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Looking at Two Clavichords: Morley and Dolmetsch 

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!! IMPORTANT NOTE !! the Bebung is reviewed and clarified here in this fundamental follow up..
• Bebung on clavichord.....
Have a look with me at these two clavichords: Arnold Dolmetsch 1971-72 and John Morley 1963-64. Two instruments with the same compass (C-d'''), almost same size but very different sound and touch.
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10:47 short sound demo
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@richardk1598
@richardk1598 3 года назад
Thank you for the comparison! It is very fun to suddenly own a new instrument
@theclavierist
@theclavierist 3 года назад
It certainly is fun! And it is always a challenge to understand each instrument to make the most out of them!
@pocalvin
@pocalvin 11 месяцев назад
Love Byrd's Earl of Salisbury Pavan!
@theclavierist
@theclavierist 11 месяцев назад
Me too! I have done two versions of it on the channel, one on clavichord ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_9vxGHOJrF8.html and one on harpsichord ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-fu8RfFn9TxA.html
@federicohernandez1299
@federicohernandez1299 Год назад
Thank you very much for your video, your assessments of both instruments are really correct. Both instruments are magnificent. I want to ask you, in what type of metal are each one strung? Do you use wound strings on the basses and part of the tenor? Cheers!
@theclavierist
@theclavierist Год назад
Hi Federico! In both clavichords the lowest octave has overwound strings, in the Dolmetsch from c' downwards, in the Morley from B downwards. I do not know the metal of the strings. I am very ignorant when it comes to these things, all I know is mostly by observation. The Morley has all the original strings, so you might find the information from the Morley website or by contacting them www.morleypianos.co.uk/harpsichords--clavichords-3-c.asp The Dolmetsch has mostly what look like old strings (so likely original), and some replaced ones. I replaced 2 or 3 myself and believe it or not, do not remember what they were. Some of the overwound strings in the Dolmetsch are damaged at the point in which the tangent hits them. Overall, the clavichord could be improved more. This is Dolmetsch's website www.dolmetsch.com/index.htm - as far as I know it is not active, but you may find some information there. If you happen to be in facebook try to drop the question on a couple of groups there: 1- facebook.com/groups/2245345010/ 2- facebook.com/groups/3015517912047371/ If I find the answer one day, I will let you know!
@jimwalsingham1827
@jimwalsingham1827 3 года назад
Thank you for the comparison. Very interesting and big difference in the sound. I do prefer the Dolmetsch but the wood on the Morley is lovely. As you get to know it you might be more accustomed to it's character. What number is it? Mine is 2557 from about 1974 in darker wood with fluted legs.
@theclavierist
@theclavierist 3 года назад
Hi Jim! I certainly think that the Morley has something to offer! It's different, so I will try 'different' music on it and see what happens. A part from the different sound and touch, I think the Dolmetsch's sound projection makes it suitable to be played for a small audience, whereas the Morley remains a friend for the intimacy, or maybe one player and one listener. The Morley is number 612, 1963-64. I did call the shop a year ago and they told me the exact date, but I forgot. Also the original pitch would have been a'=440. It's probably gone down with time and lack of use. I wonder if bringing more tension to the strings by gradually raising the pitch would increase the volume of sound as well.. hmmm.. possible..
@jimwalsingham1827
@jimwalsingham1827 3 года назад
@@theclavierist Hi Yuri. Yes, raising the pitch might increase the tone slightly. I know that harpsichord wire sounds best when it is close to breaking point but I don't think this applies to clavichords. I suspect it will always be an intimate sounding instrument but that is always what the clavichord was. On another note - I have put an extra layer of felt under the music desk to help dampen the lower strings. They would leave an extra full string note after you released the key. It did help a bit but didn't fix the issue. How is the flute - brave chap......
@theclavierist
@theclavierist 3 года назад
Hey Jim! Thanks about the confirmation on the pitch thing. I don't need more volume from it, so I will just maintain it as it is. The flute is a very slow progress.. the advantage compared to ten years ago is that now there are loads of reliable tutorials online. I still remember some things from the lessons I had in India, so it's a matter of time and perseverance. Do you mean brave because of the flute? or the water?... the water is habit, it get's easier to be in there by the day.. the progress there is faster than in the flute playing..
@jimwalsingham1827
@jimwalsingham1827 3 года назад
@@theclavierist I initially meant the flute. Not easy to make a good sound. I had forgotten about the water in a haze of on line piano lessons. I saw someone in the sea a few days ago .....looked cold.
@wolkowy1
@wolkowy1 3 года назад
Sinus the bebung effect - is there a real different in touch between the 2 instruments? As for the bebung: shouldn't it be touched from left/right (or vice versa) and not up and down the key? - I myself don't know because I had no opportunity to touch a clavichord (although I love hearing its sound), but from my youth-days I remember that someone told us the students, that it should be vibrated left/right (to tell you the truth - I'm not sure he knew or touched the instrument either...). Thanks a lot for this comparison.
