Lord of the Rings from the Witch-king's perspective

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@PaddyDAngelo Месяц назад

Still waiting for the Lord of the Rings from the Innkeeper at the Prancing Pony's perspective

@Dmammoser1 Месяц назад

That's a long story, he's a really busy guy

@Levacque Месяц назад

Oh, you mean the one character who approaches Gandalf's level of expository storytelling?? I'm just joking, but seriously, we hear his POV two different times in the form of a long, rambling story.

@MichaelEilers Месяц назад

Why have that when you can have it from Bill, the pony?

@PotentiallyAndy Месяц назад

Then from Bob and Nobs perspective

@katherinegraham3803 Месяц назад

In all seriousness, that would be interesting. Saruman's ruffians overtake the Shire and the area around Bree pretty soon after our Hobbits leave for Rivendell. And with the Rangers heading south to join up with Aragorn, there's no one left to offer real resistance. It ends up being a very tumultuous year until the four Hobbits return and Merry and Pippin rally their countrymen to kick the invaders out. If that's not enough, Butterbur finds out that the one scruffy guy he gave a semi-insulting nickname to is now the King.

@jamesmclemore9123 Месяц назад

It's kind of funny to me that as soon as Wormtounge ran into the Nazghoul he just went "Nope, I do *not* get paid enough for this. The guy you're looking for is that way and by the way my boss betrayed you." And they just say thanks and let him go on his way.

@EpicureMammon Месяц назад

They really are interesting in the books in ways that they just aren't in any of the adaptations. In the movies, they seem more like very direct extensions of Sauron's mind, but it's hard to depict something that is at the mercy of a powerful will while still being autonomous. Almost like Inception-- you give them a motivation that feels like it's their own and then they act on it somewhat freely, but their core is still bound to Saruon. You'd almost need an entire move following them to see them being individuals in their own way. Sorry... just trying to imagine what it's like to be them :)

@Kay-xb9cp Месяц назад

As Robert says in the video, the Nazgûl realised that Wormtongue was evil and had betrayed his master (Saruman) so the Nazgûl just let that unfold….with the result that Wormtongue killed Saruman….so it saved them from doing that job themselves

@dutchmansmine9053 Месяц назад

@@Kay-xb9cpOf course, by the time Wormtongue killed Saruman it hardly mattered to the Nazgul.

@patercrono 28 дней назад

@@dutchmansmine9053 Revenge is a dish best served cold, misty, and blown to the east.

@killtie15 21 день назад

@@patercrono Nooice!!

@Locedamius Месяц назад

One often overlooked action by the Witch-King: Shagrat, commander of the tower of Cirith Ungol, said he received orders "Nazgûl uneasy. Spies feared on Stairs. Double vigilance. Patrol to head of Stairs." and it seems Gorbag had similar orders when he headed out from Minas Morgul. So the Witch King did not just ignore Frodo and move on with his army when he sensed him on the stairs. He sent two companies of orcs to patrol both ends of the pass of Cirith Ungol to catch him (which they did).

@hakanflodin4555 Месяц назад

Thank you, I've never realised that. It does make him seem more competent and smart.

@eliasripley2357 29 дней назад

The simplicity of "Nazgûl uneasy" makes me imagine the fear the orcs must've been feeling at that point. Remember the bit where Sam puts on the Ring and goes after 'em and they are all terrified of this "Great Elf Warrior" that's cutting a swathe through them? Love it.

@bewilderbeestie 21 день назад

I think it's fair to say that in Sauron's army, shit runs downhill. If you're a grunt and you hear that the Nazgûl are uneasy... you better be damn worried too.

@SanguinaryOtter 5 дней назад

@@eliasripley2357 I mean there is Glorfindel out there somewhere. Samwise basically appeared like Glorfindel to them.

@JMThought Месяц назад

There’s something about the Witch Kings fall that also mirrors other Tokien themes… it’s not the mighty Glorfindel that ends him but a humble hobbit and “just a woman”. It’s not a single warrior but a team effort. Merry, Eowin and those enemies years ago that forged that dagger. Cooperation through love not fear. And Eowin’s empathy for Merry to bring him to the battlefield because of their shared experience of being dismissed. Everything about the Witch Kings fall were things alien to him.

@KuK137 Месяц назад

Yeah, that's the funny point - sexism of Tolkien that dripped into his book and caused all the fictional civilizations to adopt stupid Victorian misogynist ban on women outside of the kitchen which made WK totally invincible due to lack of not-man opponents. Had they have DEI in middle earth, it's possible someone would kill him sooner than 5000 years he got to terrorize everyone before he happened to meet girl sick of the sexism enough she singlehandedly saved the entire world (without her, WK would take Gondor, kill Aragorn and co and that would be the end right there, Sauron without distractions would notice and catch Frodo long before he reached the Cracks)...

@eliasripley2357 29 дней назад

How wonderfully profound. Thank you ❤

@PositiveOnly-dm3rx 22 часа назад

The problem is, aeowyn IS a man. She's from the RACE of men. Merry isn't. Merry killed him. He's a hobbit. Not a man. Tolkien wasn't a feminist. That wasn't even a thing back then. The movie added that "i am no man" nonsense.

@isomeme Месяц назад

It's a subtle distinction, but I think it's important to understand that Glorfindel's prophecy didn't create a requirement, it simply reported an observation. Basically, Glorfindel was given a vision of Eowyn and Merry defeating the Witch-King, and remarked "Huh -- no men involved." It's not that the Witch-King was invulnerable to men, it's that he was fated to die a different way. Tolkien loves playing with ideas of immutable fate despite apparent free will, and this is one of the best examples of that theme.

