I am Brazilian, and I can say that to my knowledge, no one has ever died with this shower. It is a cheap shower of questionable quality, its useful life is about average from 2 to 4 years, and once the heater element ("resistance") breaks, it is more feasible to buy another shower than to repair/change it, that is how most people do here. This shower is very sold and very common to be found in a typical Brazilian house in the whole country. The question about the apparent wires, even before they can rust and break, the heater element spoils and the shower is replaced by a new one. The real suicide showers were showers of this and other brands, produced until 1997, with metal casing. They caused so many deaths that the standard-setting body banned the commercialization of showers, electric taps, heaters, and other things with metal casings. On the matter of grounding, the overwhelming majority of homes do not have a grounding system since construction! There is no way to connect the ground in the shower if the house has no grounding, and doing so means breaking a good part of the concrete floor of the house, which is laborious and expensive, so most houses do not own it
Rikintosh just out of interest, why do people buy these things when they don't last very long? My power shower cost £150, it is roughly 15 years old and it still works like new as long as I descale the shower head every couple of years. Why don't Brazilians invest in a more expensive, longer lasting option? Are these shower heads used mostly by poorer people?
Yes, most poor people use electric showers, the middle class usually uses the gas to heat the water of the house or apartment. There are showers of better quality, electric, I even have a 50 dollars with gradual temperature regulation and very economical. Most people use electric showers because the country was colonized by Europeans, so the houses were built of bricks, and when the electric power arrived in the country, the houses began to be built already with wires for electric heating, the gas heating did not was common at that time because the country had no gas refineries. In fact, it had neither refineries of oil or flour until the beginning of the century. Until 30 years ago the electric shower killed many people, because the pipes were not made of pvc like today, they were made of iron, and the electric shower was not usually grounded (to this day, grounding in the houses is not common), then sometimes people were electrocuted while touching the faucet because the shower enclosures were made of steel.
Martyn James - because low income families cannot afford more expensive ones. It's easier to buy a R$60 shower that will last you 3 years than spending five to ten times more money and still need to change the resistance when it burns out. That's a LOT of money for poor families.
Nowadays, usually it's used by poorer people. I'm middle class, I live in an apartment, we used to have one until I was about 11yo, then we moved to another, newer, one and since then we use gas heating, so it's been almost 10 years since I've last seen one personally. And as a side note, we did use the second, smaller, shower head! :) It's the only thing I miss from it, really. And in Brazil, what may be a small difference in price for an American or British person it's usually way more costly for us. So that's why we may choose a worse option that's just slightly cheaper for other countries. In your example, £150, that's R$755, that's crazy expensive for a shower head. It's almost the same as the minimum wage (monthly), and it's higher than the minimum wage was in 2014. Just doing a quick search on the internet, I found the Lorenzetti shower head from this video for R$40, and a more expensive, better-looking one, for R$300 (also from Lorenzetti).
@@jggouvea Jose I remember you somewhere else on the internet. I just don't recall where lol. But yes, since those showers don't last that long I think they are safe if installed properly.
Have used this shower head for the lady 15 years in my baguio home. I can honestly say it works so well compared to other conventional (box type ) heaters. Just recently replaced a new set after so many years of use. Nothing to be worried about so long as proper grounding is done.
I'm Brazilian and I have used this shower my whole life. The most dangerous thing is not the shower but how people install it. It is very, very common to connect the ground in the return (negative) wire. This is because most houses do not have grounding which is a recent requirement in construction.
Those things are super common in low income neighborhoods here in México. So much so that they're sold by the Home Depot franchise. The thing is that those pics are diy stuff worthy of the darwinian award because in most cases you'll see a clean install. They were initially intended as a backup solution cos propane/lp prices are super freakin volatile in México so most people can't really afford a 24/7 boiler setup or electrical heaters. Since in México all (or most) houses are grounded, at least here nobody has ever died from an electrocution as a consequence of a malfunction on those things. I wouldn't hate them because they have "the potential to kill someone" but rather because their heating elements are super freakin cheap. Those things die every 3 months of use or so and are hard to find since the demand for those things is so high on shelters and industrial showers
Threen months only?! Here in Brazil everyone knows that even the heating element takes far longer to die - let alone the shower itself. You shouldn't buy "generic brand" or "Made in China" electric showers!
yes.. very odd. I use a mixed system with solar and electrical central heater + electric shower head (they heat quicker also some of them have pressurizer) anyway... I can't remember having to change the resistance in less than 1 year... I'd say that they lasts at least 2 years in average. And I do buy better ones. Lorenzetti has a line where the heating element comes on a cartridge, so it's very easy to change it. Actually I changed 1 of mine a week ago. But forgot to turn it off before having some water passing trough... result: almost burn the entire showerhead and had to buy another cartridge.
