Regarding Boromir. Within the story structure, Boromir exists to demonstrate what the power of the ring can do to people. He’s not evil, far from it, Boromir is one of the great heroes of mankind and widely trusted and loved by his people. He’s spent his entire life defending his people and fighting against the growing power of Mordor. He is among the best of mankind, and the ring so quickly consumed his thoughts and corrupted his mind just by being near him. Can you imagine what havoc it would cause amongst less noble and heroic people? Boromir’s fall is one of the great tragedies of the literary world.
Thank you. I was hoping someone would explain it. This is demonstrated by how quickly he returns to being a good person and a hero as soon as the ring is outside his general vicinity. As soon as Frodo runs away, he realizes what he did was wrong and basically gives his life to save the fellowship. It is very much a demonstration of the evil power of the Ring and not so much on Boromir being a bad person.
You put that beautifully. There is so much depth to each of the characters. To just think that he's flip flopping between good and bad totally misses the point of the power of the ring.
Also, if it makes you feel better, "Mount Doom" is just the mountain's nickname in the language of the Hobbits. In Elven, it's Orodruin, also known as Amon Amarth, and yes, absolutely everything in these books has a bunch of names. You get used to it.
And to add an extra layer, all the names we know are translated to English as well. They aren't Frodo, Sam, Merry, and Pippin, they are Maura, Ban, Kali and Razar. Tolkien went many levels deep in this stuff.
I'm also pretty sure that it's Doom in the sense of fate or judgement (ie the older meaning of the word). The mountain is mentioned in ancient prophecies as being bound up with the fate of Middle Earth in some way, iirc.
The disrespect to Boromir 😭 It's supposed to show that even the best of us can be tempted by the rings power. He's the most human and one of the most heroic characters
Boromir had been through more than the regular guy and his city was the first in line from Mordor to cop any shit. Lost many men. His passion to win drew him in.
The reason why you can see stars in Galadriel’s eyes is because she was the last elf to see the Tree’s of Valinor. And Christopher Lee is the only cast member to have known Tolkien.
Boromir died with his honor. You have to understand the depth of the characters. Boromir's father is not the king but is still in charge of keeping the kingdom safe. To do so he has put intense pressure on his eldest son Boromir to fight off the enemy and keep everyone safe. Boromir knows the task is extremely difficult and that should be the job of the King to take on that responsibility, but of course Aragorn refuses to be King. Hence the anger he expressed toward Aragorn. After losing men in battles and seeing the devastation of war first hand, Boromir has a great desire to have the strength to fight off the enemy. The other members do not have the same responsibility and therefore do not have the same desire to twist and manipulate in order to turn him bad. But given time all members of the fellowship would be influenced by the ring one by one. Boromir's love for his people and desire to fight the enemy to save his people is what the ring used to manipulate him to turn bad. The ring takes what's inside of us and amplifies the dark parts within us. Hobbits are simple people with no experience in fighting and war; that's why Frodo is resistant. But the longer he has it the more he will fall victim to it.
@@tavern.keeper it does stand on it's own. The other films may have added more reasons why Boromir did what he did, but it doesn't get rid of the fact that the film shows that even Galdalf was afraid of the rings influence so much that he wouldn't touch it or even be tempted to have it. That alone should show that the ring can influence anyone and hating someone for being too weak is wrong. Even Galadriel said in this film that one by one the ring would consumed them all. So yes, this film does stand alone well enough to fully understand. Taking a long break during the film was probably a hindrance to truly understanding the film
Boromir was ready to just take the ring from Frodo. But when Frodo ran away he realizes what he was about to do, and instantly regretted it. With Frodo out of reach, unable to make amends with him, he gave his life to safe the other Hobbits, protecting his weaker companions.
Frodo is "resistant" because Hobbits don't really seek out adventure, nor power. Unlike all the other races of Middle Earth, they enjoy simple things, the quiet life. Frodo and Bilbo are somewhat the exceptions being that Bilbo chose to go on an adventure (in the hobbit), and Frodo always had the spirit of an adventurer as a kid. In short: The Ring has less to work with in terms of greed and desire for power in hobbits.
I heard that the ring can corrupt people with more power easier than those with less and so hobbits are resistant compared to powerful beings like Galadriel and the wizard Gandalf. People were also saying that is why you would not want the egales near the ring carrying Frodo to the volcano as it could easily corrupt them, but I never read the books, so I'm not sure.
@@josephjackson4312 The One can corrupt anyone who wants something, because it can help them get it. Hobbits however are some of the most content creatures in the world, the ring doesn't have anything to offer them.
@@allengator1914 yeah ... I reckon it was only out of the greed for security maybe since it got him out of many situations... Most of the time the ring just escalated senses of suspicion since it had nothing else to hang onto like greed for power.
The circumstances of how they got the ring is a part as well. Frodo at least acquired the ring through a peaceful transition, Bilbo found it and kept it through a game. Isiuldur was violence, smeagol was violence. the corruption worked faster in those cases. But you're right, hobbits don't really worship power or money, they worship their bellies and food.
Every single reference you made (Willow, Harry Potter, etc.) was made after the Lord of the Rings (LOTR) books were written and took inspiration from either the LOTR books or movies. Love how many similarities you noticed!
When you watch the next films - be sure to *turn on the subtitles* as you were missing about half of the dialog without them. Tolkien was a linguist and he invented all the languages you hear spoken in the film - and they're all "real" in that you can learn them if you want. Useless Trivia: Liv Tyler learned Elvish for the film - and is still fluent in it to this day.
I didn't even realize you could turn off the subtitles that appeared in the movie when it was seen in the theaters. Why would that even be an option when only the most uber of Tolkien nerds would maybe be able to know what they are saying without them. lol
@@marcw6875 because DVD/BD/4K have multiple subtitles. If it had hardcoded English subs, where to place - say - Spanish subs? On top of the English ones would look bad
You'll definitely want the subtitles going forward, because the elf language is translated. The fascinating thing about the source material is that Tolkien was a linguist, first and foremost. He created the languages first and then built a world around them. That takes a level of brilliance that's just beyond anything done in literature and it's why these books were the groundwork for fantasy stories that came after.
I wonder where/how she's watching the film. On the DVD and Blu-ray versions, the translation subtitles appear automatically. I suspect Ashley missed a lot without the subtitles.
He wasn’t just a linguist. He was a professor of Ancient Languages at Oxford. He specialized in Old English, or the Anglo-Saxon language. Of which many places and people in the Middle Earth he created are directly taken from.
Boromir's death was very sad and heart-breaking. He was a good man but the One Ring's influence twisted him--but he recovered himself and gave his life protecting the hobbits.
I always thought it twisted him so well because he wants that power to protect his people, more than anyone. But that desire for power is the ring's greatest weapon against you.
When J.R.R Tolkien first wrote The Lord of the Rings, it was written as a single 1200+ pg book, but the publisher insisted on splitting it into 3 books. The thing is, they didn't really re-write them to be stand alone books. It's really just one story broken into three parts. As far as the similarity between LotR and other franchises (Harry Potter, Willow, Dungeons & Dragons, and many more), the LotR books were extremely popular over the years and were the first of that kind of fantasy.
@@northernpunx1978 Those were the days when you turned over metal to be reshaped into weaponry and all citizens were issued gas masks -- _everything_ was in short supply, including hope of victory.
Borimir is a absolute hero. The ring had corrupted him, and he had to battle within and came true and just at the end and died a warrior and redeemed himself. He is a good guy ultimately.
Boromir isn't bad. its the influence of the ring that corrupts him. you have to think of the ring like it is a drug. it is so powerful that its influence can literally change people into totally different worse versions of themselves by playing on their fears and desires.
Exactly. When you rewatch the movie you can see why he was so loved by his people. He's always the one looking after the others and offering comfort when they need it. Even the fact that he starts off so resentful towards Aragorn and does a complete 180 speaks well of him.
I knew literally nothing about LOTR when I went to see this movie at the theater, and to this day it is one of the absolute best cinema experiences I have ever had.
You should read the books. They are beautiful and incredible all at once. The things you like about movies are intensified and expanded tenfold. It’s a wonderful saga. I recommend putting on the soundtrack to the Lord of Rings while reading it, it really helps the atmosphere.
That's exactly what Peter Jackson was aiming for when he made The Lord of the Rings Trilogy: He wanted it to be a satisfying experience for both the Tolkein aficionados and the average movie goer.
And then you look up what else there is and find the Silmarillion. It is the story of the world spanning many thousands of years and the events of LotR and the Hobbit is just a handful of pages at the very end...
Remember that any time you see our main characters acting strangely, counterintuitively, or just plain recklessly....that's very likely the Ring's influence. It's an active character in the narrative. It doesn't merely whisper (to each of them separately), it manipulates and corrupts in service of its goal of returning to the hand of its creator, the dark lord Sauron. I say this because you've completely misjudged Boromir. He's an honorable man who was being manipulated by the Ring.