@Wolfeson28 Месяц назад

The subtlety of the wording is great. It was so easy for the Witch-King to interpret the words "not by the hand of man will he fall" to mean "no man (or anyone else) could ever kill him" - his hubris both lent itself to that interpretation and was fed even more by it. He seems to have simply ignored the fact that the closing phrase "will he fall" kind of implies an inevitable fall, especially when you remember that the Glorfindel's full prophecy was *"Far off yet is his doom,* and not by the hand of man will he fall." With the context of that full sentence, it's clear that Glorfindel is actually foretelling the Witch-King's eventual death, and is certainly not proclaiming his invincibility.

@isomeme Месяц назад

@@Wolfeson28 , excellent point. A less hubris-blinded character might stop and think "Okay, so I *am* going to fall at some point...what situations should I be worried about?".

@lynnerose7891 Месяц назад

Which made him invulnerable to men.

@katherinegraham3803 Месяц назад

@@Wolfeson28 Not even that no man could ever kill him - by the time he's gloating to Dernhelm he's convinced himself that no living man could even hinder him! It seems fitting that he got his spectral butt handed to him by a not-man (Eowyn), a not-Man (Merry) and a not-living man Man (the anonymous bladesmith of Arnor). How's THAT for hindering, you smug, invisible jerk!

@isomeme Месяц назад

@@lynnerose7891 , sort of, but in a roundabout way. It's not that a man couldn't kill him, it's that Glorfindel knows he won't die that way. It's fated, predestined. That's just the way it is, or in this case, will be. It's the Witch-King's doom, in the archaic sense of that word. There's a wonderful old story about a man in Jerusalem who goes to the market at dawn, only to see the Angel of Death staring at him from a nearby stall. Terrified, he runs away, leaps on a horse, and rides all day to Samara, where he dismounts, only for the Angel of Death to immediately take his life. "But wait!" protests the man. "I saw you just this morning in Jerusalem, staring at me!" "Yes," replies the Angel. "I was surprised to see you there, because I knew I was going to meet you at sunset in Samara." That's doom. Even if you try to escape it, you end up playing right into it instead, no matter what.

@alikosudag4168 Месяц назад

hey robert, this is everyone.

@THE_MILLENNIAL_AFRICAN Месяц назад

Not really though. 😅

@alikosudag4168 Месяц назад

@@THE_MILLENNIAL_AFRICAN😮

@GamemasterGiff Месяц назад

Welcome

@lastofgiants Месяц назад

Hi, Robert! We love you! Thank you for being our geeky RU-vid friend!

@Slechy_Lesh Месяц назад

THIS. IS. EVERYONE

@UncleTimTheHermit Месяц назад

The witch king didn't just ignore the feeling of Frodo in his valley. When Sam has the ring and is listening to the orcs of Cirith Ungol, Shagrat says they were told to watch for potential spies using the stairs.

@RetroJack 28 дней назад

I'd think that would've been a common-sense policy, regardless of what the Witch King felt, and as such, was no doubt already in effect.

@icebox1954 22 дня назад

@@RetroJack Considering Shelub had her hunting and nesting grounds there it's somewhat overcautious to the point of paranoia and yet he still thought to do that extra line of security. It's kind of wild how he did so many things correctly and it seems like he was just screwed over by a chain of coincidences that can only really be attributed to divine intervention.

@XJ0461C Месяц назад

Fun fact: Professor Tolkien originally envisioned the Witch-king as the Wizard King and as Gandalf's opposite and his equal, the latter of which he is still referred to as by Denethor. He was to be an Istari who betrayed their order before this role was filled by Saruman. There was also a draft where he survived the Pelennor Fields, negotiated at the Black Gate in place of the later added on Mouth of Sauron, and confronted Frodo at Mount Doom before dying either to Sam's blade or to Frodo commanding him to follow the Ring into the lava.

@peadarbradaigh8612 Месяц назад

I could listen to your voice for hours, it’s so relaxing. You should do a reading of the LoTRs books.

@Abstrakt_YT Месяц назад

I’m sure there is some copyright issues there

@richardalderson9853 Месяц назад

I often fall asleep listening to his vids last thing at night, not because they're boring, but his voice has a soporific effect

@nordvestgaming1238 Месяц назад

@@Abstrakt_YT The channel's gotten large enough, and Robert does have a genuinely good voice for audio content that I'm sure its not too crazy to think a commercial deal could be made for this to happen at some point.

@Abstrakt_YT Месяц назад

@@nordvestgaming1238 dude do you know how strict the Tolkien estate is about the IP? It’s probably one of the strictest in history. I would love that too but being realistic, not gunna happen

@johnnybhd1094 Месяц назад

Check out the reading by Phil Dragash. You won't find it on audible or anything due to copyright, but search around and you'll find it. It's extremely well produced!

@TheLyricalCleric Месяц назад

Imagine moving from strength to strength for centuries, crushing the northern kingdom of Arnor, dealing with setbacks, and conquering your enemies, only to be mugged by a knife-wielding child and a woman in men’s armor at the height of your powers.

@choke9270 Месяц назад

That’s hubris for you.

@CrniWuk Месяц назад

Woha. I gotta have to admit that it was a pretty brave action by Khamûl The Easterling to confront Farmer Maggot. 4:48

@X02switchblades Месяц назад

"I'll do a whole other video on exactly what happened there If you're interested" YES PLEASE!!! Great experience as always!

@ErnestLordGoring Месяц назад

I always wondered how the Witch King learned of Glorfindel’s prophecy. It’s not like the two drank together every week at the Prancing Pony

@colindunnigan8621 Месяц назад

Are you sure about that? Maybe they got together for an ale on occasion. G: "I gotta say, witchy, you've been up to a great deal of mischief lately." WK: "Ah, you're just saying that to make me feel good!"