Guilherme Sartorato That must be the issue! Most of the ones we buy are Made in China (and are not even that cheap in their price tag lmao). Those Made in China one's are the only ones sold by the Home Depot. In most cases, other hardware stores reserve themselves of selling heated showers in that presentation because they also want to sell you instalation services, so they'll try to get you to buy Electric heaters or Boiler setups and instalation services. Since mostly everything in the Home Depot is DIY, I guess that that's why these days you only find them in super markets and home depot.
+Vulgar Phil +Grigio Oh, yeah; I found it amazing too, when my wife told me she has lived in a pension whose shower had solar heating + electric head. While I frown upon those expensive "Star Trek" solar energy set ups, I found out solar heaters are far more realiable, sturdy, easy to install, cheap and low-maintenance. Notice heating and air-conditioning are the main culprits of higher electricity bills while the impact of (non-incandescent) lamps, electronic stuff and electric tools/appliances (other than refrigerators, computers and large TV sets) is negligible.
😁 It is fun to see one of the most iconic products sold in Brasil (my country) on a blog from another country. This shower looks dangerous but truth is almost everyone in Brasil use them from poor to middle class and even some rich people, the only thing that change is the sophistication of the shower.
I think brazilian people don't like that other countries have access to gas installations and they say they are not safe. Why? If you don't know how it works? Gas or electrical tanks for water heating, properly installed, regulated and FAR AWAY from the shower, are the standard in any serious country. It would be better for you to accept that you use something that it's risky to improve, instead of arguing that the entire world is wrong.
There has been a total of 200 deaths in a year related to electricity in Brazil's homes, and most of them are related to electrical sockets. If there`s even one case a year of death related to a electrical shower, i`d be surprised. It`s almost impossible to die from one of them.
noxxi knox man, take it for what it's worth it. I'm 31 yo and I have had an averege of 2 showers a day with those. Never been shocked. In some cases, you feel a little shock when you touch the valve if the shower is not grounded (in my house they are all grounded) and I didn't say it's impossible to die from it, I told you I don't know any case whereas I knew people that died from gas related problems even they are much less common. I'm not advocating for one kind of shower or other but trying to show those who never had contact with one of those to know that when you get under one of these you are not almost committing suicide as it is being shown in this lame video.
noxxi knox as I said earlier, this is a huge country and there are areas where neighter gas nor electricity is available. Guess what? People warm their water in a stove to shower with a bucket. I'm just trying to tell folks that we are not stupid as some are thinking. There is really nothing that dangerous happening here in this regard.
Here in Brazil this shower is very popular and rated safe to use by INMETRO, one of the brazilian regulatory agencies. The risk of electric shock by droplets doesn't exists. The droplets are isolated by the air that isn't conductive. The ground wire is provided to avoid risk of shock of on the faucet valvle. I use this type of shower over 45+ years and never noticed someone getting a shock using it.
What if you are a taller person that can easily touch the shower head while it's operating? Would there still be air separating the droplets from the shower head?
I have used these for ages, here in Kenya. I install them for people. Small shocks can be avoided by ensuring good earthing. PPR (plastic) piping and plastic water tanks are the main issue on earthing problems, once bridged, all is good, nice hot showers and even nicer low powerbills....
Brazilian civil engineer here. These might look dangerous to foreigners, but they are actually quite safe as long as the wiring is well done. One of the main reasons electric showerheads are abundant in Brazil is because for many decades there was an abundance of hydropower, particularly in the 80s. Sure it looks like the water in contact with the resistors should conduct power to the person showering, but it's almost negligible because the conductance of the copper element is much higher than that of a mass of water. The thing about these shower heads is that they can really pull a lot of current, especially on 127v grids. The only really safe way to do it on 127v is to get two phases into the shower head so they add up to 220v. That much copper can cost a pretty penny, so it happens that people want to save on the wiring and end up trying to cram 40 amps in a single conductor. That usually melts the insulation and quickly makes the shower a fire hazard. That's where most of the accidents related to this shower tend to happen. But in the end, electric shower heads can be quite safe as long as properly installed.
@Jack park "Electricity and water should never mix" So is ignorance a blessing? We, ignorant, never died electrocuted in an electric shower. So, you, first-world intellectual, do not even try. You're going to die on the first try. :)
My guess is that around 80% of Brazilian households have a Lorenzetti shower head. It's actually hard to find alternatives unless you go to a big store. There's one exactly like the one in the video in my bathroom. I can't say how safe they are, but they definitely look scary if you look closely. But they do work very well. The worst that has happened after several years of use is it stopped working and I bought a new one (costs about 10 USD and another 10 to get it installed).
Great report. I use that shower and same brand ever since a I was a kid and I am 54 now and still alive (lol). They are very safe actually and just like you said the only issues are to take care in a good installation safeties. That's all. Thanks. Good video.
You probably had 110 V on it. If things go wrong you'll get about half of that through your body. 50 to 55 V at the most. Still not good but don't go and use this with 220 V.