@@MidnightHowling Hey, another person with jokes who should keep their day job, like me. And I say that as someone who laughed out loud at your "borrow" joke. haha
I would agree with some of the other commenters: Somebody misled you. This is NOT a film with two sequels; it is an adaptation of the FIRST PART of a very long, single novel (NOT a trilogy, which is three novels which tell a larger story). All the things you complain about are adventures along the way in the novel; each has its importance individually, and as a part of the growth of the characters (particularly the Hobbits, who tend to be a rather insular people; in fact, the runes on the title pages of the novel translate to our alphabet as "The Lord of the Rings: Translated from the Red Book of Westmarch by John Ronald Ruel Tolkien. Herein is set forth the History of the War of the Ring and the Return of the King *as seen by the Hobbits* ). While Jackson & Co. added various little bits (largely of broad humor), there was little, if any, adding of monsters and such; if anything, they cut back on a lot of that. (For instance, the Nazgul, or "Ringwraiths" -- the Black Riders -- are both a terrifying and a piteous set of people; men who themselves fell under the dominance of Sauron ages before, and whose fate was not to die, but to live long beyond their natural lifespan as "living dead"; ghosts who can never rest from their torment. They are, essentially, the damned. We get a little of that in the films; but the full impact can only be caught by multiple -- or very close -- viewings. In the novel, it plays a larger part, both in the emotional complexity of the characters, and a development of the moral and ethical issues involved.) The background is dealt with more fully, and more nuanced fashion, in the novel; but as so much of it plays an important role in the "present" story, it *had* to enter into the film in some fashion, or you'd have been left with something which would be as flat as a water-color painting on a child's notebook. Adapting a work as complex as Professor Tolkien's is one hell of a challenge, which is why it took nearly 50 years to accomplish, even in this flawed form. (I doubt anyone can even approach anything like this again; at least, in any film medium we've seen so far. It would take something we've not seen yet: a genuine visual novel in a theatrical setting, to come even close to doing it justice. But for all that, these films, wonky and flawed as they are -- and I have a lot of quibbles with them myself -- they are an incredible achievement. But looking at them as separate films, rather than one very, very long film split into three parts for the sake of viewer convenience, is a mistake. It distorts the entire viewing experience and leads to false assumptions and, therefore, disappointment and irritability. Just as a side note: When the final part, "The Return of the King" was about to be released in its theatrical form, there was a venue here in Austin which showed both the previous parts, IN THE EXTENDED CUT VERSION, beforehand, on the same date. I wasn't able to go, but I must admit, that is an experience I regret not having -- seeing these on a big screen, all together? My muscles might never forgive me, but frankly, I think it would have been well worth it.....
As someone who re-read the 6th harry potter book the day before the 7th one came out and then read that one in one sitting, I can guarantee you that your muscles would not forgive you for a long time... ;)
I went to Trilogy Tuesday back in 2003, and it was an AMAZING experience. But I am happy to tell you that there are often special re-showings of the trilogy at theaters, you just have to look for it. I've seen the trilogy together in theaters four times by now~ So you definitely can too! Protip: the 15 minute breaks in between sounds long, but it's barely enough to stretch, use the restroom, get more drinks and snacks, and get back to your seat for the next film lol. Also like Korgan Rocks said, your body will hate you for sitting in one position for so long. Prepare to recover from what is essentially the equivalent of a 12 hour car ride. Good luck!
I went to a full extended edition showing before the ROTK (theatrical version) launch in Michigan..... I had to drive from metro Detroit to Flint to find a theater with tickets (they only sold 1/2 capacity tickets, to allow everyone twice the space to spread out for the long showing), and since the ROTK premier showing started at midnight, I didn't get home until almost 6am. Probably half the people there were dressed in cosplay gear. Good times.
@@johnpaullogan1365 It was written in six parts called "books", but they were not intended to be published as six physically separate collections of paper; Tolkien intended them to be published as a single volume, but the publishers balked at the cost.
I think what was missed regarding why Frodo isn't acting like Bilbo with the ring is that Frodo just got the ring. Bilbo has had the ring for something like 70 years. The ring IS affecting Frodo, just not yet to the level of Bilbo due to duration of possession.
There is something about Hobbits that gives them more resistance than any other race. It’s because they don’t desire wealth like the Dwarves or power like the Humans. There are more pure and innocent and are able to resist it better. Obviously it’s still effects them though.
Actually, it's corrupted him already, which is why it was so easily able to influence Frodo throughout the movie despite spending less time with it. THINK about it. Bilbo raised Frodo, from childhood into adulthood, he was in the vicinity of the Ring. It was already whittling away at him. Just like we saw with Gimli striking the Ring, Frodo flinched in pain, because he was already tethered to it. It's why he could see the influence the Ring hand, when it's evil showed Frodo what it was doing to them, it WANTED Frodo to take it. Manipulation if you will. It's why so many get shocked when Frodo couldn't destroy the Ring. He was already so bound to it and finally carrying for a long time cemented it. We could see how pitiful someone as pure hearted as Frodo became at the end. The beautiful friendship between Sam and Frodo was his saving grace in the end but it was already too late for Smeagle. Who had already become something so utterly devoid of itself, that they wouldn't have been able to handle living in a world without the Ring.
@@nobinary2296 this is different from the book's portrayal of Frodo. He is wiser, stronger and more actively courageous than he is in the films. He is never shown as pitiful until he and Sam are suffering in Mordor. Certainly Frodo couldn't have survived the Quest without Sam. But what saves the Quest is Frodo's mercy to Gollum. The films show Frodo as more susceptible to the Ring than in the book, but also noone can resist the Ring in the place where it was forged, so it will overcome everyone in the end.
Lots of people confuse that Lord of the Rings got inspired by this or that. But in reality, by every means it is Lord of the Rings which inspired all other stories since 1955!
Hello, Ashleigh. I think you have the makings to be one of the more popular movie reactors on RU-vid. It's why I watched through the whole reaction despite it being very difficult to go through. That being said, this video is rife with all the problems associated with lesser reactors not worth watching. Not every moment needs performative quirkiness, snarky one-liners, complaining about the length, and asking questions that the movie is literally answering as you asked the questions. Lord of the Rings isn't just a franchise many love, it is a beloved artifact of literature that arguably birthed fantasy (and science fiction) as we see it today. I feel it deserved more respect and attention than you gave it in this video.
This! To many just view these films as a box to check for their channels. Without respecting the material. The least you can do as a reactor is respect the material considering all you're really doing is stealing others hard work.
31:36 Ironically that was probably the most important gift any member of the Fellowship received As one of the greatest Elves to ever live Fëanor asked Galadriel for a strand of her hair multiple times to use in his craft and she denied him every single time Meanwhile ,Gimli wanted a strand simply to remember her by , a show of humility that resulted her in granting him *three*. This was also the moment that Legolas gained a newfound respect for Gimli and what started their friendship. Cause if one of the wisest Elves in existence trusted Gimli , why shouldn't he.
Fëanor asked for a whole lock of hair, three times. Gimli asked for a single strand, got three. Coincidence? It's the most underrated and beautiful scene in all the movies imho, buried in lore.
Do you have a reference for this connection to Feanor? I have read the Silmarillion, but don’t recall running into it there, or in the book of lost tales (volume 1&2).
@@barrywade3774 In terms of the timeline its during the First Age around the forging of the Silmaril which was about the time of Melkor's unchaining It is stated outright that Feanor took heavy inspiration from Galadriel's hair in the making of the Silmaril, initially even wanting said hair to create them in the first place
Boromir (Sean bean) is supposed to be a tragic character. His entire family and town are fighting directly on the front lines with Mordor. That's why the scene with him wanting to use the ring as a weapon. The reason he keeps bouncing back and forth is that he's supposed to be heavily affected by the ring. You find out more about his past later, but his death is tragic because he truly did care for the hobbits, but the ring's influence was just too strong and targeted him as a weak link. He went to the meeting and became part of the fellowship because he and his loved ones had the most to lose and are being killed daily by Mordor's forces. Half of why he's so angry is because everyone else ISNT being killed because HIS people ARE, being on the front line.
@@darthkyren3676 Right? He's a man with strong desire to save his home, his loved ones, his people... his country has already been at war with Mordor and it's known they will be overrun because there are so few left to fight this evil, and here...here is a mighty weapon that might save all that he loves. Honestly, he basically says this in the movie and I've always felt his motivations (both to agree to the fellowship and why he was corrupted) were pretty straight forward.
Re: "Willow vibes." While fantasy as a genre existed way before J.R.R. Tolkien, he is the father of the "high fantasy" genre. The novel, "Lord of the Rings," built a world extremely detailed and complete, filled with actual invented languages and many beings such as elves, orcs, hobbits, dwarves, and....whatever Gandalf and Saruman are. (Hint: space angels) Most fantasy novels and films since then have borrowed heavily from the LOTR universe. So...what's *really* going on is that Willow has LOTR vibes, not the other way around. The only reason you experience the opposite is that you saw/read LOTR second!
Other two major contributers to modern fantasy are "Dying Earth" and "The Tales from Earthsea". If it wasn't from LoTR, it was probably from one of these two.
So rules of watching LOTR for Ashleigh. 1. Make sure the subtitles are turned on so she doesn’t miss the elvish plot points. 2. Maybe not watch the extended editions.
Usually I'd suggest people with a shorter attention span watch the extended versions in two parts, but she did that and still couldn't get through it 😅
@@Makkaru112 but the problem is we're not trying to homage the books. That's why the extended version almost never works for new viewers (do you know a lot of people without a Tolkien or high fantasy interest who loved the EEs? Like, people who don't already know what to expect when they here "elf" or "orc"? I don't know a single one). I think of Fellowship like the Hobbit book: a way to jump into a new, fantastic world.