@wanderhillen2435 Месяц назад

@@colindunnigan8621 Imagine that, maybe they just lay down arms every century or so and sit together for a beer. Glorfindel drinking together with the Witch King, one of the Durins playing a game of chess against the Balrog and Gandalf sharing some premium pipeweed with Sauron himself. I like to think that the tavern would be run by Tom Bombadil, who enforces strict neutrality on all patrons.

@archmage_of_the_aether Месяц назад

If you have access to 6th level Divination spells, you have access to the kind of power that keeps you up to date on prophecy relevant to your own existence.

@samuelvine Месяц назад

iirc the Witch King was still in earshot of Glorfindel at the final battle near the northern kingdom Arnor's city of Fornost. Angmar had already destroyed the last vestiges of Arthedain (the last remnant of Arnor) but an army from Gondor and Lindon (Elves) destroyed his own conquering army and he fled at the end of that battle. The Prince of Gondor that was leading Gondor's army at the time tried to fight the Witch King personally, but the prince's horse panicked causing the prince some embarrassment when the Witch King laughed at him. Glorifindel arrives at that moment and the Witch King fled, knowing that the battle was already lost and not willing to face down a Balrog slayer. Despite fleeing though he was most likely still in earshot when Glorfindel spoke his prophecy to the Prince of Gondor, warning him not pursue the Witch King. As far as I know, the only other way the Witch King could have learned of this prophecy was when he later taunted that Prince of Gondor (by then he was actually King of Gondor) to ride to Minas Morgul for a "1v1 duel". Since the King was never heard from again, it's safe to assume that the Witch King was treacherous and could have tortured the King and learned of the prophecy then. But I think the more likely answer is what I explained above regarding being in earshot when the prophecy was uttered. Hope this was helpful! :)

@Grancigul Месяц назад

A good question. Off the top of my head i would assume he could either hear Glorfindel saying it as he fled, being a wraith and once a sorcerer or great power, so its not unthinkable. Second option is that the story of the battle and the prophecy spread around and spies of mordor heard of it and reported it. Third is Sauron learning of it through the Palantir

@LordReginaldMeowmont 26 дней назад

Gollum: "Shire! Baggins!" Sauron: "What is a Shire?"

@lqr824 День назад

well, "Hobbits! Shire! Baggins!" But yeah. For me one of the things that really falls apart is that all these cats are supposed to be psychic, have all these magic items, and yet can't even find this entire nation. Was there some such group that was unknown in say the 1300's in Europe, the size of the Shire but somehow unknown to ANYBODY?

@colindunnigan8621 Месяц назад

The Witch King's demise didn't trigger a full scale rout of Sauron's forces, the lieutenant Gothmog took charge and brought more forces up the road from Osgiliath. And while the initial charge of the Rohirrim had gone quite well, the war elephants of the Haradrim served as rally points for Mordor's troops.* Had Aragorn and the soldiers from Anfalas and Belfalas not shown up when they did, Minas Tirith may still have been lost. Even after that, many contingents of Sauron's army still fought to the last. A messy, brutal, slaughter. *It's a testament that JRRT knew enough about ancient and medieval warfare to know that horses are terrified of elephants and won't approach them (unless they've been trained for it). Something that the movies spectacularly failed to show.

@istari0 Месяц назад

The Battle of the Pelennor fields was essentially pyrrhic victory. They didn't have the strength left for another such battle.

@Welverin Месяц назад

Tolkien's understanding of every aspect of the story and world he made and was emulating was greater than that of Jackson and company.

@nonegone7170 Месяц назад

@@Welverin well no shit sherlock.

@patercrono 28 дней назад

@@Welverin So very true. I loved the movies, I have seen them multiple times... But. It broke my heart when they kept cutting others virtue in the dark times. Faramir was a worthy man of the west. Knowing, he let them go. Tom Bombadil was above it, but helped them twice. Plus a puzzle about who is this guy. More than a Maiar? Was he even from there? We all know a book to movie cannot be precise. Time, inner monologs, time, writers favorite material. Just unlucky it hit several of my favorite characters.

@danielmiller1942 Месяц назад

The witch king gets some autonomy because he was reshaped and modeled by Sauron after thousands of years of control and domination. The wraiths are almost another extension of the dark lord

@HEAVYDIAPER Месяц назад

Nine Nazgul and Sauron had Nine fingers left.

@yaqbulyakkerbat4190 Месяц назад

@@HEAVYDIAPERcool point

@Welverin Месяц назад

I do believe the point is that they are not puppets. Sauron does not control them like remote control tools, drones, or video game characters. They are capable of thinking and acting on their own, even though they may have no will or desires own and only enact Saurons.

@benhayfield6182 Месяц назад

I always thought the witch King was way over confident in the prophecy. No man may kill me? Unfortunately for you mate we have dawefs elves and wizard, who are all much harder than men and far more of a threat to you 😅 I like to think that if he'd survived his encounter with women and hobbits, an olaphont would have stepped on him a moment latter. Or a huge rock from a trebuchet 😂

@peterclarke7006 Месяц назад

Witch king: *"NO MAN MAY KILL ME."* Doctor: "that's nice. Unfortunately, you have stage 5 testicular cancer and have about 3 weeks to live." Witch king: *"BUGGER."*

@KuK137 Месяц назад

Dude, that was when the word was sexist and 'man' meant 'male'. No amount of cheating would help, elf or dwarf, doesn't matter. Yeah, that's the funny point - sexism of Tolkien that dripped into his book and caused all the fictional civilizations to adopt stupid Victorian misogynist ban on women outside of the kitchen which made WK totally invincible due to lack of not-man opponents. Had they have DEI in middle earth, it's possible someone would kill him sooner than 5000 years he got to terrorize everyone before he happened to meet girl sick of the sexism enough she singlehandedly saved the entire world (without her, WK would take Gondor, kill Aragorn and co and that would be the end right there, Sauron without distractions would notice and catch Frodo long before he reached the Cracks)...