Any reason for assuming he had 110V? My country (and plenty of others in America) use 220V as standard, they're perfectly legal and quite common, altough not as popular as gas. There might be one or two deaths per year but it's always due to poor installation or manteinance.
NdrHrlnd yea, 22 yo here and can confirm all my life I've been using the exact same brand with a 220v. 110 is not very strong, so colder parts of the country need the 220v. Perfectly safe, just don't f up the installation
all people i knew have one of these in a 220V community, i've never heard of someone who got hurt because of an electrical shower, not even in the news i googled about them and they seem to be as safe as gas heated showers
I'm brazilian and at home we've had a couple of these catch fire in the 90's, pretty scary. When it's really cold outside, say 4°C, you have to reduce the water flow to a minimum to get hot water and risk running the showerhead dry. Some showerheads are made of steel and advertised as more powerful. As others commented in portuguese, its common to shower in flipflops to avoid small annoying tingling shocks, and some electricians shorten the lenght of the resistor to make it hotter.
As a Brazilian I believe that electric showers are way safer than gas heating shower(no gas leaking, no accidental fires, no limited hot water). I never got shocked on those, I heard some people who had got shocked but it was as you said “more of a tingling sensation”. The pics you showed scared me to hell, I still love electric showers tho. Great review!
Safer than the kind of gas-heating shower found in Brasil and not elsewhere, perhaps. These electric devices were ubiquitous in Peru in the 80s and 90s (and are still somewhat common). It's enough to hit your head against one of them to get a nasty shock (possibly harmless if you are healthy, but still).
I've used this shower head for 17 years. Never had an issue with it. It works perfectly. And it does not consume that much electricity. Installation is very important.
I’ve showered with these all over South America and Africa for 3 years and have been shocked dozens of times. Mostly by the metal faucets when turning on the water. The plastic lorenzetti may have only given me a tingle a time or two. So it’s not that bad if done right. Third world countries have a lot of dirt in the city water that clogs the little holes in the nozzles. Also algae builds up too. Thanks a ton for the review! Helping me fix mine in Tanzania now! I should’ve watched you years ago!
This kind of shower, when installed correctly (whether it’s connected on an exclusive ground conductor or grounded on the neutral, which is always grounded in the utility meter) is very safe. The concept works (tap water has a minimum impedance that avoids any current leakage) and the proof of concept is the widespread use in Brazil. Lorenzetti is a well known and respectable brand, and this shower model - although cheap - is standardized and manufactured to be absolutely safe for normal use.
I just want to clarify for everyone. This is not a product I'm recommending, due to the potential safety issues. There's a potential for electric shocks, for the earth wire to corrode over time and for the switch to become jammed while water isn't flowing, which could cause the elements to overheat and the unit to catch on fire. It might be unlikely, but it's a possibility. It was extremely fun to review and I'm glad I was able to share it on my channel. But, if you want a hot shower, buy a proper certified water heater.
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These are actually fairly safe. I saw someone wrote about the poor places in Mexico uses this. I live in south america and travel alot. Almost all houses in Costa Rica uses this system as well as Peru, Bolivia, Brazil etc. I've been using this system for well over 4 years. Yes, 4 years and I shower once a day. You do feel a slight tingle if you put your hand up to the spout when it's on. You don't feel anything taking a shower.
Dude, I've experienced the electric tangling sensation throughout all my childhood at my grandmother's house. I wish I knew about the grounding wires before so I could have warned my grandmother about her poor shower installation. Anyhow, you get used to the shocks and learn what things not to touch while showering in order to not get zapped...Ah I miss the good old times...
These are pretty much the standard showers here in Brazil. Every household has one or more of these. I can assure you that it is totally safe, if properly installed. The only problem is that these are not cheap to run (5.000 watts or more). Also: your cable is what we would call over engineered...c'mon! I never heard of a single electrocution case related to these showers ever in my life...
There are certain conditions that need to be met before it will kill you. If the heating element gets damaged (for example due to corrosion) and the grounding cannot safe you for some reason (not connected, broken, or corroded; bare wire corrodes easily), then the shortest part to ground is via the victim taking a shower. A human that is wet doesn't stand a chance to survive a mains voltage electrical shock. So, it might not kill you under normal circumstances, but that certainly doesn't mean it is safe. The very first lesson in electrical safety is isolation. You could argue the second lesson is to keep electricity away from water. This device not just brings unisolated electrical wire near water, but through water. That is a big no-no in electrical safety. I can tell you: Here in Europe it is even forbidden to have normal electrical sockets in bathrooms (some bathrooms have sockets powered by an isolation transformer though). Not because a socket would immedeately kill, it won't. But for safety, you want to keep electricity far, far away from water.