@@Makkaru112 That only matters if there is _respect_ for the source material already from the viewer. The average non-fan watching this for the first time doesn't give a crap about Luthien or even understand why they _should_ care.
You made references to Willow, An American Werewolf In London, Harry Potter, The Neverending Story, Star Wars, Stranger Things, Roger Rabbit, Rapunzel. The Secret of Nimh, The Guardians of the Galaxy 2, Dead Poet Society, Animal Crossing and ET! Brava! I'm so PROUD of you!
Fyi, the moments when they stand around talking languages everybody else doesn't understand, should have subtitles. I've seen other reactors confused by it, too. Some formats don't have those translations by default, I'm not sure why. The Elvish conversations have a few clues as to future events, might make the movie more understandable. Hope it helps.
Yeah, and there's an awful lot of that in the extended edition. Hint for anyone: untranslated dialogue of more than a couple words is extremely rare in films. Turn on subtitles for those parts, if they're not present by default.
I've noticed in a few things I've watched recently on various platforms (most notably: Kimiko's sign language in The Boys on Amazon) that for some reason parts that should have subtitles, don't... unless you have subtitles on all the time. Not sure why that's happening so much lately.
Not "should" have them. They _do_ have them (at least, I'm pretty sure). They just don't seem to be turned on by default. What idiot decided to set it up that way _and_ not warn viewers to turn them on? (Why would they be off anyway? My guess is, so you can choose a language and not have English always there?)
Yeah, came here to say this too. There are subtitles, but for some reason they aren't showing unless you turn on all subtitles. Honestly, though, that might help with keeping track of names (people and places). There are a lot of them and there are going to be even more coming.
The gifts from Galadriel aren't lame, especially the three strands of hair. It's a whole story line in the Silmarillion, but the short, short version is that Galadriel has repeatedly been asked for a strand of her hair and she has always refused. So for her to give Gimli, a dwarf, three strands of hair is a huge deal!
Yup. Feanor wanted a strand of her hair, but Galadriel knew he was a conceited jackass. He asked 3 times and she told him to get bent each time. She sensed that Gimli wanted it purely due to true adoration of her, so he gave her a hair for each of the times she denied one to Feanor.
Ashleigh, did you watched this without subtitles for the Elvish and other languages? 😂 I particularly looooove the linguistic and phonetic beauty of those parts. To think that Tolkien (the author of the books) created around 16 full blown languages with all their vocabulary, grammar, different typography, lore and more... it's just mind blowing. And some with declinations like ancient Greek or Latin... Can you imagine? "Yeah, I just finished creating Latin, I'm making German tomorrow". 🤯
@@Makkaru112 Some were more fleshed out than others. Most were just some words or phrases (mind you, this is still completly awesome). I think that's what Brad was saying. I think Sindarin and Quenya are the only two complete language (might be wrong, been a wheil, need to brush up on my Tolkien knowledge^^)
It's like you didn't even try to understand the movie. All you seemed to want was something mindless and easy to follow. This movie series came from a book series that spawned the fantasy genre that we know today. None of the dwarves, elves, hobbits, or humans(including Boromir) you saw in the movie were bad. They were being corrupted by the ring. Hobbits are unusually resistant to the corruption though. That's part of why Bilbo could last decades with it without fully turning, and Frodo has to carry it now. Any non hobbit would almost instantly lose themselves to the ring.
Try doing reactions yourself. I promise you, it's _very_ far from easy to constantly make comments, during something that's already tough to follow, and still manage to follow it. Maybe you'd prefer to be one of those "reactors" who just sit there without saying much, letting the movie do all the work (effectively stealing the content)? I promise you this: The reactors who provided an adequate amount of commentary for a 'fair use' reaction, and still managed to follow it no problem, have either already read the books or seen the movies (or both). despite what they told you beforehand. UNLESS they don't do 'fair use' full reactions for Patreon and have the luxury to pause the movie each time they speak.
@@futurez12 I see. So no bad reviews allowed. Just say "That was great." and move on. Why even have comments turned on then? Just click like, which I did, and that's it. I didn't trash her. It was an observation I made with an explanation behind it. This genre obviously isn't for her and that's okay. You'll never find a movie that everyone likes.
I always tear up at Boromir's death. The ring corrupts this hero of men just by being near it and then he sacrifices himself trying to save Merri and Pippin.
"Do we have a universe with many languages in it?" Ashleigh, JRR Tolkien's Middle Earth is the GOLD STANDARD for universe-building with many languages in it. The author of the books it is based on, Tolkien, was an Oxford professor of philology (studying the origin of words) and his hobby was constructing fictional languages including the _history_ of said languages. His world is _intricate_. You're going to have a blast.
@@sldawgs I don't know if that was his motivation, but I know he wrote at least two separate fully developed Elvish languages exclusively for his Middle Earth stories: Sindarin and Quenya.
@@sldawgs No, he created the languages and world first. His best friend, one CS Lewis, kept pestering him about it needing a story (they were both part of a story writing club called the Inklings) until he finally started writing them.
... gotta be honest, this was mildly frustrating to watch. Watch the extended version, complain about the length. Watch without subtitles, complain you don't understand the foreign languages. Watch a trilogy, complain you don't get every single answer in the first film. Cut the film into two viewing sessions, complain the story doesn't catch you. Felt like you really didn't want to watch this, really don't like this type of film, and almost intentionally messed it up for yourself. It's like you intended to dislike the movie from the getgo, did not even do the most basic of thinking ("hey, if everyone is talking in made up languages, maybe I should have subtitles?!?"), and just wanted to trash it. If you really didn't want to watch it, I think it would be better you just didn't. Or at least opened by saying you didn't want to, but were pressured into by followers. Also, it's only Marvel that does end credits stuff. It's not a thing.
I couldn't understand why you didn't like the parts that were in Elvish until you said you didn't have subtitles. I didn't know that there even was a version where these conversations weren't translated on screen. When you do get around to watching the other movies, I'd highly recommend making sure the versions have those subtitles, because there's a lot of information there.
I mean It's like recommending she have the sound on or actually watches the screen. How she went through a 3 hour long movie without realizing she was supposed to have the subtitles on is astounding.
@@teentitans0789 It seems kind of harsh to say she hates it & shouldn't watch it just because she was understandably frustrated with not getting the dialogue for those scenes. It may not be entirely her cup of tea, but the idea that she can't watch it unless she loves it is pretty ridiculous & smacks of gatekeeping.
When Ashleigh announced last week that she was watching this, i was excited for it, but her review is a bit underwhelming. However, she has somewhat shot herself in the foot - when she said that people are speaking in a language that no-one could understand, i facepalmed and nearly shouted at the screen. What Aragorn and the elves say to each other is at least 10-15% of the plot. On the next one Ashleigh, TURN ON THE SUBTITLES!
SAME!! I dont know why they didnt auto pop during those scenes.. i swear they were there automatically whenever i watched them. she missed so much if that didnt happen
I've been thinking about this since i made my post and you're both right - it should be on the movie. . She may need to use a different provider next time. If she puts on the TV or computer subtitles, it might just say 'speaks elvish'.
@@andream3568 if I recall correctly, it has been a long time since I have watched the DVD version, when released on DVD the majority of the Elvish had subtitles in yellow automatically. For some reason when you stream it they no longer do that 🤷♂️
While I appreciate that she did the extended, her reaction is exactly why the theatrical should be the first viewing. At least for Fellowship, which I feel is the film that is least aided by the extended cut. Two Towers is great either way, Return, however the extended is mandatory, the theatrical cuts too much out, to the point that unless you have prior context from the books it can be hard to get what's going on(IMO).
I was gonna comment the same thing but figured it had been done already lol. The xtended version is more for the book fans and the movie fans who, after viewing the trrilogy and googling the world and characters like a FIEND, rewatch and use the xtended version.
for the first watching of the trilogy the theatrical cut is the best. if you are a fan and want more, go ahaed an watch the extend cut. i watched the theatr. cuts as they came out in cnema and i didnt miss anything.
The movie should have been a lot longer... If you're bored by the story, maybe it's not for you. This movie isn't mean't to be a standalone story so I wouldn't expect everything to conclude in the first of a trilogy... Also, everything you dislike about Boromir was because of the ring's influence. It's helpful to remember that the reason Frodo left the fellowship was because he knew it would corrupt ALL of them in the same way it got to Boromir. He was just the first to fall to it's influence.
I'd get bored by a movie too if I missed half the dialogue making jokes and asking questions about things that were going to be explained a second later...
it's kind of the same with Star Wars. It makes no sense that she seemed confused by the movie ending where it did, when she had very little problem with the SW movies ending where THEY did...
I couldn't help chuckling when she references Willow, Harry Potter, Never Ending Story. ALL of those films took inspiration from Lord of the Rings. It is the genesis of much of what we now consider "Fantasy". I also noticed most of the stuff she hated as taking too long were the extra scenes for the extended version. A lot of that boring talkin' wasn't in the theatrical release. I still hope we get reactions to the other two. Each one is better than the one before it, with Return of the King being oh so MUAH!