@peterclarke7006 Месяц назад

@@KuK137 I'm sorry, what do you mean "that was when..?" Middle Earth doesn't exist. It's never existed. It's a fantasy world. It's made up. You do realise that, right? Also, in Tolkien's words "man" was a distinct race separate from elves, dwarves and so on. It's why there's frequent references to "the age of Man," "the corruption of Men," "Men of the West," etc. Within the race of Men were Women, distinct from men but part of Men. Hence Eowyn and Pippin (one a woman, so technically a "Man", but not a "man," and one a Hobbit, so not a Man at all, despite being male) being able to fulfill the prophecy about the Witch King.

@benhayfield6182 Месяц назад

@KuK137 I get all that, however, prophecy is notoriously tricksy and false, I just really like the idea of the WC rolling through life thinking he's got this in the bag, and then gets hit by lightning while he's flying (metal crown/ helmet after all) and his last thoughts are, oh so that's why glorfindel was sniggering when he made the profecy. Prophecy coming true but in comically tragic misunderstanding and false confidence is kinda profecys whole jam 😁

@benhayfield6182 Месяц назад

@KuK137 also, while what you say is mostly true, there is at least one example of a non human, non male, very powerful, who presumably could have killed the WC regardless of how the prophecy was intended. Galadriel. She would also presumably be one of the ppl most likely to know the history of the barrow downs, and know about anti WC weapons, having been around for all of it

@davidtatro7457 Месяц назад

The moment when Eowyn confronts the Witch King and reveals herself to be a woman is one of the best moments in either the books or the films. I know the films changed many things, and mostly very appropriately so for the change in genre. But that scene in particular is one which the film got very right.

@TDLS-e6m 18 дней назад

It.s not even in my top 50 moments

@mikolajtrzeciecki1188 22 дня назад

17:07 "...he realized how wrong he has been..." but he never showed any sign of being sorry for the evil he had done, and this condemned him for eternity.

@laurencewinch-furness9450 Месяц назад

It's interesting that the witch king would think "no living man shall hinder him" would mean he was invulnerable. He lived next door to Shelob - one of the most dangerous beings in Middle Earth - who was neither male nor human, so he would have been well aware of a worrying precedent

@alexandravladmets8206 Месяц назад

His real name was Cliff, and he invented the sauna for it was cold in Angmar. So he wasn´t all bad.

@chasjetty8729 Месяц назад

Not bad? Cliff was a gem. Used to pay for the water cooler in the office out of his own pocket. Didn’t need to, but that was Cliff. God I miss that guy.

@jefffinkbonner9551 Месяц назад

But the power of the ring drove him mad, right over the cliffs of insanity!

@alexandravladmets8206 Месяц назад

@@chasjetty8729 I forgot about that! Good ol' Cliff!

@alexandravladmets8206 Месяц назад

@@jefffinkbonner9551 No,no,no. You're thinking of Clifford jr. Now he was an ... .Started charging for the saunas and all.

@jamesshepherd5805 Месяц назад

Hail King Cliff 🤴

@soronume7826 29 дней назад

To be honest, I’ve always interpreted his doubt, after Éowyn’s gender reveal, as a compliment to his mind. In most ancient heroic tales with prophecies, great men often fail to even consider the possibility that they might have misunderstood the prophecy. He, on the other hand, immediately goes, "Oh, damn, that could be it." After a brief pause, he seems to think, "After everything I’ve done, am I really going to die because of a stupid wordplay?" And then he flies into a rage. Obviously, that’s not explicitly in the text, but that’s how I read it. He’s proud, sure. But he’s also clever-clever enough that even in his proudest moment, the moment where centuries of work have finally paid off, he’s still capable of entertaining the notion that he might have missed something important.

@rmsgrey Месяц назад

It strikes me that the voice never being heard again in that age of the world is a lot less impressive when you consider that the Fourth Age was only ten days away (by Gondorian reckoning), or, at the most, within three years (by Hobbit reckoning).

@lqr824 19 часов назад

can you explain further?

@abigailthompson4456 Месяц назад

He was struck down by 2 people who were not men. I'm not sure if Eowyn could have struck him if he had not stumbled forward after Merry's stroke. Not to take anything away from our heroine.

@alextyndaleandreu Месяц назад

100% Eowyn was the main driver and her courage was immense, but without Merry stabbing him with the Barrow Blade he wouldn’t have died. It made him vulnerable due to the magic it was forged with. It honestly annoys me that they weren’t both celebrated like Sam and Frodo were on the Field of Cormallen.

@fredsafarowic3149 Месяц назад

No other blade, though mightier hands had wielded it, would have delt the foe a wound so bitter cleaving the undead flesh.

@matthewjohnson6092 Месяц назад

Eowyn standing up to the Witch King gave Merry the courage and opportunity to deal the killing blow; but the strike she landed herself had no effect on the Witch King - the sword she used, being non-magical, exploded on contact given her a terrible wound. It is a bitter irony that her bravery alone set the stage for his downfall, but she did not know that, and in her righteous furry she did what she thought needed doing. It is the fog of war that makes you ack on the best understanding of the situation at hand. Neither Eowyn nor Merry knew that their combined actions would defeat the chief of the Nazgûl, but they both knew that they had to try.

@rikk319 Месяц назад

I like to think Gandalf could have slain the Witch-King as well, as he definitely was not a man. Extra power or not, the Lord of the Nazgul wasn't as strong as a balrog, which Gandalf had finished when he was the Grey Wizard. Gandalf said after the battle of Pelennor that only Sauron was stronger than he. Had the Witch-King stayed at the gate to the city, Gandalf clearly would have destroyed him.