I'm a Brazilian Electrical Engineer, and yes, I agree with you. But you live in Europe. These kind of stuff is cheap and affordable to you. Here in Brazil, it's Hard to find a home that have ground protection. GFCI like circuits are very uncommon on house's installation, in fact, this kind of protection is being used from like, 10 years ago. I haven't met or heard of a sigle person that got electrocuted by the shower head. In fact, we even joke that in some houses, the shower shocks when you touch the register you so you need to get shower with flip flops to your feet dont meet direclty the ground, and dont get shocked. (Yeah). But no one died. The water and body resistance is too high to be lethal, you need, like, to hold two live wires, from different potential, wet, to get shocked. When the resistance broke, there are live wires on water. Yeah! Live wires on water. And guess what? You dont get shocked, because current goes throught water to the other side of the conductor, and every remainig current that lasts get absorbed from the ground circuit. It's pretty safe. That's why os easier to burn a house with this kind of equipament, using unaproppriate wires to the load, than get electrocuted. Risks exists? Sure. But gas is more dangerous than this, if installed in a unaproppriate way.
This facts can scare you a little, but Brazilians are very used with this kind of equipament, and in fact, every Brazilian had took a shower with live wires on water, because, at least once, a brazilian got a cold bath during shower because the resistance got broken (and because of the lack of knowledge of brazilian people is responsable to the lack of fear too). Brazilians are alive, so do I, and I garantee that it's safe. We also have Inmetro, that rules if a equipament can or can not be sold in Brazil, and this Brand is the biggest Brand of shower heads of Brazil, with years of tradition. They aways certify this equipament to the worst case of house installation, (lack of GFCI, circuit breakers, ground and unaproppriate wires), to at least, if one or more of above fail, it dont kill the person. (Scare a little, damage, but do not kill). Seriously, where do you think that we live? Unfortunadely, in technology, Brazil stopped in time, but we aren't a suicidal population. C'mon.
It's incredible how noticeable is that brazilians are latin americans. Still knowing the danger of mixing electricity with water, and the danger of not using ground wiring, they defend this stuff with the developing country argument of "nobody ever died with it". That's how life worth in Brazil.
The spot welded wires is to make it cheap. Terminal blocks would increase the price and complexity of the manufacturing process. The model you used is probably one of the cheapest around selling for 10 pounds. Regulations require them to be used with differential circuit breakers, not that there is anyone checking. And statistically it is very safe, over 200 million Brazilians use them more than once a day (Brazilians tend to take 1-2 showers per day) with very few incidents.
This. Diferencial circuit breakers are a HUGE security factor. And those scary, ground-less installations are NOT the rule! Most of these showers are properly installed, even low education electricians usually know the basics of security. As most of the people here, at least in Brazil I have NEVER heard of a shower accident, and surprisingly, serious electrical accidents are pretty rare in general.
Low education electricians (or cowboys as we call them in the UK) know next to nothing about electricity other than you need to connect the live to the live and the neutral to the neutral to make things turn on, other than that they will often negate to do anything regarding ground/earth and will often bypass fuses or circuit breakers using a small length of wire or a nail. The next post will statistically be a bigot blaming cowboy sparksmanship on immigrants but I've seen many home-grown white Brits replace a blown fuse with the same fuse just wrapped in tinfoil.
I used to live in shitty favela when I was a kid, there were around 10k houses there most of them with illegal energy and no circuit breakers, I remember my shower used to be like the images he showed: no grounding, tape isolated and the shower had a leak that actually channeled water in the wires! Lived like this for 15 years, and I either never heard about shower accident (even tho those 10k houses were asking for it). If you ground it correctly, the chances of you being reket is pratically 0.
I believe since we are using that kind of shower for so long here in Brasil, it's acctualy hard to find a house without grounding at least on the shower's power outlet, even old ones. So, it's just a matter of connecting all the wires properly.
I'm 40 years old and have been using this shower for the lifetime. Never heard about someone dying. I don't even use the earth wire, most of people don't use it. I think 80% of brazilians, or more, do use an electric shower like this one. No fatalities at all.
I’m from Brazil and I use the eletric shower for 24 years. And I’m a mechanical engineer, the eletric shower is very safety. It’s use on Brazil for almost 100 years. I don’t know someone who has died electrocuted
Here in Brazil we use it in practically every house. There are some precautions you take when using this type of keychain. 1. It must be electrically grounded, that is, the energy that escapes from the shower must go to the ground. 2.The water that comes out of it does not cause a shock, but you should not change the power of the shower while it is on, as this generates an electric current. 3.The shower only turns on when the diaphragm inside it fills with water, so to turn it off, just don't let the water flow, then change the power and then turn it on again. 4. Do not use a metal water release system (handle or water valve), as if the power is not connected correctly, the current could pass to the valve and cause a shock.