Ashleigh really shouldn't have started with the extended versions. For a newbie, most of that extra stuff is a slog. Peter Jackson himself said that the theatrical versions are his final thoughts on the movies, while the extended versions are just a bonus for hardcore fans.
Ashleigh, Elves are literally light on their feet hence walking on top of the snow, you will see this throughout the movies. Boromir was a great and honorable warrior, the ring corrupts everyone and it hits humans extra hard. Tolkein lore goes soooooo deep, Nerd level deep so there is 90% you don't even know was there, you would have to read the books. You have to watch the other two movies, Fellowship is the slowest moving of them all.
also in the books there are a lot of poetry and songs. And Tolkien were a proffesor of languges and did create several languages complete with grammer for his world.
I wish the movies had given Boromir more time to show how good he was before the ring corrupted him, you don't get much and you're immediately sus of him every time he looks at it. Maybe they should have included the flashback with Boromir and Faramir in Fellowship, so you see how desperate their situation is and how much Gondor is depending on Boromir. Of course, it didn't help that Sean Bean played a bad guy in everything I had seen him in up to that point, so I assumed he would be an antagonist in some way.
IIRC, Mt Doom does have a formal name: Orodruin Also, there a LOT of subtleties presented in this movie that are explained and fleshed out in the next movies, Gollum especially, but also Boromir and Aragorn. You need to follow through if ye seek knowledge and wisdom.😁 "All that is gold does not glitter, and not all who wander are lost"
Also called Amon Amarth, literally Hill of Doom. Tolkien mostly uses "doom" in the sense of a preordained fate, not necessarily a "bad end". Men are "doomed to die" not because it's an evil thing, but rather because it is their preordained fate (versus the elves, who were doomed to persist in the world until it's ending; Tolkien says the elves and even the gods may eventually envy the fate of Men, which allows them to leave behind the burdens of the world, though to some unknown end).
40:14 "I need it all to be simple or all to be complicated. There is no in-between." Oh dear sweet summer child Ashleigh, there HAS to be an in-between. With a LotR adaptation it's always going to be a balancing act as to how simple or how complicated do you really want this to be because there is no end to the trivial details and minutaie these hefty LotR tomes contain that you could laden your film down with. But seeing as the name "Mount Doom" is what brought this comment about, well, here 's how it could have gone,... *takes a deep breath* Located in the lands of Mordor, on the plateau of Gorgoroth, connected to the dark fortress of Barad-Dûr via Sauron's Road, lies the great volcano known as Orodruin (a Sindarin grey-elvish portmanteau meaning Fire Mountain, broken down as Orud - mountain, Ruin - fiery embers, burning), more commonly known in the Third Age of Middle-Earth as Amon Amarth (Sindarin for Hill of Fate/Doom), or "Mount Doom" (a rough translation of the Elvish name by Gondoran humans), named as such due to the many mysterious prophecies relating to the end of the Age and this mountain. On the volcano's slopes lies a great fissure half way to the crater, known as Sammath Naur (Sindarin for Chambers of Fire), or in Gondoran, 'the Crack of Doom' (snigger), and this site is the actual destination the Fellowship is instructed to deliver the One Ring of Power to for its destruction. I feel like the screenwriters just went with the easiest most understandable title for the objective destination, the tacky but memorable "Mount Doom" and just stuck with it for the whole series. In some instances these films will actually bring up secondary or third names for places, items and people, but not anywhere near as much as the books could allow for. Nobody read this, but I still had to let my nerd flag fly on this one, haha.
Oh trust me, mellon nin, I read your treatise on the lore and respect your use. And judging from the number of likes, you've received, you and I are not alone
This is stupid and condescending. I hope you feel embarrassed having wrote this tbh. The same way you insist Ashleigh refuses to see things from YOUR perspective, you are refusing to see them from hers. Did you think that the information you gave here was going to change her mind? Who did you think this comment appealed to if not just people who are already long-time established fans of the franchise? Yikes.
When you notice all the lore details, but don't understand why they're in there and you think it's a mistake. LOL. Legolas is an elf, and elves are special, they can walk lighter and see further which is why he walks on top of the snow. The wraith horses are not scared of water, they were just scared of that ONE outside of Rivendell which protects the border of Rivendell. And yes, there are a lot of different languages in Middle-Earth, even different dialects depending on the age.... wait YOU DON'T HAVE SUBTITLES? girl, get you some subs!
Ulmo was very close to the elves and all middle earth. In the books he literally works with Elrond to smite the Nazgul and render them useless for quite some time, in junction with the magical heraldry from Glorfindel. Many nice artworks out there for that very scene!!
@@Makkaru112 Yepp, we are talking about Glorfindel, who was part of the host of Elves assaulting Morgoth's fortress itsself, not some servants of a servant of Morgoth. Glorfindel alone should have been able to take on all nine Nazghul himself if he had seen it necessary to do so. But the Nazghul hadn't been around as humans at the time Glorfindel helped kick Morgoth's butt so they didn't have first hand experience about what was facing them across the ford.
@@RustyDust101 Remind me, please. Was Glorfindel part of the host of elves that left Valinor for Middle Earth? He’d lived with the Valar and seen the two trees? (Like Galadriel too)
@@DBCuzitis from what I remember yes, he died fighting a Balrog but was eventually sent back. Hence why Legolas especially seems terrified of the Balrog, greater elves than he have died to it
Boromir is one of the best characters. His death broke my heart. Curious as to how you can't see his depth and struggle, and at the very end, the bravery and redemption.
She is quite shallow. I don't say it as a bad thing. Its what its but for the Lord of the Rings could be a bit annoying if you dont understand the characters. It happened the same when she reacted to E.T.
@@TothanCrawk What about Boromirs part is simple? Hes is the one with the biggest dilemma and also the one with the least selfish reasons to desire the ring - the love for his home and the wish to save his ppl, is what turns him mad. There is nothing evil about him, he never mentions any intentions to use the ring for something selfish. And dont let me start with the relationship to his Father and Brother or the brilliant symbolism of the Osgiliath Scene from the two Towers. What about Boromir is simple? smh.
@@piratsnygg They may mean that it isn't very complex from a writing standpoint. Most of the tenderness and humanity given to him is not from Tolkien but from Peter Jackson, Fran Forgotherlastname, and Philipa Boyens when they adapted the screenplay. At least when it comes to his bond with the Hobbits and the emotional impact of his death on the Fellowship. Boromir is more complex because of the characters surrounding him than he is complex on his own, like the stuff with his father and brother that is better than any scene with Boromir himself lmao. At least that is my opinion, and I know how you LotR fans can get about opinions lol
Was excited you were reacting to the greatest trilogy in cinematic history. Sad you are not able to appreciate it and all its symbolism. . . yet. This classic tale was written in stages between 1937 and 1949. Many were upset when Peter Jackson decided to make it in to a movie. Tolkien's writing is so descriptive no one thought the movie would do the books justice. But when the first movie came out, everyone was blown away as it appeared just the way one would have imagined when reading the books. Tolkien actually created several different languages for the book and there were subtitles in the theater. Many of the actors said they had wished for more scenes in elvish because the language was so beautiful. Boromir was a man of honor. His character shows us the ring's power and ability to corrupt even the best of men.
Ashley was talking way too much and not paying enough attention. I think she was bored. Hopefully Ashley will get hooked when she watches "The Two Towers".
@@Buskieboy If you’re not hooked after ‘The Fellowship’, you won’t care about the rest. I hope she doesn’t react to the other 2 films. I definitely wouldn’t have recommended the Extended Edition.
@@Buskieboy The problem was the stupid fool who made her watch the extended cut, its clearly too long for her attention span, she needed to watch the cinematic cut first and maybe watch this later down the line
Agree with all 3 of you, Buskieboy, slw59 and Juzu Juzu. I'm coming away from this with the impression I sat down with a small child to watch something with real greatness in it, the child talked and jabbered and chattered all the way through it and never gave it a chance to be anything other than long and boring, and then peppered me with questions about it all the way through while talking over the parts that held the answers. It doesn't matter to me if Ashleigh does reactions to the other movies or not, I won't be watching them. This one was enough to drive me up the wall. Definitely _not_ my usual feeling after watching a reactor enjoy this classic tale! I do like a lot of her reactions when she allows herself to get really into them. But for others, she does that thing where she just comes in too hot, tries to have some kind of snappy one-liner to everything, and just doesn't allow herself to relax into the picture. It's like being trapped in the theater next to someone who just doesn't 'get it', who keeps replying with inanitites at the screen for 3 1/2 hours. Replying ain't reacting....
Boromir's death is one of my top 5 scenes in the trilogy and probably the one of the best dialogue exchanges for a death scene. Showing that he would not follow Aragorn upon first meeting him due to his birthright and then Aragorn proving himself in Boromir's eyes showing him he is a good strong leader, and in his final moments accepting him as his King.
I think this was literally the first time I've seen someone not care at all during that scene. She'd put him on the naughty list and no amount of orc-slaying was gonna redeem him!
@@korganrocks3995 Yes, I agree. I found her reaction very disappointing. On the one hand she kept commenting on how the ring affected people, and then she completely discounted it when it came to Boromir's 'flip-flopping', as she put it. He was out of the influence of the ring and he was himself again and she completely ignored that. I was very disappointed, as much as I love Ashleigh's reviews, super disappointed to see that she did not understand what she was watching.