@fredsafarowic3149 Месяц назад

@rikk319 Agreed. In the Silmarillion, Tolkien says that the gender of the Valar was a matter of choice and appearance. It was probably the same for the Maiar.

@Lucy-yc4bc Месяц назад

GOAT Tolkein RU-vidr

@cystarkman Месяц назад

Actual

@chefkochjay Месяц назад

I so love these Perspective deep-dives

@SagaciousNihilist Месяц назад

What perspective, he mostly just repeated what we already knew from the movies.

@lethalauthor 10 дней назад

When Frodo felt the urge to put on the Ring outside Minas Morgul, as with every other time, it is *The Ring* urging him. It is always the Ring.

@Anubis256 Месяц назад

14:08 Yes please!

@kjaamor2057 26 дней назад

As someone who only read the books once, I love these videos not only because they delve deeply into the lore, but because they only serve to highlight my many mis-memories of those books. Honestly, the more things I strongly remember that turned out to be completely false is...kind of thrilling, really. I don't know where it comes from. So Frodo rode to Rivendell alone? I remembered him being taken by a male elf - potentially Glorfindel - in a section that was similar to the sequence given to Arwen by Peter Jackson. Feel free to put on your best Alan Partridge voice and say "STOP GETTING TOLKEIN WRONG!"

@leightonolsson4846 Месяц назад

One thing I'll say about Peter Jackson's films, the horses the Nazgul rode were absolutely terrifying. Far more so than the fell beasts they flew on. I suppose it's because a horse us something we have IRL and they were made monstrous. It's familiarity, but twisted and darkened.

@glorthoron3791 26 дней назад

My interpretation was not that the Witch King was trying to will Frodo into putting on the ring in the Morgul Vale, but rather, the Ring was trying to overpower Frodo's will to put it on because it knew it was so close. Just like it convinced him to put it on while at Weather Top. The ring, after all, had a will of its own. Even the Ring Wraiths spoke to it at the Ford of Rivendell. 'Come back! Come back!’ they called. ‘To Mordor we will take you!'

@Ford_prefect_42 Месяц назад

Seriously one of my favorite channels. I'm SO happy you released this video today... I need it haha

@aber416373 Месяц назад

The Peter Jackson films influences fan art so much, that the character's appearance feels like cannon. It would be fun to go back and only look at pre Peter Jackson art of The Lord of the Rings. Was there a consensus of how Frodo looked, or Galadriel? Do you have a pre Peter Jackson artist?

@spacemissing Месяц назад

Tolkien drew an image of Bilbo in his entry hall, smoking a pipe. On the wall is a pendulum clock (!) --- but Not a cuckoo. In The Hobbit Gandalf chides Bilbo for not dusting under the clock on the mantel in the parlour. Tolkien had a bit of a tendency to include such anachronistic but charming details.

@xergiok2322 Месяц назад

Yes, and unfortunately this has entrenched misconceptions such as Sauron being a flaming eye on top of Barad Dur, which is entirely Peter Jackson's invention. Sauron is depicted like that in every piece of art or media these days. People don't go back to the source material any more, so all of Peter Jackson's deviations from the books have become some sort of canon.

@alessandrasiudym8711 Месяц назад

@aber416373 Check out Alan Lee and John Howe's work. They were publishing LotR inspired art long before their work was incorporated into the films.

@jgold78 29 дней назад

And Aragorn was more 'foul than fair'....

@eumaies Месяц назад

The witch king at Mina’s morgul was not aware he was sensing a ring bearer and he did not specifically use magic to get a ring bearer to put a ring on. If either had been the case he would never have rode off. Instead he had a vague sense of being watched and stretched out with his evil spirit of fear to try to out a potential spy. This happened to affect Frodo but is not at all a sign the witch king knew the nature of the enemy he sensed.

@Malekith227 Месяц назад

I have technical questions. - If a cloak make them visible does that means that all clothes do ? And therefore were they scouting naked across the Middle-Earth ? - If the art are correct and they do were full plate armors, how do the armor-smiths of Mordor make them fit as all proper plate armors should ? Do they go through a process of trial and error or do the nazgul have a kind of medical file somewhere with their mensurations ?

@xergiok2322 Месяц назад

You're asking the right questions.

@mrmaxmondays Месяц назад

I think a few months of trial and error and making an extensive file sounds spot on honestly

@Summersong2262 Месяц назад

The Nazgul were more like evil spirits most of the time. I think it's less a question of clothes so much as that appearance of clothing means that they're sort of 'manifesting' into the world. And I'd say given their master, there's a decent chance that Sauron himself made their plate. Or at least knew them well enough that it wasn't a question of sizing so much as conceptual linkage. The ghosts of armour for the ghosts of men. Either way, LotR for the most part doesn't give a shit about details like that. The story's never about technical grit.

@ThisIsMyFullName 8 дней назад

I imagine their armors were made when they more resembled men of flesh and blood, having been worn for hundreds of years, with the rust and decay of the metal only adding to the Nazgul's look of dread and terror. The Nazgul were immensely powerful, and so their armor would rarely be struck by any sword, meaning repairs would be far in between.

@mattmccartney5996 Месяц назад

Plato be damned. I still think that having a witch-king as ruler would be far superior to a measly philosopher-king.

@paulsarnik8506 Месяц назад

Proper Orc, ain't cha??? 😮. 🤓😎✌🏼

@Mr_Timi1 Месяц назад

Make Middle Earth Great Again.😁

@christianriddler5063 24 дня назад

@@Mr_Timi1 Trump just like the Witch King is controlled by a stronger entity that dwells in the shadows.