I'm brazilian, and watching this review is like watching an alien reviewing a bicycle talking about its physical dangers LOL We brazilians take 1 to 3 showers everyday, it is perfectly safe. The only downside is that if you happen to have small cuts on your fingers or very short nails, you may feel a small shock when holding the water tap. In that case, just use the palm of your hand to rotate it.
vitorfray Fale isso por você, pois todo chuveiro principalmente o Lorenzetti tem fio terra para descarregar a corrente que flui em torno da resistência. Mas mesmo não tendo o terra é difícil levar choque nas feridas que você disse, pode até existir casos como esse, mas é bem isolado.
Moisés Marcondes Esses choquinhos acontecem mais em 220V quando não tem aterramento adequado. Nada grave, é só incômodo mesmo. Na casa da minha avó e em outros chuveiros já tomei choques leves.
Your bicycle analogy is very clever. Here in Europe - Health and Safety is a billion dollar industry so we can see why we have so many rules and scared people.
Those type of showers are extremely popular here in Brazil. I’ve never heard of someone who got hurt (all my friends have decent electric installations though). Lorenzetti is just one of the many makers we have here.
These are the norm here in Brazil, they're cheap and you don't need a heater but I can agree it has potential to do harm, the biggest problem on them is that the cables are usually thin and when it's colder you need a lot more potency. It's not uncommon to see the stuff getting on fire around the tapes or the cables melting. Also lots of people install these shower themselves instead of paying for a capable professional to do the job.
EJ Tech: ... Honestly I was here to post that a Tankless would be too cost prohibitive, But I checked Home Depot Canada and a 5500 Watt Tankless HWH (suitably for a VERY nice hot water shower) is only $191 ... compared to the Suicide Shower Head at $30? ... the tankless is a very reasonably priced alternative and 100% safe ... GREAT tip!
Here in the UK a 10kW electric shower is fairly normal, but we don't use a goofy low 110V supply. A suicide shower would trip the residual current breakers that are in most houses as well as them being such a low wattage they're useless.
@@go3cia Just follow the instructions and install the ground wire and everything will be fine, also try to buy Made in Brazil electric showers they're better than the Chinese copy.
I'm Brazilian and I can assure you that this definitely would never kill someone... I personally hate electric shower but not for that... I think that the water is to "weak" (not pressure enough, imo) and also not hot enough, that's why I prefer solar heating system (also a very good option for you on Phillipines) or the gas one. Nevertheless most people have it because it's way cheaper than making an investment in a solar heating equipment (also, buildings rarely have it), gas is generally not available in smaller cities in a safer way and so on.
So sad to see ignorant people spreading misinformation around! You can't close a electrical connection with this type of shower so there is no way you gonna get electrocuted or something for taking a shower with this devices.
i live in brazil and i used this kind of shower and he is right if u don't install it right whit the ground whire u will get a tingle, and it already happens here in Brazil that people died at touching the whater close to the shower. Sorry for my bad english, i'm brazillian.
We have been using them here in Costa Rica since i was born over 40 years ago, And here in Costa Rica our electrical grounding codes are not very strict. I have never heard of anyone dying using one, BIG MONEY is trying to scare you all into buying their more expensive stuff!
The electric shower is a 100% Brazilian creation. Loved it, much safer than the gas ones. 0.0000000000001 case per year of accidents. Totally safe! 25 years using one, love my Lorenzetti.
Believe it or not those shower heads are very safe when wired properly even if the heating element burns up (opens) you won't be electrocuted the worse that can happen is one heaving to finish their shower with cold water.Anyway that's a very cheap one there are much better units available. In Brazil only the poor use this model or should i say not even the poor use this model.
do you have a brand of the better models? Kind of interested to see 1 of those. I think this thing looks kind of flimsy. Even seen videos of a guy where you could clearly see that flash from the contacts making contact when water pressure came in. And it wasnt a small flash, it was like someone used a camera flasher inside the thing.
Lorenzetti, Corona, Fame, Hydra,... and many others use the same principle to heat water. Some models with better design and others with "electronic control" aka triac.
Actually is not only Hydra that doesn't need PVC tube. I have a Lorenzetti shower ("ducha" and not "chuveiro") that is like the Hydra that you talked about.
4:40 is not because "blowing itself up", it's because if it keeps filling the water will raise and probably leak into the electric part. Still entertaining watch, I live in Argentina (right next to Brazil) I've never seen one of these in my entire life.
Thanks for the info :) By the way, when I said blowing up, I meant more that the top or bottom part would blow off because of the pressure rather than some kind of explosion :P
I am from Argentina too and when i went to Brazil i was shocked (pun intenteded) by this little thing. I could actually felt the electricity and i figured out that the whole water heater machine was inside the shower! Freaking scary for me cause i never saw something like that before.
Brazil and Paraguay, they are very common in the suburbs and in many major cities because of its cost. It is much cheaper than buying a water heater and do all the pipes. In Argentina there is a similar system, the electric water heater which is basically a plastic or metal can with a resistance inside. You fill this with water, connect it to the the socket, and it has a shower built in. The most advanced models had a on off swicht, for the rest it is advisable to unplug it before using it. In my case, very useful when the Gas company closed the gas connection for months.