@@korganrocks3995 His character was extremely whiny, superficial, and daft in Fellowship. If that's all you'd seen, and you lacked the context from the books (that you obviously bring...), you'd feel the same way of Boromir. That is to ignore of course that two people can have different relationships with film, and your interpretation does not need be the correct one. Your real frustration is with Jackson's interpretation of Boromir's character, and the poor way he established his backstory (because if he is so grand as you say, the movies do not establish that fact.) You aren't actually frustrated with Ashleigh, whose opinion is rather valid if you're rooting for Frodo and his gang (as the movie suggests you should.)
@@A38I have plenty of frustrations with Jackson's interpretation of the books, but this ain't one of them. I've seen dozens of LotR reactions on youtube, and all those first-time viewers reacted the way Jackson intended in that scene, without having read the books first. As kaitlyn said in response to my first comment, Ashleigh definitely noticed the ring affecting people, and then completely discounted that when it came to Boromir, which is kinda bizarre. I've watched a bunch of Ashleigh's reactions to other movies that I like, and I had no complaints there; she just genuinely seemed really off her game in this video, for whatever reason. I don't hold it against her, and I haven't seen it happen again, but if this was the first video of hers I'd ever watched I probably would have written her off and never returned.
I feel like you missed the point on Boromir. He's there to show that the Ring can corrupt anyone, and although we tend to see him as kind of a jerk, he's motivated entirely by wanting to save Gondor and specifically Minas Tirith, and the Ring plays on that.
I've never before seen anyone sit down to watch this movie with no patience whatsoever. The book Lord of the Rings is almost as thick as the New Testament. There are three movies. That's why you haven't met Gollum yet. That's why "the twins" were not rescued. That's why they haven't gotten to Mt. Doom. This is just the beginning of the story. Calm Down.
Unfortunately, some people have subconscious biases, and while they think they're going into something with an open mind, they've actually written it off before they begin. As a teenager who devoured fantasy books that became my go-to subject for making a comparison to a real topic, and I quickly learned how to tell who could listen to the actual point being made, and who heard the word "fantasy" and subconsciously decided to discard anything said as nonsense.
@@korganrocks3995 that's why she weirdly didn't like E.T. She said that she thought it was going to be a different kind of movie than it was. That's why she hated it. Hating E.T. is like saying you hate the Wizard Of Oz...
@@korganrocks3995 I became a serious film fan when I was only seven years old. Unfortunately, my mother was a cinema snob who categorically dismissed ALL horror, sci-fi, and fantasy movies as trash, unworthy of serious review or consideration.
@@Llewellyn2844 My mom does the same thing with fantasy and sci-fi, but will watch any kind of ridiculous ghost-related stuff without realising the hypocrisy...
Is it just me, or did she basically just say "fuck this" and not give a damn? I'm totally cool with people having different tastes, but this was almost like she just didn't care.
Daaaaaaamn....I've watched probably every react channel watch Lord of the Rings, every single one of them, even like...Russians who barely speak english, completely grasped the gravity and power of the story, and how incredible it was. I've watched probably every single one of your videos, I was absolutely not expecting you to miss so much. It felt like you weren't watching the same movie as us. That's never happened. This isn't some crazy fanboi thing either, I feel like you just weren't paying attention-Maybe you just didn't want to watch it but felt forced to by your audience so went into it with a bad mind set....
The truly amazing thing is that more people didn't react this way to the movie. I LOVE the books and the movies but lets be honest, a ton of it is undiluted nerd stuff lol. It's great that Jackson left so much of it in but it was a gamble for regular audiences.
Ditto. This was the very first "reaction" channel I ever found, and I've been watching and waiting for this set of films. I'm *very* disappointed with the shallow take on them... almost to the point of unsubscribing and playing the "do not recommend channel" card. The fact that it's been three weeks and no follow-up is pushing me there pretty hard. Very disappointing. I mean, I don't expect everyone to like these movies.... but I just don't care about the opinions of those who don't.
You are missing one important thing - she reacts this way to everything, and when she does show some emotion, it is cheap emotion, without depth. I watch her reactions from time to time precisely because of how shallow they are.
"Welcome to Rivendell... Mr. Anderson" is what my friend whispered the first time we saw this in the theater. The rest of the audience was wondering why our row was laughing so hard.
Yeah, my friend said "That's the guy from the Matrix." in realization at regular speaking volume the night of the release during the Council of Elrond.
Okay, Ashleigh, here’s the deal: in a way, the ring is alive. When the Dark Lord made his ring, he put part of his soul into it. Since being cut from the Dark Lord’s hand, the ring wants to get back to its master. But since it doesn’t have any legs, it has to rely on tempting people to get where it wants to go.
@@Dracojax As far as a brief and easy explanation...yeah. It's magic, there are life forces and all sorts of stuff going on with it, but yeah, it's just a horcrux or whatever.
The proper name for Mount Doom is actually "Amon Amarth", that is the Sindarin (Elvish Language) name for Mount Doom in The Lord of the Rings. The name is much cooler than just Mount Doom, but it was much easier for people to understand with that name from a storytelling perspective than it's Elvish translation.
Yes, this is a case of 2 names within the same language (Sindarin) for the same thing. _Orod_ (mountain) _ruin_ (burning, fiery red), and _Amon_ (hill) _Amarth_ (fate, doom). The volcano earned this latter name back in the Second Age of Middle Earth, when its eruption signaled Sauron's attack on Gondor. The name was only spoken as 'Mount Doom' in the Common Speech, or Westron, a language derived from the native tongue of the Men who came to Middle Earth from Númenor, and which was, by the time of the events in LOTR, spoken by all the peoples of Middle Earth, although with some amount of regional dialect. 'Hobbitish' was a fairly rustic variation of Westron, perhaps reminiscent of the Yorkshire Dales to the English ear, or possibly one of the Southern accents to the American ear. I find it funny to think of Merry and Pippin inviting themselves into the Fellowship at the Council of Elrond, delivering those lines in a low-country Mississippi accent, or Sam threatening Strider at the Inn, drawling like a Kentucky hillbilly.
@@crush41gb this video not only made me unsubscribe from this channel but it also made me not enjoy reaction channels in general. Besides Blind Wave I haven’t watched a reaction video in a long time.
Ashleigh, did you really not think it was weird that there were no subtitles during the Elvish scenes??? Girl, you gotta get an actual copy of the movie xD
Willow was a film made from what was left over from an attempt to make The Lord of the Rings by Lucasfilm. Excalibur was also made from sets and props made from an attempt to make The Lord of the Rings into a feature film. Every time you've seen a group in a fantasy setting: a man, an elf, a dwarf, a halfling and a wizard, that's always been based or inspired by LOTR. These books helped to inspire everything from World of Warcraft to Dungeons and Dragons. It's pretty much the building blocks of modern fantasy and many RPG games still use the same questing dynamic in the groups of friends that assemble for various epic adventure stories. Tolkien (along with Frank Herbert) also pretty-much invented the process of world-building in fiction. Now, its standard to build the universe first and then set the stories in it but back when Tolkien was doing it, he was THE pioneer.
I would say that Tolkien was A pioneer, not THE pioneer, in terms of fictional world-building. Don't forget his predecessors and contemporaries, like Lord Dunsany, E.R. Eddison, H.P. Lovecraft, R.E. Howard, Clark Ashton Smith, Fritz Leiber, and C.S. Lewis (I'm sure I'm forgetting many others). Too often nowadays, Tolkien is viewed as having more or less single-handedly created the fantasy fiction genre, when in fact he was simply one creator among many others.
@@johnholton8157 Yes, you are correct, there were others before him who built worlds, but Tolkien raised it to an extreme level, creating languages, lore, and histories for most of the peoples in Middle Earth. His intent was to create a mythology for England, similar to what some other European countries had/have, and it's demonstrated in the way The Hobbit was written vs his style in LOTR.
@@thelordofdogs2166 Yes, i.e. Narnia. He and Tolkien were literary chums and fellow Inklings at Oxford, even offering each other creative feedback on their developing imagined worlds.
Willow was heavily inspired by lord of the rings, so you’re right to feel similarities! Also, the ring preys on who a person is. It amplifies those with power, it draws on a persons desire to do good but will slowly corrupt them. Frodo and Bilbo were both kind and simple people, so the ring had a harder time corrupting them. Bilbo had the ring for 60 years, so it had time to wear on him, but his strength is evident in the fact that he WAS able to leave it behind, even though it took some pressure. Hope that helps!
@@eatsmylifeYT I think Steve would definitely have a strong will and it would take a long time to wear him down, but it would. Only Tom Bombadil wasn't swayed by the ring, but even that was dangerous because the importance of it was lost on him and he would have easily lost it.
@@defies4626 Eventually. Might be halfway through Mordor before anyone really notices if only because the man is *that* good at hiding everything that bothers him.
Boromir is the most human character in the entire story. The tragedy is that he would likely have wielded the ring more nobly than any other being could. He was compelled by a longing to save his beloved middle-earth.