@maxasaurus3008 Месяц назад

Ahhh REAL Tolkien lore. Thank you. 🙏🏻

@Japangf2345 Месяц назад

I still don’t understand why the witch king thought stabbing Frodo was enough, the good guys had Frodo with them healing him and even if he faded I imagine one of the good guys like sam would have taken it before he passed into shadow, the only way I can think it would have been a victory is if Frodo joined them and told them the plan to destroy the ring

@istari0 Месяц назад

Hobbits, or at least many of them, are unusually resistant to the effects of a Morgul blade. I think it was Gandalf (or possibly Aragorn) who later told Frodo that even very mighty Men would have succumbed to the wound Frodo got. Also, the fight where Frodo was stabbed was at Weathertop and occurred well before the plan to destroy the One Ring was made.

@DragonRaiderX9 Месяц назад

If I recall correctly, the poison in Frodo usually brought its target low within a few days at most. But this sturdy hobbit held out a couple of weeks. Witch King wasn't expecting them to get so close to Rivendell, and certainly didn't expect Glorfindel to show up. I also don't think he knew about the enchanted swords that could affect wraiths. Probably wouldn't have gone for the slow burn approach if he did. He probably figured that Frodo as a wraith could easily kill his companions, and without those swords, he might've been right.

@brianedmond545 Месяц назад

Robert you are an absolute treasure. Your narration of these stories are absolutely priceless, im really astounded by your work. Completely mesmerized by everything you put out. Salute to the finest in this genre.

@markuscriticus8278 Месяц назад

I recommend everyone to check out Wraith Knight by C.T. Phipps. The premise is basically "what if Witch King survived the end of Sauron, regained his memories and decided to be a good guy".

@InternetzVideoz 2 дня назад

I always thought him an obedient servant. Never as a faithful general that was capable of independent thought and ambition. Your presentation of his plans, ambition, dedication, and pride really put this character into new perspective.

@ryanschultz4119 Месяц назад

The Witch-king of Angmar has always been 1 of the most intriguing characters in all of Tolkien's work. So much mystery surrounding him. I very much enjoyed this video! Would love if you did a similar dive into the Witch-king's story. Starting back when he was corrupted by Sauron, through to his deeds up to the 3rd age.

@chriscole4149 Месяц назад

I would love to learn more about the knife breaking the magical protection.

@cylondorado4582 Месяц назад

“Highway to the Danger Zone! Gonna take it right into the Danger Zone!” -The Witch King of Angmar atop a fell beast

@tonylong-noseiv7303 Месяц назад

Your voice makes me happy at night time 😊

@Tropic_Recon Месяц назад

Easy mate, this is a family friendly channel 😅

@lucasjames7524 Месяц назад

I love these "from ___'s perspective" videos! They're a wonderful paradigm through which to consider the legendarium from. Some of my favorite videos about Middle Earth!

@rucky1419 Месяц назад

Robert, you’ve got the most relaxing voice in the world.

@Epic_BostonMobTales Месяц назад

Def one of the best tolkien channels out and a song of ice and fire!

@Zeithri Месяц назад

Witch King: " _I swear once we get a hold of him, I'll twist his stupid little Hobbit head right off and boi-_ " Glorfindel: " _What's up Witch-kingy my man?_ " Witch King: " _AAAH, RUN AWAY, RUN AWAY!_ "

@Levacque Месяц назад

Normally I don't complain about this kind of thing, but THREE ads in a 17-minute video?? Google is a goddamn mess now.

@eugenebelford9087 Месяц назад

What puzzles me is: Why didn't he know or at least make an educated guess where the Shire was? The Hobbits had been in Arthedain for more than 300 year before Fornost fell. And they didn't sneak in; they were officially recognized and given (very good) land by Aragorn's ancestors. And Hobbits stand out in that they look very different than all other men. So, he knew Gollum (particularly, his size) and he found out that the Stoors no longer settled in their Hobbit holes near the Anduin. Why didn't he at that point connect the dots and rode directly towards the Shire/ the settlements he must have known were in Arthedain?

@SpottedHares Месяц назад

There was a joke that the Nazgûl mistook who Bilbo was based on what they could peace together. A great burgled that travel to steal from the greatest dragon alive, stole the greatest treasure in its hoard, survived a battle of 5 armies without a scratch, was awarded 1/13 of the largest treasure ever known. He used a sword of ancient elven design, and worse armor made of the rates metal In The world. and lastly he has the One Ring. It most likely very confused the Nazgûl and the witch king as to where the ring was actually hiding as all their beliefs didn’t really account for some one with all of that leaving the ring to their nephew and have it lying around unguarded .

@Aufsammelkabbler Месяц назад

@@SpottedHares Yeah, after hearing that story I wouldn‘t be surprised if Sauron unconsciously dismissed rumors about some incredibly weak, peaceful creatures living far of from his current objectives. They must have flown under his radar since they are absolutely uninteresting to him compared to pretty much everyone else in middle earth. He sat his eyes upon the mighty and the story of the master thief seemed to support that approach.

@istari0 Месяц назад

Hobbits are a fairly reclusive bunch. They keep to themselves a great deal and prior to the events of The Hobbit really hadn't shown up in the histories of the world. In all likelihood, neither Sauron or the Witch King had ever encountered a Hobbit or at least didn't pay them any mind if either crossed paths with one.

@CthulhuInc Месяц назад

he had a LOT on his mind - and he wasn't paid to think, was he? 🙃

@spacemissing Месяц назад

The Shire wasn't necessarily named that while the Witch-king was still in the area. Place names take a while to develop; sometimes they are changed over centuries, and that becomes still more likely over millennia. News travels fastest in dense populations; the entire north-west of Middle-Earth had been relatively empty for quite a while after Angmar finished off the last of the kings. It is logically to be presumed that there simply wasn't a continuous chain of open communication all the way from Bree to Gondor. Gandalf seemed to say as much in different words.