Hernán Payne i live in paraguay, everyone uses it, i only know one friend that almost died, and not cause of these showers, ironically, he actually had a external water heater for the whole house and it suddently exploted for no reason, since then he uses this "dangereous" solution.
I've seen hundreds of these in Brazil. I do hate electric shower heads because you get a trickle of water that is either superhot or just cold. Always rented apartments with real gas heaters.
American here and former electrician. I’ve seen these things on several trips to Peru and I saw a lot of this crazy wiring. I was told “don’t touch the shower head while you are taking a shower”. Just insane that anywhere in the world a product with such a tiny safety margin would be so popular. The reason you won’t see those in the US is that even if there was 2 deaths a year the company would be sued into bankruptcy. We have electric water heaters in the US and the conductive element is surrounded by ceramic insulation and encased in a grounded metal tube. At no time is electricity in contact with water. As far as gas explosions from electric heaters, those almost never happen. I have never heard of one on the news, and have never heard anyone tell me it happened to them or someone the know. We know they happen because safety videos tell us, but it is statistically zero.
I live in Brazil, used to have that shower head, and currently have one that's pretty much the same, except a different brand. I would be amazed if there's been even a single death by electrocution caused by this shower head in the past decade. The average toaster you can get in the US electrocutes more people than this shower does.
@@QuotePilgrim You can find plenty if you look for "muerte ducha eléctrica". How many of those deaths in Spanish-speaking Latin America are due to locally produced showers and how many to showers that Brazil exports, I do not know.
@@haraldhelfgott195 well I remember looking up news in Portuguese about this happening back when I wrote that comment, and didn't find any. Maybe if I used different search terms I might. Anyway, sure, it may happen sometimes but I never about it from anyone I know, nor read/watched any news about it. It's safe to assume that it's an exceedingly rare occurrence, and I would still bet on people getting electrocuted by toasters being a far more common thing.
@@bernardobarajas5570 at least these third worlds mate have their own bathroom ... I've seen poor French people living in apartments without showers and having to use disgusting public showers.
These are VERY safe if installed properly. Please don't spread misinformation. The model you reviewed is also the absolute cheapest one, there are better models with better construction. Brazil actually has a very regulatory government, and they wouldn't allow them if they weren't safe. I never heard of anyone being killed while using this. I personally prefer solar/gas heating because it can handle more hot flow, but I use one of these every single day. Installed it myself and replaced the coil once. Never had the sensation of tingling. You have to understand the benefits of this kind of device. It doesn't require a whole gas/solar system so it's way cheaper and takes no space to be installed. Most if not all homes are designed to support this, with electricity next to the piping, and if I recall correctly they're required to make use of its own breaker circuit.
these are not safe at all, they break all the time and they shock people (not deadly). Brazil's excuse to not use a proper form of water heating is ridiculous, just like the country.
emanuelvidalrm Actually Brazil's excuse for cheap materials, low standards, plastic tabs, poorly constructed, made by a lazy industry that doesn't have to compete internationally (importation taxes), products, is REALLY pathetic indeed. Having said that, heating water with a resistance is actually a valid way of doing it, only people that doesn't understand the first thing about electricity and think it's almost like some kind of magic, wouldn't know that it's almost impossible to get shock from running water.
for brazilian standards, this instalation is incorrect also, lol. we'd go with a energy box with a circuit breaker (40A or above), 10mm cables or above and ground. With these 3 elements previously installed (most of brazilian homes would have it, if build properly also) - there should be no problem. but poor people use to do their DIY instalations using 4mm cables and no circuit breakers, yes, that should be the recipe for burn/melted wires, short circuits and electrocutation. for that matter most of people use rubber sandal (worldwide brand Havaianas) not to get ground on the body (another low cost brazilian solution, lol), but melted wires will someday happen anyway. most of eletric showers brands the shower resistance can function for 2 or 3 years. It would deppend of the water quality. If there's too much chlorine in the water, the resistance will last less. These cheap showers you will have to disassemble most of it to exchange. For the price and work, most people just buy a new one. Other showers it compensates to buy another resistance that is easy to substitute with no materials.
Rodrigo Tomiyoshi Actually the guy clearly stated that he's voltage is 220v, 40A circuit breaker for a 1500W shower is for 110v installations. For 220v installations it's recommended 20A circuit breaker. Also, the bigger the circuit breaker, the more dangerous it is, as the circuit breaker's entire purpose is to disarm if a quantity of current, much more than the normal operation of device passes through it. So it's actually better to use as small circuit breaker as you can get away with, even if it trips and turn off sometimes, during shower, it's inconvenient to finish the shower in cold water and then go and set it on again, but it's safer. Also, thick wires does not protect the user from electric shock (which appear to be the main concern) it only prevents the wires from overheating and starting a fire. The GFCI, which is something we've never even seen in households back here in Brazil, unlike the circuit breaker, is specifically designed to protect the user from Electric shock, it detectes difference in the current going into the live wire and coming back through the neutral, if it detects even a 4 miliamps difference, it means something else is consuming that current (your body) and it trips and turns off. Since it's needed a 200 miliamps electric shock to kill a human, it's very good addition to a house electric protection.