1. These are not sequels. This is one story that is so long that it's broken into three pieces. This is originally due to the fact the book could not be printing in a single binding. It technical probably could be, but it wouldn't be easily readable with a binding that thick. 2. J.R.R. Tolkien was a linguist and started creating languages when he was a teen. I think he had made seven complete languages by the time of the books. I think he ended up making 15, because he didn't stop after writing the books. This is a stunning feat, especially when you listen to them and how they actually sound like the character of the races that speak them, e.g. elvish sounds musical, friendly and magical. Orcish sounds gruff and intimidating. The languages are featured in the books and this first movie especially, is very faithful to the book. It's really neat to actually hear them spoken the way they are "supposed" to be spoken. 3. The movie ends where the first book ends. This is not a gimmick. Again, this is due to the one long story had to be broken into three books to print them. 4. Tolkien fought in WWI and the good and bad guys are allegories for the good and bad guys in WWI. This is why there are so many bad guys; it's like the multiple countries that fought for the Axis. 5. The length is because he created a very detailed world and very complete characters. Having an actual character arch for so many characters takes time.
I love your reactions, but I guess I was expecting more from Boromir's final scene. There's so much humanity in his character, and his is such a true tragedy... Because all he's ever done is fight for his home, with little to no hope, and only seeks the power to keep his people safe. The Ring feeds on this desperation and is a constant corrupting influence on him, eventually driving him mad. Boromir is ultimately a good man, but because of his situation the most susceptible to the Ring.
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@@Ploobie86 She wasn't paying enough attention to understand a lot of it, although when it comes to the elvish she might have an excuse if the subtitles weren't on for some reason. I've seen another reactor have that issue and they were pretty damn confused.
to be fair, while she may not have got some of the subtleties in the movie, the film also didn't really do a good job of telling us about Boromir and instead set him up kinda quick as just some badass Chad warrior guy who couldn't stop thinking about power. but what can you expect? some of the more well known dwarves were treated in a similar fashion
@@Lunch_Meat The film did a good enough job with Boromir that 99% of viewers tear up when he dies, so I'd say that's on Ashleigh for talking over his early appearances in the movie and also blaming his behavior on him just being an asshole rather than thinking that maybe the ring was influencing him.
Also, for someone new to the series, who we know is not a fan of long movies, I'm surprised that we decided to jump into the deep end with the super-extended version. The shorter theatrical version is also quite good, and better suited for those with self-proclaimed shorter attention spans. The longer versions are really more aimed at those of us who already love the stories, and are hungry for more and more detail and lore. In terms of simply telling the story, I would think that the shortest-edit version would be sufficient for a LOTR "layman," as it were. -My 2¢
Yeah, the extended versions - especially the first one, which doesn't add anything crucial - are not for people who aren't "sold" on the idea of LotR yet. She added extra runtime and made the experience harder for herself, for no real reason.
"I know people either love Lord of the Rings or they hate Lord of the Rings." I know this can be said about a lot of popular franchises (Marvel, DC, Star Wars, etc.). However, it's my understanding that LotR is very much HEAVILY favored by fans.
Everyone should love Lord of the Rings, there should be no contest (even the crazy southern religious folk should like it). It's a fundamental bedrock of literature and a movie of epic status of good conquering evil. And yeah sad that Tom Bombadil didn't show up. But basically no one wants to really linger in the tutorial level too long, if at all.
@@vordt4139 What I know of those who hated the fantasy genre will hate the triology too. They have no patience on it. Specially those who keep on talking that they missed a lot of plotlines that they no longer understand the movie.
@@spaceshiplewis Except those "crazy" religious folks have been proven right when schools and government are trying to force kids to take puberty blockers and cut their privates off.
33:15 Actually, yes! When Sauron lost the ring, along with part of his soul, he also lost his physical form (at least until he could get the ring back and restore his full power). That burning eye is the way he manifests himself as he lacks a proper body. Also, Boromir goes back and forth because he IS a good person, but he's the weakest against the ring. Partly because he's a human, partly because the pressure he's under (you'll know about that later). Anyway, Galadriel told Frodo: given enough time, all would succumb to the will of the ring (which is why he realised he would need to go /almost/ alone).
no he does have a body gollum said he was tortured by Sauron himself and that he had a black hand with 4 fingers. and in tolkiens notes he makes it clear he got his body back
@@houseofaction right but if I remember my lore properly, he didn't for quite a long while, right? I believe the events of the hobbit movies released afterwards kind of hit on that plot point of him 'regaining' his body, or at least show before that happened, but if I recall, him having a physical body again was a very recent event in the LOTR timeframe
@@jkhristian9603 Sort of. As I recall, he wasn't exactly all there and it was much easier to convey how the Ring weakened him in the movies by making him incorporeal. Also, Sam seems pretty resistant. Helps that he's got a lot of good ol' hobbit sense.
Very amusing reaction. The first time I have seen someone actually GLAD to see Boromir die. That's really harsh. He is basically a good man but succumbs to the temptation of the ring. Tempting people is what the ring does! His heart was in the right place as he wanted to use the ring to fight Sauron and save his people! Now - go on - watch the next two!
Aragorn said "I would have gone with you to the end" because he knows that while he resisted the ring this time, it would wear him down and he would eventually try to take it from him.
Oh girl! If you’re a first timer, with not a ton of foundation in fantasy (movies like Willow are a fab place to start!), you should probably go to the Theatrical releases for the next two. They are much shorter, whereas the special editions are for people who are more the hard core lore nerds (raises hand). This shouldn’t feel like a chore for you! In our house, I’m the fantasy person, while my hubbin is not as into it! So if I want to rewatch, we choose accordingly!
Definitely agree. Fans don't know how to restrain themselves and want everyone to love the extended versions, but it's a lot extra. And in the second and third movies, most of that extra isn't even from the book but is stuff Peter Jackson added. So it's even more expendable. Theatrical cuts for newbies!
Weakness is not evil. Imagine the ring represents addiction. Different people with different ability to resist. Men are the weakest. That should help understand this better. That's such a significant theme of this film. Of all the films. Boromir was a hero.
He absolutely was a hero. He just was weak when tempted by the power of the ring. He instantly felt shame and regret for his actions when he tried to take the ring from Frodo. He was being honest when he would have fought with Aragorn to the end. He loved his people and he loves Gondor more than anything. He would have done absolutely everything in his power to save his people and his kingdom. He’s a very admirable character actually.
@@matthewcastleton2263 He also never implied that he wants to use the Ring with selfish intentions - its always about saving Gondor and his people. He never claimed that he should be the one wearing the ring, but only that the ring should go to Gondor.
Bless her heart, she's never going to make it through the next 2 movies and if she's at 3 out of 5 stars for this classic, I don't think there is a point in her doing the next two.
"I'm not saying it's bad..." The Lord of the Rings trilogy of books have been translated into around 50 languages and sold around 150 million copies The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring earned 897.7 million dollars The Fellowship of the Ring was nominated for THIRTEEN Academy Awards, winning FOUR Y'know, you don't HAVE to watch the extended version. Mount Doom's real name is Orodruin (or Amon Amarth). Happy now?
Yeah, I'm shocked at her reaction to this amazing movie. I mean, it's not that she's not into unrealistic movies...she likes all the superhero crap. lol
@@donkey3187 it's because those movies go down your throat like water and LotR is like a shot of fireball to your brain. It demands your attention and energy, and I dont think its productive or fair to shid on people for liking Marvel movies, but I would be lying if I said I didnt find those movies so boring that me watching those is like Ashleigh watching this lol Every Marvel movie has me checked out for half the runtime and asking my pro-Marvel friends "Who is this and why should I care" and when they answer Im just like "oh cool" and check out again
The One Ring represents evil itself, and the way it tempts everyone in the story through Frodo is similar to how evil finds ways to tempt people of all stripes and walks of life. Humans in particular, of all the races in Middle-Earth, are the most easily tempted, as they showed with Isildur at the beginning (the guy who chopped off Sauron's fingers) getting the closest anyone has ever been to destroying the Ring and he chose not to due to its power. That's why Boromir (Sean Bean's character; the redheaded guy who dies) was so easily attracted to it and kinda lost his mind. LOTR is deep and expansive. Pretty much all of the extra lil conversation pieces in these extended cuts tie into stuff that happens later on in the films. And believe me, the length of these films are worth it, especially when you get to return of the king
SPOILERS for LotR and another franchise: The One Ring more represents "absolute power corrupts absolutely" since the ring itself never does anything evil, it's just a key piece of Sauron's power trying to return to him. It's like... umm... if Satan built an unstoppable giant robot and handed out a nigh-indestructible remote control that whenever you use the robot they emit a signal Satan can pick up and come running in disguise to whisper in your ear or whatever he feels will corrupt things. The robot has no agenda just like the remote control, they don't care how good or evil the things you have them do are, they're just sending out the signal because they're programmed to. I guess LotR and Death Note have that in common.
And the ring is Insiduous. It will tempt people with allowing them to fulfill their most noble aspirations but twist them. Boromir wasn't evil, he was tempted by the ring with a promise of being given the power to protect his homeland from Sauron. But it would likely slowly twist his ambition into becoming a warlord; what better protection from your enemies than to overthrow them yourself... Same as Galadriel. She would rule, beautiful and wise and all would fear her because she would likely become a monstrous dictator. Use her bowl to view the future and Minority Report the hell out of everyone...
And that's also the reason why Hobbits are good ring-bearers. They don't have any power to begin with and it's not in their nature to seek power. They are interested in food and quiet. IIRC even their administrative hierarchy only goes up to mayor or so. The ring doesn't have much to corrupt and influence there.