@jonlee6794 Месяц назад

sweet! this is my favorite video series that you make. it's such a nice way to hear the story retold!

@jordanlyons8453 Месяц назад

I would have loved to have seen more of how Mordor runs in the movies. Sauron and the relationships with his lieutenants, Orc ranks and tribes (fighting pits) etc. would have been the perfect opportunity to venture more into Mordor in the lands of Nurn or even Rhun to the east. The trilogy was perfect in its own right, but we could have seen more.

@lqr824 19 часов назад

I'm obsessed with the question of: what did they EAT? Dwarves underground, elves and men in cities, orcs in camps, balrogs, watchers, giant spiders, dragons, fell beasts. Armies are basically questions not of arms but of logisitics. Whither the leather, the steel, the bread?

@JoeBob23 Месяц назад

I'm always thoroughly confused as to why the Nazgul would even bother with clothes, literally only wearing them so that others can see them. Now hearing that at some point they did just roam around naked so as to not be seen, I'm even more bewildered.

@luked3267 Месяц назад

I may be incorrect but I believe they are unable to interact with the physical realm while naked and they need the clothes/armor to touch and manipulate physical things. Hence the horses, they still have to walk while naked and why they didn’t simply regroup to continue the chase after having their physical forms destroyed at Bruinen.

@DukeTrout 24 дня назад

Jaqueline Carey explores essentially this perspective in her Sundering duaology books Banewreaker and Godslayer. Names have been changed to protect the guilty, but the protagonist of these books is very much a Witch-King character, defending the “bad” god from the wrath of elves and righteous men.

@lqr824 День назад

For me the biggest question in LOTR is: what does everyone EAT? Dwarves below ground? Elves? Orcs? Dragons? Fell beasts must need to eat three cows a day. Is a single cow or sheep even mentioned in the books?

@88gschannel39 Месяц назад

I know its not the same thing but i get this feeling, this Witch King is the same will-power of Aragorn. Here's another way of looking at it, imagine all of Aragorn's success, now make it evil.

@SurferJoe1 Месяц назад

14:58 "....a form of prophetic armor..." ...So the last few seconds of his life, or 'un-life'..." So much good writing here, so well expressed and engaging; excellent storytelling, and like reading the books themselves, a great pleasure for the listener. Incidentally, the Witch-king's confrontation with Gandalf is my favorite scene in the books (and consequently, my least favorite scene in the films).

@Kenjitsuka Месяц назад

Another re-release?

@tonyhinrichs1869 Месяц назад

Hey Robert I’ve been a member of your channel for a while now and have to say what a fantastic story teller you are and can always get all the details and break them down! Your channel is awesome brother!!! ❤

@KironKabir Месяц назад

to be honest his expansion pack in BFME2 was pretty good

@superslayerguy Месяц назад

Hey Robert, this is Richard :) thanks for showing me the beauty of Tolkien’s universe.

@matthewhelmers1426 9 дней назад

I just watched your Cirdan video before this and it is interesting to contrast the difference between two for whom Foresight had revealed their future. Cirdan became a hero and sacrificed everything before he could attain Valinor, while the Witch King was still ruled by fear and selfishness (no doubt those were the seeds of accepting his ring from the onset). Side note- I was thinking of Caddy Shack and the "I've been told that I'll see Valinor in my lifetime, so I've got that going for me" vibes :)

@funkydinosaur Месяц назад

Ohhhhh this is the video that I didn't know I needed but i soooooo needed. Thank you, Robert!

@blueshit199 Месяц назад

I would really love a video game set in the 2nd Age where you play as one of the nine men chosen by Sauron to bear his rings of power

@genuinetuffguy1854 Месяц назад

Excellently narrated! Pride before the fall indeed! Such a parallel to real life and spiritual villains, no doubt Sir Tolkien was influenced by what he witnessed in WWI and by his Catholic faith.

@faymilan2429 Месяц назад

very happy and grateful your still uploading , huge fan here thank you !

@TotalDESSSS Месяц назад

Love the poetic and philosophical elements, and how Tolkien masterfully played with archetypes.

@lonseb9987 Месяц назад

I just love how you know these worlds of fantasy and know how to talk about them. I wished one day you’d make a video about my books as well. In a far future perhaps, but one day.

@davewave1982 Месяц назад

Can you do a video of how and why the movies differed from the books?

@jenniedarling3710 Месяц назад

It would need to be a whole series, but I would love to see Robert's take on that as well.

@tTaseric Месяц назад

The main reason why is simply because movies are an audio-visual medium, and books are just text. You can't stop the plot in a movie to explain how a character is feeling or what they're thinking, like you can with a book. Some things can be explained easily with text, but would require cumbersome exposition in a movie format, which is probably the cause for a few lost characters. Movies have stricter rules on pacing and length. There simply isn't enough time to get it all in.

@British_Rogue Месяц назад

That would be a terribly dull series.

@blueshit199 Месяц назад

@@tTaseric yeah, sometimes you'd need to have entire scenes filmed for events that characters describe, like was done with the Balrog fight in the Two Towers, and even then half of Gandalf's account of that event as is in the book was left out from th movie because it would be too long as you said. I suppose in books you can get away with long exposition like this because the rest of text is descriptions of environments, actions and feelings which already slow things down. another example is how Aragorn found and captured Gollum and it's only a paragraph in the books, but never mentioned in the movies and instead that part of the story is getting an entire movie on its own

@jonesnori Месяц назад

The movies also added stuff not in the books, though, and expanded battle scenes greatly. That to me argues that lack of time was not actually their motivation to cut things.