O melhor de tudo é aprender a trocar um desses desde criança, sem nem desligar a chave geral. Aterramento é luxo. Ninguém morre, até porque o choque de 220 V só te joga voando na parede. ...and the best of all is that you learn how to change one of those things since you're a teen. Without turning the power off. Grounding? That's just fancy. Nobody gets killed. Even 'cause it's a 220 volts electrochock and it'll just bounce you flying against the wall
Everyone in Brazil uses it... The hard part is to install that tube in that little exit of the head shower... That clogging piece doesn't come with it... And I was looking for something to tell me how to install that in an easiest way when I found your video. Thanks for sharing. I'm following you know.
I’ve used one of those while i was in Baguio city. Never been more scared taking a shower in my whole life! Lemme just say your MMDA videos are addictive!😁
Well you don't get electrocuted with these shower heads for two main reasons the first is because the "potential difference" happens mainly between the two ac lines and not between the ac line and the ground (or you). The second reason is because of the water flow isn't consistent meaning you have little drops of water falling on you and not a straight water jet what does it means? There are air gaps between the water drops and as we know air do not conduct electricity. Lorenzetti is a well known shower head manufacturer and it's been on the market for very long time so do you really think that if these showers were dangerous they will still in production?
Buddy just bc it's still in production doesn't make it good. Kimber 1911s are still made despite them being over priced trash that will blow up in your hands and lodge shrapnel in you hands and face and people still buy them. Unless you're super poor there's really no reason not to get something a bit better.
I bathe using these ever since I was born - never got shocked. Everyone in Brazil uses it, from the very poor to the very rich. I was quite surprised to see RU-vid recommending a video of some gringo trying our Lorenzetti shower. By the way, some months ago a Brazilian politician said that another politician had a "shower surname". Onyx Lorenzoni. It became a meme here. Our politicians are wild lmao
There are also high quality electrical showers here in brazil. In fact, almost all homes in most of brazil have a wiring hole or outlet right above the shower plumbing in every bathroom shower position! I've installed tons of these and removed others, wheneve i move to and from a new home. When they are grounded improperly you might get a little shock, but surprisingly not from the water, but from the metal valve!! They are perfectly safe and the heating element resistance will eventually rust and give out, and then you'd buy a new one and easily replace them. I have a really good one that was fairly expensive called the lorenzetti Futura model for about 5 years now, only had to replace the resistance twice so far too. These are great.
Brazilian here. I was a victim of this shower lots of times when I was a kid, (caught fire a few times, overheated wires and all of that) but the most scary one was when I received an electric shock cause I raised my arm and ended up touching the wire (which wasn't even covered) while showering. As mentioned in the comments below, millions of people use it and it's fairly safe when properly installed, but it doesn't take much to cause an accident while using it. I'm not sure if that could've caused me any damage, but that was pretty fucking scary and made me traumatized for a few years.
I live in Australia and have a hot water system that doesnt threaten to kill me by electric shock, but I found this video facinating. Thanks for posting.
Electricity in Brazil is cheap, because we have lots of rivers with hydroelectrics and we don't have so much propane to make fire. If we had to heat the water using propane, it should be more expansive.
II have used this type of electric shower without GROUND since I was a toddler, and I'm now 71 y/o. You are wrong, nothing happens if you don't touch the contacts. Here in Brazil maybe 70 millions or plus are installed in houses. We have not a very, very cold weather here and the majority of houses have not dual plumbing system, hot and cold. Only electric "suicide showers". This device is approved by engineering rules. I'm a retired engineer. Bathrooms have an electric box in 220 V aside the water pipe in the wall, with proper wires to support the current. The wires come from the main electric box of the house, with protection devices. So, stop talking nonsense ...
There is nothing to fear I'm Brazilian and we just use that stuff in every house across the country I've never got shocked and we don't even use the ground wire (well the common people usually don't but of course it means more safety so everyone should use) Its very rare the cases when people gets shocked and in all cases it was wrongly installed
I have used this since I was born, well... The more expensive model, the one with gradual heating and other fancier stuff, I can say it works like a charm, I had two of them fry when I was taking a bath, nothing happend at all, the heating part overheated and stoped worked. They're completely safe.
trigger? I'm not triggered, been using this kind of shower for over a decade and never had ANY problem. we hear much more people dying by gas heaters than electric showers here ;)
If you take it apart, use a glue gun and completely cover the exposed wires as much as possible. It can greatly increase the safety of the mechanism. I would also consider wiring in a circuit board designed to not pull too many amps and then a fuse just in case. That should prevent any bad things from happening, especially in an electrical storm. It's very simple tbh, just requires a bit of extra time.