@@DJDoena Since Tolkien, like C.S Lewis, seemed to be of the mind that "Farm the land, go to church, yield all power to royalty, oppose tyrants, industry and technology and you will be happy in this life and the afterlife." is sound advice. Trick question: Is Gollum a good or bad ring-bearer?
she spoke too much and payed no attention to most of the movie. Merry and Pippin being "twins",the subtitles, Boromir's part, everybody is bad to her,.
Wow give a girl a break, some of these comments are rude and a little condescending. Haven’t any of you ever watched anything for the first time and been a little confused at what’s going on. It’s a long movie and there’s a lot to keep up with TBH.
Well, I'd tell you to read the books, but I already know that won't happen. Mount Doom's real name is Mt. Orodruin. The problem with this is the Lord of the Rings isn't finished. The next movie in the trilogy is The Two Towers. Then it ends with The Return of the King. They are very long, very detailed books and frankly, I like the books better, but this is a long journey. Also, had you watched The Hobbit first, there would have been some better explanation regarding the ring, Gollum, etc.
Apart from all the lore about Gimli's gift from Galadriel people in the modern age find it creepy but to Tolkien, who grew up before the age where everyone carried snapshots of their loved ones they would often take a lock of hair as a memento, it was an endearing gesture. You have to look at this through the eyes of the age it was written in not in 21st century sensibilities..
@@NoActuallyGo-KCUF-Yourself My mother still has a lock of all of us kids hair from our first hair cuts, in our baby books after 50+ years. it is a generational thing
Tolkien also served in the First World War, and would have cherished mementos like that to remind him of his home. Especially when he was injured fighting at the Battle of the Somme.
Awesome reaction Ashleigh. Just to address a few things: -The Hobbit came first as basically a children's story, and it was so loved that Tolkien wrote more. The Lord of the Rings is the follow up to The Hobbit. -Elvish is a whole language Tolkien made up along with several others. The one on the ring is written with Elvish script but is the Black Speech, the language of Mordor. You also can go into the settings for the film and set it to put in the subtitles for the Elvish so it all makes more sense. -Hobbits tend to live roughly 110 years, and are not considered adults until there 30s. The oldest on record in the Shire was Old Took at 130 years old. They all also have big hairy feet that are tough and act as natural shoes for them all. -Dwarves are a little taller then Hobbits, broader in body, and have beards. No Hobbit has a beard. -Merry and Pippin are cousins as well as being Frodo's cousins are well. They are introduced into things much different in the book if you ever decide to read it. -Sam was upset early on that he forgot to pack rope. That is why he got some from the elves, but in the book that was incidental, he got a much more meaningful gift in the book. Same for Aragorn as well. -The hair is a big deal. Knights would carry a token of there lady fairs into battle, usually a small keepsake or even a lock of hair, and dedicate great victories to them. We still take locks of hair from babies for baby books, at least some parents do. It is just as a token. Gimli said in the book he would set it in imperishable crystal and make it a heirloom of his house as a pledge of friendship between the Dwarves and Elves forever. The Elves and Dwarves have for a long time been at odds with each other. There is a lot more deeper historical lore meaning there as well but I am sure someone else will get into that here. -The ring is evil, and corrupts people that desire power. Boromir wanted power to protect his people, and thus the ring used that to try and achieve it's desire to get back to it's master. Boromir was a good person, just weaker of will. Frodo and Bilbo on the other hand desired nothing but a peaceful and care free life, so the ring has a harder time tempting them. And I fell I have rambled on enough here. Sorry for that big long block of text and explanation. I hope I addressed some of your questions and without spoiling anything. Again great reaction, and can not wait to see you do the rest of the series.
@@mikelarsen5836 I think she can comprehend it, but it is a LOT. Love the movies as I do, there are definitely things that are confusing or misleading if you don't know the source.
Dude, your hate on Boromir is unwarranted. Let's see how long you would last around a source of ultimate power while your people are being threatened and slaughtered... In the end he stood tall and died for his friends... Put some respect on his f*cking name!
I hear yea, but at the same time it was some epic level smack talk....she had me rolling. His whole character is to show how powerful the ring is and how corrupting it is. The fact that it isn't until the third time he has a chance to make his play for the ring shows his restraint, but in the end, men are doomed to fall under it's spell.
I live in New Zealand and the reason Willow and LotR feel similar is probably because they were both filmed here. In fact, the scenes for Rivendell were shot about 20 minutes from my house in a national park, and some of the buildings are still there.
As an LOTR fan, I hope the extended versions are the ones people watch. The theatre versions had soooo much chopped and cut out. The depth and breadth of Tolkien’s world and stories are magnificent and awe inspiring.
In general I think it's better to start with the theatrical editions. The theatrical editions are still great, the pacing is tighter, and it's just easier to sit down and watch a 3 hour movie than a 3hr45min movie. The extra scenes in the extended versions are great, but a lot of it is extra lore and world-building, which a lot of people aren't really going to care about, especially on first viewing.
To be fair to Ashleigh, she did not CHOOSE to watch the extended version, that was the version the patreon member provided her. Also, I'm sure not having on subtitles probably provided long moments of confusion for her.
Yeah... I could have told you that getting her to watch the extended edition was a bad idea 😅Don't we all know by now she doesn't do great with longer format? LMAO. I love LOTR so much. And I'm so sad she didn't get the corruption and sacrifice of Boromir! That part always makes my heart ache
Totally agree that Ashleigh should have watched the theatrical cut, and I feel that it is the superior set of movies. The extended editions pacing suffers from all the extra content that really only makes people happy who read the books.
This is something I always get frustrated with when it comes to people watching these movies, stop recommending the extended editions. You really NEED to watch the theatrical cuts first before watching the extended editions, they give so much away like mentioning mithril just before the fight with the troll, it kills all the tension. The theatrical cuts ARE the lord of the rings movies, the extended editions are for the nerds who really enjoy themselves to go back and watch later.
Unlike It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World, where the special edition included tons of unfunny junk that needed to go to make a better film, the LOTR Spec Ed's really help to flesh out the story.
That’s actually a really good point! I hadn’t thought of that, since I watched each of these movies in the theater releases and adored them, so I was especially excited when the extended cuts rolled around.
Oh, and the thing is that historically there's been a lot of enmity been dwarves and elves. So when Gimli awknowledges Galadriel's fairness as an immense treasure in the world, it's a big, big, major thing for him to do.
And beautifully set up during their first meeting when Galadriel comforts Gimli about Moria and calls it by its dwarven name. She holds no contempt for Durin's Folk. She's a friend of the Mountain.
I think you're great, and I've loved every single reaction you've done up until now, but I've never seen anyone not understand a movie more than in this reaction. I feel like you started watching it knowing the length of the movie and let it affect your willingness to immerse yourself in it for that length of time and consequently it just didn't really grab your attention. You're still great, and of course I'll still watch your reactions to the next movies if you choose to do them, I just wanted to put this out there and say to please not let the length of the movies put you off of them. Usually people that allow themselves to enjoy them despite the length often want them to be longer by the time the trilogy is over.
Lol. Bro. Chiiiilll I’ve read every Tolkien work multiple times, even the unfinished notes. Seen every film dozens of times and seen every reaction to it. I’m a massive Tolkien fan but you’re fooling yourself if you thought she was going to be some huge fan girl. This is her persona, she’s like this in every movie, she’s all about acting dumb and making jokes. Don’t take it so personally
@@Cinerary Nah, she was extra extra in this one... I mean hell, she even went off to eat and forgot about the movie, along with her intro, shows you how much she did not really want to do this right from the start and let the runtime affect her getting immersed in the film. She's even like maybe I should turn on subtitles so I can understand what's being said in elvish-- but nope, was like fuck it lets do it live.
Honestly, knowing herself ahead of time and her issues with long movies, she should have deliberately split this into a two-part review. Watch an hour & a half, maybe two hours. Once she felt her attention wandering she could have called it there and done the next review to finish the movie when she was refreshed. Also, as everyone has said, subtitles would have increased her understanding and enjoyment of the film.
@@testfire3000 I can’t figure out why streaming services have made it optional to have subtitles for scenes that are meant to be subtitled as part of the story. It’s lazy work on their part, but I do wish she’d had the sense to turn them on.
hoooooo boy, here we go: Tolkien in a nutshell: The Legendarium (aka Tolkien's work) was created because Tolkien was unable to find Old English legends of the same quality as their Norse, Germanic, and Greek counterparts - primarily as a result of the Norman conquest of Britain in 1066, when the French culture of the victorious Normans replaced the English culture of the defeated Anglo-Saxons. So, to remedy this situation, Tolkien set out to create new legends, that were English in origin, but weren't just a retelling of the Norse/Germanic legends, but instead looking like they all had a common origin. And that's how the world of Arda (or Ea) was created. And yes - Quenya, and Sindarin are complete languages, with fully functional grammar, and vocabulary, and die-hard Tolkien fans take the time to become fluent in them. Also, Sir Christopher Lee (Saruman) knew Tolkien personally (among all the other crazy things he did, like assassinating Nazis for a living during WWII, being in-laws with Ian Fleming - the author of James Bond novels, or recording vocals for a heavy metal album at the age of 92). Hugo Weaving (Elrond) also played a bunch of things - he is best known for Agent Smith in The Matrix. Also voiced V in V for Vendetta.