@jeffdege4786 Месяц назад

Saruman very clearly did know where the Shire was, sometime before the end of the story. He had agents in Bree at the time Frodo lo assed through. So was Saruman lying?

@pbibbles Месяц назад

Robert, at this point, you no longer need to include "if you're interested" when offering to make a video on a related topic to the video at hand. We are interested. We are always interested.

@iandennis7836 Месяц назад

Oh yes, we're interested all right......off you go, we'll just wait here for it😁

@MO-go9oo Месяц назад

The Nazgul of Sauron, I mean how fricking cool would that be as a series

@christianriddler5063 24 дня назад

They don't talk a lot, most of their conversations are probably telepathic or non-verbal. They have personalities but are completely dominated by the will of Sauron. I am not sure you could do a lot with a set of characters like that.

@peopleskarmasquad1042 Месяц назад

In the 3rd age Sauron became like Morgoth, hiding away in his stronghold letting others take the heat.

@robertthompson90 Месяц назад

Hi Robert, this is Robert

@Svensk7119 Месяц назад

Perhaps it was not hubris at the gate. No enemy of the West had ever passed the Gate of Gondor, so he attempted to be the first. He failed. And still, no enemy of Gondor has ever passed the Gate of Gondor. Though it took an Ainur to hold it against the Witch-King.

@RandomizedCTRL Месяц назад

I would 1000% play an rpg/ tactical videogame where you play as the witch-king and lead mordor's armies. Maybe with an 'what-if' epilogue where you don't get killed by Eowyn.

@ufoenigma7858 29 дней назад

Man this sounds like the 'Black Belt Barrister's' voice on this video's voiceover/narration... Great episode thanks.

@theevermind Месяц назад

I think it can be argued that the resolve of the evil armies is not so much of a real thing that can be broken by the death of one like the Witch King. Rather, the will of the Witch King holds them in line with fear. Once that is gone, they break free to flee. They are ruled by fear, and if when the fear of the enemy outweighs the fear of their leader, they crumble. It is similar to Timothy Zahn's Heir to the Empire books. He introduced the idea that the Imperial Navy was being directly influenced by the Force powers of the Emperor. When he died, they fell into disarray because no longer was there a single will driving them. Thus, they were routed by the smaller and less equipped Rebel forces. Certainly, the magic of the Witch King would have held the army together at the Pelennor Fields.

@my-king Месяц назад

Thank you. I love these videos. Thank you! ❤️👍🏻

@cauxzieruffhausen9547 Месяц назад

You, Robert, are a great writer.

@illusiveman8408 25 дней назад

I really wish we got to see a big fight between the heros and sauron! The only fight we really got was witchking vs gandalf and it lasted a whole 10 seconds. They coulda at least made it longer like how we got to see the gandalf and balrog fight at beginning of two towers which was awesome!

@demondelaplace5161 Месяц назад

Lord of the Rings from Ghân-buri-Ghân’s perspective next.

@glorthoron3791 26 дней назад

If anyone is interested; in the non-canon Middle Earth Roleplay Game of the 80s and 90s, the Witch King was named "Er-Murazôr".

@lqr824 День назад

I feel like the story of the East--Saruman and the Blue Wizards--might have been every bit as complicated and interesting as the story we know of the northwest.

@procrastinator9 Месяц назад

Loves this channel. Loves the demise of the villains in this story -- so delicious. Rues the demise of the heroes -- so tragic and beautiful. Such a wonderful piece of art.

@lunzie01 Месяц назад

Please do the story arc of Merry and Eowyn. They were left behind, but made all the difference....

@mellowboba9298 Месяц назад

The thumbnail makes the witch king look like a mafia boss. Witch King: Alright mugzi , yous bash the hobbit and takes his ring. Mugzi: Dah, oh boy oh boy I’m gonna bash that hobbit good! Won’t I boss, won’t I bash that hobbit good?! Witch King:(SMACK!) Sheddup Mugzi!

@Djorgal Месяц назад

About the death of the witch king. It's not just Eowyn's feminity that did him in. He was stabbed by a hobbit wielding a Dúnedain dagger forged specifically by a smith of Arnor to counter the witch kind's magic. It was indeed no living man who hindered him. It was a long dead man, a hobbit and a woman.

@rickjensen2035 Месяц назад

Good video on the witch king's travels and such. I would like to see a video about the Lord of the Rings from Denethor, Steward of Gondor perspective.

@vulpesinculta9578 Месяц назад

Keep the original material coming.

@NickThorbjørnsen2207 17 дней назад

Can we just agree that not even on his best day was The Witch King singularly capable of defeating Gandalf?

@robertburns2415 Месяц назад

pride goes before destruction a haughty spirit before a fall

@ramonalfaro3252 Месяц назад

As always!!! Terrific content!!!! Thanks In Deep Geek!!!

@ALittleOffProduction Месяц назад

I'm still waiting for LOTR from the perspective of that fish that golem ate in Return of the King.

@Critter145 Месяц назад

Excellent video. Just this morning, I was catching up on the LOTR playlist!

@spencerlegan770 Месяц назад

Always loved “In Deep Geek”. One question though, what ever happened to the travel guide videos you used to make? The one where you give a narrative of a city as if you were a traveler in the world experiencing themself? I loved those and can’t find them!

@edwarddobson1630 12 дней назад

Sounds like the Witch King did everything right in his campaign against Gondor, simply every single variable went against him. Don’t forget he left a force screening Rohan’s route only for a group of natives to show Rohan secret routes. It is not unfortunate that he amassed a force to overwhelm Gondor, broke the will of the Steward, brought together the tools to smash the gate. It is unfortunate for him that a wizard was present, the king defeated his diversion plan with an army of the dead, and he was stabbed in the heel with a magic blade.