly.

+acerimmer2000 When it becomes financially viable.

+acerimmer2000 2018

+acerimmer2000 Whenever they do, I'm sure they're gonna' leave out the Ugly Stick treatment... Which would gladly not make it anywhere near similar to the ridiculously homely Nissan Leaf. I'm sure it will perform better in every way too.

When i drove the leaf when it was new i could get 225-200km out from it but the weather and temprature must be one you side and the drivers cababilty of driving the car, in winter the range drops