A bit more backstory, as to just how deep the rabbit hole goes: Tolkien's Legendarium begins with Eru Iluvatar creating a bunch of powerful beings, called Valar, and teaching them The Great Music. One of the Valar, named Melkor, rebels against Eru, and seeks to pervert the Great Music (he is basically Satan). Eru then shows the Valar a vision of Ea - the world that was foretold in the great music, to be the home for the Children of iluvatar - the firstborn (elves), and the ones that follow (humans). The Valar descend onto Ea (also called Varda) to make it a reality, and Melkor names himself the master of this world, and seeks to rule. He breaks the two lamps of the Valar, that iluminated the world, and the world is plunged into darkness. Meanwhile, another Vala (singular for Valar) - Aule, impatient for the arrival of Iluvatar's Children, creates the race of the dwarves, and Eru grants him his blessing, but on the condition that the dwarves do not awake before the Firstborn. Then, Yavanna (Aule's wife) sings into existence the two Trees of Valinor - Laurelin, and Telperion, which iluminate the undying lands in lieu of the lamps of the Valar. Just as that happens, the Elves awaken, and this goes unnoticed by the Valar for some time, save Melkor, who kidnaps some, and perverts them, creating the twisted race of Orcs. The elves name themselves Quendi (those speaking with tongues), and once the Valar become aware of their existence, they invite them West, to Valinor. They also make war upon Melkor, destroy his dark fortress of Utumno, and put him in chains. The elves, gradually, arrive in Valinor, and Feanor creates three magnificent jewels, called Silmarils, capturing the light of the Trees within. Then Melkor is set free after his punishment, and with pretty words he turns the elves against the Valar, sowing discord, and while tere is unrest, he summons Ungoliant from the darkness beyond the void, and descends into Valinor, destroying the two trees, and steals the Silmarils for himself. Feanor is enraged, and he, and his seven sons swear an oath to "pursue unto the ends of the Earth, anyone who would keep the Silmarils from them". Feanor asks the Teleri (the last host of elves to arrive in Valinor) for their white ships to sail back to Middle Earth, and when they refuse, takes the ships by force, leading to the kinslaying at Alqualonde. Mandos (another Vala) speaks his doom, that "tears unnumbered they shall shed, and all will come to naught that they begin well, and the treasures they seek will remain out of their grasp". Eventually (and I'm skipping way ahead here), the Valar have had enough of Morgoth's shit (hint: after the taking of the Silmarils, Feanor curses Melkor, and names him Morgoth Bauglir - the Black Enemy of the World), so they yeet him into the void beyond the world, and put up a wall, and set guard, so he can never return. Then, Morgoth's chief lieutenant, Sauron, repents, and renounces his evil, but the Maiar (lesser spirits than the Valar) have no power to absolve him of guilt, so he is ordered back to Valinor, to hear Manwe's (the chief Vala) sentence. Ashamed, Sauron does not go, but instead takes on a fair appearance, and calls himself Annatar (Lord of Gifts), and befriends the people of Numenor, known as Dunedain (of which Aragorn, son of Arathorn is the last living descendant at the time of the Lord of the Rings), and also shows the elves many secret things, and they forge the Rings of Power. But Sauron has tricked the elves, and learning all their secrets, he makes The One Ring - forged in the pits of Orodruin (the fire mountain), also known as Amon Amarth (literally: mount Doom, and also the name of a heavy metal band). Sauron takes the rings, save the las 3, which Celebrimbor has forged himself, and Sauron never touched them. After that, Sauron turns the Numenoreans against the Valar, and the corruption of Numenor leads to a war with the Valar, and a cataclysm that sinks the island (mirroring the tale of Atlantis), and literally turns the world from flat, to spherical. Sauron is eventually defeated by the Last Alliance of elves, and men, though in the final battle he kills both the elven king Gil-Galad, and the human king, Elendil. Elendil's son takes the remnants of his father's sword, Narsil (which broke under its dying master), and uses it to cut off Sauron's finger, taking the One Ring for himself, as "blood money" for the death of his father, and brother (who also died in the battle), and that's where the Peter Jackson trillogy begins with the intro.
We didn’t even get to watch the actual movie, you just kept stopping it and talking and saying everything and anything. Not a good reaction, I was disappointed
I'm honestly not surprised you didn't like this, and you don't have to like everything, but this came off as really dismissive of the source material. Especially considering that you referenced multiple movies that were directly influenced by Lord of the Rings, which has been monumentally influential to pop culture. I love the extended editions, but I've read the books multiple times, and most people started with the theatrical version, which cuts about an hour off the runtime. Tolkien was a linguist, he created several languages and part of the reason he wrote the books was because language can't develop without a history to those who speak the language. There are appendices with pronunciation guides in the book. Almost everything in Tolkien's books have multiple names, including Mt Doom, because different races have different languages, and there are multiple human languages as well. I think Aragorn has at least five different names on his own. If you do continue these, you may enjoy the other two more, they have more action overall. And you don't have wait a year between installments like the rest of us did, it's available now.
I have been really reluctant to press play on this one, I was nervous of Asheligh's reaction. Everyone has a right to like or dislike a movie but I don't think I can deal with that in a reaction video today.
@@alisong4667 Yeah, it kind of disappoints me that she seemed to be dreading watching mostly based on the length. She seemed like her mind was made up at the start.
I feel like the last thing she should do is try to watch the next two if she didn't like this one. He lack of awareness isn't going to make the story or characters any easier to understand moving forward. As much as I'd love her to enjoy them, there's no sense forcing it if its going to be a pain for her, and painful for us to watch.
I feel, especially with Boromir, you've missed out on the 'strength' of the Ring. It isn't exactly sentient but it was made by Sauron - who is basically an angel or lesser god, as are the wizards including Gandalf and Saruman - who put most of his strength into it. It is wholly evil because of Sauron's will and it corrupts virtually everyone (the only person it has absolutely no control over in the books was a character that wasn't put into the films). It also, always 'calls out to' and entices all who come into its presence. Boromir doesn't go purposely from good to bad and back again but he isn't strong enough mentally to resist the lure of the Ring. Even the most powerful forces of good in the film, such as Gandalf, Galadriel, Elrond, etc fear to touch the it because in doing so the temptation to take it might overcome them. When leaving the Ring for Frodo Bilbo became he first ever person to willingly give up the Ring in the entire time since it was forged. And as Gandalf points out (I'm not feeling well so my memory is a bit off so I don't recall if it's brought up in this film or if it's just left in the book) that although he would take it and see its power used for the purposes of good eventually even he would succumb to the base evil that the Ring has and we would end up with another Dark Lord which is what Galadriel is referring to when she undergoes that visual transformation when talking about what would happen if he took the Ring.
Why not just toss a synopsis of The Silmarillion into your comment? It won't take her more than 2 days to read it and then she'll understand the whole mythos.
@@RealTechZen Feel free to go ahead and do it yourself if you feel like it. I'll stick to topics about the film she is watching on this RU-vid reaction...
Only one person can "carry" the ring. Hobbits being "child like in their Innocence" so they are harder to corrupt. Boromir is... trying to be good, but he is human, and we humans are weak and corruptible. The story is complex so it takes time to get into it. For many. I read the books long before the movie existed so... I was already invested when I say the movie for the first time. That said the movie is visually stunning and "different enough" from the books to hold my attention.
I think the extended cut should only be for people who have watched the original cut and liked it and want more depth. It really is too steep of a learning curve for a first watch, sticking to the broad strokes is more likely to be enjoyable. And the original cut was beautifully paced. I love the extended edition and it's the only one I'll watch now, but let first time watchers walk before they run 💛🌙🌟✨
Boromir was being corrupted by The Ring. And if you watch The Two Towers you’ll see that he also had a bit of an issue with his father, who had instructed him to return to Gondor with The Ring. “I would have followed you, my brother. My Captain. My King.” Still makes me tear up.
@@profshad3429 It references something that is in a future part of the trilogy, that the current viewer will not have a chance to learn on their own in context if told now. It’s a spoiler.
Ashleigh, I know you're making content and that requires you to comment, but with these movies, you really do need to spend a little more time listening and focusing on the story. If you had, there would have been many things you would have understood better, especially the sacrifice of Boromir. The ring's biggest power is it's ability to corrupt. Boromir's struggle and eventually heroic redemption is legendary.
Aww Ashleigh, I kinda figured you probably wouldn’t like this, but dang I don’t think you absorbed anything! I think this was the first time I watched one of your videos where you seem so disinterested and really just focused on making a joke. Your commentary always feels natural, but it didn’t this time. So many of your questions or observations would have answers if you just listened for a moment lol (i.e. Boromir trying to take the ring). I’ve watched some of your reaction videos where I felt disappointed that you didn’t love a movie I loved, but this was a little ridiculous. Don’t feel pressured to watch a movie and go into it with a negative vibe, your channel will change!
All the Hobbits are more resistant to the ring due to being "A happy people more interested in their next meal and the weather than great deeds" the Hobbits are cool with their lot in life so it's harder for the ring to push them to do things. Meanwhile Boromir desperately needs to save his kingdom and the ring uses that need to get at him. I forget if the extended cut makes Boromir's situation clearer or not.
