To me, this film was more like a cinematic essay than a documentary. In an essay, you still use facts and sources to set your credibility and present an issue, then you use arguments and anecdotes to argue your opinion on said issue. That's what Moore did with Columbine, and even though its not great at being a documentary it's so good at being an argumentative essay and an entertaining and disturbing piece of cinema I'm glad to own in my collection.
Unfortunately the fear generated by this events is what leads to innocents including myself getting into trouble for no reason, I believe one way we could prevent these school shootings from happening again is via online education not in-person schooling which led to kids being killed
@@Railhog2102 although it works for a lot, not for most and children are suffering the effects of not socializing with their classmates via physical presence, affecting their mental health and social skills amongst others
Because we haven’t done a damn thing about! If we get more people politically involved across the country, American life would be different! But since we’ve tolerated it for so long, change is all but a distant star above the sky. Until we do that, the struggle continues.....
Literally the best film I've seen in a long while. Doesn't just focus on the shooting its self. It showed everything going in that could have possibly caused this tragedy.
I don't hate guns because I'm a firearms geek but something has to be done to prevent these mass shootings from happening again, Unfortunately in the over 2 decades since Columbine nothing has been done by our leadership to stop these events like red flag laws for every state and other laws that could've saved lives
Criterion fans trying to claim the world’s most seen and talked about documentarian is a hack and doesn’t deserve to be in the collection are out of their gd minds
Most "Criterion fans" don't care all that much about the films. Most "fans" just collect the movies to sit on a shelf and never watch the film. Check some of the Criterion binge shopping clips on youtube. There are plenty. These kids are a strange bunch. Hell, most of them who despise this film will still purchase it because it has a catalog number they need to fill.
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I live in Brazil and even here, a violent country, people are not allowed to have guns. The president is trying to make a law to allow citizens to have guns in their houses, which is a terrible and stupid idea considering the low level of education
Two documentaries that should be added to the Criterion collection, Smartest Guys in the Room, and, Silicon Cowboys. Two amazing documentaries, each defining the American Dream from different sides of the spectrum. And honerable mention goes to, A Crude Awakening.
Charles Knowlton translation: I don't have a good comeback because I know michael moore is fat hypocrite so I'll accuse people who don't like him of jealousy because nobody can question my slob hero michael moore
@@emiliobello2538 Herzog already did it with that incredible film "Into the Abyss" They don't have to show actual bodies, but police video of the crime scene might make people rethink. Sandy Hook is the worst shooting in US history and yet some seemed to shrug their shoulders and move on.
nikosvault Hmm. There are a few good points. Such as how the NRA used to be more concerned with gun safety rather than lobbying for guns everywhere, and that a lot of the fear in American society stems from racism.
I don't think he realized that his documentary would backfire or ever realize it to this day but it did. Many of the shooters mentioned wanting attention and notoriety like the Columbine shooters and by having a big name in Hollywood make a documentary about the situation kind of sets up this idea of becoming posthumously infamous.
Columbine is used as a strawman to push for gun control. What the left doesn't tell you is that Columbine wasn't just a "mass shooting," it was a failed bombing. The two boys involved originally intended on blowing up the school but their bombs failed. Either way though, the gun laws that were in place already didn't work because they weren't enforced properly. Moreover, gun control is always the key topic for the left, but they never seem to address the other issues regarding the motivations behind these atrocities. Think, our country included the right to bear arms in the founding documents. That's over 200+ years of gun rights. So how come these "mass shootings" have only just started in the past 40 years or so? The problem is cultural based.
USA has an old history of shootings, but in older times those were politically motivated and the shooters expected to get away with it. Nowadays the kids are shooting the schools as a suicide plot, they too want to die, they've succumbed to nihilism. The reason why they pick guns over bombs or arson is because, like a lot of suicidal people, they want to make it personal, to "spectacularize" their acts - just like jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge is much more spectacular than just poisoning yourself. So right you are that there's a cultural problem going on, it's much more complex than just gun accessibility.
The character assassination of Charlton Heston was pretty fucking disgusting, especially considering his legacy as a civil rights advocate. It seems that all he is remembered for now is this documentary.
Isn't it really hard to buy a gun in the U.S? The problem is that there are so many homes with guns, that a family member who is mentally unwell can easily access a gun and use it to get back at school bullies, or whatever they think is the cause of their pain.
I just saw a news story in my home town of a retired couple who have guns all over their house, and the husband who was retired military, has dementia, and for what ever reason started shooting. He shot his wife accidentally. After she came back from the hospital, she told reporters that she doesn't fault her husband, and she's happy to still have guns around the house. The rot is deep in America.
It’s not really hard at all. It depends on which state you live in. And you can always cross state lines to buy a gun. There is no national registry when you buy, some gun stores and gun shows don’t even ID you. Some times no background checks or the bare minimum. Definitely no mental health check. It’s incredibly easy to buy. You can buy them online and have them shipped to you.
You could say that the film helped to raise the profile of the killers and the whole infamy related to publicity and legendary status of these mass shooters. Whether we like it or not, they go down in history and they get a kick out of that. He’s happy to put the blame everywhere else but his film may actually inspire another episode of mass shooters.
Michael Moore has no credibility as a documentarian and this is an insult to filmmakers who attempt to film and produce factual events. There are so many other documentaries that could be in the Criterion collection, it's a shame that Criterion chose a film with such biases that a 10-year old could see it.
Ever seen Hoop Dreams? There are plenty of countries with strict gun control, go live there and listen to how the government wants you to wipe your ass after you take a shit
Guido Anselmi After which he says 'You want to effect change and if that change doesn't come..' In other words he doesn't see his film as having had an adverse effect just no effect, or he would have said: 'and if that change is a backfire' or something like that.
I just watched it again on youtube and as a Canadian, I guess I'll never understand you guys love for guns and killing...it's to protect yourself and your family...totally crazy...as electing Trump for President...
The movie is crap. It never gave focus to the obvious - bad parenting. Moore has yet to reconcile his own experience with the bad parenting that failed to protect him from molestation. His self-destructive habits will likely end his life early. Yet rather than face this, he spins a yarn about "guns" rather than the parental neglect and violence that is impetus for personal and social chaos.
It was bad parenting, music, movies, bullying, mental illness, but at the end of the day, what did they use? GUNS. you can’t have gun violence without Guns. when will you morons stop trying to blame everything but what is really the cause of mass SHOOTINGS.
I will never forgive him for the way he treated Charlton Heston in this film. Ambushing this man who was clearly suffering from Dementia and didn't have the mental faculties to express himself was shameful.
Do you expect absolutely no rights or protection from your government? The existence of illegally obtained firearms doesn't dismiss the need for regulation, anymore than the existence of illegally obtained drugs suggests we shouldn't enforce substance codes.