@theclavierist
@theclavierist 3 года назад
The touch is different by miles! Two different worlds! When I first touched a clavichord I instinctively tried that right/left movement you mention here and nothing was happening.. then I tried it with added 'hand shaking' and still nothing.. then I realised that the only way to produce an alteration in the pitch of the note was to stretch the string more, hence to do the up/down, also because the keys don't have any movement sideways. I need to apologise for the violence I committed against the Morley here! What I did in this video cannot be called a Bebung, hence my little note to say 'UAUA', something that would please much more Herbie Hancock than any true clavichord lover. I need to practice the Bebung properly. I think a proper Bebung should do small fluctuations in pitch once the note has sounded and not these awful twang that you heard here! 🙃
@theclavierist
@theclavierist 3 года назад
Just a follow up on the touch.. To give you an idea, on the Morley as soon you press the key you are the bottom and the bottom is rather 'bouncy' or 'elastic'. With the Dolmetsch one travels much more downwards and the bottom is not so 'bouncy', hence the need for more control. I find that with the Dolmetsch the more I keep my finger tips relaxed on the keys (in contact) and activate the finger from the knuckle, maintaining the hand relaxed, the better control I get.
@wolkowy1
@wolkowy1 3 года назад
@@theclavierist thanks for the follow-up!
@OscarRuiz-gj3mp
@OscarRuiz-gj3mp 3 года назад
I was introduced to the clavichord from recordings by Thurston Dart and the harpsichord from recordings by Igor Kipnis way back in the 70s when I was in my early 20s....I am an old man now (I play electric guitar) but I have been always been in love with old klaviers. Oh I forgot to mention that the first Harpsichord sound that I heard was from records by Wanda Landowska, using those old monstrosities, the Pleyel's Harpsipianos ....LOL!
@theclavierist
@theclavierist 3 года назад
I think there is a certain affinity between the electric guitar and old klaviers. After all, 'klavier' (or clavier) music did derive from lute music! I can't say that I like the sound of those 'Harpsipianos' or even revival harpsichords, but certain performances from that time are great! I have a vinyl of Rafael Puyana and take my hat off for his Fandango by Soler!
@OscarRuiz-gj3mp
@OscarRuiz-gj3mp 3 года назад
@@theclavierist Oh I love the Fandango! there's a record somewhere in my collection by somebody i forgotten now (i am old!) with a highly energetic version, the sound is magnificent! (mid 70s recording) ...LOL!
@theclavierist
@theclavierist 3 года назад
@@OscarRuiz-gj3mp I was dancing to that Fandango last time I listened to it!!
@OscarRuiz-gj3mp
@OscarRuiz-gj3mp 3 года назад
@@theclavierist Yo! your enjoyment of the Fandango induced me to go spelunking thru my vinyl collection till I found the record i told ya...its called ''Battle Imperial'' with Jonathan Woods performing on a 1964 Rutkowski and Robinette with 16' register(!!) ,That instrument got ALL the bell and whistles...and sounds magnificent, not muddy at all....the batalla imperial by Cabanilles is sooo good!...but la creme de resistance is the last cut on side 'b' the Soler Fandango...the recording is a Pavane Production for London Records. 1976 - I suggest you hunt it down but if you can't, get in touch w/moi and I might be able to gift it to ya.
@theclavierist
@theclavierist 3 года назад
@@OscarRuiz-gj3mp I have found a digital version of it in the amazing 'Harpsichord Vinyl Gallery', one of my favorite youtube channels! Check it out! Lots of things you might like there. Now I will take the time to listen to it properly. The 16' foot certainly adds to the special effects for the 'Batalla' :-) . In any case, thank you so much for the generous offer of gifting the record to me in case it was not available anywhere! Extremely kind of you, thank you!
@RosssRoyce
@RosssRoyce 3 года назад
Morley sounds so much more beautiful to me, in spite of being silent! Thanks for presentation!
@theclavierist
@theclavierist 3 года назад
Very interesting! I wonder if the 1/4 comma meantone (even if a little off..) makes a difference for those harmonies on the Morley. It certainly has its character in any case.
@RosssRoyce
@RosssRoyce 3 года назад
@@theclavierist it would if these were more polyphonic chords, but for me it is this darker, yet with cristalline overtones timber 😀
@theclavierist
@theclavierist 3 года назад
@@RosssRoyce yes, I agree, it does have that
@erick-gd7wo
@erick-gd7wo 3 года назад
What i can say is... Morley will be enchanting in slow pieces s.a Sarabande or similar. It just have the RIGHT character. Dolmetsch sounds more *grand* for a Clavichord, similar to concert Clavichord if I'm not wrong
@theclavierist
@theclavierist 3 года назад
Hi Erick! Thanks for the comment! The Morley certainly has its own intimate characteristic sound. The Dolmetsch is smaller than the concert clavichords you may have in mind, in fact it's the same size as the Morley, 4 octaves, but it does produce an incredible amount of sound for its size!
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