Thank you SO much for educating us about this product. I was debating whether or not I should buy this product. My mom suffers from arthritis and always complains about how cold showers give her pain. I now know what I should do for a proper installation of this device without having to risk the life of a loved one. Greetings from the Dominican Republic and keep up with the good work!
In Brazil, we only use this kind of shower!! haha... And you do not take shock, even if you have not grounded, because the water comes out in the form of shower. If it were a continuous flow of water, you would have shock. (Or if you put your hand next to the water outlet nozzle! Haha).
I’m 43 and all my life I’ve been using this kind of shower and never had any issues, and also I never had notice of anyone being killed or even taking electric shocks with this device... but I already had notice (more than once) of people being killed by gas showers... for me there’s no safety issues with this electric shower, it is perfectly safe.
It saves a lot of energy since you dont lose heat on tubes as if you had a heater. It heats only the exact amount of water you gonna use. Also, it heats the water in 5 seconds, so also saves water. I love these ones and had never seen someone being shocked by taking a bath with them.
If you live in a house and your outlet is not earthed, drill a narrow hole through the floor to get you past the concrete, hammer a long (0,5 - 1m), sharpened iron or stainless pipe/bar through that hole and connect it with a copper wire to the outlet ground. There you go, instant earth for your outlet. Alternatively, a long screw in the wall may also provide some earthing, though much less effective - depending on the wall materials.
I believe earthing against the buildings rebar is quite common inside the Philippines. So i'd imagine some people might go that route also. I'm not too sure how effective it is long term with rust, corrosion and such like.
soupflood concrete, and hollow bricks won't do shit (majority of Brazilian houses are made like that) and believe it or not, a lot of houses doesn't even have ground wiring (but we still dying more from gun shots than electrical shock)
soupflood and let's say that, our security standards for electricity are lower than 0, you can have an exposed wire running through your entire house, if your kids can't touch it, no one will care
MrAkenatom whut.. to the contrary. all brazilians houses have ground. You wouldnt be able to put on a light otherwise. Just pull an additional wire from breakerbox to shower and connect it to the breakerbox it selfs. As easy as that. Andmany many houses these days have earth wiring too. In aparments its obligatory btw.. you dont know what your talking about
As someone who in a former job, used to regularly tie prisoners to metal bed frames, douse them with water, and then administer electric shocks, this product has my full endorsement
I guess this is not allowed in Europe, because I have never seen or heard about electric showers. There are just two pipes for hot and cold water, which are then mixed on the tap to get right temperature.
I'm from Brazil using this since I was a kid and it's safe if you install properly. About the "blow safety" wasn't for this, is for you connect that white hose that came with eletric shower...
If it was really a suicide shower, then people wouldn't use it. Because, I know this is hard to believe, people don't like dying. These things are very useful for things like deep wood cabins where you can't lug or maintain a boiler.
would rather use a wood powerd boiler then. Those are actually pretty easy to build. And most of those cabins dont have a power connection either i think. That means getting the 3kw/h you need for this is going to be a challenge too.
Thank you. I was looking for how to clean. In your video I seen that the bottom side unscrews buy the threads. Also I learned that the ground is to connect to the house not the ground in a three pronged plug, because that never worked for me. Again thanks for the
I used this to shower daily for three years in Costa Rica in the 70s. So did everyone else. I never heard any true stories of electrocution. But they certainly looked dangerous. You didn't want to stumble into the shower drunk. I'd sure like to have one for my van..
These were downright common in Ecuador when I lived there, even in hotels. Rarely did any building ever even have a functioning ground connection, so the ground wire was almost always useless at best, even if it was connected (Almost never.). I recall at one place, the DIY job had been wired only to a 110v outlet, rather than 220. So, you would have a hot shower for all of a minute or so, then the breaker in the kitchen would blow.
Oh dude, you just have no idea what you are talking about. We just use eletric showers in Brazil ‘cause it’s convenient, we don’t have a strong natural gas production and not even the necessity of hot water everyday, btw, our Hydroelectric Plant are the best of the world, so electricity is our way to live.
uhh move and get a job?? thats how my grandparents came from Cuba, and now we’re wealthy. they actually came on a canoe that they built out of wood and rode for days. you know, it’s never too late tbh.
Hey, bro! Hope you're good. Well I've been using this kind of shower all my life up to my 30 years. Taking around two showers everyday. This is a dammn amount of showers. But I can say I've never experienced shocks directly from the water, neither my family. But that's nice to see you guys testing our gadgets here from Brazil! See ya!
I was dating a college girl that just moved into the city I live here in Ecuador, and she had one of these things installed in the student accommodation unit were she had to live in. She was scared to death of it, and I couldn't blame her because I deadass thought I was going to die every time I used it. Besides the mere sight and clunky operation not being awful enough, the noise it makes while running really puts the fear of God in you.
